Legislature(2019 - 2020)BUTROVICH 205

03/05/2019 03:30 PM STATE AFFAIRS

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Must Call in Prior to 7:00 pm
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Heard & Held
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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
          SB  23-APPROP:SUPP. PAYMENTS OF PRIOR YEARS' PFD                                                                  
                  SB  24-PFD SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENTS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:22:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER  announced  the  consideration  of  SENATE BILL  NO.  23                                                          
"An  Act making  special  appropriations  from  the  earnings reserve                                                           
account   for  the   payment   of  permanent   fund   dividends;   and                                                          
providing  for an  effective date."  and SENATE  BILL  NO. 24 "An  Act                                                          
directing  the  Department  of Revenue  to pay  dividends  to certain                                                           
eligible individuals; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  noted   that  the  committee  first  heard   the  bills                                                          
February  1, 2019.  He welcomed  Mr.  Tangeman  and Mr.  Mr. Milks  to                                                          
the witness table.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:23:08 PM                                                                                                                    
BRUCE  TANGEMAN,   Commissioner  Designee,   Department  of  Revenue,                                                           
introduced himself.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:23:20 PM                                                                                                                    
WILLIAM   MILKS,   Assistant   Attorney   General,   Civil  Division,                                                           
Department of Law, introduced himself.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  stated  that  the  intent  is  to  take questions   and                                                          
allow  further   explanation   of  SB  23   and  SB  24  today,   then                                                          
consider  amendments   and move  the  bills  in  the  next  couple  of                                                          
meetings.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He asked Mr. Milks to talk about the eligibility requirements.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:25:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MILKS summarized  that  bills  provide  three years  of one-time                                                           
payments  to make  up the difference  between  the  dividend payments                                                           
in  2016, 2017,  and  2018  and the  statutorily  formulated  amounts                                                           
for  those  years.  He  said  DOL  views  this  concept  as  a  policy                                                          
question    without    a   significant     legal    issue   regarding                                                           
eligibility.  The  eligibility  requirements  are that  an individual                                                           
who  is  eligible  this  year and  received  a  dividend  in  2016  is                                                          
eligible  to  receive  the back  payment.  The  same process  applies                                                           
in 2020  and 2021 to  receive the back  payments  for 2017 and  2018.                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He  said DOL  considered,  but  did not  find,  legal  issues related                                                           
to  eligibility.   He  acknowledged  that  in  the  early   1980s  the                                                          
Zobels   challenged    the   constitutionality    of   the   original                                                           
eligibility    standard.    That    dividend   program    had    major                                                          
distinctions  between  residents.  For  example,  a person  who was  a                                                          
resident   for  one  year  would  receive   one-twenty-fifth   of  the                                                          
dividend a person who had been a resident for 25 years.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILKS  said the  current  proposal is  to make  one-time payments                                                           
with  eligibility   reviewed  under   the  rational  basis  standard,                                                           
which  is  the lowest  standard   of equal  protection   review  under                                                          
both  the state  and federal  constitutions.  This standard  looks  at                                                          
whether   the   legislature   has  a   rational   basis   to  draw   a                                                          
distinction  between  individuals  and  DOL's view  is  that there  is                                                          
a  rational  basis  for the  distinction.   He said  courts  are  very                                                          
deferential  to  legislative  bodies  when  they review  distinctions                                                           
that  have   a  rational  basis   that  do  not   involve  subsequent                                                           
classifications   such  as those  based  on  race,  sex  or religion,                                                           
which  are  based  on the  highest  level  of  scrutiny.  An economic                                                           
interest  and a  distinction  based on  being eligible  and receiving                                                           
a dividend  in 2016  and being  eligible  for a dividend  in 2019  is,                                                          
in DOL's  view,  a valid  and legitimate  basis  for  the legislature                                                           
to  draw a  distinction.  He  reiterated  that  DOL  views  this as  a                                                          
policy question rather than a legal matter.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER asked  how people  who have  committed  crimes would  be                                                          
treated in the payback.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILKS  clarified  that an  individual  would have  to be eligible                                                           
in 2019  and have been  eligible and  received a  dividend in 2016.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  asked the  legal  precedent  for having  a  one or  two                                                          
year residency requirement to be eligible for the dividend.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:31:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MILKS  said  there's  not  a real  bright  line  on  eligibility                                                           
distinctions  for  various  kinds of  state  benefits.  Responding  to                                                          
the  chair's  question  about  the Zobel  case,  he  said that  was  a                                                          
case  that challenged   the first  dividend  program  that  allowed  a                                                          
significant   difference    in  the   amount   based   on   years   of                                                          
residency.  The  case went  to the  U.S. Supreme  Court  in the  1980s                                                          
and   the  program    based  on   years   of   residency   was   found                                                          
unconstitutional.   The  state  did  not  have  a valid   interest  to                                                          
make  that distinction.  That  is  why the  current  dividend program                                                           
establishes   a  residency   requirement   and  pays  the  same   size                                                          
dividend  to all  eligible  applicants.  It is  DOL's view  that  this                                                          
circumstance  is  different  than  the  Zobel  case.  This is  a  one-                                                          
time  payment [for  three years]  to address  the  specific situation                                                           
of  not paying  the  dividend  according  to  the statutory  formula.                                                           
In  Zobel,   the   court  talked   about   looking   at  whether   the                                                          
legislature  had a  valid interest  that  could rationally  support  a                                                          
distinction   between  individuals.   In  this   circumstance,   DOL's                                                          
view  is that  the legislature  would  have  a rational,  legal  basis                                                          
to  support this  distinction.   It says  that before  money  is  paid                                                          
out for  the dividend,  the person  has to  be a resident  right  now.                                                          
Then  the   specific   situation  can   be  addressed,   which   is  a                                                          
particular   year  when  the  dividend  was  not  paid  according   to                                                          
formula.   DOL's  view  is  the  court   will  look  at  whether   the                                                          
legislature  has  a rational   basis to  draw  a distinction  between                                                           
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:34:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   SHOWER  asked   if  DOL   believes,   based   on  that   court                                                          
decision,  that  the  state  has the  ability  to  require  two  years                                                          
residency instead of one to qualify for a dividend.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILKS   said  they  would  need   to  look  at  how  cases   have                                                          
developed  since  the  Zobel  case,  but DOL  does  believe  that  the                                                          
legislature  has  the  ability  to  address  this  situation  without                                                           
violating the constitution.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER asked  if  he foresees  a problem  with  citizens  using                                                          
something  like Pick.Click.Give.org   to  allocate their  dividend  to                                                          
either education specifically or the general fund.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  TANGEMAN,   Commissioner  Designee,   Department  of  Revenue,                                                           
said  there are  ways such  as Pick.Click.Give.org   or the education                                                           
raffle  for citizens  to  give away  all or  part of  their dividend.                                                           
Some  citizens   already  sign   and  ask  for  their  checks   to  be                                                          
deposited  to  the  general   fund.  From  a  technical  perspective,                                                           
there  would  be programing   costs  to expand  the  options  to  give                                                          
individual  dividends  to specific  state  services, but  it could  be                                                          
done.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  said  he  just  wanted  to  understand  whether   there                                                          
would   be   legal    ramifications   associated    with   dedicating                                                           
dividends  to a specific  service  such as  education  since there  is                                                          
a prohibition against dedicated funds.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:40:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MILKS  said he  thinks an  individual  could say  they want  their                                                          
money  to go to  education because  people  have always  been able  to                                                          
make bequests  to  the state  for a particular  purpose.  That is  not                                                          
viewed  as an  overall  dedication  but rather  an individual   giving                                                          
a specific  gift  for a specific  purpose.  He clarified  that he  had                                                          
not thought  it through  completely,  but  this seems  to fit in  that                                                          
framework.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE   pointed  out  the  need  for each  department   to                                                          
have  receipt  authority  if this  amounts  to a  lot of  money or  be                                                          
set  up in  Pick.Click.Give.org.   He also  opined  that  it would  be                                                          
designated   funds  if  the  funds  left  the  general   fund  or  the                                                          
earnings  reserve   and  came  back  to the  state   as a  designated                                                           
general fund item in the form of a contribution.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  asked  Mr. Tangeman   to clarify  that  legislation   is required                                                           
for  the  appropriation   and  the  payback  and  that  checks   won't                                                          
immediately  appear.  He said  he  sees a  clear misunderstanding   of                                                          
the process in some blogs, emails and public testimony.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:43:54 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMSSIONER  DESIGNEE  TANGEMAN  explained  that the  legislature  has                                                          
to  appropriate  money  from the  earnings  reserve  to  the dividend                                                           
fund.  Then the dividend  is  distributed  at the instruction  of  the                                                          
Department  of  Revenue  in  early  October.  There  is  definitely  a                                                          
process and the legislature has a role, he said.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  clarified that  the governor  can't  write 650,000                                                           
$3,000  checks.  There  is a  process  and the  legislature  is  going                                                          
through that process right now.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE TANGEMAN said that's correct.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER added that DOR gets to write the checks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE TANGEMAN agreed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:45:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  asked Mr.  Milks  if DOL  was disputing  the  legal                                                          
analysis    from    legislative     legal    that   questioned     the                                                          
constitutionality of SB 24. In part it said:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ...a   court   would   likely   find   SB  24   to   be  an                                                                
     unconstitutional    durational  residency   requirement  by                                                                
     discriminating   against   some  state   residents  and  by                                                                
     infringing   on  an  individual's   fundamental   right  to                                                                
     travel.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILKS responded  that  he has  not seen  the memorandum  but  DOL                                                          
does not  view the  issue that  way. Rather,  they believe  the  court                                                          
would  look   at  whether   there  was  a  rational   basis  for   the                                                          
distinction    between   residents.    He   acknowledged    that   any                                                          
legislation can be challenged.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI   said  that  legislative  legal   always  issues  a                                                          
memo  to highlight   potential  constitutional  issues  it  sees,  and                                                          
the  legislator   and   the  bill   drafter  try   to  correct   those                                                          
potential  issues.  He asked  if DOL drafted  a memo  cautioning  that                                                          
there might be a constitutional issue with SB 24.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:47:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MILKS explained   that DOL  drafted  this  legislation  with  the                                                          
view  that   the  legislature   is   not  barred   from  making   this                                                          
distinction.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI   asked  whether  or  not  the  Department   of  Law                                                          
issued  a  memo  or  a  statement  to  the  Office  of  the  Governor                                                           
warning  that  constitutional  challenges  could  arise  should SB  24                                                          
pass.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILKS replied  he  would  not  answer specifically   because  DOL                                                          
has  an attorney-client-relationship    with  the governor's  office,                                                           
but  the question  could  be  presented  in writing.  He  added,  "But                                                          
what  I can  tell  you is  our view  from  the Department   of Law  is                                                          
that  this would  be  a constitutional   piece  of legislation.   That                                                          
it would survive a constitutional challenge."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:48:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  replied,  "My  official  request  is  that  we  see                                                          
something  from  the  Department  of  Law that  says  Senate  Bill  24                                                          
would  be considered  constitutional  because  I know  each of us  has                                                          
a memo that says it probably isn't."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER determined  that  Senator  Kawasaki preferred  that  the                                                          
committee  make  the  request  and  said he  would  have  it formally                                                           
drafted from the Senate State Affairs Committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  asked if  this would  be  subject  to appropriation                                                           
in any given year.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILKS said yes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL said  he asked  because  one legislature  can't  bind                                                          
another.  The  way  to  do it  is  to  have  one  legislature  make  a                                                          
suggestion to another, but there is no obligation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILKS said that is DOL's understanding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER asked  Mr. King  to continue  the explanation  that  was                                                          
cut short  in the  previous meeting  about  what would  happen to  the                                                          
permanent   fund  if  there  was  a  payout   and  the  stock   market                                                          
declined appreciably.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:50:39 PM                                                                                                                    
EDWARD  KING,  Chief  Economist,  Office  of Management   and Budget,                                                           
said  he  hoped  to have  this  conversation   on  Thursday  when  the                                                          
committee had received the materials he recently prepared.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  said  he'd  hold  the question.   He asked  if  he  was                                                          
prepared  to clarify  the  analogy  from the  previous  meeting  about                                                          
the intake and outflow of the earnings reserve.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.   KING   explained    that   the   permanent   fund   corporation                                                           
projection  of earnings  is  a little  more than  $4 billion  a  year.                                                          
Those  earnings  go into  the  Earnings  Reserve  Account  (ERA).  The                                                          
other  side of  the  transaction  log shows  all  the funds  that  are                                                          
flowing  out  of the  account.  The  only  money that  is  allowed  to                                                          
flow  out  of  the  account  into  the  General   Fund  is  under  the                                                          
percent  of market  value  (POMV)  law,  Senate  Bill 26  that  passed                                                          
in 2018.  That is  in the neighborhood   of $3 billion.  The required                                                           
statutory  inflation-proofing   of  the  principal  amounts  to  about                                                          
$1  billion.  That money  flows  from  the holding  account  into  the                                                          
principal  account  which  prevents  it  from being  spent  by  future                                                          
legislatures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  summarized  that  the  entire  account  is  growing  by  about  $1                                                          
billion  a year  from its  earnings  plus  whatever  royalty deposits                                                           
there  are, and the  outflow  is only $3  billion. However,  to  think                                                          
that  over the  next  three  years  you can  withdraw  a total  of  $9                                                          
billion  from the  $16 billion  account  and  end up with  $7 billion                                                           
is faulty math because that doesn't count the inflows of cash.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  said that  was  the  point he  was  trying  to make  at                                                          
the  last meeting.   That's  why he  simplified  to  math to  say  $20                                                          
thousand  in the  account, put  $4 thousand  in and  take $4 thousand                                                           
out leaves  a balance  of $20  thousand.  He said he  wanted it  to be                                                          
clear  to the  public  that  money  is both  flowing  in  and flowing                                                           
out of  the fund.  He said  this relates  directly  to  SB 23 and  how                                                          
the payback scheme would work.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:54:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  described that  as a  very general  statement  that                                                          
hinges  on  the  assumption  that  $4  billion  is  flowing  into  the                                                          
account  and that  only  $4 billion  is  flowing  out. He  added  that                                                          
the committee  will  see more  modeling  on that,  including possible                                                           
overdraws  by the  legislature.  He said his  concern  is that if  the                                                          
Constitutional  Budget  Reserve  (CBR) draw  does not  pass and  there                                                          
aren't   sufficient   cuts  in   the  budget,   there   is  a   strong                                                          
possibility   that  the  legislature   will   overdraw  the  earnings                                                           
reserve.   In  that   circumstance,   more  than   $4  billion   (with                                                          
inflation   proofing)  would   be  flowing  out.  He  said   his  real                                                          
concern  is  overdrawing   the  money  that  is  potentially  flowing                                                           
out.  He drew  an analogy  to teens  smoking  their  first cigarette;                                                           
it's much  easier  to smoke a  second one.  He noted  that the  stress                                                          
test  problem  associated   with  overdrawing  the  earnings  reserve                                                           
would be discussed during the next meeting.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  confirmed  that  those issues  would  be  discussed  on                                                          
Thursday.  The  intent is  to answer  all the  questions  and clarify                                                           
the assumptions that are the basis of DOR's analysis.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:57:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KING responded   that the  earlier  conversation  was  that  both                                                          
sides  of  the  equation,  the  draws  and  the earnings,   should  be                                                          
considered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:58:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER  stated   that  he  would  hold  SB  23  and  SB  24  in                                                          
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  clarified   for  the public  that  the  individual                                                           
members  of the  committee  ask questions  about  the  legislation  in                                                          
order  to understand  the  impacts  and protection  of  the permanent                                                           
fund  as well  as  the  fair distribution   of the  PFD,  not because                                                           
they support or oppose the legislation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:59:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER agreed  and  recessed  the meeting  until  6:00 pm  when                                                          
public testimony would continue on SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:01:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER  reconvened  the meeting  at  6:01  and noted  that  all                                                          
members  were present.  He stated  that the  purpose  this evening  is                                                          
to  take   public  testimony   on  SB  23  and   SB  24.  He  limited                                                           
testimony  to one  minute  and asked  everyone  to be  respectful  and                                                          
focus their comments on the bills, not the budget.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:04:43 PM                                                                                                                    
LORA  VESS,  representing  self,  Juneau,  said she  opposes  both  SB                                                          
23  and SB  24 and  she  finds it  difficult  to  talk about  the  PFD                                                          
unrelated  to what  it could  supplement that  is proposed  to be  cut                                                          
from  the budget.  She said  she  isn't speaking  solely  because  she                                                          
works   for  the   university;   it's  because   she   believes   that                                                          
government   services  are  vitally  important,   and  she  sees  that                                                          
they are connected to the spending of the PFD.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:06:45 PM                                                                                                                    
KENLEY  JACKSON, representing   self, Sitka,  said she  opposes  SB 23                                                          
and  SB 24.  Her mother-in-law   lives in  the  Pioneer Home  and  her                                                          
out-of-pocket   payment   is   going   up  $8,000   per   month.   She                                                          
acknowledged  the  difficult  fiscal climate  and respectfully   asked                                                          
the  committee   to  consider  the  needs  of  all  Alaskans   and  to                                                          
provide  funding   for  services  that  everyone  relies   on,  rather                                                          
than  authorizing  individual   checks.  She  said  she  doesn't  have                                                          
children,  but  she  would  gladly  pay  an  income  tax  if schools,                                                           
ferries, and state services received more funding.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:07:30 PM                                                                                                                    
KATIE   BOTZ,  representing   self,   Juneau,  said   she  is   deeply                                                          
opposed  to  both  SB  23 and  SB  24  because  they  will  drive  the                                                          
state  into  bankruptcy.   She suggested   the  Governor  could  do  a                                                          
better  job  of  proving  his  true  intentions  for  the  state.  She                                                          
described the PFD as an entitlement.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:09:00 PM                                                                                                                    
LINDA  TIMOTHY-WOOD,   representing   self,  Palmer,  stated  support                                                           
for SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:09:38 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHLEEN  SHOOP,  representing  self, Palmer,  stated  support for  SB                                                          
23 and SB 24. The economy needs the PFD, she said.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:10:08 PM                                                                                                                    
DENISE  BOGUE,  representing   self,  Anchorage,  said  she  supports                                                           
continuing   to  receive   the  PFD  and  the   payback.  Taking   the                                                          
dividend  has had  a drastic  effect on  her family  budget. She  said                                                          
they use  it to  buy food, clothing,  and  other essential  needs  for                                                          
their  home, family  and local  businesses.  We'll remember  you  when                                                          
we vote, she warned.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:10:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  MICKELSON,  representing   self,  Cordova,  stated  that  he  is                                                          
completely   opposed  to   SB  23  and  SB   24.  He  is  a  lifelong                                                           
resident,   a  teacher,   and  a  fisherman.   He  said  the   PFD  is                                                          
financially  helpful  but not  at the expense  of the  services  he'll                                                          
be  forced to  give  up with  Governor  Dunleavy's  proposed  budget.                                                           
He voiced  opposition  to  cutting  education  and fish  and game.  He                                                          
said  the  Alaska  Marine  Highway  is  his  road  and comparing   its                                                          
cost  per mile  to a  regular  road  is unrealistic.  He  agrees  that                                                          
the  state should  make  cuts  but  not so  the reduced  PFDs  can  be                                                          
paid  back.  He  opined  that  that  methodology  is  counter  to  the                                                          
original  intent  of  the  PFD  program  and  that  the  state  should                                                          
return to the income tax model.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:12:08 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD    KULLBERG,    representing    self,    Anchorage,     stated                                                          
opposition  to  SB  23  and  SB 24.  He  described  the  bills  as  an                                                          
attempt  to rewrite  the state  budget for  the last  three years.  He                                                          
said  it would  be okay  to retroactively   increase the  dividend  if                                                          
it was  also possible  to retroactively   increase the  price of  oil.                                                          
That's  not possible,  he  said,  so we  should move  on.  He said  he                                                          
speaks  for  many  Alaskans  who  not  only  want  a  budget  that  is                                                          
balanced  but also  a budget  that  is civilized,  one  that provides                                                           
health,  education,  and public  safety.  These Alaskans  are willing                                                           
to pay for it with a reduced PFD, he said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:13:08 PM                                                                                                                    
PAT HOLMES,  representing  self,  Kodiak,  said he opposes  SB 23  and                                                          
SB 24.  He  opined that  there  should be  a state  income  tax and  a                                                          
head tax.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:13:52 PM                                                                                                                    
GARVAN  BUCARIA,  representing  self, Wasilla,  stated  opposition  to                                                          
SB 23  and SB  24. He  said a $3,000  dividend  will  provide a  short                                                          
term benefit  but  will likely  result in  the imposition  of a  state                                                          
income  tax,   local  tax   increases,  nickel   and  dime  fees   and                                                          
charges   to  subsidize   education   and   other   necessary   public                                                          
benefits.  Furthermore,   there  is a  need  to  retain  the earnings                                                           
reserve fund for investment for the future, he said.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:15:27 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURIE   WALTON,   representing   self,   Fairbanks,   stated   strong                                                          
opposition  to  SB 23  and  SB 24.  She  said she  would  much  rather                                                          
have  her  portion  of  the  PFD go  toward  sustaining   things  like                                                          
public  education  and the  ferry system  that  make her  community  a                                                          
place  to  live. If  the  budget  remains  as  proposed,  people  will                                                          
leave their communities and the state, she said.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:16:33 PM                                                                                                                    
ELISABETH  BRENNAN,  representing  self and  family,  Nome, described                                                           
SB  23  and SB  24  as  poor  policy  that  threatens  the  state  she                                                          
loves.  She  doesn't  support  these bills,  and  neither  should  the                                                          
Senate   State  Affairs   Committee.   She   opined   that  it   would                                                          
endanger  the financial  stability  of the  Alaska Permanent  Fund  to                                                          
cut  the budget  so drastically  in  order  to pay higher  dividends.                                                           
She   pointed   out   that   the   budget   has   already   been   cut                                                          
significantly   the  last  several   years  and  she  believes   other                                                          
revenue sources should be considered.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:17:35 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIAN  LIEB, representing  self,  Douglas,  said he  strongly opposes                                                           
SB  23 and  SB  24 because  the  permanent  fund  was  established  to                                                          
create  a  predictable,   financial   situation  for  the   state.  He                                                          
opined  the  offering  "this bribe"  and  cutting  state  services  at                                                          
the same time is reprehensible and should not be done.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:18:11 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHLEEN  KREISS,  representing  self, Sitka,  said she  is a retired                                                           
physician  who  is urging  the  committee  to vote  no on  both SB  23                                                          
and  SB 23.  She offered  her  belief  that  government  should  serve                                                          
the   people    by   enabling   services    that   benefit   everyone                                                           
collectively.    These   services    include    strong   schools,    a                                                          
university     system     that    educates     informed     citizens,                                                           
transportation  such  as the  Alaska Marine  Highway  System, support                                                           
for   seniors   through   the   Pioneer   Homes,   and   support   for                                                          
vulnerable  people  through  Medicaid.   These  collective  needs  are                                                          
more  important  than  a large  permanent  fund  dividend  check.  She                                                          
stated  support  for an  income  tax to  develop  an economy  that  is                                                          
sustainable without sole reliance on resource extraction.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:19:04 PM                                                                                                                    
THOMAS  SKONIECZKI,   representing  self,  Anchorage,  said  he  is  a                                                          
lifelong  Alaska who  has seen  that the  permanent  fund enhance  the                                                          
state  economy. He  supports  the permanent  fund for  the people  not                                                          
the  government,  because  it  enhances  small  and large  businesses                                                           
in Alaska,  social  services,  and the elderly.  "The  permanent  fund                                                          
was  made for  the people,  not the  government,  and  it should  stay                                                          
that  way for  future  generations,  so  I'm for  the  permanent  fund                                                          
and not balancing the budget," he said.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:20:07 PM                                                                                                                    
ORTH  APRIL  representing  self,  Kenai,  stated  support  for  SB  23                                                          
and SB  24 to restore  the PFD.  She said  she can use  the money  for                                                          
her  daughter's  education,  and it  helps community  stores  and  the                                                          
economy.   She  shared  that  she  recently   watched  a  documentary                                                           
where  Jay  Hammond  said the  permanent  fund  was  created  for  the                                                          
people, not the government.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:21:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SUMMER   KOESTER,  representing   self,   Juneau,   said  she   is  an                                                          
educator   who  supports   the  PFD   but  not  at   the  expense   of                                                          
education.  Noting  that her  sixth grade  class has  36 students  and                                                          
some colleagues  has  even more,  she said  schools  need more  money,                                                          
not  less.  She  shared  that even  with  the  $20  million  that  was                                                          
forward  funded last  year for  education,  her school  will lose  two                                                          
fulltime  positions   next  year  due  to flat  funding,   which  will                                                          
translate  to even  larger  class sizes.  She  said the  Governor  may                                                          
have  proposed   this   budget  to   make  a  compromise   seem   more                                                          
satisfactory,  but  schools  can't  afford  more  cuts.  Our children                                                           
and society will pay the price, she said.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:22:04 PM                                                                                                                    
ELEILA  PRESTON, representing   self, Wasilla,  said she  is a  former                                                          
professional  educator   and a  homeschool  mother.  She  shared  that                                                          
her  homeschooled  children  are doing  better  than their  peers  and                                                          
the cost  is a  fraction  of what  it costs  the state.  She said  her                                                          
current  concern  is  that  her children  will  not  only  lose  their                                                          
PFDs,  but  also  pay  state  income  taxes  for  the  rest  of  their                                                          
lives.  She said  she  would love  for  her kids  to  see politicians                                                           
follow   through   on  their   campaign   promises.   She  urged   the                                                          
committee to vote yes on both SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:22:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHEAL  GOZDOR, representing   self, Wasilla,  stated  that as  a 25-                                                          
year  Alaskan and  a business  owner,  he supports  the  PFD payback.                                                           
It will boost the economy and small businesses like his.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:23:25 PM                                                                                                                    
TANIA  HARRISON,  representing  self,  Cordova,  said she  opposes  SB                                                          
23  and SB  24 because  it  is irresponsible  to  strain  the state's                                                           
resources  for  an  increase  in  the permanent   fund  dividend.  "An                                                          
extra  thousand  dollars  in  the hands  of  an  individual  will  not                                                          
come  close  to covering  the  added  cost  of living  for  people  in                                                          
communities  where  the  state  has cut  funding  for  state services                                                           
and taken  money  from local  governments."  She emphasized  that  the                                                          
PFD is  not an entitlement  and  should  never be prioritized  of  the                                                          
state's duty to its citizens.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:24:25 PM                                                                                                                    
KRISTINE  MANN,  representing  self,  Anchorage,  said  she  has  been                                                          
involved   in  education   for  the  42  years   that  she's   been  a                                                          
resident.  She strongly  opposes  SB  23 and  SB 24 and  believes  the                                                          
PFD  payback  should  be eliminated.   She also  recommends  reducing                                                           
the  dividend  this  year  and  following   the  formula  set  out  in                                                          
Senate  Bill 26 for  the benefit  of the  children  and grandchildren                                                           
living in the state.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:25:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SALLY  SCHLICHTING,  representing   self,  Juneau,  said  she opposes                                                           
SB  23  and  SB 24.  She  cited  Internal  Revenue   Source  data  and                                                          
calculated   that  $266  million   of  the  estimated   $2.4  billion                                                           
dividend  payback  will go  straight  back to  the federal  treasury.                                                           
She  opined  that  the money  should  stay  in  Alaska  and  that  the                                                          
entire  $2.4   billion  should  be  used   to  fund  essential   state                                                          
services  and  infrastructure.   She'd  have to  pay  federal  tax  on                                                          
the  payback,  and  she could  not  use  what is  left  to pay  for  a                                                          
teacher,  a  state  ferry,   building  a  bridge,  or  maintaining   a                                                          
road.  Such services  and  projects  are most  effectively  delivered                                                           
by state  government,  she  said. They  create  and sustain  jobs  for                                                          
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:26:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CAROLYN   MACINTYRE,   representing   self,   Sitka,   said  she   was                                                          
calling  to voice  strong  opposition  to SB 23  and SB  24. She  said                                                          
the  PFD  was  great  when the  state  was  awash  in  oil  "but,  pun                                                          
intended,   that  well  has  dried   up."  The  focus  should   be  on                                                          
solutions  for the  future  and that  is our  children.  She said  she                                                          
would  be happy to  give up  her PFD to  ensure that  all of Alaska's                                                           
children  receive  a good  education.  They are  more  important,  she                                                          
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:27:53 PM                                                                                                                    
RUSSEL  SAMPSON,   representing   self,  Wasilla,   stated  that   she                                                          
strongly opposes both SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:28:58 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  MAYER,  representing  self,  Yakutat,  stated  that  he is  a                                                          
35-year  resident  of Alaska who  stands  in opposition  to SB 23  and                                                          
SB  24.  He  suggested  that  in  lieu  of  the  annual  PFD  and  the                                                          
proposed  backfill,  the revenue  should  be  directed  back into  the                                                          
General  Fund to  protect existing  state  services.  The idea of  the                                                          
state  paying out  full  dividends  while not  meeting  its financial                                                           
obligations,  particularly   the constitutional   obligation  to  fund                                                          
education,  is not  acceptable,  he said.  It should  not be a  choice                                                          
between   funding  education   or  receiving   the  PFD  and  cutting                                                           
education    twenty-five   percent.    "Let's   not   dismantle    the                                                          
infrastructure   of our  great  state  and encourage   those citizens                                                           
that are not already doing so, to move elsewhere," he said.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:29:55 PM                                                                                                                    
JERI  MAXWELL,  representing  self,  Fairbanks,  said she  is retired                                                           
from  the  university  system,  has  lived  in Alaska  for  34  years,                                                          
and  she greatly  opposes  SB 23  and SB  24. In  the short  term  the                                                          
dividend  seems  like  a  lot  of money  but  in  the  long  term  the                                                          
money  will go  further if  it is  used for  the benefit  of Alaskans                                                           
collectively   by  funding   education,   health   care,  the   Alaska                                                          
Marine  Highway  System,  and  other  essential  services.  She  urged                                                          
the committee to reject both bills.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:30:55 PM                                                                                                                    
TAMMY  SCHMIDT,  representing  self,  Wasilla,  described  herself  as                                                          
a  68-year-old  homestead-raised   Alaskan.  She supports   SB 23  and                                                          
SB  24  and   what  the  Governor   is  trying   to  do  because   Jay                                                          
Hammond's  original   intention  was  that   the  money  was  for  the                                                          
people,  not  the  government.   People  living  in  the  Bush  really                                                          
need the dividend, she said.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER noted that Senator Bishop was in the audience.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:32:01 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF  GUARD,  representing  self,  Cordova,  said  he's lived  in  the                                                          
state  since 1979  and he  is strongly  opposed  to SB  23 and SB  24.                                                          
He  described  the  bills  as  a  detriment  to  the  state  economy.                                                           
Ultimately,  they  will cause  home  prices to  fall which  will  have                                                          
a  greater  impact  on  his  pocketbook   than  the  extra  money  for                                                          
three  years.  He sits  on the  local  city  council  and understands                                                           
that the  state's  bond rating  will fall  with proposals  like  this,                                                          
which  will  make  it  more   expensive  to  borrow  money   to  build                                                          
things in his community.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:33:00 PM                                                                                                                    
BRYCE  MAHN, representing   self, Anchorage,  said  he  opposes SB  23                                                          
and SB  24, and  he opposes  paying  a full  dividend  this year.  The                                                          
statement  that   Alaskans  can  spend  the  money  better   than  the                                                          
state  government   does  not  take  into  account  that  individuals                                                           
will  pay federal  income  tax on  the additional  dividend  and  they                                                          
cannot  take   advantage  of  matching   programs.  The  state   using                                                          
these  funds  will  have a  greater  impact  on  the overall  economy                                                           
than if the money was distributed to individuals.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER reminded  individuals  who  don't want  the dividend  to                                                          
consider not applying for it.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:33:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT  ADAMS  representing  self,  Cordova,  said  he supports  SB  23                                                          
and  SB 24.  He shared  that  his sons  paid  for college  with  their                                                          
dividends  and  his belief  is  that  some low-income   families  need                                                          
the  money.  The dividend  was  set  up so  that  the  government  get                                                          
some  and  the people  get  some  so  the people  should  be  able  to                                                          
decide  what  they  want  to do  with  their  portion,  he  said.  "We                                                          
should still get our fair share."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:34:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHERINE   REARDON,   representing   self,   Juneau,   said  she   is                                                          
retired  and   has  received  the   PFD  since  1986.  She   said  she                                                          
opposes  SB  23  and  SB  24 and  was  struck  that  the  transmittal                                                           
letter  said  that  citizens  had  not  received  the  full  value  of                                                          
their   mineral    wealth   ownership    share.   She   offered    her                                                          
perspective  that  her  share  does  not  need  to  be an  individual                                                           
distribution.   She  pointed   out  that  she   doesn't  receive   her                                                          
individual  share  of state  land and  wildlife  by getting  title  to                                                          
a  square  mile  of state  land.  She  said  individuals   create  the                                                          
government  and  government  is  the  way that  collective  decisions                                                           
are made. Thus her opposition to both bills.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:36:13 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  CINDY WESTERGAARD,   Neurobehavioral  Consultants,   LLC,  Sitka,                                                          
said she  is a small  business  owner and  a small  training site  for                                                          
psychology  students  at  the  university.  She said  she  opposes  SB                                                          
23 and  SB 24  because  she doesn't  believe  that giving  individual                                                           
residents  a larger  dividend  will improve  the quality  of life  for                                                          
people  in  the  state.  Rather,  it  will  cause  suffering  because                                                           
there   won't  be   adequate   resources   to  fund   schools,   ferry                                                          
service,  the  university,   hospitals,  or  the  Pioneer   Home.  She                                                          
asked  the members  to consider  that their  legacies  will depend  on                                                          
their ethical decision-making.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:37:24 PM                                                                                                                    
ARIEL  STARBUCK, representing   self, Sitka,  said she  is opposed  to                                                          
SB 23  and  SB 24.  She shared  that  she is  a homeowner,  a mother,                                                           
and  the daughter  of  a logger  whose  hard work  helped  her have  a                                                          
good  education  and  better  life.  She would  like  the  same  thing                                                          
for  her  own  children.   She  opined  that  choosing   to  take  the                                                          
additional   PFD  while  defunding   vital  state  services   and  the                                                          
education  system  will  leave  the  state  with  nothing.  She  urged                                                          
the committee not to pass SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  BRIGHTON,  representing  self, Kenai,  state  opposition to  SB                                                          
23  and  SB 24.  He  said  he doesn't  believe   the campaigning   was                                                          
done  in  the context  of  making  large  cuts  to fund  the  PFD.  He                                                          
opined  that  the majority  of  Alaskans  oppose  the  large dividend                                                           
when  it's  presented   in  the  proper  context.   He  said  he  also                                                          
disagrees  with  the  notion that  individuals  can  decline  to  take                                                          
their  PFDs and  thereby  help fund  essential  services.  He pointed                                                           
out that the money must be allocated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:39:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SETH  ROBERTS,   representing  self,  Palmer,   said  he  is  in  full                                                          
support  of  SB 23  and  SB  24. His  reasoning  is  that  giving  the                                                          
money  to the  government  would be  a temporary  solution  and  would                                                          
not change  the status  quo.  The solution  to the budget  deficit  is                                                          
to  cut services.  "I  believe  the PFD  should go  to the  people  as                                                          
it was  intended  and the  government  needs to  do what  it needs  to                                                          
do to cut and get smaller," he said.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:40:45 PM                                                                                                                    
JENNY  ROHLER, representing  self,  Sutton,  said she  was calling  to                                                          
ask the  committee  to support  SB 23 and  SB 24, to  restore the  PFD                                                          
that  was unlawfully   taken from  Alaskans.  She  said  the Governor                                                           
based  his  campaign   on  restoring   and  protecting  the   PFD  and                                                          
Alaskans  elected  him.  The  expectation  is  that  he  will fulfill                                                           
his  campaign  promises.   She offered   her  opinion  that  the  poor                                                          
were  more greatly  affected  by the  reduced  PFD. The  money  should                                                          
be  returned  to  all  Alaskans   and  those  who  oppose   the  bills                                                          
should  have the  opportunity  to donate their  PFD to  the state.  It                                                          
should  be an  individual  decision.  She thanked  the  committee  for                                                          
supporting the Governor.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:42:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHELLE  HAHN,  representing  self,  Cordova,  said  she  opposes  SB                                                          
23  and  SB 24,  but  she  finds  it  distasteful  to  do  so because                                                           
taking  the  PFD  is  a draconian   tax  that  impacts  the  poor  and                                                          
rural  areas  the most.  She  recalled  pleading  with  then Governor                                                           
Hammond  to  keep   the  income  tax  in  place.  She   said  she  was                                                          
worried  that  once  it  was  abolished,  the  wealthy  and  powerful                                                           
would  prevent  the reinstatement   of such  a fair  tax  when it  was                                                          
justly  needed.  She  concluded   her  comments  saying,  "I  want  an                                                          
income   tax   that   fully   taxes   myself,   the   affluent,    the                                                          
corporations,  and  instead  of just  the poorer  Alaskans  as  taking                                                          
the PFD does."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:43:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY  FISHER,  representing  self,  Anchorage,  stated  opposition  to                                                          
SB  23  and  SB  24  and  pointed  out  that  Governor  Hammond   said                                                          
abolishing   the  state   income  tax   was  the   worst  thing   that                                                          
happened  during  his administration.   She said  she  fully supports                                                           
reinstating that tax.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:44:18 PM                                                                                                                    
EVE  DOWNING,  representing   self,  Sterling,  said  she  is  a  high                                                          
school  student  speaking  in  opposition  to  SB  23  and SB  24.  An                                                          
equitable   budget  is  not   possible  with   a  full  PFD  and   the                                                          
payback,  she   said.  It  will  not  allow  her  to  get   a quality                                                           
education  and  it won't  make  up  for the  increase  in  tuition  at                                                          
UAA.  She  said  she  knows  many  students   who  won't  be  able  to                                                          
afford  to attend  UAA  as they  had  planned.  As proposed,  the  PFD                                                          
will  damage  the  economy  and  drive citizens   away.  She reported                                                           
that  the proposed   $1.6 billion  cut  will  result  in the  loss  of                                                          
more than 13,000 jobs, which will not be good for the economy.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:45:39 PM                                                                                                                    
LISA BUSCH,  representing  self,  Sitka, said  that as  an Alaskan,  a                                                          
mother,  someone  who  works in  science,  and woman  of  reason,  she                                                          
sees  SB 23  and SB  24 as the  saddest  bills  she's seen  in a  long                                                          
time.  She said  the Alaskans  she  knows  are can-do,  hard-working,                                                           
community-minded,   independent,   and  creative,   and  they  do  not                                                          
need  a "handout  retro check"  from  a program  that  has created  an                                                          
unseemly  sense  of entitlement.  Rather,  they  need  legislators  to                                                          
invest  permanent  fund  money  in K-12  education,  the  university,                                                           
health  care, and  the management   of resources  that  make Alaska  a                                                          
special place to live.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:46:28 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM NELSON,  representing  self,  Fairbanks,  said he  has lived  here                                                          
since  1976 and  he supports  SB  23 and  SB  24. He's  a grandfather                                                           
living  on a  fixed  income and  he  needs the  money  for birthdays,                                                           
fuel oil, and many other things.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:47:25 PM                                                                                                                    
LESLIE  JACKSON,  representing  self,  Ketchikan,  said  she strongly                                                           
opposes  SB  23  and  SB 24.  She  opined  that  the  claim  that  the                                                          
payback  will stimulate  the  economy is  a short-term  solution.  She                                                          
asked  the legislature  to use  the money  to balance  the budget  and                                                          
keep  state  services  and assets  open  for  business  and providing                                                           
benefits for communities.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:47:59 PM                                                                                                                    
ERIC   MILLIKEN,   representing    self,   Anchorage,   said   he   is                                                          
testifying  in opposition  to  SB 23 and  SB 24. Although  he and  his                                                          
family  would benefit  from the  large PFD  in the short  term,  in 20                                                          
years  his child  would see an  economy that  is much  weaker than  it                                                          
is  today.  He urged  the  committee  to  consider  a different   path                                                          
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:48:50 PM                                                                                                                    
RONALD  HOWARD  JR., representing   self and  his family,  Ketchikan,                                                           
said  he  strongly  supports  SB  23  and  SB  24.  He described   the                                                          
economic  benefit  of  the PFD  to his  family  as astronomical.   His                                                          
is  a   single-income   family  and   the  extra   funds  go  towards                                                           
homeschool  education   and  college  savings.  He  also  pointed  out                                                          
that  when  the PFD  is  paid in  October  it  helps businesses   stay                                                          
open for the winter.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
LOU  PONTIOUS,  representing  self,  Kasilof,  stated support  for  SB                                                          
23 and SB 24.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:50:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MELODY  MCCULLOUGH,  representing  self,  Wasilla, said  she strongly                                                           
supports  SB  23 and  SB 24.  She  and her  husband  are  raising  two                                                          
grandchildren  and  their  PFDs  help pay  for  winter  gear, heating                                                           
expenses,  and  groceries.  This  helps  stimulate  the  economy.  She                                                          
said she supports a state income tax.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:51:45 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBERT  WATSON,   representing   self,  Wasilla,   said  he  strongly                                                           
supports  SB 23  and SB  24. It is  intended  to help  the people.  He                                                          
said  the  people  who  don't  want  their  dividend   don't  need  to                                                          
apply.  He maintained  that the  state will  never cut  the amount  of                                                          
money it spends, and the people shouldn't have to pay for that.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:52:11 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDREW  SMALLWOOD,   representing   self,   Cordova,  said   he  is  a                                                          
commercial  fisherman.   He  offered  his  opinion  that  rather  than                                                          
find  alternative  sources  of revenue,  the  state has  depleted  its                                                          
reserves.  Now the  proposed  budget cuts  are so sudden  and drastic                                                           
that   they  risk   triggering   a   statewide   recession   and   the                                                          
destruction  of  rural  communities.  Thus  he opposes  SB  23 and  SB                                                          
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:52:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CARMEN  GUTIERREZ,  representing   self,  Anchorage,  said  she  is  a                                                          
second  generation  Alaskan  who  has  lived  here  her  entire  life.                                                          
She  said she  strongly  opposes  SB  23 and  SB  24 as  a short-term                                                           
infusion  of money  into  the  economy that  will  have a  very  long-                                                          
term  negative  economic  impact  that  will  affect  generations   to                                                          
come.  She   said  the  reason   Alaska  doesn't   have  an  educated                                                           
workforce  is because  the  education  system  in the state  is  being                                                          
decimated. She urged all legislators to oppose SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:53:40 PM                                                                                                                    
KEVIN  MAIER, representing   self, said  he's  lived in  Juneau  since                                                          
2014  and is  raising  two  children.  He  works as  a  fishing  guide                                                          
and  educator.   He  said  he  understands   that  the  PFD   is  very                                                          
important  to many  Alaskans,  but he strongly  opposes  SB 23 and  SB                                                          
24.  "We should  not  be forced  to  choose between  funding  PFDs  on                                                          
the  one hand,  and  on the  other  funding  K-12, higher  education,                                                           
state   ferries,  homeless   shelters,   and  the   countless   public                                                          
services  we count  on  to live  in this  great  state."  He said  the                                                          
Governor  believes   his  budget  is  sustainable,  predictable,   and                                                          
affordable  but evidence  suggests  that relying  on  oil means  it is                                                          
neither  sustainable  nor  predictable.  He  urged  the  committee  to                                                          
instead   consider   a  diverse   array   of  revenue,   including   a                                                          
progressive,   broad-based   income   tax  and  using   the  earnings                                                           
reserve as necessary to fund essential services.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  clarified   that  the previous   speaker  was  not  the                                                          
lieutenant governor.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:55:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CLAIRE  SANCHEZ,  representing  self,  Sitka,  stated that  she  works                                                          
for the  University  of Alaska  Cooperative  Extension.  She said  she                                                          
opposes  SB  23 and  SB  24,  and supports  investing   in education,                                                           
the university,   senior services,  Medicaid,  and the  Alaska  Marine                                                          
Highway  System.  She voiced  a preference   for state  services  that                                                          
support   the  wellbeing   of  the  state's   future  as  opposed   to                                                          
receiving money individually through the PFD.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:55:51 PM                                                                                                                    
GAYLE  CHRISTENSON,   representing   self,   Anchorage,  offered   her                                                          
opinion  that the  Governor was  elected on  the promise  to pay  back                                                          
the PFD,  and that  the dividend  payments  are poured  back into  the                                                          
economy.  She  suggested   that  people  who  want  to  donate   their                                                          
dividends  to the  state and  specifically  earmark  the funds  should                                                          
be allowed  to do  so just as  the people  who need  the money  should                                                          
be able to receive it to use for things like heating fuel.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
ANGELA  DARBOUS,   representing  self,  Anchorage,   said  she  is  in                                                          
full  support  of  SB  23  and  SB  24.  She  pointed   out  that  the                                                          
Governor  ran and  won on the  promise to  restore the  PFD, and  that                                                          
it   helps   the  economy   when   people   have   more   money.   She                                                          
highlighted   that  Alaska   spends  more  money   on  education   per                                                          
capita  than  any  other  state  and it  doesn't  make  the  kids  any                                                          
smarter.  She  voiced  support for  the  latitude  to choose  how  and                                                          
where  to educate  her  child and  to  receive the  PFD  to help  with                                                          
college.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:58:35 PM                                                                                                                    
BEN  STEVENSON,  representing  self,  Talkeetna,  stated  support  for                                                          
SB 23  and SB 24.  He said  he believes  the PFD helps  support  local                                                          
communities  and  families.  People  who  want  to  donate  their  PFD                                                          
have the option to do so.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:59:21 PM                                                                                                                    
BROTHER   TOM  PATMOR,   representing   self,   Clam   Gulch,   stated                                                          
opposition  to  SB  23  and  SB  24. He  said  there  is  no  need  to                                                          
continue  to  take money  from  the permanent  fund  when  it results                                                           
in  lower  checks  and less  money  to  invest.  He highlighted   that                                                          
the  Dalton  Highway   currently  costs  $20  million   per  year  for                                                          
maintenance   and in  today's  dollars   it would   probably  cost  $1                                                          
billion  to build.  He suggested  selling  it  to the  permanent  fund                                                          
for  that amount.  He further  suggested  that  the ferry  system  and                                                          
the  railroad  could  be  traded  to  the  fund,  depending  on  their                                                          
values.   This   would   do   away   with    the  need    for   annual                                                          
appropriations for maintenance of these assets.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:00:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MARC  CARREL, representing  self,  Cordova,  said he  is a commercial                                                           
fisherman  and  teacher  and he  strongly  opposes  SB 23  and SB  24.                                                          
He  said his  community  relies  heavily  on state  services  such  as                                                          
the ferry  system,  state schools,  and  a well-funded  Department  of                                                          
Fish  and Game.  He opined  that all  Alaskans  are better  served  if                                                          
resources  are  pooled  to  pay  for  state  services  as  opposed  to                                                          
issuing  individual   checks.  This   is  particularly  important   in                                                          
rural  Alaska.  Without  valuable   state  services,  the  quality  of                                                          
life will suffer dramatically, he said.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:01:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SKYLER  QUIN,   representing   self,  Anchorage,   said  he  strongly                                                           
opposes  SB 23 and  SB 24. He  reminded  the committee  of the  Alaska                                                          
Supreme  Court ruling  last year  that said  the previous  governor's                                                           
veto   of  the   permanent   fund   was  legal   because   it  is   an                                                          
appropriation,    not   a   transfer.    It   is   irresponsible    to                                                          
voluntarily  pay  out  billions  of dollars,   and it  is not  in  the                                                          
best interest of the future of the state, he said.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:02:01 PM                                                                                                                    
TANYA  KITKA,  representing  self,  Kodiak, said  she  fully supports                                                           
funding  the  PFD, but  doesn't  believe  that the  debate  should  be                                                          
either  fund  the PFD  or support  state  services.  She  pointed  out                                                          
that  in previous  years  people  received  their  PFD and  the  state                                                          
provided  services.  She  doesn't believe  that  the  children  should                                                          
be  asked to  pay what  amounts  to a  tax for  their  education,  but                                                          
their  parents  should.  She  said  she  supports  an  income  tax  in                                                          
that respect, but it should not be by taking the PFD.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:02:55 PM                                                                                                                    
KYLE HASSE,  representing  self,  Wasilla,  said he is  a student  who                                                          
believes  in a prosperous  and  sustainable  Alaska  and is therefore                                                           
adamantly   opposed   to  SB   23  and  SB   24.  He   described   the                                                          
legislation  as a  puzzle piece  in a series  of proposals  that  will                                                          
undermine  essential  services  that contribute  to  a prosperous  and                                                          
sustainable Alaska.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:03:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHERINE   RILEY,  representing   self,  Sitka,  said  she  strongly                                                           
opposes  SB 23 and  SB 24 and  the premise  that Alaskans  need  a PFD                                                          
more  than services  such  as public  education,  public  safety,  the                                                          
Marine  Highway  System,   Pioneer  Homes,  affordable  health   care.                                                          
She  is part  of the rural  community  that  will be  most devastated                                                           
by the  Governor's  policies.  She is fortunate  to  have received  an                                                          
excellent   education    from   dedicated   teachers   who   had   the                                                          
resources   and  time  to  deliver  that   excellent  education.   She                                                          
urged  the  committee  to reject  both  bills  saying  the  future  of                                                          
the state and Alaska's youth depend on it.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:05:06 PM                                                                                                                    
JACK  JOHNSON,  representing   self,  North  Pole,  said  he strongly                                                           
favors  SB 23 and  SB 24 and  once again  receiving  the full PFD  and                                                          
the backpay.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:05:27 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDREW  NAVARRO,  representing   self,  Mat-Su  Valley,  said  he's  a                                                          
contractor,  he  finds  the PFD  very  important,  he supports  SB  23                                                          
and SB  24, and  he believes  the government  spends  too much  money.                                                          
He said  it doesn't  matter  that  90 percent  of the  people calling                                                           
oppose  the bills  because the  people overwhelmingly   voted for  the                                                          
Governor who promised to restore the PFD and the backpay.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:06:23 PM                                                                                                                    
GEORGE  SMALLWOOD,  representing   self, Homer,  said  he's  lived  in                                                          
Alaska  for 46 years  and he  opposes SB  23 and SB  24. He clarified                                                           
that  he is  not connected  to  education  or government  employment.                                                           
He  believes it  is best  to  put the  money  into public  safety  and                                                          
services such as the Marine Highway System.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:08:19 PM                                                                                                                    
AMY  JO MEINERS,  representing  self,  Juneau,  said she  is a  fourth                                                          
generation  Alaskan   who strongly   opposes  SB  23 and  SB  24.  She                                                          
said  it's time  for Alaskans  to put  in a  little money  to pay  for                                                          
existing   services,   whether  it's   the  Alaska   Marine  Highway,                                                           
Pioneer  Homes,  education,  or public  safety.  It's time  to have  a                                                          
balanced  budget  that  relies  on  a stabile   revenue  source.  Thus                                                          
she strongly opposes this legislation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:09:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MAURICE  STOVALL,  representing  self,   Anchorage,  Alaska,  said  he                                                          
supports SB  23 and SB  24 and wants  to remind the committee  that it                                                          
would be a felony offense to  steal $500 from everyone in your family.                                                          
That's  how  he   views  the  taking  of  the   PFD  by  the  previous                                                          
administration. He  maintained  that the  money was  intended for  the                                                          
people, not the budget.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:10:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  asked  all  testifiers  to  talk  about  the  bills                                                          
and not impugn the intentions of others.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER said it's a good reminder for everyone.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:11:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTIAN  ALMAN,  representing   self, Anchorage,   said he's  a  36-                                                          
year resident  and  he opposes  SB 23 and  SB 24. It  is not the  time                                                          
to  give this  sort of  handout  when  the state  has a  $1.6 billion                                                           
deficit,  he  said.  The Governor   has submitted  a  budget  that  is                                                          
devastating   to transportation,   education,   homeowners,  seniors,                                                           
and  priority  services.  He also  expressed  hope  that  there  would                                                          
be a discussion about oil company tax credits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:12:35 PM                                                                                                                    
JENNA  STRINGER,  representing   self,  Barrow,  said  she is  a  high                                                          
school  student  speaking  in  opposition  to  SB 23  and SB  24.  She                                                          
said the  families  that depend  on the  PFD for necessary  items  are                                                          
in  this  position  because  there  aren't  enough  jobs  that  pay  a                                                          
decent  wage. She  suggested  that  instead  of giving  individuals  a                                                          
larger  PFD in  the  hope of  bandaging  problems  with  the economy,                                                           
the   money   should    be   reinvested   to   create   jobs,    build                                                          
infrastructure,  and  support  Alaskans who  stay in  the state.  This                                                          
will  reduce the  number  of Alaskans  who are  leaving  the state  in                                                          
search of decent-paying jobs., she said.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:13:38 PM                                                                                                                    
PAT  KEHOE PENDELL,   representing  self,  Sitka,  said ditto  to  the                                                          
last testimony.  She  said she  is a 38  year resident,  a fisherman,                                                           
a  nurse, and  a  former homeschooling   mother.  She  supports  great                                                          
education  for  all  children,  health,  the Alaska  Marine  Highway,                                                           
the  Department   of   Fish  and  Game,   and  the   other  essential                                                           
services  the state  provides.  She  is in  favor of  reinstating  the                                                          
state  income  tax and  a small,  consistent  PFD.  She said  the  PFD                                                          
payback  cannot  be justified  and  she  strongly  opposes  SB 23  and                                                          
SB 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
DAMON  KNIGHT,  representing  self,  [Clam Gulch],  stated  that  just                                                          
like  most  Alaskans   who  voted  for   the  Governor,  he  robustly                                                           
supports  SB 23 and  SB 24.  He opined that  most Alaskans  who  voted                                                          
for the  Dunleavy  Administration  want their  PFD restored  and  paid                                                          
back.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:16:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CRYSTAL  HAITE,  representing   self  and  three  children,  Wasilla,                                                           
stated  strong  support  for SB  23 and  SB 24.  She said  she  didn't                                                          
believe   that  taking   money   from  the   people   was  a  way   to                                                          
strengthen   the  economy.  She   doesn't  believe  it  should   be  a                                                          
choice  between  receiving  the  PFD or  giving  kids  a well-rounded                                                           
education.   She  suggested  that  the  solution  lies  in  education                                                           
reform.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:16:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  ALEXANDER,  representing   self,  Big  Lake,  said  he strongly                                                           
supports  SB 23 and  SB 24.  He offered  his belief  that too much  is                                                          
already  spent on  education.  He would  like  to see  a solution  for                                                          
the  Marine Highway  System,  but he  believes  everyone  in his  area                                                          
needs  their  dividend.  Giving  the  PFD  to individuals   will  help                                                          
the economy more than if the state spent the money.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:17:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLES  WEAVER,  representing  self, Anchorage,  said  he absolutely                                                           
supports  SB  23  and SB  24.  The PFD  was  never  intended  for  the                                                          
government  to spend  and  it should  be restored  to  the people.  He                                                          
said  citizens   that  don't   want  the  PDF   have  the  option   of                                                          
donating it to the government.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:18:06 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM CHIPP,  representing  self,  Ninilchik,  said the  Governor  knows                                                          
that   the  PFD   was  established    as  a   fund  for   the   future                                                          
generations   of  Alaskans.   He  said  about   one  percent   of  the                                                          
population  left  the state  last  year and  the last  administration                                                           
is  largely  responsible  for  that.  "Give  the  people  their  money                                                          
and I  will promise  you  it will  be spent  wisely within  our  local                                                          
communities,  providing   a much-needed  boost  to  our  economy,"  he                                                          
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:19:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CYNTHIA  MOORE, representing   self, Funny  River, said  she strongly                                                           
supports  SB 23  and SB  24 and  Governor  Dunleavy's  efforts to  cut                                                          
the Alaska  budget.  She opined  that the  education  system needs  to                                                          
be rebuilt  from  the bottom  up because  it costs among  the highest                                                           
in the nation and yields the poorest results.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:19:56 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNN   KUPA  representing   self,   Eagle   River,   said  she   fully                                                          
supports  SB 23 and  SB 24. The  PFD was  made for the  people and  it                                                          
should  be restored  to the  people,  not to  teachers.  She said  the                                                          
people   spoke  by  voting   Governor   Dunleavy   into  office.   She                                                          
concluded saying, "We need the PFD back."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:21:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY  GEDDOS, representing  self,  Anchorage,  said she  is a 35-year                                                           
resident,  a mother,  and grandmother  of  children who  also live  in                                                          
Alaska.  She  is a  senior  and  a property  owner  and  she strongly                                                           
opposes  23  and  SB  24.  She  said  these  bills  will   cost  $1.95                                                          
billion  and   future  investment   returns  will  be  lower  because                                                           
there  will be  less  to invest.  Essential  state  services  will  be                                                          
devastated,  and  the  quality  of life  will  be radically  altered.                                                           
She  urged   the  committee   to  reject   these   extreme  and   ill-                                                          
considered measures.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:22:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CASSIDY  AUSTIN-MERLINO,   representing  self,  McCarthy,  stated  she                                                          
is  a  16-year-old  who  strongly   opposes  SB  23  and  SB  24.  She                                                          
believes  that  removing this  money  from the  public  fund will  not                                                          
only  impact  essential  public  services,  it  will  also  take  much                                                          
needed  money out  of education.  She  said that  as a  member of  the                                                          
youth   community,  she   feels  it   is  her  job   to  protect   her                                                          
education  and the  education  of youths  for years  to come. "Giving                                                           
this  money towards  PFDs  will not  allow students  in  our state  to                                                          
receive the education that they deserve," she said.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:23:16 PM                                                                                                                    
JOLIE  TULLEY, representing   self, Sitka,  stated  strong opposition                                                           
to SB  23 and SB  24. She said  she wants  a functioning  Alaska,  not                                                          
a  larger  PFD. She  said  education  is  fundamental  to  freedom  in                                                          
this  society,  and  cuts  to  education,  Medicaid,   and  the  ferry                                                          
system  will further  dispossess  the  most  vulnerable  families  and                                                          
propel  communities  into  destitution.  She  said  we rely  on  state                                                          
government  for  far-seeing  policies,   not short-term   gains.  Each                                                          
individual's  purchasing  power  does  not make  up for  the services                                                           
that  only the  state  can provide.  Should  these  bills  pass,  they                                                          
will  send  a  clear  message  that  our  purchasing   power  is  more                                                          
important than time-tested investment in the people, she said.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:24:20 PM                                                                                                                    
REBECCA  CRELLEY,  representing  self, Anchorage,  said  she supports                                                           
SB 23  and SB 24.  She voiced  support  for homeschooling  because  it                                                          
costs   less  per  capita   than  public   schools.   She  asked   the                                                          
committee  to realize  how many  people can't  afford  their rent  and                                                          
how  many really  need  the  PFD. She  listed  the elderly,  students                                                           
with debt, and families that rely on the foodbank.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:25:38 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  KRUPA,  representing   self,  Eagle  River,  said  he strongly                                                           
supports  SB  23 and  SB  24 and  the  Governor's  budget.  He  opined                                                          
that the  PFD will  give the  children a  future and  to take it  away                                                          
would be wrong.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:26:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CLIFFORD   JOHNSEN,   representing   self,   Palmer,   stated   strong                                                          
support  for SB  23 and  SB 24. He  said the  PFD boosts  the economy                                                           
and is  an example  to the  rest of  the world.  Giving  the money  to                                                          
the  government  would  destroy  what  Governor  Hammond  started,  he                                                          
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:27:34 PM                                                                                                                    
LATISHA  PORTERFIELD,  representing  self,  Anchorage,  stated  strong                                                          
support  for  SB 23  and SB  24.  She said  she  believes  the PFD  is                                                          
for the people, not the budget.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:28:07 PM                                                                                                                    
KEVIN  MCCABE,  representing   self  and  family,  Anchorage,   stated                                                          
support  for  SB  23  and  SB  24.  He  reminded  everyone   that  the                                                          
dividend  was designed  to give  Alaskans,  as the owners  of the  oil                                                          
and the  permanent  fund, an  indication  of how well  the government                                                           
was  managing  the people's  money.  He  said the  PFD should  not  be                                                          
connected  to  the budget  and  should  be discussed   separately.  He                                                          
recounted  that  Governor   Hammond  vetoed  the  original  permanent                                                           
fund   statute  because   he   believed   that  the   permanent   fund                                                          
belonged  to the  constitution  and a change  to it  was subject  to a                                                          
vote  of  the  people.  He  described  it  as  problematic   that  the                                                          
previous   legislature  thought   they  could   modify  the  dividend                                                           
payout  without  a vote  of  the people.  This  legislature  needs  to                                                          
right   the   wrongs    from   the   previous    administration    and                                                          
legislature.   Then we  can  talk  about  the  budget,  constitution,                                                           
and taxes, he said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:29:15 PM                                                                                                                    
OLIVIA  FELLERS,  representing   self,  Wasilla,  stated  support  for                                                          
SB 23  and SB 24.  She said  the permanent  fund was  not intended  to                                                          
be  part of  the  budget;  it was  a  separate  entity.  She believes                                                           
the  money should  be  returned  to the  people and  it  will be  paid                                                          
back  into the  economy.  She  urged the  committee  to vote  for  the                                                          
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:30:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER recognized that Senator Olson was in the audience.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:30:10 PM                                                                                                                    
JOSEPH  WALKER,  representing  self,  Anchorage,  stated  support  for                                                          
SB 23  and SB  24. He  said the  PFD helps  many Alaskans.  Taking  it                                                          
for  the  government   use  would  yield  a  short-term  benefit   and                                                          
ultimately  result  in  the  imposition  of  a  sales  tax  or  income                                                          
tax. The  people  need to hold  the State  of Alaska  accountable  for                                                          
the way it spends money.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:30:51 PM                                                                                                                    
BARBARA  DERR, representing  self,  Anchorage,  said  she's lived  and                                                          
worked  in Alaska  for 40 years  and her  kids have  received a  great                                                          
education  in  Alaska. She  said  she opposes  SB  23 and  SB 24.  The                                                          
people  aren't  legally  owed  the PFD  amounts  they  didn't receive                                                           
the  last three  years  and the  cost  of the  payback would  place  a                                                          
tremendous   burden    on  Alaskans.    It   will   cost   more   than                                                          
individuals  will  receive  in  cash  and  will  prolong  the current                                                           
recession.  She  said she  supports  using part  of the  PFD earnings                                                           
to fund  government  services  and  she recognizes  the  need for  new                                                          
sources   of   revenue,   but  not   those   currently   shared   with                                                          
municipalities   and   villages.  She   voiced  her   preference   for                                                          
reinstating the state income tax as a new source of revenue.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:31:53 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES  VUORG,   Unalaska  City  School  District,   Unalaska,   stated                                                          
strong  opposition  to SB  23 and SB  24. He  said a  couple thousand                                                           
dollars  more  in the  bank is  not  worth the  deprivation  it  would                                                          
cause.  "The students,  the youth,  the  future leaders  in education                                                           
are  more  important  and  more  essential  to  the  State  of  Alaska                                                          
than  a full  PFD," he  said. He  expressed  hope that  the committee                                                           
would not support the legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:32:58 PM                                                                                                                    
ANGELA  HILL,  representing  self,  Sitka,  said  she  opposes  SB  23                                                          
and SB  24 and does  not want  the PFD  payback to  happen because  it                                                          
takes  away from  education  funds.  She has  lived in  Alaska for  15                                                          
years,  is  a  special  ed  teacher,  a  parent,  and  a  therapeutic                                                           
foster  parent.  We  need to  do  everything  possible  to  keep  from                                                          
cutting  money  to  education,   she said.   The large  check   sounds                                                          
appealing  but  not if  you look  at the  whole  picture.  It will  be                                                          
detrimental   to  communities   and  the  state   in  many  areas   in                                                          
addition  to  education.   Think  about  how  this  will   affect  the                                                          
children and their futures, she said.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:34:06 PM                                                                                                                    
JARROD  SEEGERS,  representing   self,  Eagle River,  stated  support                                                           
for SB  23 and  SB 24 and  the budget.  He said  the PFD  is not  part                                                          
of  the budget  and he  views  taking  it away  the same  as removing                                                           
money from  his neighbor's  account.  He'd go to  jail for stealing.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:34:46 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  RICE, representing   self, Big  Lake,  stated full  support  for                                                          
SB  23  and SB  24  and  the  Governor's  budget.   He is  a  50  year                                                          
resident,  a  business  owner  and  employer.  He  reminded  everyone                                                           
that  state  politicians   and  individuals   have  a  duty  to  spend                                                          
within  their  means.  Giving  more  money   to state  government   is                                                          
clearly   nothing   more   than  a   temporary   fix,   he  said.   He                                                          
maintained  that  if  the state  could  spend  within  its  means,  it                                                          
could pay for things such as Pioneer Homes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:36:08 PM                                                                                                                    
KRISTEN   GREEN,   representing   self,   Anchorage,   said  she   was                                                          
speaking  in  opposition  to  SB 23  and  SB 24.  She  clarified  that                                                          
she  does  not  work  in  education,  public   health,  or  the  ferry                                                          
system  but she still  opposes  the use  of the supplemental  PFD  for                                                          
state  services.  She  sees reinstating  the  state  income  tax as  a                                                          
more wholistic approach to the budget.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:36:59 PM                                                                                                                    
BRANDEE  GERKE, representing   self, Juneau,  asked  the committee  to                                                          
oppose  SB  23  and   SB  24  and  pursue  a  framework   to  use  the                                                          
withheld   dividend   funds  to   pay  for   vital   state  services,                                                           
education,   health  care,  and  ferries.  She  said   paying  a  full                                                          
dividend  is no  longer  in the  best  interest of  the  state. It  is                                                          
time  to update  the proportion  of  the fund  paid in  dividends  and                                                          
to  develop  a plan  that  ensures  the  sustainability  of  the  fund                                                          
for  dividends  and state  services.  Update  the formula  and  reject                                                          
the  proposal  to pay  back  the dividends  withheld  the  last  three                                                          
years, she said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:38:05 PM                                                                                                                    
KASEY  MACKNEET,  representing  self,  Juneau,  stated  opposition  to                                                          
SB 23  and SB  24. She  talked about  the  escalating  cost of  higher                                                          
education  and  growing  class sizes.  She  said  she has  an average                                                           
of  46 kids  in  each of  her  classes and  questioned  how  kids  can                                                          
get  the  education  they  need  for  college  when  they  can't  even                                                          
form  a relationship  with  their  teachers.  She suggested  changing                                                           
a generation   by letting  them  know they  do not  need  a payout  to                                                          
support themselves.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:39:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CINDY  EDWARDS,  representing   self,  Sitka,  said she's  a  25  year                                                          
resident  and  she strongly  opposes  SB 23  and  SB 24.  She and  her                                                          
husband  chose  not to have  children,  they  are not  educators,  and                                                          
they  are  committed   to  the  health   of  Alaska.  People   in  her                                                          
community  work  very  hard  to  create  a thriving  environment   for                                                          
all  Alaskans,   not  an  extra  dividend   that  just  benefits   the                                                          
individual.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:40:15 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHNNY  ROBINSON,   representing  self,  Fairbanks,   stated  that  he                                                          
supports  the  restoration  of  the PFD  now  and  in the  future.  He                                                          
opined  that no  government  should  be  able to  dip into  a program                                                           
that was  made for  the people.  "The government  needs  to learn  how                                                          
to balance  the  budget,  or step  down." He  suggested  that parents                                                           
should  educate  their  kids,  not the  government.  He  further  said                                                          
that  people who  don't  need  or want  the dividend  should  be  able                                                          
to  donate it.  Those  who want  the  dividend  should be  allowed  to                                                          
keep it.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:41:12 PM                                                                                                                    
TROY  SWANSON,   representing   self,  Eagle   River,  stated   strong                                                          
support  for  SB 23  and  SB 24  because  the  dividend  supports  low                                                          
income  and poor  families.  He asked  legislators  to  look for  ways                                                          
to live within the existing revenue stream and not use savings.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:41:49 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM  STATON,  representing  self,  Fairbanks,  stated  that  he is  in                                                          
full  support  of  SB  23  and  SB  24.  He  said  he  voted  for  the                                                          
Governor  based on  his promise  to cut  the budget  and increase  the                                                          
PFD. He  agreed with  earlier  testimony  that the PFD  has generated                                                           
money  for the economy  and removing  it  caused a recession  that  is                                                          
ongoing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:43:25 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL  KELLY, representing  self,  Sitka,  stated full  support for  SB                                                          
23 and  SB 24  and a  smaller government.  "I  think that's  a  better                                                          
way for Alaska," he said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:43:49 PM                                                                                                                    
WINTER  MARSHALL  ALLEN,  representing  self,  Palmer, said  she's  an                                                          
educator,   a  mom,   and  a   property   owner.  Her   family   could                                                          
definitely  benefit  from  the extra  PFD  money,  she said,  but  not                                                          
at the  risk of  losing her  job. She's  nontenured  and could be  one                                                          
of  the teacher  who  does  not get  a contract   next year.  The  PFD                                                          
won't  cover my bills  if I  don't have  a job, she  said. She  stated                                                          
support  for an income  tax and  urged the  committee  not to support                                                           
SB  23 or  SB 24  in the  interest  of  the longevity  and  health  of                                                          
communities and Alaskans' livelihood overall.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:44:58 PM                                                                                                                    
HEATHER  HEPLER,   representing  self,  Chugiak,   said  she  and  her                                                          
family  fully support  SB 23  and SB 24.  It is not  government  money                                                          
and  the  budget   needs  to  be  cut.  She  suggested   a  flat  tax,                                                          
cutting   school  administrative   costs,   and  allowing  people   to                                                          
donate  their   PFDs  as  they  wish.   She  predicted  that   if  the                                                          
government takes the PFD it will impose a tax later.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:45:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CYNTHIA  NEIMEYER,  representing  self,  Fairbanks,  said  she  agrees                                                          
that  the  government  should  repay  the  PFD.  She maintained   that                                                          
government  should  be  able  to solve  its  budget  issues  with  the                                                          
revenue  it  receives   from  legal  marijuana,  property   tax,  pull                                                          
tabs, bingo, and gambling.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:46:49 PM                                                                                                                    
POLLY  HESSING,  representing   self, Anchorage,   said  she strongly                                                           
opposes  SB 23  and SB  24.  She shared  that  she's lived  in  Alaska                                                          
more  than 40  years,  is retired,  and  lives  on a  limited income,                                                           
just  as the state  does  right now.  She said  the PFD  is important                                                           
and  helpful,  but it  should  not  be an  incentive  to move  to  the                                                          
state.  She cautioned  against  using  the  principal  and mortgaging                                                           
the  future. She  urged  working towards  a  diverse  and sustainable                                                           
budget. She agreed with Andrew Smallwood's eloquent testimony.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:47:45 PM                                                                                                                    
RICH  CURTHER,   representing  self,   Anchorage,  reported   that  he                                                          
moved  to  Alaska  30  years  ago,  largely  because   of  the  strong                                                          
school  system.  He said he  strongly  opposes  SB 23 and  SB 24.  His                                                          
sons  went through  the  local  school  system and  they  have  chosen                                                          
to  stay   as  adults.  He   said  he  believes   that  education   is                                                          
critical to the youth of Alaska and the future of the state.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:48:27 PM                                                                                                                    
BETH  SHORT  RHOADS,  representing  self,  Sitka,  said  she strongly                                                           
opposes  SB 23  and SB  24.  She agreed  with  Senator von  Imhof  who                                                          
said,  "We   don't  have  a   fiscal  crisis,   we  have  a  priority                                                           
crisis."  She  described  the bills  as prioritizing   large handouts                                                           
over   education,   transportation,   jobs,   and  elder   care.   She                                                          
pointed  out  that  these  are  all  things  that  keep   the economy                                                           
strong  and Alaska  a  great place  to  live. She  suggested  that  if                                                          
the  Governor  wants   to  hand  out  retroactive  PFD  payments,   he                                                          
should  retrieve the  oil tax  credit revenue  that's  gone to  Texas.                                                          
Alternatively, she said, bring back the state income tax.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:49:23 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  VALERIE  EDWARDS,  MD,  representing  self,  Sitka  said  she  is                                                          
speaking  in opposition   to SB  23 and  SB 24.  She  maintained  that                                                          
there  was no reason  to increase  the PFD  given the  current  fiscal                                                          
situation.  She  shared  that she  was  raised with  the  values  that                                                          
tough  times require  personal  sacrifice  for the greater  good.  She                                                          
pointed  out that  the greater  good includes  funding  priorities  of                                                          
core  government   services   such   as  education,   infrastructure,                                                           
health  care,  public  safety,  and care  for  natural  resources  and                                                          
vulnerable  citizens.  She  said  many people  depend  on  the PFD  to                                                          
cover  expenses for  college,  fuel, health  care and  groceries,  but                                                          
if  the state  has  to cut  core  services  to pay  for  the dividend                                                           
these people are not better off.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
JOSEPH  CURRY, representing  self,  Anchorage,  said  he's lived  here                                                          
for more  than 25  years and  he strongly  supports SB  23 and SB  24.                                                          
He  agreed with  previous  testimony  that  Jay  Hammond  created  the                                                          
dividend   for  the  people,   not  the  government.   He  said   that                                                          
governor  advocated  for fiscal  responsibility,  which  is something                                                           
the  state doesn't  seem  to  understand.  He  suggested  that  rather                                                          
than  throwing  more money  at  education,  "it  should be  looked  at                                                          
in a way that would make it better."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:51:28 PM                                                                                                                    
BEN  MUSE, representing   self,  Juneau, said  he  opposes  SB 23  and                                                          
SB 24,  but he  believes  the upcoming  dividend  payments  should  be                                                          
made  according  to existing  state  law. He  noted that  many  people                                                          
have  been testifying  about  the  tough tradeoffs   between dividend                                                           
payments  and  other   programs  such  as  education   and  the  ferry                                                          
system.  He  suggested  that  a lot  of the  problems  stem  from  the                                                          
refusal  to consider  new revenue  sources.  He concluded  saying,  "I                                                          
think  that  is  crippling  our  ability   to  deal  with  the  budget                                                          
crisis that we're facing."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:52:21 PM                                                                                                                    
TULENA  HUDDLESTON,   representing   self,  Palmer,   said  she  is  a                                                          
retired  accountant,  a  mother,  and  grandmother  of  Alaskans.  She                                                          
said  she   supports  SB   23  and  SB  24  because   the  poor,   our                                                          
children,   and  our   grandchildren   need  it   to  pay  for   their                                                          
education.   She   believes   the  government   should   control   its                                                          
spending  and  that  an  income  tax is  a  better  approach  for  the                                                          
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:53:18 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFFERY  KNAUF,  representing  self,  Anchorage,  said  he  stands  in                                                          
full  support of  SB 23  and SB  24. He  called  a point  of order  to                                                          
say  that Alaska  is the  49th  state and  it ranks  49th  to 50th  in                                                          
every  category.  He  said  this  is  nothing  more  than  Einstein's                                                           
definition   of insanity.   You  can't  expect  a  different  outcome                                                           
when  you  continue  to overfund  what  doesn't  work.  It's  time  to                                                          
start over, he said.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:54:26 PM                                                                                                                    
AARON  HALL,   representing  self,   North  Pole,  said  he  strongly                                                           
supports  SB 23  and  SB 24.  He said  it's the  government's  job  to                                                          
protect  people,  not to  educate the  people;  that is  the parents'                                                           
job. He  said the  Governor was  elected  on the promise  to pay  back                                                          
the PFD  and legislators  should  remember  that. This  debate  should                                                          
not be  about which  service  is more important.  It  should be  about                                                          
balancing the budget and getting back to reality, he said.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:55:21 PM                                                                                                                    
BILL  AIKENS  representing  self,  said  he strongly  supports  SB  23                                                          
and SB  24 and  Governor Dunleavy's  wise  approach  to balancing  the                                                          
budget.  He  said  Alaska  has  a  moral  problem  with   a spiritual                                                           
root.  People who  have  spent years  spending  other  peoples'  money                                                          
expect  that  to continue.  The  Governor  doesn't  support  that.  He                                                          
maintained  that  the  solution  to  the  education  problem  lies  in                                                          
the   difference   between   Christian   and   home   schools   versus                                                          
Anchorage schools.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:56:25 PM                                                                                                                    
WENDY  ALDERSON,   representing   self,  Sitka,   said  she   and  her                                                          
husband  are  commercial   fishermen  and  30  year  residents.   They                                                          
live  in the  community  year  round and  shop  in local  stores.  She                                                          
stated  strong  opposition  to SB  23 and  SB 24.  She said  it  would                                                          
be  easy  to more  somewhere  warmer  in  the  off  season,  but  they                                                          
choose  to  live  in Sitka  because  of  the  quality  of  life.  This                                                          
includes  the  excellent   public  school  education   her  child  has                                                          
received.  She  said there  is  no way  a padded  dividend  will  make                                                          
up for  slashing  the education  budget.  An extra $1,500  won't  make                                                          
her  commit  to stay  in  a state  that  prioritizes  a  quick  buyoff                                                          
over  a  long  term  investment   in  the  children  of  Alaska.   She                                                          
voiced support for a reasonable dividend and an income tax.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:57:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MONICA  EASTHAM,  representing  self,  Sitka,  said she's  a lifelong                                                           
Alaskan  who  opposes  SB  23 and  SB  24.  She  maintained  that  the                                                          
money  should  go  to  sustain  important  services  like  education,                                                           
the  Pioneer  Home, and  the  Alaska  Marine  Highway.  She predicted                                                           
that many jobs would be lost if this legislation passes.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:58:16 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANE  BUNDY, representing   self, Kenai,  spoke  in high  support  of                                                          
SB 23  and SB 24,  restoring  the peoples'  money, and  the Governor.                                                           
She  offered  her view  that  the  government  needs  to be  cut,  and                                                          
that  the  education   system  is  broken.  More   money  is  not  the                                                          
solution, she said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:59:25 PM                                                                                                                    
GREG  WEAVER, representing  self,  Mat-Su,  said he'd  like the  state                                                          
to  get back  to basics  and  take care  of the  people  who've  lived                                                          
here  for  decades.  He  voiced  support  for more  politicians   like                                                          
Dick  Proenneke,   Jay  Hammond,   and  Sarah   Palin.  He  described                                                           
Anchorage   and  the  Valley  as  the  heartland   of the   state  and                                                          
maintained that they support coastal villages.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER asked if he supported or opposed SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER replied, "Kill um."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:00:37 PM                                                                                                                    
GREGORY  WHITE, representing   self, Anchorage,  said  he supports  SB                                                          
23  and  SB 24.  He's  received  the  PFD  since  1986.  The dividend                                                           
fund  was set  up  for the  people  and  was never  intended  to  fund                                                          
government programs or services.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:01:02 PM                                                                                                                    
FARLEY  DEAN,  representing  self,  Willow,  said  he's  a  father  of                                                          
four  and grandfather  of  nine. He  strongly  supports  SB 23 and  SB                                                          
24  and the  Governor's  budget.  More  than  enough  money  has  gone                                                          
toward education, he said.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:01:47 PM                                                                                                                    
RANDY  GRIFFIN,  representing  self,  Fairbanks,  said he  opposes  SB                                                          
23 and  SB 24 and  he hopes  there is a  way to opt  out of receiving                                                           
the  back  payments  should  the  bills  pass.  He said  he  plans  to                                                          
apply  for the  2019 PFD  and, just  as he's  done for  the last  four                                                          
years,  he'll  sign  the  check  over to  the  General  Fund  to  help                                                          
with  the deficit.  He said  he doesn't  mind  paying tax  on the  PFD                                                          
but  does  not  want  to  be  saddled  with   the  extra  tax  on  the                                                          
payback.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:02:49 PM                                                                                                                    
KRISTEN    HOMER,   representing    self,    Sitka,   stated    strong                                                          
opposition  to  SB  23  and  SB 24.  She  believes  the  supplemental                                                           
PFDs  the  Governor  proposed  will  be  harmful  to  the  state.  The                                                          
money  should  instead  be spent  on  education,  ferries,  Medicaid,                                                           
and other  essential  services.  She has  two children  in the  school                                                          
district,  and  she  works  as  a nurse  practitioner   in  a school-                                                           
based  health   clinic.  She  said   that  every  day  she   sees  the                                                          
benefit  that  quality  education   and  the  access  to  health  care                                                          
have  on Alaskan   youth. Because   they are  the  future  leaders  of                                                          
the state,  continuing  to invest  in the  educational  system is  the                                                          
best  investment  for  the future  of  Alaska.  Giving  individuals  a                                                          
few  extra dollars  is  short  sighted  and  will ultimately  cripple                                                           
the state, she said.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:03:55 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIDGET   HITCHCOCK,  representing   self,   Sitka,  said   she  is  a                                                          
mother  and a  physical  therapist  at  the local  hospital,  and  she                                                          
strongly  opposes   SB  23  and  SB  24.  She  said  the  legislation                                                           
proposes  a short  term  infusion  of  cash for  individuals,  but  it                                                          
will  take  away  from  essential   state  services  like  education,                                                           
ferries,   Pioneer   Homes,  and   health   care  that   benefit   all                                                          
Alaskans.   She   expressed   concern   about   the  effect   of   the                                                          
legislation on the viability of her community.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:04:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SARA  BEABER-FUJIOKA,  representing  self,  Sitka, said  she strongly                                                           
opposes   the  supplemental   PFDs.  Without  supplemental   revenues                                                           
these  payments  will  gut state  and  local budgets  leading  to  the                                                          
loss  of public  services  that  are  core  to a  civil  society.  She                                                          
said  government  is how  the  people  come together  to  meet  public                                                          
needs  and  provide  services  that individuals   cannot  organize  or                                                          
pay for.  This includes  public  schools,  the university,  Medicaid,                                                           
Pioneer   Homes,   and   the   ferry   system.    She  said   earlier                                                           
generations  of Alaskans  wisely  invested  oil revenues  to help  pay                                                          
for  services  when oil  revenues  waned.  She said  now  is the  time                                                          
to  use   the  allowable   portion   of  the  permanent   fund   in  a                                                          
sustainable way to support essential services.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:05:41 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  NEES,  representing   self,  Anchorage,  Alaska,  said  he  and                                                          
his family  voted  for Governor  Dunleavy  and they  fully support  SB                                                          
23  and  SB 24.  He  reminded  everyone  that  the  dividend  was  set                                                          
aside   as  the  peoples'   money   as  their  portion   of  the   oil                                                          
royalties.   "It  is  part  of  the  private   economy  and   that  is                                                          
exactly where it belongs," he said.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:06:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SIRI  SCHLIES,  representing  self,  Anchorage,  said  she  called  to                                                          
say,  "I'm for  the permanent  fund."  She  agreed with  the previous                                                           
testimony  that  this  is the  peoples'  money  as  their  portion  of                                                          
the oil  royalties  because the  oil on  private property  belongs  to                                                          
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:07:54 PM                                                                                                                    
NATASHA  LESKO,  representing  self,  Palmer, Alaska,  said  she is  a                                                          
small  business   owner  and   a  large  portion   of  her  clientele                                                           
depends  on the  PFD. She  firmly  believes in  the dividend  and  she                                                          
sees  that  it   is  good  for  the  economy,   small  businesses   in                                                          
particular.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:09:13 PM                                                                                                                    
DAN   POLTA,  superintendent,    Denali   Borough   School  District,                                                           
Healy,  Alaska,  stated opposition  to  SB 23  and SB  24. Should  the                                                          
bills  pass,  they  would  remove  important  tools  needed  to  solve                                                          
Alaska's   fiscal   morass.   He  drew   analogies   and   asked   the                                                          
committee  not  to lock  away  such important  tools  when  the  state                                                          
has  so much  work to  complete. He  pointed  out that  teachers  will                                                          
recover  if  they're  laid  off,  but  the  students   that  are  left                                                          
behind  will  have  less  support  in  learning  to  read,  write  and                                                          
problem  solve. He  worries about  their  ability to  gain the  skills                                                          
demanded  of workers  in a modern  economy  and secure  good jobs  and                                                          
help build Alaska into a great state for everyone.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JEANEAN  COREY, representing   self, Chugiak,  stated  support for  SB                                                          
23  and  SB 24.  She  said  government  should  manage   its finances                                                           
responsibly;  more  money doesn't  necessarily  solve  a problem.  She                                                          
offered  her belief  that home  schools are  more effective  and  cost                                                          
less than public schools.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:11:21 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE   MECKEL,   representing   self,   Fairbanks,    stated   strong                                                          
opposition   to  SB  23  and  SB  24.  He  said  he  believes   it  is                                                          
shortsighted    and   irresponsible    to    pay   large   dividends,                                                           
particularly   when  the  tradeoff   is  cuts  to  education,   health                                                          
care, and critical infrastructure.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  HUDDELSTON,  representing   self,  Palmer,  stated  support  for                                                          
reinstating  the  PFD,  the  new  Governor,  and  getting  the  budget                                                          
under  control.  He  pointed  out  that  Governor  Hammond  developed                                                           
the  PFD as  part  of the  state  royalty  system  and not  to  supply                                                          
money to the school system. That is a separate issue, he said.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:13:02  PM                                                                                                                   
CINDY  HIMMELBERGER,   representing   self,  Ketchikan,  stated   full                                                          
support  for  SB  23 and  SB  24. She  said  those  who  opposes  this                                                          
legislation   should   have  the  option   to  donate   their   share.                                                          
People  also have  the right  to vote  on  this matter.  She believes                                                           
that  the  education  system  needs  to  be reformed.   This includes                                                           
requiring everyone to contribute and halting free services.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:14:05  PM                                                                                                                   
BERVERLY  EDWARDSON   HUGO,  representing   self,  Utqiagvik,   stated                                                          
opposition   to   SB  23   and  SB   24.  She   argued   against   the                                                          
administration's   budget proposal  to  redirect  oil  property  taxes                                                          
from  local governments  to  the state.  "Don't  take from  the  North                                                          
Slope,  Arctic  slope. This  is  ours; this  is  from our  land,"  she                                                          
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:15:29  PM                                                                                                                   
JESSE   VIZCOCHO,    representing    self,   Anchorage,    urged   the                                                          
committee  to  pass SB  23  and SB  24 because  the  $2.3  billion  in                                                          
unpaid  dividends   sitting  in  the  earnings  reserve   is  owed  to                                                          
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:16:20  PM                                                                                                                   
ANTHONY  BAIOCCHI,   representing   self,  Wasilla,  said   he  stands                                                          
tall  with Governor  Dunleavy  and he  supports  SB 23 and  SB 24.  He                                                          
told  the  committee  to  remember   the  constituents  that  elected                                                           
them  to  support  right-sizing  the  government   and restoring   the                                                          
unpaid   PFD  money.   He  said  he   does  not   support  socialism,                                                           
Communism,  or  the  redistribution   of wealth   but recognizes   the                                                          
need to streamline a failed education system.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:17:19  PM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  SHOWER  thanked  the  testifiers  and  noted  that  his  office                                                          
had  received  more than  1,000  comments  between  written  and  oral                                                          
testimony.   He  said  everyone   who  signed   up  to  testify   this                                                          
evening  has  been heard  and  anyone  who had  not  had a  chance  to                                                          
call      in     could      submit      written      testimony      to                                                          
senate.state.affairs@akleg.gov.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:18:14  PM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  SHOWER closed  public testimony  on  SB 23 and  SB 24 and  held                                                          
the bills in committee.                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SSTA OFFICIAL AGENDA .pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
Agenda
SB 32 Transmittal Letter.pdf SJUD 2/6/2019 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 2/8/2019 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/11/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB 32 - Classification and Sentencing Highilghts.pdf SJUD 2/6/2019 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/4/2019 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/9/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/11/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/15/2019 6:00:00 PM
SSTA 4/16/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/18/2019 1:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB 32 - Classification and Sentencing Sectional.pdf SJUD 2/6/2019 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/4/2019 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/16/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/18/2019 1:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB 32-FN1-DPS.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB 32-FN2-DOL.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB 32-FN5-DHSS.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB32-FN6-DOC.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB32-FN-Court System.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB32-FN-DOA-Public Advocacy.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB32-FN-DOA-Public Defender Agency.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB 23 TL - Senate President.pdf SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/12/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB0023A.PDF SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/12/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB23 Sectional.pdf SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/12/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 24 TL - Senate President.pdf SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB0024A.PDF SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB24 Sectional.pdf SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/12/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB 24 Fiscal Note.PDF SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/12/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB 23 and 24 presentation.pptx SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/12/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 24
SB32 - Version A.pdf SJUD 2/6/2019 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 2/8/2019 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 2/9/2019 1:00:00 PM
SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/4/2019 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/9/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/11/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/15/2019 6:00:00 PM
SB 32
DOR S STA Letter.2.26.2019.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
DOR PFD Info
23&24 (IN FAVOR) Written Testimony(uploaded 03-06-19).pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 24
Written Testimony (IN FAVOR)
23&24 (NOT IN FAVOR) Written Testimony(uploaded 03-06-19).pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 24
Written testimony (not in favor)
23&24 (VARIOUS TESTIMONY) (uploaded 03-06-19).pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 23
SB 24
Written Testimony (various comments)
SB 32 Support Crime Bills AACOP.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32
SB 32 - PSEA Letter of Support.pdf SSTA 3/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 32