Legislature(1993 - 1994)
02/03/1994 01:00 PM House CRA
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HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS
STANDING COMMITTEE
February 3, 1994
1:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Harley Olberg, Chairman
Representative Con Bunde
Representative John Davies
Representative Cynthia Toohey
Representative Ed Willis
Representative Jerry Sanders, Vice Chair
Representative Bill Williams
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT
Senator George Jacko
Representative Pete Kott
MEMBERS ABSENT
None
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
SB 42: "An Act relating to municipal taxation
of alcoholic beverages."
CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD) PASSED FROM
COMMITTEE WITH A DO PASS RECOMMENDATION
*HB 322: "An Act relating to the regulation of
alcohol in state parks, recreation areas,
and historic sites."
PASSED FROM COMMITTEE WITH A DO PASS
RECOMMENDATION
HB 397: "An Act relating to the power to levy
property taxes in second class cities
and to combine a property tax and
incorporation question."
SSHB PASSED FROM COMMITTEE WITH A DO
PASS RECOMMENDATION
WITNESS REGISTER
SENATOR GEORGE JACKO
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol, Room 125
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
Phone: 465-4942
Position Statement: Sponsor of CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD)
JAMES L. FISK, JR.
Diamond Jim's
P.O. Box 2068
Kodiak, AK 99615
Phone: 486-7088
Position Statement: Opposed to CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD)
ALICE JOHNSTONE
213 Shotgun Alley
Sitka, AK 99835
Phone: 747-3931
Position Statement: Supports CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD)
GARRY LANGILLE, President
Kodiak Island Liquor License Association
512 Marine Way
Kodiak, AK 99615
Phone: 486-2700
Position Statement: Opposed to CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD)
TIM TROLL, City Administrator
City of Sand Point
1600 A Street, #103
Anchorage, AK 99501
Phone: 274-7555
Position Statement: Supported CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD)
KENT SWISHER, Executive Director
Alaska Municipal League
217 Second Street, Suite 200
Juneau, AK 99801
Phone: 586-1325
Position Statement: Supported CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD)
BRYCE EDGMON, Legislative Staff
Senator George Jacko
State Capitol, Room 125
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
Phone: 465-4942
Position Statement: Staff to Sponsor of CSSB 42 (CRA) AM
(EFD FLD)
REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol, Room 409
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182
Phone: 465-3777
Position Statement: Sponsor of HB 322
PETER PANARESE, Chief, Field Operations
Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation
Department of Natural Resources
P.O. Box 107001
Anchorage, AK 99510-7001
Phone: 762-2603
Position Statement: Supported HB 322
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: SB 42
SHORT TITLE: LOCAL SALES TAX ON ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S) JACKO
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/11/93 26 (S) PREFILE RELEASED 1/8/93
01/11/93 26 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME\REFERRAL(S)
01/11/93 26 (S) CRA, LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE
02/25/93 (S) CRA AT 9:00 AM BUTRVICH RM 205
02/25/93 (S) MINUTE(CRA)
03/02/93 (S) CRA AT 9:00 AM BUTRVICH RM 205
03/04/93 (S) MINUTE(CRA)
03/09/93 (S) CRA AT 9:00 AM BUTRVICH RM 205
03/09/93 (S) MINUTE(CRA)
03/10/93 706 (S) CRA RPT CS 1DP 3NR SAME TITLE
03/10/93 706 (S) ZERO FN TO SB & CS (DCRA)
03/16/93 (S) L&C AT 1:45 PM FAHRENKAMP
RM 203
03/16/93 (S) MINUTE(L&C)
03/16/93 (S) MINUTE(L&C)
03/18/93 844 (S) L&C RPT 5NR (CRA)CS
03/18/93 844 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (DCRA)
03/25/93 942 (S) FIN RPT 5DP (CRA)CS
03/25/93 942 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (DCRA)
03/25/93 (S) FIN AT 09:00 AM SENATE FIN 518
03/25/93 (S) MINUTE(FIN)
03/29/93 (S) MINUTE(RLS)
04/05/93 1104 (S) RULES 3CAL 1NR 4/5/93
04/05/93 1105 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME
04/05/93 1105 (S) CRA CS ADOPTED Y11 N9
04/05/93 1106 (S) AM NO 1 ADOPTED Y11 N9
04/05/93 1106 (S) COSPONSOR WITHDRAWN: LINCOLN
04/05/93 1106 (S) ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN
CONSENT
04/05/93 1106 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB 42(CRA)
AM
04/05/93 1107 (S) PASSED Y18 N2
04/05/93 1107 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE SAME AS PASSAGE
04/05/93 1107 (S) TAYLOR NOTICE OF RECON
04/06/93 1207 (S) RECON TAKEN UP-IN THIRD READING
04/06/93 1208 (S) HELD ON RECON TO 4/7/93
04/07/93 1253 (S) PASSED ON RECON Y11 N9
04/07/93 1254 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE FAILED Y12 N8
04/07/93 1259 (S) TRANSMITTED TO(H)CSSB42
(CRA)AM(EFDFLD)
04/08/93 1101 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
04/08/93 1101 (H) CRA, STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,
FINANCE
02/03/94 (H) CRA AT 01:00 PM CAPITOL 124
02/04/94 2253 (H) REFERRED TO STATE AFFAIRS
BILL: HB 322
SHORT TITLE: REGULATION OF ALCOHOL IN STATE PARKS
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) KOTT, Green
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/03/94 2011 (H) PREFILE RELEASED
01/10/94 2011 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
01/10/94 2011 (H) CRA, RESOURCES, HES
01/14/94 2083 (H) COSPONSOR(S): GREEN
02/03/94 (H) CRA AT 01:00 PM CAPITOL 124
BILL: HB 397
SHORT TITLE: TAXING POWER OF SECOND CLASS CITIES
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) OLBERG
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/26/94 2153 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
01/26/94 2153 (H) COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS,
FINANCE
02/01/94 (H) CRA AT 01:00 PM CAPITOL 124
02/01/94 (H) MINUTE(CRA)
02/02/94 2218 (H) SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE
INTRODUCED-REFERRALS
02/02/94 2218 (H) CRA, FINANCE
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 94-5, SIDE A
Number 001
CHAIRMAN HARLEY OLBERG called the meeting to order at 1:04
p.m. He noted for the record Representatives Willis, Toohey
and Sanders were present and noted that a quorum was
present.
SB 42 - LOCAL SALES TAX ON ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
SENATOR GEORGE JACKO, SPONSOR OF CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD),
read his Sponsor Statement aloud. (A copy of his Sponsor
Statement is on file.) He added, "It allows local
municipalities to have an election to decide whether or not
they want to tax alcohol at a higher level than they tax
other items in the communities. It is a local option
measure. The legislation does have the support of the
Alaska Municipal League, as well as the Southwest Alaska
Municipal Conference and the Department of Community and
Regional Affairs, also."
Number 074
JIM FISK, DIAMOND JIM'S, KODIAK, testified in opposition to
CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD) via teleconference saying, "We in
Kodiak, are already taxed six percent on our sale of alcohol
or any other goods up to $500 on each sale. Therefore, the
alcohol industry pays more than their share of taxes in this
community. We feel that if you were to give the
municipalities that authority, it would begin to change like
the wind... Let's leave it to the state, let's leave it to
the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board to manage it, and if
you want to impose a tax that's reasonable for everybody,
irregardless of the size of the municipality, please do so.
Do not, I say emphatically, do not, allow the municipalities
to manipulate water, sewer or alcohol."
Number 124
ALICE JOHNSTONE, SITKA, testified in favor of CSSB 42 (CRA)
AM(EFD FLD) via teleconference saying, "Alcohol's the number
one health problem in our state. The industry does not pay
the tax. This is a sales tax and people who use the
alcohol, you and I, and our neighbors will pay this tax."
GARRY LANGILLE, PRESIDENT, KODIAK ISLAND LIQUOR LICENSE
ASSOCIATION, testified via teleconference saying, "We
represent 24 businesses on the island...we employ over 350
people directly. We have been experiencing a general
decline in business over the last number of years in
consumption, which is in line with the national and state
average. We have at the same time faced large increases in
expenses and taxation and costs, such as liability
insurance, which have not been proportional to other
industries, and we certainly do not need more taxation. Our
first concern is that we believe that alcohol is a state
regulatory responsibility and should only be dealt with at
the state level. We will have the possibility of one
municipality adding an additional tax, another not. Also,
at the municipal level, we are already disproportional to
other businesses in taxation. We pay, for instance, $1250
for a liquor licensing fee..., $1150 comes back to the
municipality now. We also, here on Kodiak Island, have a
six percent sales tax which has a $500 cap. Many (of the
others) car dealerships, bulk fuel, etc. avoid much of that
taxation. We have to face the tax on all our sales. It
must be also pointed out that the tax has an effect on one
of the largest growth industry potentials in our State of
Alaska, which is tourism. My experience has been that a
person who has an alcoholic problem is more affected by
education and peer pressure than cost... medical cost on
society, etc. are held in our laps. It's easier to find
that it's someone else's responsibility or someone else's
cost or someone else's fault, not our own. We all know the
medical costs of obesity and high blood pressure. Where is
the thought of taxation on sugar, salt and coffee... Let's
face up and take our own responsibilities for our own
actions..."
Number 237
TIM TROLL, CITY ADMINISTRATOR, CITY OF SAND POINT, testified
via teleconference, in favor of CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EDF FLD)
saying, "We have two bars in Sand Point and one liquor
store, and we have found that probably a disproportionate
number of our police calls, emergency medical calls are all
directly related to alcohol. Right now we do levy a two
percent sales tax, generally across the board, but I think
we would like to have the option available to us as a local
community to actually tax the substance that does seem to
cause most of our public safety problems. This would really
not so much be a tax on alcohol...certainly, if the
community is voting in favor of this, they are voting
basically to tax themselves at a higher rate for alcohol.
...those people in the industry who are concerned...about
whether it's a fair or not fair tax will have their
opportunity to make that point in any sort of referendum on
the sales tax issue."
Number 348
KENT SWISHER, ALASKA MUNICIPAL LEAGUE testified in support
of CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EDF FLD) saying, "It is a viable revenue
source. It is appropriately linked to what is one of the
larger probable causes of problems and larger causes of
police services..."
CHAIRMAN OLBERG noted that Representative Davies joined the
meeting at 1:16 p.m. and Representative Bunde joined the
meeting at 1:17 p.m.
REPRESENTATIVE CYNTHIA TOOHEY asked, "Is it normal for
municipalities to dedicate a tax to a specific (purpose)?"
MR. SWISHER replied, "Normally, these would be regarded as a
general fund revenue source and would not be committed to a
specific function within the general fund, such as police
service or something of that nature. However, we're simply
aware of the utilization of services stemming from alcohol
consumption..."
Number 374
REPRESENTATIVE TOOHEY continued, "Are there other
municipalities that have imposed a higher tax on alcohol?"
MR. SWISHER said, "There are, to the best of my
recollection, some 18 Alaska municipalities that levy a
local sales tax now, while they don't differentiate between
alcohol and other products. Each of them does define it's
own base, to what shall the tax apply...so to that extent,
that kind of judgment has been made."
CHAIRMAN OLBERG noted that Representative Williams had
joined the meeting at 1:25 p.m.
Number 412
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN DAVIES asked, "Can you show me how a
vote of the people is required?"
BRYCE EDGMON, LEGISLATIVE STAFF, SENATOR GEORGE JACKO,
testified saying, "I've worked with the bill drafter on
this, Mr. Ford from Legal Services, and that is a question
that hasn't been proposed before, but he assures me that
will occur before this would have to be implemented. But
that is an obvious question that has never been posed
before."
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES said, "I'm presuming that it must
somehow be in some other portion of statute."
MR. EDGMON offered to retrieve that information.
Number 436
REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS asked, "Do I understand that
this could possibly apply to the municipality of Anchorage?"
MR. EDGMON said yes and, "We had amended the bill last year
in committee to apply to only communities under 2,500. It
got amended on the floor of the Senate to include all
communities."
REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS continued, "I think it's a lot better
for these smaller communities, the ones I know of, to vote
themselves dry, and I would think in a vote to go dry, this
would force some of the people in order to get the money for
the community to vote to keep it wet."
SENATOR JACKO said, "Having lived in small communities all
my life, I really couldn't conceive of that happening. It
just doesn't seem like a likely scenario to me, but to the
extent that local communities do have the ability to tax
alcohol right now, this would allow it at a higher sales
rate. You may be able to have a say, two percent higher
sales tax on alcohol if this bill would pass. If you
didn't, you could still raise five percent, or whatever, if
you raised everything."
CHAIRMAN OLBERG pointed out, "You could in theory raise
everything and exempt food. There are all kinds of
different things you can do. ...dry is good, but dry
doesn't happen."
Number 474
REPRESENTATIVE ED WILLIS asked, "What municipalities are
allowed to do this. Are we saying any one of them can?"
CHAIRMAN OLBERG said any.
REPRESENTATIVE WILLIS continued, "Would this tend to
override home rule charters?"
CHAIRMAN OLBERG said, "I don't believe it would. There's a
provision for a sales tax and this simply liberalizes that
provision, is my observation."
MR. EDGMON said, "A broad definition of municipality would
encompass a home rule community or borough."
Number 489
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES said, "I support the observation. I
think that this is framed under the work `may' and not
`shall' and so it's left up to the discretion of each
community to decide whether or not they want to do this.
Presumably if we get the statement back that it requires a
vote of the folks to approve that. So it just allows the
municipalities the flexibility."
Number 500
MR. EDGMON said, "I just talked to the bill drafter and he
assured me that the provision was inherent in Title 29 and
it wouldn't appear in the bill itself...AS 29.45.560."
Number 513
REPRESENTATIVE BILL WILLIAMS moved that CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD
FLD) pass out of committee with individual recommendations.
REPRESENTATIVE TOOHEY objected for the purposes of
discussion and said, "I support this bill as long as we have
that satisfied, because I agree with you that the
municipalities should have the right to do it, but I also
agree that people in that community proceed the municipality
and they should have more right than their municipalities,
as the state should have less right than the municipalities.
As long as that is satisfied, that it is done by a vote by
the people in that community and not by a municipality, then
I support this bill," and withdrew her objection.
CHAIRMAN OLBERG then stated that with the objection removed,
CSSB 42 (CRA) AM(EFD FLD) moved out of committee without
objection. HB 322 was brought forth before the committee.
HB 322 - REGULATION OF ALCOHOL IN STATE PARKS
Number 534
REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT, SPONSOR OF HB 322, testified
saying, "What this bill is intended on doing is to direct
the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) to evaluate
whether or not the use of possession of alcohol in a state
park or a public facility, such as a historic site is
compatible with public peace, health and safety of the
occupants that are also at that park. We're really not
doing very much. Right now the department has the authority
via regulations and has in fact, exercised that authority
from time to time." He then referred the committee to AS
29.05.
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT continued, "Whereby the department has
in fact, prohibited the use of alcohol in several locations
actually... So this bill is not a prohibition bill. Site
by site specific, they will evaluate the individual parks
and historic sites and make a determination. We're asking
them to make that determination within a year. It is a very
simple bill. We're only codifying and firming up, what I
believe the department already has, by regulation and
statute. In essence, by amending AS 41.21, we are giving
them a little more direction and narrowing the scope of
things now."
CHAIRMAN OLBERG asked if he had been addressing the CS or
the original bill.
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT said, "There was a last minute
submission by the department and we included one of the
items that we completely agreed with. I think that was more
of an oversight than anything else. In the original bill,
we used just the term alcohol. The point is, we are trying
to limit...to alcoholic beverage use...we changed the title
to reflect that as well."
There was a small discussion as to the statutory definition
of alcoholic beverages.
PETER PANARESE, CHIEF, FIELD OPERATIONS, DIVISION OF PARKS
AND OUTDOOR RECREATION, DIVISION OF NATURAL RESOURCES,
testified via teleconference in favor of HB 322. His
testimony is difficult to discern on tape. (A copy of his
written testimony is on file.)
REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS said, "I support Representative
Kott's intent with this bill...my only problem...where it
says use or possession. In a park if I have a six pack of
beer in my motor home in the refrigerator, am I guilty of
possession? ...where's it limited?"
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT said, "My intent is not to limit to
those circumstances the possession of alcohol. If you drive
into a state park parking lot in a motor home and you have a
bottle of alcohol in your vehicle - this is not the intent,
to try and intrude into your vehicle to acquire the alcohol
and determine that you're in violation."
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE asked, "Do you not have the enforcement
ability at this time if someone is using alcohol illegally
that you could arrest them?"
MR. PANARESE said, "At this time, many areas of the state
parks, people who use beer and drink in conjunction with
other recreation activities in areas where there's not
prohibition, the situation becomes difficult for us when the
person is involved in a group activity and there are
alcoholic beverages everywhere and the party is beginning.
At that point, we have no ability to intervene. We can't
arrest unless we have the scene created."
Number 672
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE said, "What it sounds like is they're
asking for the right of prior restraint. `You look
suspicious, you look like you might become a drunk, so we're
going to run you off.' I'm sorry, but you're asking to put
something in state statute here that is going to be
interpreted by a lot of different people, and I'm a little
concerned that parks people have a little too much power to
limit the people's use of their parks now."
REPRESENTATIVE TOOHEY asked, "This is only within state
parks?"
MR. PANARESE said, "...limited to the Alaska State Park
system."
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES said, "I'm considering offering an
amendment that would insert the word `public' in front of
`possession' everywhere," and directed his question towards
Mr. Panarese.
MR. PANARESE said that amendment would be "acceptable".
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES said, "I would offer this as an
amendment then. That everywhere in this bill where it says
`use' or `possession' to insert the word `public' prior."
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT consented to the proposed amendment.
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Number 000
REPRESENTATIVE TOOHEY asked, "Are there sites or areas
within the parks that will allow for a wedding or some type
of festivities where you would permit liquor day use."
MR. PANARESE said, "That is a common request of state parks
and it's one that we accommodate. The wedding party can get
a permit from us..."
REPRESENTATIVE TOOHEY continued, "So this will not impact
that..."
MR. PANARESE said, "It's something we can manage and have
done for a few years in a reasonable way."
Number 028
REPRESENTATIVE BILL WILLIAMS said, "I feel like we're
getting more regulations in here and I don't know if it's
really needed. I think the State of Alaska is overregulated
now as it is."
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT said, "I believe there is quite a bit of
problem in state parks and historic site recreational areas.
It may not be so much in the rural areas, but we have a
tremendous problem around the Anchorage area...Big Lake
area. There's a lot of vandalism that is done and primarily
we're looking at people who are abusing alcohol and what
they would consider just having a good time, but it's
causing a lot of damage to the parks and services."
MR. PANARESE rendered some of his experiences as a ranger
with park visitors under the influence of alcohol. He
stressed, "The majority of our park visitors don't have a
problem with this. It's a tool for us to use to control the
behavior of people who are coming to us for the simple
purpose of having a large, uncontrolled party with alcohol
right in the middle of it. If we can prohibit that use, we
go a long way of stopping trouble before it starts."
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES concurred, "I've had complaints called
into my office about misuse of parks that relate to alcohol
abuse in the Fairbanks area, and I've also personally
witnessed a number of situations that I would consider
abusive of the `peace'. So I support this as the park
rangers having the tools to deal with it."
CHAIRMAN OLBERG acknowledged the points brought forth by
Representatives Bunde, Williams and Davies.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE acknowledged the vandalism and drunken
driving but cautioned, "Now you're going to have some part
time park ranger who's going to be walking among these
people deciding which ones will potentially be drunks and
should then be run off...and which ones are a group of folks
that are going to sit down and have a picnic and drink a
six-pack... We are innocent until proven guilty."
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT said, "We hardly have the numbers out
there, rangers, to do just that. Only two are parks, the
rest are what I would consider historical sites. There's a
lot of historical value there...there may be some value to
placing those off limits to the use of alcohol."
CHAIRMAN OLBERG called a brief at ease at 1:59 p.m. The
meeting continued at 2:02 p.m.
Number 179
REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS moved that the committee substitute
be adopted. There were no objections.
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES moved to amend the committee
substitute for HB 322 "by inserting the word `public' in
front of `possession' everywhere the phrase `use or
possession' appears in this bill."
There were no objections.
REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS moved that the committee substitute
for HB 322 as amended be passed from committee with
individual recommendations.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE objected. A role call vote was taken.
Representative Bunde and Williams voted not to move the
amended CSHB 322 out of committee with individual
recommendations. Representatives Sanders, Davies, Toohey,
Willis and Olberg voted to move the amended CSHB 322 out of
committee.
HB 397 - TAXING POWER OF SECOND CLASS CITIES
CHAIRMAN OLBERG brought forth SSHB 397 and announced that
this sponsor substitute had been read across the floor on
February 2, 1994, since the last time this bill had been
before the committee.
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES moved that the original bill be
brought before the committee as a committee substitute
because "in the original bill, there is a requirement for a
public vote and I would support the bill if that remained in
there."
CHAIRMAN OLBERG objected.
REPRESENTATIVE WILLIS said, "I concur with Representative
Davies' conclusion. I do support the motion before us...to
allow the people a chance to vote on it. We're talking
about second class cities. As the years go by, the
differences between the first and second class cities are
beginning to narrow. There's very few differences...and I
think one of the strong points for a lot of people that
voted to have municipalities implemented, one of the strong
reasons they vote for it, is the fact they still feel they
have control over the taxation process. And that is by a
vote of the people."
Number 328
The role was taken on Representative Davies' motion to adopt
the original bill as the committee substitute in lieu of the
sponsor substitute. Representatives Toohey, Davies, Willis
voted yes on the motion. Representatives Bunde, Sanders,
Williams, Olberg voted no on the motion. Then
Representative Toohey changed her vote. The sponsor
substitute remained the bill before the committee.
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES said, "I would just note that this is
not a requirement under cities right now, but it is a
requirement at this point in time for boroughs...a new sales
tax, use tax or increase in the rate of levy of sales tax
does not take effect unless ratified by the majority of
voters. So this principle does apply in general to
boroughs, but apparently not in cities."
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE moved that the sponsor substitute for
HB 397 be moved from committee with individual
recommendations.
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES objected to the motion.
A role call was taken. Representatives Williams, Sanders,
Toohey, Bunde and Olberg voted yes. Representatives Willis
and Davies voted no. The motion passed.
CHAIRMAN OLBERG adjourned the meeting at 2:19 p.m.
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