Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

04/22/2021 06:00 PM STATE AFFAIRS

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06:04:51 PM Start
06:07:56 PM SB39
08:07:09 PM Adjourn
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Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
Uniform Rule 23 Waived
        SB  39-BALLOT CUSTODY/TAMPERING; VOTER REG; MAIL                                                                    
6:07:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 39                                                               
"An Act  relating to elections;  relating to  voter registration;                                                               
relating to ballots  and a system of tracking  and accounting for                                                               
ballots;  establishing an  election offense  hotline; designating                                                               
as a  class A  misdemeanor the collection  of ballots  from other                                                               
voters; designating as  a class C felony  the intentional opening                                                               
or tampering  with a  sealed ballot,  certificate, or  package of                                                               
ballots without  authorization from the director  of the division                                                               
of elections; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
He briefly  compared version A  and version O and  clarified that                                                               
testimony  should  be  confined  to  version  O,  which  is  very                                                               
different from the original bill.                                                                                               
6:08:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER opened public testimony on SB 39.                                                                                  
6:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MORGAN  LIM,   Planned  Parenthood  Alliance   Advocate,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska,  stated  that   PPAA  opposes  SB  39.  It   is  a  voter                                                               
suppression bill  that imposes barriers  to access to  the polls.                                                               
He said the  bill claims to combat election fraud  in Alaska, but                                                               
that is  a baseless claim  that is the  foundation for a  bill in                                                               
search of  a problem. If  passed, it will  disenfranchise voters.                                                               
He  said PPAA  supports  policies  that make  it  easier for  all                                                               
voters to register and cast a  ballot. It is unfortunate that the                                                               
US has not lived up to its  promise of equal access to the ballot                                                               
box, but  Black, Indigenous,  and people of  color are  likely to                                                               
face  barriers  to voting.  He  described  SB  39  as part  of  a                                                               
nationwide voter-suppression  trend. He  pointed out  that during                                                               
the first  three months of  2021, 47 states introduced  361 voter                                                               
suppression  bills.  He maintained  that  despite  claims to  the                                                               
contrary  by proponents,  version  O  has the  same  goal as  the                                                               
original bill.  It imposes  a cascade of  barriers on  voting and                                                               
the limited  opportunity for  public testimony  demonstrates that                                                               
lawmakers  have  no  interest  in   genuine  public  input  on  a                                                               
fundamental pillar  of democracy. He reiterated  that the current                                                               
version of  SB 39 creates a  web of barriers to  voting. He urged                                                               
the committee to hold the bill.                                                                                                 
6:11:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHANDRA  CAFFROY,  Alaskans  for  Constitutional  Rights,  Homer,                                                               
Alaska,   stated   that   this    growing   group   of   Alaskans                                                               
wholeheartedly support  SB 39. There  is a need for  Alaskans and                                                               
Americans to regain  confidence in elections. "In  fact, we would                                                               
support even more stringent measures," she said.                                                                                
6:12:47 PM                                                                                                                    
EMILY KANE, representing self, Juneau,  Alaska, stated that SB 39                                                               
infers that  Alaska's election  system is  insecure and  prone to                                                               
mistakes, although there  is very little evidence  of security or                                                               
verification  issues due  to the  well thought  out policies  and                                                               
procedures  by the  Division of  Elections. She  said she  is not                                                               
speaking for  DOE but she did  work for the division  last summer                                                               
and fall  and the  training was excellent.  She said  she thought                                                               
about how  someone might try  to vote  twice or cause  ballots to                                                               
disappear and  she could  not figure  out any  feasible scenario.                                                               
She  enumerated the  checks and  balances to  catch duplicate  or                                                               
missing ballots.  All ballots are numbered  and quadruple checked                                                               
before polling stations open and  then they are multi-verified at                                                               
the end of  the day and signed  off on by at  least five election                                                               
workers before the  ballots go back to the  Division of Elections                                                               
headquarters  at the  end of  the night.  From there  the ballots                                                               
undergo further verification and  scrutiny. Duplicate or question                                                               
ballots are neither  tallied nor destroyed. A paper  trail of all                                                               
ballots remains,  which would not  be the case with  the proposed                                                               
blockchain  technology. She  highlighted  that it  takes time  to                                                               
certify  ballots  in  Alaska  because a  good  number  come  from                                                               
military  personnel overseas  or remote  villages. She  urged the                                                               
committee to let SB 39 die  and instead focus on bills to bolster                                                               
public health,  public education, and public  transportation, all                                                               
of which will enhance the quality  of life for Alaskans long term                                                               
rather than frustrate their fundamental right to vote.                                                                          
CHAIR SHOWER pointed out that the  bill keeps the paper trail and                                                               
matches the holding time to federal requirements.                                                                               
6:15:09 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA BONNER,  representing self, Anchorage, Alaska,  stated that                                                               
she opposes  SB 39 because  she trusts the integrity  of Alaska's                                                               
elections. She  appreciates the  proposed ballot  curing process,                                                               
the ability to register absentee  for four years, maintaining the                                                               
PFD automatic voter registration, and  adding tribal ID as a form                                                               
of identification. With regard to  the bill fixing data breaches,                                                               
she said  the state  should work on  increasing security  for all                                                               
state data systems. She said she  is not sure what digital ledger                                                               
and blockchain technology means, she  just wants to vote absentee                                                               
or use  early voting  and she  should not  need an  oath-taker to                                                               
witness   her  signature.   Two   adult   signatures  should   be                                                               
sufficient.  She is  not sure  what two-factor  authentication is                                                               
but the  last thing  she needs  is another  pin or  password. She                                                               
also did not  understand why she should be punished  if she takes                                                               
several  ballots from  friends  to  a drop-off  box  or the  post                                                               
office if  she is going  anyway. She expressed concern  about the                                                               
indeterminate fiscal note and pointed  out that DOE has not found                                                               
any fraud in the elections. Regarding  the issue of the number of                                                               
ballots sent  to voters,  she said  it is  the number  of ballots                                                               
sent in and  counted that matters. She said SB  39 is unnecessary                                                               
and should be rejected.                                                                                                         
CHAIR SHOWER  pointed out  that the current  version of  the bill                                                               
allows both  absentee and in-person  early voting.  Regarding the                                                               
oath, the bill  has a provision that states that  the signer must                                                               
be 18 years of age or older.                                                                                                    
6:17:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLIE FRANZ,  representing self, Homer, Alaska,  stated that he                                                               
was  speaking in  support of  SB 39.  He believes  the bill  is a                                                               
major  step  forward  in  restoring   voter  confidence  and  the                                                               
integrity  of the  election system.  He thanked  the sponsor  and                                                               
related  his only  criticism is  that he  would have  limited the                                                               
acceptable identification to a government  or tribal photo ID. He                                                               
expressed hope that the committee would move SB 39 forward.                                                                     
6:18:36 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICIA FISHER, representing self,  Meadow Lakes, Alaska, stated                                                               
that she  had read all  29 pages of SB  39, version O,  and while                                                               
she was pleased with the changes,  she found it complex. She does                                                               
not understand the blockchain process  and the practice of multi-                                                               
factor  authentication  in this  application  is  not clear.  She                                                               
expressed hope that  the committee would not pass  the bill today                                                               
because the  public has  not had  time to  comment. She  read the                                                               
history  of the  bill hearings  scheduled to  date and  urged the                                                               
committee to continue public testimony beyond this evening.                                                                     
CHAIR  SHOWER advised  that the  bill would  go through  multiple                                                               
committees in  both the  Senate and  House and  there will  be an                                                               
opportunity   for  public   testimony  in   each  committee.   He                                                               
emphasized  that  it  is  the   usual  practice  to  take  public                                                               
testimony just once per committee.                                                                                              
6:20:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MELANIE  GLATT, representing  self, Palmer,  Alaska, thanked  the                                                               
sponsor  for  introducing  SB 39  and  offered  suggestions.  She                                                               
relayed her  dismay to learn  about the 20-30 percent  error rate                                                               
between the number  of registered voters and  the population that                                                               
is eligible to  vote. She stated support for  holding ballots for                                                               
22  months;  offered  a  suggestion  to  add  a  line  on  ballot                                                               
envelopes to  signify that a voter  is picking up a  voted ballot                                                               
for another  voter; suggested adding  language to the  bill about                                                               
audits and the  use of electronic voting machines  to ensure that                                                               
a foreign  or domestic adversary  could not change the  vote; and                                                               
asked if  ballots that  go into voting  machines could  include a                                                               
receipt so the voter could see that their ballot went through.                                                                  
CHAIR  SHOWER  recognized  that   Senator  Micciche  was  in  the                                                               
6:24:12 PM                                                                                                                    
LEON JAIMES,  representing self, Anchorage, Alaska,  advised that                                                               
he has more  than 20 years' experience  in information technology                                                               
and network  security, and he  owns a business in  Anchorage that                                                               
provides highly specialized, cyber  security services. He said he                                                               
has been following bitcoin since  2012, and is very familiar with                                                               
applied technology.  He encouraged  the members  to oppose  SB 39                                                               
because it is  not grounded in reality and is  part of a national                                                               
trend  to  implement  voter  suppression.  He  said  others  have                                                               
pointed out multiple issues with the  bill, but he would focus on                                                               
cyber security and technology. The  first big problem is that the                                                               
state's  office of  information  technology (IT)  faces the  same                                                               
challenge  as  all  other  organizations in  the  country.  As  a                                                               
nation, America's  businesses, schools, and government  lag other                                                               
developed nations in  the ability to detect,  defend against, and                                                               
respond to cyber  security threats. He highlighted  that in 2009,                                                               
the Department  of Health  and Social  Services settled  with the                                                               
federal government  for $1.7  million for a  HIPAA breach  and in                                                               
2020, the Division of Elections  suffered an attack that resulted                                                               
in the compromise of the  voter registration database. He offered                                                               
his belief that  the bill overestimates the ability  of the state                                                               
to  secure its  electronic systems.  He  added that  as a  cyber-                                                               
security expert he sympathizes with  those tasked with protecting                                                               
the  state's   information  systems   because  the   attacks  are                                                               
increasing in frequency  and complexity, and are  expected to get                                                               
worse. He offered his belief  that the blockchain and distributed                                                               
ledgers  proposed in  the most  recent  version of  the bill  are                                                               
fundamentally different technologies, so  he wonders which one is                                                               
proposed and  why. He  said they  both rely  on public  nodes but                                                               
there is  no discussion about  securing the data on  those public                                                               
nodes.  Finally,  he  said   the  multifactor  identification  is                                                               
problematic in  that it  restricts access  to certain  groups. He                                                               
concluded  that  the  state  would  not be  able  to  handle  the                                                               
technology and it would be very expensive.                                                                                      
6:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICIA  CHESBRO,  representing  self, Wasilla,  Alaska,  stated                                                               
that she  has voted in  Alaska for 40  years and has  always felt                                                               
the elections were safe and  fair, but she believes the committee                                                               
should pay  attention to  the testimony  from the  cyber security                                                               
expert. She described  ballot curing and accepting  tribal IDs as                                                               
important  improvements  and  suggested  additional  improvements                                                               
including  postage paid  return envelopes  for absentee  ballots,                                                               
counting of  by-mail ballots before Election  Day, and increasing                                                               
worker  wages   and  training  to  help   prevent  mistakes.  She                                                               
reiterated  her  confidence in  Alaska  elections  and urged  the                                                               
committee not to  pass a bill that implies fraud  is occurring in                                                               
the elections.                                                                                                                  
6:29:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  COONS, representing  self, Palmer,  Alaska, stated  that he                                                               
fully  supports   the  current  version   of  SB  39   with  some                                                               
reservations  that  he  outlined  in  writing  and  sent  to  the                                                               
committee. He offered  support for Amendments 1  and 2, expressed                                                               
some concern  with Amendment 3  and suggested keeping  the 30-day                                                               
residency provision in Amendment  4. [The committee adopted these                                                               
amendments  during  the  3:30  p.m.   meeting.]  He  refuted  the                                                               
testimony that  talked about  racism and  bias in  elections, and                                                               
asserted his conviction  that the last election  was "the largest                                                               
voter suppression  by the socialists  of all time."  He concluded                                                               
that  SB  39  has  well-thought-out  provisions  to  ensure  that                                                               
Alaskans  will   not  be  disenfranchised  or   have  their  vote                                                               
6:31:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL SALZMANN, representing self,  Anchor Point, Alaska, began                                                               
his testimony by  recounting the barriers to equal  access to the                                                               
ballot box  that Native Alaskans  face to this day.  For example,                                                               
in 2008  the state  eliminated polling  locations in  some Native                                                               
villages  as part  of  a district  realignment  that resulted  in                                                               
voters having to  travel by plane in order to  vote. He commented                                                               
on  the claims  of  dead  people registered  to  vote and  people                                                               
registered  in multiple  districts and  expressed doubt  that the                                                               
problem was significant  enough to warrant a bill like  SB 39. He                                                               
offered his  belief that the security  measures governing mail-in                                                               
balloting, secure drop off locations,  harsh penalties, and post-                                                               
election audits  make multifactor authentication  unnecessary. He                                                               
described hand-marked  paper ballots as the  most reliable record                                                               
there  is and  said  it would  be  a mistake  to  rely solely  on                                                               
digital  data  that  is subject  to  manipulation.  He  concluded                                                               
saying that  SB 39 purports to  be neutral, but it  will suppress                                                               
participation.  He suggested  the  committee instead  do more  to                                                               
ensure that  Alaskans can  exercise their  right to  vote without                                                               
undue hardship.                                                                                                                 
6:34:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY ANN  HIGGINS, representing self, Anchorage,  Alaska, advised                                                               
that she was  at a disadvantage because she was  unaware that the                                                               
committee had  adopted a committee  substitute. That  being said,                                                               
she opposes  any laws that  make it  more difficult to  vote. She                                                               
specifically  mentioned multifactor  authentication and  advanced                                                               
technologies,  describing  these as  not  Alaskan.  She said  the                                                               
research shows that  hand marked ballots are the  answer to voter                                                               
fraud; they can be held  in perpetuity and are easily researched.                                                               
She and her  husband prefer in person voting but  like the option                                                               
of vote by mail and early  voting. However, getting a witness for                                                               
their ballots is  cumbersome. She questioned whether  that was in                                                               
the  new bill.  She said  she  read about  the big  error in  the                                                               
Alaska  voter  rolls  and  asked the  committee  to  resolve  the                                                               
conflict because  she also read that  Alaska has one of  the best                                                               
voter rolls in the country. She  asked which is true. She offered                                                               
her understanding that  the PFD addresses are  updated every year                                                               
and  suggested that  should take  care  of any  problem with  the                                                               
voter rolls.  She discounted the  idea that there  was widespread                                                               
voter fraud  and described SB 39  as a costly solution  to a non-                                                               
problem.  She  concluded her  testimony  asking  if the  Class  A                                                               
misdemeanor and Class C felonies were removed.                                                                                  
CHAIR SHOWER answered no; that  is current statute. The bill does                                                               
not change that and several other things she contended.                                                                         
6:37:50 PM                                                                                                                    
NANCY BIRD,  representing self, Cordova, Alaska,  stated that she                                                               
opposes SB 39, version O. She  has voted in every local and state                                                               
election since 1977,  been a voter registrar, and  once worked at                                                               
the  polls  and  she  is comfortable  that  the  existing  voting                                                               
process  is  fair  and  accurate.   She  expressed  concern  that                                                               
changing  the system  that is  not  broken will  result in  fewer                                                               
citizens  voting.  Regardless  of  how  people  vote,  she  wants                                                               
everyone eligible  to vote to  exercise this  incredible American                                                               
right. She  spent the  first 20  years of  her life  in countries                                                               
where  voting  is  not  fair  and in  1971  she  witnessed  voter                                                               
suppression in  Mississippi, so this  is personal. She  urged the                                                               
committee to stop further consideration of SB 39.                                                                               
6:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
JOELLE  HALL,  President,  Alaska  AFL  CIO,  Anchorage,  Alaska,                                                               
advised that  she submitted  written testimony on  SB 39  and her                                                               
testimony this evening would focus  on the witness signature. She                                                               
said  she  does  not  object  to  a  witness  signature  but  the                                                               
insinuation  that  somebody  who  has   sworn  an  oath  is  more                                                               
trustworthy  is confusing  and may  keep  people from  submitting                                                               
their ballot. This is deeply  worrisome. She said the overview of                                                               
version O  focused on data hygiene,  custody, and authentication.                                                               
Data hygiene  is the mandate of  DOE, and she would  suggest that                                                               
instead of  the expensive solutions discussed  this evening, that                                                               
the legislature  provide resources to  DOE to clean up  the voter                                                               
rolls.  She questioned  putting  the names  of the  organizations                                                               
with  which DOE  must  work  in statute.  She  observed that  the                                                               
custody and  authentication issues largely  apply to the  vote by                                                               
mail  scenarios   and  therefore  are  an   unfunded  mandate  to                                                               
municipalities  that have  or will  have vote-by-mail  elections.                                                               
The  next concern  is the  requirement for  local governments  to                                                               
have  certain processes  in place  in  order to  use the  state's                                                               
rolls.  She questioned  how  that could  possibly  happen by  the                                                               
October elections  and argued  that the state  needs to  make the                                                               
choices  about  custody   and  authentication.  Otherwise,  every                                                               
municipality  will  be  responsible  for that  on  an  individual                                                               
6:42:33 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  BOYEL,   representing  self,  Anchorage,   Alaska,  stated                                                               
support for SB 39, version  O, but offered two specific comments.                                                               
First,  on page  5, lines  17-18  he suggested  requiring DOE  to                                                               
publish their  report for  the public  to see.  Second is  to add                                                               
military IDs  as a  valid voter identification  on pages  10, 17,                                                               
and  19 because  those are  more valid  than a  utility bill.  He                                                               
urged the committee  to move the bill from committee.  He said it                                                               
will  increase election  integrity  and ensure  that every  legal                                                               
vote counts.                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER   said  he  would  take   those  suggestions  under                                                               
6:44:41 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  CREED,  representing  self,  Sutton,  Alaska,  thanked  the                                                               
sponsor for the positive changes  to SB 39 including tracking and                                                               
ballot curing  and the  use of tribal  IDs as  identification. He                                                               
recommended increasing  the population threshold  for communities                                                               
receiving mail-in ballots  from 800 to 3,500.  This would include                                                               
more communities on the road  system and allow hub communities in                                                               
rural  Alaska to  be  part  of the  mail-in  system.  He said  he                                                               
opposes  blockchain  technology  as undemocratic  and  government                                                               
overreach  and requiring  a second  signature seems  to be  voter                                                               
suppression  and a  solution looking  for a  problem. He  said he                                                               
believes  the state  should pay  the return  postage for  mail-in                                                               
ballots to  encourage more  people to vote.  He said  the process                                                               
for the bill  has not been as transparent as  it could have been.                                                               
He appreciates the work, but overall he opposes SB 39.                                                                          
CHAIR SHOWER advised  that the section on  population and mail-in                                                               
ballots  is not  in  final form.  He also  pointed  out that  the                                                               
requirement for two  signatures on the ballot  return envelope is                                                               
in current statute. The intention in  SB 39 is to codify that the                                                               
witness must be at least 18 years of age and a US citizen.                                                                      
6:47:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  GARVEY,  American  Civil   Liberties  Union  of  Alaska,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska,  stated  that  SB  39,  version  O,  contains                                                               
several  changes  that  help  voter  engagement  such  as  ballot                                                               
curing, the use  of travel identification cards,  and the ability                                                               
to  receive by  mail ballots  for four  years. However,  he views                                                               
Section 54 as  an unconstitutional attempt to  diminish the power                                                               
and  duty of  the judicial  branch and  allow the  legislature to                                                               
determine how  to conduct elections  in Alaska. The  result could                                                               
be   the  restriction   of   Alaskans'   voting  rights   without                                                               
consequence. He  said the ACLU  is also concerned that  version O                                                               
would  take unnecessary  and expensive  steps to  change Alaska's                                                               
elections. For  example, SB 39  would require DOE to  develop and                                                               
implement  a  multifactor authentication  system  as  well as  an                                                               
additional  authentication  process  for  voters  unable  to  use                                                               
multifactor authentication. This and  other changes would require                                                               
the expenditure of  resources that are in  short supply. Finally,                                                               
the   ACLU  is   concerned   about  the   additional  rules   and                                                               
requirements SB 39  would impose on Alaskans  voting absentee. He                                                               
said  everyone  agrees that  Alaska  election  security could  be                                                               
improved, but  the bill  is based on  an inaccurate  diagnosis of                                                               
the  problems.  The  ACLU  believes  that  election  improvements                                                               
should  maximize  engagement  and help  Alaskans  exercise  their                                                               
right  to vote  rather than  making it  unnecessarily complicated                                                               
and stringent.                                                                                                                  
6:49:47 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD GUSTAFSON, representing self,  Homer, Alaska, stated that                                                               
he has  voted in  most elections  since the  early 1970s  and was                                                               
confident  that  they  were  safe.  He  described  SB  39  as  an                                                               
overreach and  an attempt to  fix nonexistent problems.  The bill                                                               
is one of voter suppression and should not pass.                                                                                
6:50:30 PM                                                                                                                    
WILL   MULDOON,  representing   self,   Juneau,  Alaska,   stated                                                               
opposition to  the current  version of SB  39, and  described the                                                               
claim that there  is corrupt data in the voter  rolls as patently                                                               
false. He said that specifically  means "the intentioned altering                                                               
of   data  through   the  writing,   reading,  transmission,   or                                                               
processing workflows." He described that  as a bit like the brown                                                               
M&Ms in  Van Halen's dressing  room. It  shows there is  an issue                                                               
with fluency. That  coupled with trying to rely  on a centralized                                                               
blockchain is a very large issue.  He pointed out that one of the                                                               
largest  robberies  in history  was  when  hackers stole  600,000                                                               
bitcoin from  the Mt. Gox  Exchange. The blockchain  ledger shows                                                               
the outstanding valuation  is about $33.5 billion. He  said it is                                                               
not an apples-to-apples  comparison with ballots but  there is no                                                               
recompense  for individuals  if that  situation happens.  He also                                                               
wondered about the public saying that  the people need to be able                                                               
to understand  the systems but there  is not the fluency  now and                                                               
adding complexity will further that issue.                                                                                      
CHAIR SHOWER  said that to  the point about data  corruption, the                                                               
dual  goal is  to  ensure the  voter rolls  are  accurate and  to                                                               
protect that data with 21st Century technology.                                                                                 
6:53:07 PM                                                                                                                    
EVAN  ANDERSON,  Civic  Engagement Director,  Alaska  Center  for                                                               
Education  Fund   (ACEF),  Anchorage,  Alaska,  stated   that  he                                                               
applauds the  committee for working  together to  tackle election                                                               
security and  modernization, but he  opposes SB 39.  He expressed                                                               
appreciation for  the provisions  regarding ballot  curing, chain                                                               
of  custody  improvements,  and  preserving  paper  records,  but                                                               
rejected the  notion that Alaska's  election data is  corrupt. He                                                               
said  the data  does not  seem to  substantiate the  anecdotes of                                                               
people receiving multiple ballots in  either the 2020 election or                                                               
the Anchorage  municipal election in 2018.  Furthermore, removing                                                               
local control over elections by  mandating state requirements for                                                               
all by-mail voting  will make it more difficult to  vote in local                                                               
communities. Regarding the  accuracy of the PFD  data, he related                                                               
that while  working on  the automatic  voter initiative  in 2015,                                                               
ACEF learned that  over 200,000 Alaskans update  the addresses on                                                               
their PFD  applications every  year because  they moved,  but the                                                               
Division  of Elections  does  not receive  that  data timely.  He                                                               
encouraged  the committee  to  hold SB  39  and instead  increase                                                               
funding  for  the  Division  of Elections  so  they  can  provide                                                               
accurate data for the voter rolls.                                                                                              
CHAIR  SHOWER advised  that  with  regard to  the  PFD data,  the                                                               
intent  is  to  implement  opt  out. The  PFD  division  and  the                                                               
Division  of Elections  both have  said  the data  passes to  the                                                               
Division of  Elections automatically  without any  crosschecks of                                                               
whether  or not  the individuals  should be  on the  voter rolls.                                                               
That is what needs to be fixed on the PFD side, he said.                                                                        
6:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MARC JOHNSON,  representing self, Anchorage, Alaska,  stated that                                                               
he  has voted  in  nearly every  election since  1983  and he  is                                                               
calling  to state  his opposition  to SB  39. He  emphasized that                                                               
Alaska does  not have a  problem with voter fraud,  and suggested                                                               
the effort was  a copycat of the nationwide  trend of unnecessary                                                               
voter  suppression  bills.  He  said  he is  angry  that  it  was                                                               
proposed, and he will do all in his power to oppose the bill.                                                                   
CHAIR SHOWER  argued that  SB 39 was  not following  the national                                                               
trend; he has been working on this bill for three years.                                                                        
6:57:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CARLY  WIER,   representing  self,   Homer,  Alaska,   began  her                                                               
testimony by  commenting on  the number of  times she  marked her                                                               
calendar  to  give public  testimony  only  to find  last  minute                                                               
cancelations. The  skeptic in her  makes her think this  has been                                                               
by design to  confuse and make it more challenging  for people to                                                               
give public testimony on this  bill that would drastically affect                                                               
the ability to  vote in Alaska. She said she  would like to think                                                               
that  anybody serving  in Juneau  right  now would  do better  by                                                               
Alaskans  than   this  sweeping  legislation  that   will  affect                                                               
Alaskan's ability to participate in democracy.                                                                                  
MS. WIER stated  agreement with other testimony that  SB 39 seeks                                                               
to solve a  nonexistent problem. She said there  is no widespread                                                               
fraud  in  Alaska  elections  and the  voter  rolls  are  updated                                                               
annually  through automatic  registration from  PFD applications.                                                               
She said  she regularly participates in  get-out-to-vote efforts,                                                               
and she  has learned  that the voting  system must  be accessible                                                               
enough  for  people in  all  circumstances  to participate.  This                                                               
means  the system  needs to  accommodate  early voting,  absentee                                                               
voting,  vote by  mail,  in-person on  Election  Day voting,  and                                                               
reasonable   requirements  for   identification.  She   said  she                                                               
appreciates certain changes  such as the ability  to register for                                                               
absentee voting in advance, but  she does not support dual factor                                                               
identification. It  is an over-the-top response  to a nonexistent                                                               
security  problem that  would  create  unnecessary and  expensive                                                               
problems  for the  Division  of Elections  and  be confusing  and                                                               
burdensome for voters. She urged the  committee to hold SB 39 and                                                               
make sure that people have the opportunity to comment.                                                                          
7:01:14 PM                                                                                                                    
PAMELA SAMASH, representing self,  Nenana, Alaska, expressed hope                                                               
that  the  committee  moves  SB 39  from  committee  because  she                                                               
believes that  there was nationwide  fraud in the  last election.                                                               
Online ballot  machines were  the biggest  concern. She  said the                                                               
thing that makes America free and  great is that people can vote,                                                               
but it  is worthless if  the vote is  unfair. Her belief  is that                                                               
the last election was rigged.                                                                                                   
7:02:42 PM                                                                                                                    
GARY  WALTENBAUGH,   representing  self,  Fritz   Creek,  Alaska,                                                               
related that  his grandfather  used to say,  "If it  ain't broke,                                                               
don't fix it." and he isn't  sure anything in the election system                                                               
is really "broke." He offered his  belief that the value of being                                                               
an Alaska  is being able  to be an  independent, freedom-oriented                                                               
person who  can say  what he  thinks. He  asked the  committee to                                                               
seriously  consider that  there  is nothing  wrong with  Alaska's                                                               
voter rolls, but  make sure that everyone has  the opportunity to                                                               
7:03:53 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBERT WELTON,  representing self,  Douglas, Alaska,  stated that                                                               
he was calling to oppose SB  39. He listed the reasons. First, it                                                               
mandates blockchain technology, which  has proved to be hackable.                                                               
Instead, the  Division of Elections  should do a  thorough review                                                               
of its  procedures and  recommend a system,  if need  be, through                                                               
the  regular budget  process. Second  changing the  PFD automatic                                                               
registration to  opt in  violates the spirit  of the  2016 ballot                                                               
initiative and ignores  the vote of the people,  which is morally                                                               
wrong. Third, the bill imposes  a misdemeanor penalty on somebody                                                               
who helps to  deliver ballots for elderly or  disabled people. He                                                               
described   that  misdemeanor   threat   as  a   form  of   voter                                                               
suppression.   Forth,   the   bill    limits   the   ability   of                                                               
municipalities  to  mail  ballots  to voters  or  decide  how  to                                                               
conduct special  elections. He emphasized  that cities  should be                                                               
allowed to  decide how they  conduct their elections.  Fifth, the                                                               
offense hotline  that the bill  proposes undermines trust  and is                                                               
an excuse  for more  suppression. He  said the  largest challenge                                                               
facing this  democracy is extreme  partisanship and  gridlock. If                                                               
more  people  vote,  the policies  are  more  representative  and                                                               
reflect the will  of the majority. When voting  is restricted, as                                                               
SB 39  does, partisanship increases  and policies favored  by the                                                               
majority are blocked. This undermines faith in democracy.                                                                       
CHAIR SHOWER advised him to look  at BASIS to see the new version                                                               
of the bill;  his testimony was to the original  bill. The ballot                                                               
harvesting language was changed  significantly and the PFD opt-in                                                               
and local control over elections were both eliminated.                                                                          
7:07:23 PM                                                                                                                    
DOUG ROBBINS,  representing self, Anchorage, Alaska,  stated that                                                               
he signed  on to testify only  to learn that he  had prepared his                                                               
remarks to the wrong version.  He expressed frustration about the                                                               
moving target and  inadequate time to understand  the changes. He                                                               
said  he sees  some  provisions in  version O  that  may be  good                                                               
policy  whereas the  original  bill  had seriously  objectionable                                                               
provisions. He  described SB  39 as  complex with  broad sweeping                                                               
impacts. Given  the history of the  bill, he said he  opposes the                                                               
current version until the public  has had time to understand what                                                               
it says. He  specifically pointed out that Section  22 creates an                                                               
unreasonable standard for certifying  elections with no provision                                                               
to  cure the  problem. He  said the  version he  studied contains                                                               
many  criminal  penalties  for  voting  activity  when  there  is                                                               
already a robust  system in place to  protect election integrity.                                                               
He did not  know which penalties were new and  which were already                                                               
in  statute. He  pointed out  that citizens  are not  lawyers and                                                               
should not  be expected  to risk criminal  penalties if  they are                                                               
unsure about their voter status  or the requirements to witness a                                                               
ballot. He  said this is a  type of voter intimidation  that will                                                               
discourage legitimate voters.  He urged the committee  to hold SB
39 and focus on the budget instead.                                                                                             
CHAIR  SHOWER pointed  out  that most  of  the penalties  already                                                               
exist in  statute; the new  language is bolded. Also,  there will                                                               
be  more  opportunity for  public  testimony  as the  bill  moves                                                               
through the committee process.                                                                                                  
7:10:06 PM                                                                                                                    
JULIE SMYTH,  representing self,  Fairbanks, Alaska,  stated that                                                               
she could only  find the original, version A posted  to BASIS and                                                               
she would suggest  the committee hold the bill  until the website                                                               
is  updated and  the  public has  had time  to  read and  prepare                                                               
comments  on the  new  version.  She pointed  out  that the  2020                                                               
election was held  during a pandemic and reportedly  was the most                                                               
secure ever,  yet SB 39  undoes some of  the work that  made that                                                               
election  so  secure.  She  said   she  trusts  the  Division  of                                                               
Elections but it  needs more funding to make  the current process                                                               
of sorting  the automatic  voter registration  data from  the PFD                                                               
Division run  smoother and faster.  She emphasized that  there is                                                               
insufficient  evidence of  voter fraud  in the  state to  support                                                               
making it  more difficult on  any voter  to cast their  vote. She                                                               
concluded her  testimony saying,  "At this  point, I  opposed the                                                               
7:12:08 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN LACKEY, representing self,  Wasilla, Alaska, disagreed with                                                               
previous testimony that  the last election was  honest. She knows                                                               
of people  who have  been out  of the state  for more  than three                                                               
years who have not received a  PFD but have received ballots. She                                                               
also related  her knowledge of  a hired solicitor who  went door-                                                               
to-door pressuring people  to sign ballots and turn  them over to                                                               
the solicitor  for safekeeping.  She said it  is time  to restore                                                               
integrity  in  the  voting system;  people  have  stopped  voting                                                               
because they  believe the elections  are not fair and  their vote                                                               
would not make a difference.                                                                                                    
7:13:18 PM                                                                                                                    
ELLA COTTER,  Republican District  3, North Pole,  Alaska, stated                                                               
that SB 39  will make elections more  transparent, alleviate most                                                               
voter fraud,  and restore confidence  in the voting  process. The                                                               
bill  does  this by  establishing  an  election offense  hotline,                                                               
making  ballot harvesting  a misdemeanor  and ballot  tampering a                                                               
felony,  establishing an  effective date  for voting,  creating a                                                               
reasonable     registration     process,     requiring     proper                                                               
identification, regulating ballot security  and chain of custody,                                                               
providing  a process  for  spoiled  ballots, regulating  absentee                                                               
ballots  and  how  people  obtain  assistance  in  casting  their                                                               
ballot. She could  see no reason anybody who  wished to eliminate                                                               
voter fraud and  promote voter integrity would  vote against this                                                               
7:15:10 PM                                                                                                                    
NAURI TOLER, representing self,  Eagle River, Alaska, stated that                                                               
she  opposes SB  39.  The state  should make  it  easier to  vote                                                               
rather than  more difficult. She  suggested the  committee listen                                                               
to  the  testimony  from  people who  worked  the  elections  and                                                               
expressed confidence in the existing  system. She described SB 39                                                               
as a complicated and expensive solution  to a problem that has no                                                               
factual basis. She  agreed with previous testimony  that the bill                                                               
is one of voter suppression.  She concluded saying she opposes SB
39 and hopes the committee will oppose it too.                                                                                  
7:17:13 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANNE MACRAE, representing self,  Kasilof, Alaska, reported that                                                               
she uses the voter rolls to inform  people of what is going on in                                                               
the area  and she was surprised  at the number of  people who are                                                               
still on the  voter rolls but reside in other  states. She voiced                                                               
support for  better data,  discounted the idea  that there  is no                                                               
problem, and asserted  that there is ballot  harvesting. She said                                                               
the bill  is a good way  to get the voter  rolls straightened out                                                               
properly and with accountability.  She expressed appreciation and                                                               
support for SB 39.                                                                                                              
7:19:41 PM                                                                                                                    
BERT   HOUGHTALING,   representing   self,  Big   Lake,   Alaska,                                                               
emphasized that SB 39 is not  a voter fraud bill and the election                                                               
system is  not broken, but  the bill  would give the  system more                                                               
integrity. He maintained that the  number of registered voters in                                                               
Alaska  is  130  percent  higher  than  the  number  of  Alaskans                                                               
eligible  to  vote.  He  said  SB 39  will  accomplish  a  needed                                                               
cleanup. He  described the  use of  blockchain as  an accountable                                                               
way for Alaskans  to track their ballots. He  disputed the claims                                                               
that the use  of blockchain is voter suppression.  He referred to                                                               
the  discussion  during  the afternoon  hearing  and  stated  100                                                               
percent  opposition   to  ballot   harvesting  but   support  for                                                               
representatives  from all  parties  helping seniors  to vote.  He                                                               
also stated  support for  ensuring that  someone who  witnesses a                                                               
ballot must be at least 18 years of age and a US citizen.                                                                       
CHAIR  SHOWER advised  that blockchain  was changed  to something                                                               
much broader  to give the  Division of Elections  flexibility. He                                                               
also announced that  the committee would stay  until everyone who                                                               
signed up had an opportunity to testify.                                                                                        
7:23:39 PM                                                                                                                    
GARY TYNDALL,  representing self,  Fairbanks, Alaska  stated that                                                               
he considers voting a fundamental  right and he believes that the                                                               
peoples'  confidence   needs  to  be  restored   after  the  last                                                               
election. Whether or  not anything occurred is not  the issue; it                                                               
is that a  lot of loopholes and potential  problems were exposed.                                                               
SB 39  goes a long way  toward fixing those potential  issues and                                                               
restoring confidence in  the basic right to vote.  He stated full                                                               
support  for  SB  39  and  asked the  members  to  move  it  from                                                               
7:25:23 PM                                                                                                                    
KENRA  KLOSTER,   Executive  Director,  Native   Peoples  Action,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska, stated that  this statewide organization works                                                               
hard in a nonpartisan way to  ensure that every eligible voter in                                                               
Alaska has the opportunity to  vote. She said she appreciates the                                                               
provisions such  as tribal identification  as a valid  ID, ballot                                                               
curing,  and  four  years  for   absentee  voting,  although  she                                                               
believes that  should be permanent.  However, she does  not agree                                                               
with  two-factor authentication.  It  can be  confusing which  is                                                               
burdensome  and will  deter people  from voting.  Furthermore, it                                                               
does  nothing  to  help  clean  up the  voter  rolls,  which  she                                                               
understood was the  intention. She said she wants  to ensure that                                                               
every Alaska has  the opportunity and finds it easy  to vote. She                                                               
said she  does not  support SB  39 as  currently drafted  but she                                                               
looks  forward to  continuing to  work  to improve  the bill  and                                                               
remove the  barriers, so  more Alaskans  have the  opportunity to                                                               
CHAIR  SHOWER  pointed  out  that  there is  still  no  limit  on                                                               
absentee  voting   and  multi-factor  identification  is   not  a                                                               
requirement. The  intent is to  make things more secure.  He also                                                               
highlighted that  ballot curing  will put a  large burden  on the                                                               
state so the burdens go both ways.                                                                                              
7:28:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CRIS EICHENLAUB, representing self,  Wasilla, Alaska, stated that                                                               
he supports  SB 39 and  appreciates the  work that has  gone into                                                               
the bill.  "I can see  the blood,  sweat, and tears  dripping off                                                               
this bill." He drew an analogy  between enacting a bill to ensure                                                               
safe and secure  elections and putting locks on a  new house even                                                               
when  it  is in  a  nice  neighborhood.  He  described SB  39  as                                                               
Alaska's  opportunity  to  be  number one  and  perhaps  be  best                                                               
practice  in  secure elections.  He  suggested  the public  think                                                               
about the fact that it is easier  to vote in Alaska than to buy a                                                               
pack  of  cigarettes.  He  reiterated  his  appreciation  to  the                                                               
sponsor for his hard work.                                                                                                      
7:29:58 PM                                                                                                                    
NANCY LEITH FREDRICKSON-POPE,  representing self, Palmer, Alaska,                                                               
stated that she is very much in  favor of SB 39. It is incredibly                                                               
important  because there  is definitely  a problem  with Alaska's                                                               
elections. She shared that her bother,  who is out of the country                                                               
and has  not voted in  12-15 years, received two  mail-in ballots                                                               
at  her address.  She also  received  a ballot  for somebody  who                                                               
lived  in  her home  three  years  ago.  She noted  testimony  in                                                               
support of election workers and  the election system and said she                                                               
does not  feel that  way. She relayed  her experience  taking her                                                               
father  to vote  at the  MatSu Borough  building. They  were told                                                               
they could use the "I Voted"  sticker to seal the ballot envelope                                                               
if  they  choose not  to  lick  the  envelope  to seal  it  shut.                                                               
Pandemic aside,  she described that as  ridiculous. She concluded                                                               
that there  is most  definitely voter fraud  and she  is pleading                                                               
for secure elections. It is incredibly important.                                                                               
7:33:11 PM                                                                                                                    
TIFFANY RAY,  representing self,  Fairbanks, Alaska,  stated that                                                               
she has  been an  election worker  for the  past five  years. She                                                               
supports SB  39 because she  sees the need for  more transparency                                                               
in the election system. She  described her personal circumstances                                                               
and said she takes issue with  the notion that somebody could not                                                               
stay  informed  because  they  did   not  have  money  or  had  a                                                               
disability. She  is proof  that is not  the case.  She reiterated                                                               
support for SB 39.                                                                                                              
7:35:05 PM                                                                                                                    
REBECCA MOORE, representing self,  Homer, Alaska, stated that she                                                               
strongly supports SB 39 and  strongly encourages the committee to                                                               
move  it from  committee.  This bill  will  ensure integrity  and                                                               
confidence in Alaska  elections. She shared that she  is a former                                                               
financial officer  who audited financial statements  for the sole                                                               
purpose   of  determining   integrity  and   accuracy  in   those                                                               
statements. She  understands that integrity in  elections is just                                                               
as important.  SB 39 is  about ensuring integrity  and confidence                                                               
in  the voting  system  and  making sure  that  every valid  vote                                                               
counts. False  information is  everywhere and  there is  fraud in                                                               
Alaska's election system. She claimed  that eight of the previous                                                               
testifiers  who  opposed  the  bill  gave  false  information  to                                                               
support their  opposition. She thanked  the chair  for correcting                                                               
the record in those circumstances  because integrity matters. She                                                               
said this  is not about  voter suppression as is  being conveyed;                                                               
it  is  about   confidence  and  a  broken   voting  system.  She                                                               
questioned  when making  it easy  to vote  became more  important                                                               
than  ensuring the  integrity of  elections.  She reiterated  her                                                               
support for SB 39 and moving it from committee.                                                                                 
CHAIR  SHOWER announced  that the  committee would  stay late  to                                                               
hear from everybody who wanted to testify.                                                                                      
7:38:31 PM                                                                                                                    
TERESA STORCH,  representing self, Kodiak, Alaska,  reported that                                                               
in the  November 2020 election  she noticed major changes  in the                                                               
way  the   election  was  conducted.  "I   just  frankly  smelled                                                               
something fishy,"  she said. Voters  used Sharpies to  mark their                                                               
ballots and she  subsequently saw warnings on  the internet about                                                               
using them  in Dominion voting  machines. Sharpie use  aside, she                                                               
is  skeptical about  Dominion voting  machines because  they were                                                               
used in the  election fraud in Venezuela.  She questioned whether                                                               
they  connected to  the internet  and suggested  that many  other                                                               
voters  wonder that  too.  She also  questioned  the role  social                                                               
media played in election interference  and censorship. She quoted                                                               
an unnamed  founding father who  talked about  government secrecy                                                               
being tyranny and Joseph Stalin  who said counting the ballots is                                                               
the  most  important part  of  the  election. She  concluded  her                                                               
testimony urging transparency in the ballot counting process.                                                                   
7:42:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SALLY POLLEN, representing self,  Palmer, Alaska, stated that she                                                               
appreciates the three years of work  that has gone into SB 39 and                                                               
she expects  more changes to  come. She disputed the  claims that                                                               
the bill  was one  of voter suppression.  She offered  her belief                                                               
that everybody wants all eligible  voters to vote but eligibility                                                               
is the key  and a picture ID is important  in that determination.                                                               
She  said she  supports SB  39 and  cannot imagine  opposition to                                                               
election reform.  "You don't wait for  the roof to leak  in order                                                               
to repair the roof, so I think now  is a good time to secure good                                                               
voter regulations."  She said she does  not understand blockchain                                                               
completely  but  believes  it  is  the  wave  of  the  future  to                                                               
eliminate  possibilities for  hacking.  She expressed  skepticism                                                               
about  mail in  voting, reiterated  her  support for  SB 39,  and                                                               
noted that  she waited about  an hour  to testify because  it was                                                               
important to do so.                                                                                                             
CHAIR SHOWER  advised the public  to submit written  testimony at                                                               
7:45:41 PM                                                                                                                    
NICK  BROCKETT,  representing  self, Big  Lake,  Alaska,  advised                                                               
previous testifiers who  talked about living in  a democracy that                                                               
this is  a republic and  that honest  and open elections  are the                                                               
bedrock of liberty. He said there  is a lot of voter suppression,                                                               
but he believes it comes  from fraudulent voting. "Every eligible                                                               
voter loses a  vote every time an illegitimate vote  is cast." He                                                               
emphasized the  importance of integrity  in elections  and warned                                                               
against selling  out "to those people  who would like to  take it                                                               
away from us."                                                                                                                  
CHAIR SHOWER asked if he supported or opposed SB 39.                                                                            
MR. BROCKETT replied,  "I know there's some voter  fraud going on                                                               
because when  I found out both  of my parents voted  for Biden, I                                                               
stopped taking flowers to their graves."                                                                                        
7:48:45 PM                                                                                                                    
BILL  PRICE,  representing   self,  Wasilla,  Alaska,  discounted                                                               
previous testimony claiming  that the 2020 election  was the most                                                               
secure ever  because nobody provided  any evidence. On  the other                                                               
side of  the argument, people  claimed fraud in the  election but                                                               
that  too  is unsubstantiated.  There  is  no proof  because  the                                                               
election  system  has  issues,  he  said.  He  recapped  previous                                                               
testimony and wondered how many  rural residents who oppose SB 39                                                               
are  happy that  Anchorage is  flooding the  city in  ballots and                                                               
engaging in  ballot harvesting thereby  invalidating the  vote of                                                               
rural  residents by  sheer numbers.  He further  wondered whether                                                               
those who find that okay would  also be okay if the result showed                                                               
Anchorage voting  the same way as  Wasilla. He said he  votes out                                                               
of a sense of duty but for years,  he has had zero faith that the                                                               
outcome was fair  or free. He thanked the committee  for its work                                                               
to ensure  election integrity going  forward. "I want  to believe                                                               
that my vote will count, and I want  to be able to prove that the                                                               
result is true and accurate."                                                                                                   
CHAIR SHOWER  restated that his  intent in introducing SB  39 was                                                               
to restore faith in the election system.                                                                                        
7:53:35 PM                                                                                                                    
WILLY KEPPEL,  representing self, Quinhagak, Alaska,  stated that                                                               
he  was calling  in  total support  of SB  39.  He reported  that                                                               
despite severe  weather conditions and  coronavirus restrictions,                                                               
his  village  had the  highest  voter  turnout  of all  time.  He                                                               
described an  election in a  village to illustrate that  having a                                                               
valid ID is  not important because everybody  knows everybody. He                                                               
encouraged the  committee to pass  SB 39 because he  saw multiple                                                               
ballots in  the trash at the  post office and that  is not right.                                                               
He also  asked legislators to support  SJR 1 because the  PFD has                                                               
been so successful at putting money into the economy of Alaska.                                                                 
CHAIR SHOWER noted the individuals  who had waited to testify but                                                               
were no  longer available  and suggested  that they  submit their                                                               
testimony in writing.                                                                                                           
7:58:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER closed  public testimony on SB 39  and solicited the                                                               
will of the committee.                                                                                                          
7:58:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HOLLAND moved to report  SB 39, work order 32-LS0204\O as                                                               
amended,  from  committee  with  individual  recommendations  and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
7:58:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI objected.  Speaking to  his objection,  he said                                                               
the first scheduled  hearing on SB 39 was 1/26/21  and to date he                                                               
had  not seen  a fiscal  note  despite the  requirement under  AS                                                               
24.08.035  Fiscal  notes  on  bills.   He  paraphrased  from  the                                                               
following excerpt of the statute:                                                                                               
      (a)   Before  a   bill   or   resolution,  except   an                                                                  
     appropriation bill,  is reported from the  committee of                                                                    
     first referral, there  shall be attached to  the bill a                                                                    
     fiscal  note containing  an estimate  of the  amount of                                                                    
     the  appropriation  increase  or  decrease  that  would                                                                    
     result  from  enactment of  the  bill  for the  current                                                                    
     fiscal  year and  five succeeding  fiscal years  or, if                                                                    
     the  bill has  no fiscal  impact, a  statement to  that                                                                    
     effect shall be attached.                                                                                                  
8:00:19 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
8:02:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER  reconvened the meeting  and asked  Senator Kawasaki                                                               
to continue speaking to his objection.                                                                                          
SENATOR KAWASAKI continued to  say that he is not a  fan of SB 39                                                               
but that aside,  a fiscal note must accompany the  bill before it                                                               
moves  from the  first committee  of  referral or  the action  is                                                               
illegal. He said that is just one  of the many reasons he did not                                                               
like the bill.                                                                                                                  
CHAIR SHOWER stated that the  discussion during the "at ease" was                                                               
about  Senator  Kawasaki's  catch  on the  rules  of  legislative                                                               
procedure.  He  thought  the   indeterminate  fiscal  notes  were                                                               
attached  but they  were not  physically attached  right now.  He                                                               
said he  would shoulder the  blame for  not dotting all  the "I"s                                                               
and  crossing  all the  "T"s  because  it  is his  committee.  He                                                               
expressed  appreciation  to  Senator  Kawasaki  for  "keeping  us                                                               
inside out  lane" and announced  that he  would hold the  bill in                                                               
committee  and get  the  paperwork in  order  for next  Tuesday's                                                               
CHAIR SHOWER asked Senator Holland to withdraw the motion.                                                                      
8:04:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HOLLAND  withdrew   the  motion  to  move   SB  39  from                                                               
CHAIR  SHOWER   asked  if  there  were   additional  comments  or                                                               
8:05:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI pointed out that  someone waited for an hour and                                                               
20 minutes  to give  public testimony  today, another  person was                                                               
unaware of  the committee substitute,  and David  Boyle suggested                                                               
including military IDs as valid  identification for elections. He                                                               
said legislators get ideas from the  public and this is the first                                                               
time the public has had  the opportunity to testify. He mentioned                                                               
that 350 messages on the bill came  to his office and said he did                                                               
not believe  the bill  was ready  to move. He  said three  of the                                                               
five members  of this  committee will  see the  bill in  the next                                                               
committee of  referral, but this  was his only chance  to improve                                                               
it  and he  would like  the opportunity  to do  that. The  public                                                               
provided some good  suggestions this evening and  while he cannot                                                               
support   provisions   such    as   blockchain   and   two-factor                                                               
authentication,  he  does  like  some   parts  of  the  bill.  He                                                               
reiterated that  he would  like to  change the  bill and  he will                                                               
bring it up again on Tuesday when he objects to moving the bill.                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER highlighted  that the  committee held  a number  of                                                               
hearings on the  bill over nearly three  months, public testimony                                                               
generally is  heard just once,  and he would have  an opportunity                                                               
to offer amendments on the floor.                                                                                               
8:07:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER held SB 39 in committee for future consideration.                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 47 Written Testimony (Additional).pdf SSTA 4/22/2021 6:00:00 PM
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SB 47 Written Testimony (6).pdf SSTA 4/22/2021 6:00:00 PM
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SB 47 Written Testimony - 3 Additional letters 3-23-2021.pdf SSTA 4/22/2021 6:00:00 PM
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SB 47 Testimony.pdf SSTA 4/22/2021 6:00:00 PM
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SB 47 Sectional Analysis-DTD 2-2-21.pdf SSTA 4/22/2021 6:00:00 PM
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SB 47 Sponsor Statement-DTD 2-2-2021.pdf SSTA 4/22/2021 6:00:00 PM
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