Legislature(2019 - 2020)BARNES 124

04/30/2019 08:00 AM COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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08:04:09 AM Start
08:05:02 AM HB128
08:54:59 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         April 30, 2019                                                                                         
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Harriet Drummond, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Sara Hannan, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                      
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Representative Sharon Jackson                                                                                                   
Representative Josh Revak                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 128                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to national board certification for public                                                                     
school teachers."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 128                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: TEACHERS: NATIONAL BOARD CERTIFICATION                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KREISS-TOMKINS                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
04/09/19       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
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04/17/19       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/17/19       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
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04/22/19       (H)       EDC RPT 2DP 3NR                                                                                        
04/22/19       (H)       DP: STORY, DRUMMOND                                                                                    
04/22/19       (H)       NR: JOHNSON, REVAK, ZULKOSKY                                                                           
04/22/19       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/22/19       (H)       Moved HB 128 Out of Committee                                                                          
04/22/19       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/30/19       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SCANLON, Staff                                                                                                             
Representative Jonathon Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information  on HB 128 on behalf of                                                             
Representative Kreiss-Tomkins, prime sponsor.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SONDRA MEREDITH, Administrator                                                                                                  
Teacher Certification                                                                                                           
Student Learning Division                                                                                                       
Department of Education & Early Development (DEED)                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:   Responded  to questions during  the hearing                                                             
on HB 128.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:04:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HARRIET   DRUMMOND  called  the  House   Community  and                                                             
Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee  meeting to  order at  8:04                                                               
a.m.   Representatives Revak, Jackson,  Thompson, Kreiss-Tomkins,                                                               
Hannan,  and  Drummond  were  present   at  the  call  to  order.                                                               
Representative Claman arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         HB 128-TEACHERS: NATIONAL BOARD CERTIFICATION                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:05:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  announced that  the  only  order of  business                                                               
would be HOUSE  BILL NO. 128, "An Act relating  to national board                                                               
certification for public school teachers."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:05:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS, as  prime  sponsor, presented  HB                                                               
128.  He said  the proposed bill would do two  things:  First, it                                                               
would promote national board certification  as a gold standard in                                                               
the teaching  profession by  publicly recognizing  National Board                                                               
Certified  Teachers  (NBCTs)  in  schools.   This  is  a  concept                                                               
developed in  partnership with the  Association of  Alaska School                                                               
Boards (AASB), the Alaska  Superintendents Association (ASA), and                                                               
the National Education Association (NEA).   It would also set the                                                               
goal that 4 percent of public  school teachers in Alaska would be                                                               
board certified by 2025.  Presently  that number is a little over                                                               
2 percent.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:07:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JACKSON  asked  how the  organizations  named  by                                                               
Representative Kreiss-Tomkins would benefit from HB 128.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  clarified  that the  people  that                                                               
would benefit from  the focus on excellence in  teaching would be                                                               
the students in Alaska's schools.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JACKSON said  she  believes  "we" highly  respect                                                               
education and  teachers, and she  asked the sponsor if  he thinks                                                               
HB 128 would "give them more respect."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS said  he  thinks a  lot of  people                                                               
respect teachers,  and HB 128  would recognize teachers  that are                                                               
nationally board certified.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JACKSON asked  whether  the proposed  legislation                                                               
would make it  easier for national board  certified teachers from                                                               
the Lower 48 to integrate into Alaska's education system.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS answered  that he  does not  think                                                               
the proposed legislation  would have any impact  on "teachers not                                                               
from Alaska moving to Alaska."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JACKSON  emphasized  the phrase  "national  board                                                               
certification,"  then asked,    "So, is  this  something that  is                                                               
happening  outside of  Alaska and  now  it's time  for Alaska  to                                                               
catch up?"   In response to the bill sponsor,  she expressed that                                                               
she is unfamiliar with national board certification.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  explained   that  national  board                                                               
certification is  a third-party entity based  in Washington, D.C.                                                               
Teachers in  any state in the  nation can go through  the board's                                                               
"highly  rigorous,  lengthy,  [and]  also  financially  intensive                                                               
process to become board certified."   He said a lot of data shows                                                               
that  board certified  teachers  are remarkable  educators.   The                                                               
process  of  getting  certified  shows  that  "somebody's  really                                                               
serious about  what they're  doing" and  has "a  lot of  pride in                                                               
their  profession [and]  their craft."    He added,  "Not to  say                                                               
teachers  that  are not  nationally  board  certified don't  have                                                               
those  things,  but  ...  for   those  that  do,  it's  generally                                                               
something that's notable or remarkable."   He said national board                                                               
certification  is accepted  from  state  to state  but  is not  a                                                               
"force  of law";  it is  a  private credential,  not "a  publicly                                                               
administered" one.   He indicated  that the  proposed legislation                                                               
would not affect national board certification.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:13:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON asked why HB 128 is needed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  said he  has long  been interested                                                               
in  finding ways  to  promote  public education  in  Alaska.   He                                                               
stated,  "The  data is  overwhelming:    the  number one  way  to                                                               
improve  outcomes  in  education  in Alaska  is  to  have  really                                                               
remarkable teachers in every classroom."   The question, then, is                                                               
how  to make  that  happen.   He talked  about  the challenge  of                                                               
creating a  "halo" around  the education  profession and  how, in                                                               
Finland, it is highly competitive  to get a teaching job, because                                                               
that society  views the  vocation as  important.   He said  he is                                                               
thinking about  ways to  recognize people who  are good  at being                                                               
teachers, and  national board certification  is one  mechanism by                                                               
which to do so.   Representative Kreiss-Tomkins said things won't                                                               
fall  apart  without  HB  128,  but  it  would  help  "with  that                                                               
recognition."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:15:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND invited  John  Scanlon to  describe the  board                                                               
certification process.   She noted that  HB 128 was heard  in the                                                               
House   Education   Standing   Committee,  on   which   she   and                                                               
Representative Revak sit, and she  expressed excitement about the                                                               
promise of HB 128.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:15:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SCANLON,  Staff,  Representative  Jonathon  Kreiss-Tomkins,                                                               
Alaska  State Legislature,  on behalf  of Representative  Kreiss-                                                               
Tomkins,  prime  sponsor  of HB  128,  described  national  board                                                               
certification as "a rigorous and valuable and exciting post-                                                                    
licensure certification that one  would voluntarily undertake the                                                               
pursuit  of."     He  said   it  is  "an   intensive,  reflective                                                               
examination of  one's own work"  that has been championed  by NEA                                                               
at  the national  and  state  levels.   He  said  there are  four                                                               
components to the process, including  an in-person exam.  He said                                                               
a person seeking certification may  record themselves teaching in                                                               
the classroom, with  a mentor to help identify  how the teacher's                                                               
classroom  practices and  environment  could be  improved.   Data                                                               
suggests the  outcome of  this process is  compelling.   Not only                                                               
are  student outcomes  better within  a national  board certified                                                               
teacher's  classroom, but  recruitment and  retention tend  to be                                                               
higher among  board certified teachers.   Further, those teachers                                                               
tend to  serve as leaders  within their schools  and communities.                                                               
He  said this  certification  adds  value to  the  school and  is                                                               
something "to uplift."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:17:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JACKSON  asked  if  HB 128  would  motivate  more                                                               
teachers to pursue this national certification.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCANLON answered  that he thinks that certainly  could be one                                                               
outcome.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:18:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  concurred with the comment  of Mr.                                                               
Scanlon.  He mentioned the  visibility of board certification and                                                               
explained  that  during his  own  education,  he heard  about  it                                                               
perhaps once or twice, and only  because he was "a super geek and                                                               
cared about education policy and ...  bothered to ... look up the                                                               
state database  on national board  certification."  He  said most                                                               
school  districts in  Alaska have  "a handful  of national  board                                                               
certified teachers,"  and having that recognition  highlighted in                                                               
schools  could have  "a positive  secondary  effect of  promoting                                                               
more people to pursue it."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JACKSON said  she  has been  involved in  teacher                                                               
recognition events  for the  last four  years, and  she indicated                                                               
that there  is recognition and  competition in the process.   She                                                               
said she was trying "to see  how this stood apart ... from that,"                                                               
and  she expressed  appreciation  for  the explanations  received                                                               
[from the bill sponsor and staff].                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:20:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON, regarding the  250-400 hours it takes to                                                               
become board certified,  asked how many teachers  would miss work                                                               
in order to get certified.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCANLON replied that that time  is an estimate, and a teacher                                                               
would pursue  the certification  on his/her own  time.   He noted                                                               
that the certification can be  completed in a year, but educators                                                               
have five years in which to  complete it.  In response to follow-                                                               
up  questions from  Representative Thompson,  he confirmed  there                                                               
are four components  to the certification process,  it would cost                                                               
a total of  approximately $1,900, and that cost would  be paid by                                                               
the teacher.   He offered  his understanding that  some districts                                                               
may  have  incentives,  but  admitted   "that  is  a  significant                                                               
barrier."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:22:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS, in  response to  a question  from                                                               
Representative  Thompson,  said  in   most  districts  in  Alaska                                                               
teachers with  the certification do  not earn more, but  in other                                                               
districts, those  teachers see "a  pay bump."  He  mentioned that                                                               
some other  states have made  the policy decision to  cover board                                                               
certification  application  costs,  because   they  think  it  is                                                               
important.     Alternatively,  those  states  may   offer  a  pay                                                               
incentive.   He said he  would gladly  include such a  benefit in                                                               
the  bill if  Alaska  were  not working  under  a budget  deficit                                                               
currently.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMPSON  noted  that according  to  both  Forbes                                                               
WalletHub  and the  National Assessment  of Educational  Progress                                                               
(NAEP),  Massachusetts ranks  number one  in education  yet ranks                                                               
forty-second among  states for  the number  of teachers  that are                                                               
board  certified.   Further, Forbes  WalletHub  ranks New  Jersey                                                               
number  two  for excellence  in  education,  while the  state  is                                                               
ranked  fiftieth  in  terms of  certification  of  its  teachers.                                                               
Conversely, North  Carolina is  ranked on top  in terms  of board                                                               
certified teachers  but ranks  thirty-second in  Forbes WalletHub                                                               
in terms of educational stance.   Representative Thompson offered                                                               
more statistics,  including Alaska ranking twenty-sixth  in board                                                               
certified teachers  and forty-eighth  and fifty-first  in quality                                                               
of  education on  Forbes WalletHub  and NAEP,  respectively.   He                                                               
questioned what HB  128 would do for Alaska when  there are other                                                               
problems facing the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:25:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS   responded  that  the   issue  of                                                               
improving  public education  is complex,  including consideration                                                               
such as  funding and  the socio-economic  status of  students and                                                               
the  state.   He  stated  the assumption  under  HB  128 is  that                                                               
national  board certification  is "a  good  thing."   He said  he                                                               
hopes  committee members  would  arrive at  the same  conclusion.                                                               
With that  assumption, the proposed  legislation would  promote a                                                               
culture of constant growth and  improvement.  He indicated that a                                                               
bill  that is  "seven  lines  long" would  not  turn Alaska  into                                                               
Massachusetts [in terms of rankings].                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON  asked if having more  certified teachers                                                               
would help or hinder retention.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:27:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCANLON  said the  research he has  seen shows  that teachers                                                               
tend to stay longer in  schools after voluntarily having taken on                                                               
the process [to  become certified].  He said there  is a study in                                                               
the  committee packet  that shows  that there  has been  a better                                                               
outcome  in Mississippi's  public  schools with  the increase  of                                                               
certified teachers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON  clarified that  he was not  asking these                                                               
questions in  opposition to  bill, just to  get information.   He                                                               
commented that Alaska  ranks low in its education  system, and he                                                               
would like to see improvement  but questions whether HB 128 would                                                               
be "an  improvement" or "be  a burden to  get 1,900 bucks  out of                                                               
teachers to get them certified."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:29:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  pointed out that the  House Education Standing                                                               
Committee  last  week  and  yesterday  heard  from  Mark  Foster,                                                               
formerly of the Anchorage School  Board, that Alaska actually has                                                               
more  growth within  the fourth-grade  and eighth-grade  National                                                               
Assessment  of Educational  Progress (NAEP)  testing than  almost                                                               
any other  state.  She  said consideration  is being given  as to                                                               
how to get  the word out to entities such  as Forbes, which "just                                                               
look  at raw  test  scores."   She  said  there  are many  people                                                               
working to improve the numbers and the results are showing.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMPSON asked  again whether  this certification                                                               
would help.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  said she thinks  it might.  She  remarked that                                                               
it  is  voluntary  -  "a  self-driven  pursuit  that  the  school                                                               
district"  does   not require,  but to  which attention  is paid.                                                               
She said the concern is  that Washington State is paying teachers                                                               
up  to $10,000  annually, on  top of  their regular  salaries, to                                                               
keep them in  "high economic needs schools."  She  said Alaska is                                                               
"losing teachers  to this"  and [HB  128] is  "the first  step in                                                               
recognizing  highly qualified  teachers and  helping ...  to keep                                                               
them here."   She said she didn't think the  fiscal note would be                                                               
large,  because   currently  Alaska   does  no  have   that  many                                                               
nationally   board  certified   teachers.      She  said   making                                                               
improvements to teachers' salaries  would encourage them to stay.                                                               
She added,  "But since  we don't  do that  on a  statewide basis,                                                               
that's kind of tricky to figure out."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:31:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JACKSON recognized  both co-chairs  are from  the                                                               
education community, and she  thanked Representative Thompson for                                                               
sharing  the statistics.   She  asked whether  the bill  would be                                                               
laying foundation "that  we're not yet seeing here"  or whether a                                                               
law would  require nationally certified  teachers get  paid more.                                                               
She said she  takes [the creation of laws] seriously.   She asked                                                               
whether Co-Chair  Drummond is confident  that making a  law "will                                                               
increase that recognition" [of teachers].                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  answered, "Not necessarily, but  I don't think                                                               
we're  at that  stage  in  the discussion."    She noted  invited                                                               
testimony waiting in the wings.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:33:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REVAK  said  he  would  like  to  know  from  the                                                               
testifiers  why  more  teachers don't  seek  the  national  board                                                               
certification currently.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:33:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SONDRA  MEREDITH, Administrator,  Teacher Certification,  Student                                                               
Learning Division,  Department of  Education &  Early Development                                                               
(DEED) told  Representative Revak  that the reason  more teachers                                                               
have not undergone the certification has  to do with the time and                                                               
cost involved.  Additionally, she  said in rural schools there is                                                               
no  incentive for  teachers to  get that  certification; teachers                                                               
are getting  the certification in  urban areas that  are offering                                                               
incentives.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REVAK  asked whether  the certification  is viewed                                                               
as prestigious or is seen as socially advantageous.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEREDITH answered  that she considers there is  an element of                                                               
prestige.   Those with the  certification are seen as  leaders in                                                               
their schools and districts.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REVAK  asked Ms.  Meredith for  her opinion  on HB                                                               
128 and the impacts it might have.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEREDITH  answered that any measures  recognizing individuals                                                               
who  have   gained  additional   skills  beyond   their  standard                                                               
certificate is  "a good thing,"  and HB 128 provides  a mechanism                                                               
for that.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HANNAN  asked  for   statistics  showing  those  school                                                               
districts that  have offered teachers remuneration  for attaining                                                               
their national board certification.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:36:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCANLON said  he  does  not have  that  information, and  he                                                               
offered  his   understanding  that   DEED  does  not   have  that                                                               
information either.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  suggested "one of  the stakeholder                                                               
organizations" may  have that information,  and he said  he could                                                               
check.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:37:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HANNAN said  having been a teacher and  having looked at                                                               
national board certification, she  knows that many districts talk                                                               
about giving  economic incentive for certified  teachers in order                                                               
to  maintain teacher  retention.   She indicated  there has  been                                                               
some competition with  the State of Washington,  which, she said,                                                               
pays  incentive money  to certified  teachers.   She said  it was                                                               
apparent that when  [a teacher] pursued the  two-year process and                                                               
invested  a  couple  thousand dollars  that  he/she  was  looking                                                               
either to move  to another state that gave  an economic incentive                                                               
or join  the international  teaching community.   To  the subject                                                               
broached by  Representative Thompson,  she said Alaska  has found                                                               
that the certification does not  actually retain teachers because                                                               
there  is no  economic  renumeration  in place.    She said  when                                                               
national board certification started,  organizations, such as the                                                               
National Education Association of  Alaska (NEA-Alaska) got grants                                                               
to  hold  intensive  summer  workshops   and  set  up  the  video                                                               
equipment and  adjudicators, but  NEA Alaska's  grant was  "a few                                                               
hundred dollars to assist you  in achieving that component."  She                                                               
indicated that  a fee of  $2,000 goes "just to  the organization"                                                               
and does not account for the  time and money invested "to produce                                                               
the components to  be judged."  She also noted  that the teachers                                                               
trying for the  certification had to submit  evaluations of their                                                               
own work.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HANNAN  told  Representative  Kreiss-Tomkins  that  she                                                               
wanted to know  which districts were offering  the incentives and                                                               
what the correlation is between  those teachers who have achieved                                                               
the  national board  certification and  the length  of time  they                                                               
stay in  the school district.   She  then asked the  bill sponsor                                                               
whether he  had considered  offering a  resolution rather  than a                                                               
bill.   She pointed to  bill language  that suggested a  "goal of                                                               
the legislature" [in Section 1,  subsection (c), page 1, line 6],                                                               
and she asked if the  sponsor had any indication from Legislative                                                               
Legal and  Research Services  that that  might be  problematic in                                                               
bill form and better suited as a resolution.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:40:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  agreed  regarding  the  value  of                                                               
finding  out  which   districts  offer  remuneration  incentives.                                                               
Anecdotally, he noted that the  board certified teachers in Sitka                                                               
he knows  all had long careers  in the district.   He suggested a                                                               
larger question  is how the  state wants to recognize  and incent                                                               
teachers.  He  said his focus when having HB  128 drafted was "to                                                               
find some good, proactive idea  that works within the constraints                                                               
of ... a  zero fiscal note."  He talked  about a perfect scenario                                                               
wherein Alaska could prevent  Washington from "poaching" teachers                                                               
by offering incentives of its own.   As a bigger problem, he said                                                               
Alaska's lack  of competitiveness is  something he would  like to                                                               
see the state fix.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS,  to the  second point made  by Co-                                                               
Chair Hannan,  said "the real meat"  of HB 128 is  found in lines                                                               
4-5, which read:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               (b)  A  public  school  shall  display  in  a                                                                    
     prominent  location  the  name   of  each  teacher  who                                                                    
     teaches at that school  who has achieved national board                                                                    
     certification.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS   said  that  is  the   part  that                                                               
ultimately will  have the most  value.   He said a  resolution in                                                               
terms of  [subsection] (c) "could  make sense,"  but [subsection]                                                               
(b) was the genesis  of the bill.  He deferred  to Mr. Scanlon to                                                               
discuss any memorandum that may  have come from Legislative Legal                                                               
and Research Services.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:44:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCANLON offered his understanding  that Legislative Legal and                                                               
Research  Services  felt  comfortable  with  the  bill  upon  the                                                               
addition of  Section 2 of the  bill, which would repeal  the goal                                                               
language on July 1, 2026.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:44:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HANNAN  said generally the legislature  gives directives                                                               
to  school  districts,  but  HB  128 is  giving  a  directive  to                                                               
individual schools.  She asked  if Legislative Legal and Research                                                               
Services had addressed  that topic.  She said,  for example, that                                                               
a  new principal  may  not  realize that  three  of the  school's                                                               
science teachers  are going for  their certification,  and he/she                                                               
may  fail to  prominently display  the  name of  the teachers  as                                                               
would be  required by law under  HB 128.  She  suggested that the                                                               
districts  be the  ones to  keep  those records  and that  school                                                               
boards give the accolades.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:46:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS,   returning  first   to  Co-Chair                                                               
Hannan's previous question about  bill versus resolution, said he                                                               
thinks it is  a nonissue.  He said he  thinks the legislature has                                                               
a goal in  terms of renewable energy in law  and it is nonbinding                                                               
and aspirational.   Other  examples he gave  were naming  days of                                                               
the  year for  certain  people or  events.   To  the question  of                                                               
districts versus schools,  he talked about the idea  of having "a                                                               
day-to-day  visibility  in  the  school" as  opposed  to  via  an                                                               
administrative entity.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HANNAN  asked if  the bill  sponsor was  envisioning any                                                               
punitive measures.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS answered  that there  would be  no                                                               
punitive  measures.   He characterized  this issue  as "proactive                                                               
and  intrinsically  motivated."    He   said  under  HB  128  the                                                               
legislature would be codifying the  goal that is supported by the                                                               
educational entities previously listed.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:50:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON thanked Co-Chair  Hannan for bringing the                                                               
issue up.   He said  he never likes  to see unfunded  mandates in                                                               
bills involving schools.  He said  he doesn't have a problem with                                                               
putting up the  names of the certified  teachers for recognition,                                                               
but emphasized the  use of the word "shall" in  the direction for                                                               
schools  to display  those names.   [Referring  to line  9 of  HB                                                               
128], he  asked if the  National Board for  Professional Teaching                                                               
Standards is the  entity that makes money off  teachers paying to                                                               
get  certified and  whether they  are a  nonprofit or  for-profit                                                               
organization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:51:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  said  he has  the  same  reaction                                                               
regarding   unfunded  mandates   on  school   districts,  so   he                                                               
appreciates the  sentiment expressed by  Representative Thompson.                                                               
He  emphasized  working  with educational  entities  to  crafting                                                               
legislation that will be affirmative  and well-received.  He said                                                               
what is  being asked  of school  under HB 128  is "a  pretty easy                                                               
thing to do,"  which "mitigated concern."  To the  second part of                                                               
Representative   Thompson's  question,   he  said   the  national                                                               
organization is a nonprofit entity.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:53:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND opened  public  testimony on  HB  128.   After                                                               
ascertaining that  there was no  one else who wished  to testify,                                                               
she closed public testimony.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:53:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND announced that HB 128 was held over.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:54:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON  asked a question concerning  the sense of                                                               
the house and when that might be brought before the committee.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:54:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND said she and  Co-Chair Hannan would discuss the                                                               
issue and let committee members know.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:54:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Community  and Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee meeting  was                                                               
adjourned at 8:55 a.m.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB128 ver A 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128
HB 128 Sponsor Statement 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128
HB128 Fiscal Note EED-TC 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128
HB128 Background Document-Response to H EDC Committee questions 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128
HB128 Background Document-DEED Quick Facts 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128
HB128 Background Document-NBPTS Alaska Statistics 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128
HB128 Supporting Document-The Impact of National Board Certified Teachers study 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128
HB128 Supporting Document-Letters of Support 4.23.19.pdf HCRA 4/30/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 128