Legislature(2019 - 2020)BUTROVICH 205

02/28/2019 03:30 PM STATE AFFAIRS

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03:31:34 PM Start
03:32:13 PM Confirmation Hearing(s)
04:07:25 PM SB34
06:02:00 PM SB23|| SB24
08:06:28 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Commissioner-Designee Tshibaka, Department of
Administration
-- Teleconference Invitation Only --
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+= SB 34 PROBATION; PAROLE; SENTENCES; CREDITS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 34(STA) Out of Committee
+= SB 23 APPROP:SUPP. PAYMENTS OF PRIOR YEARS' PFD TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-Public Testimony on SB23/24 at Approx. 6:00 pm-
<Time Limit May Be Set>
+= SB 24 PFD SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-Public Testimony on SB24/23 at Approx. 6:00 pm-
<Time Limit May Be Set>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                                                                                                                                
        SB  23-APPROP:SUPP. PAYMENTS OF PRIOR YEARS' PFD                                                                    
                 SB  24-PFD SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENTS                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:02:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  23 "An                                                               
Act  making  special  appropriations from  the  earnings  reserve                                                               
account  for  the  payment  of   permanent  fund  dividends;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
and                                                                                                                             
SENATE BILL  24 "An  Act directing the  Department of  Revenue to                                                               
pay dividends to certain eligible  individuals; and providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He opened  public testimony and  limited testimony to  one minute                                                               
due to  the high level of  interest. He advised that  all written                                                               
testimony  submitted to  senate.state.affairs@akleg.gov would  be                                                               
entered into  the record. Committee members  present were Senator                                                               
Reinbold, Senator Micciche, and  Chair Shower, and Senator Bishop                                                               
was in the audience. He asked  all testifiers to be respectful of                                                               
the process and in their comments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:04:52 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID OTNESS,  representing self, Cordova, during  the hearing on                                                               
SB 23 and  SB 24, testified that he'd like  to see residents come                                                               
together as a state before the dividend money is returned.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:05:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLES  MCKEE, representing  self,  Anchorage, testified  during                                                               
the  hearing on  SB 23  and  SB 24  and noted  he also  submitted                                                               
written information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:07:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE PRAX,  representing self, Fairbanks, urged  the committee to                                                               
pass SB 23  and SB 24 with a "must  pass" recommendation. He read                                                               
AS 43.23.005(a)  and said the former  administration violated the                                                               
peoples' trust  by appropriating  less than the  statutory amount                                                               
from  the earnings  reserve to  the dividend  fund that  Alaskans                                                               
were entitled  to receive. He  opined that Alaskans have  a right                                                               
to  demand  payment   of  the  amount  that   was  withheld.  The                                                               
legislature should  honor this debt before  considering any other                                                               
expenditure, he said.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:08:42 PM                                                                                                                    
LARRY CALVIN,  representing self, Sitka, testified  in opposition                                                               
to SB  23 and  SB 24.  He questioned why  the governor  wanted to                                                               
clean up the  swamp of "those swampy things"  like education, the                                                               
ferry system,  swimming pools, and  towns. He opined that  it was                                                               
because  he and  his  well-off  associates do  not  want a  state                                                               
income tax.  He described the  PFD payback  as a bribe  that buys                                                               
the vote of  people who dearly need the  dividend. He recommended                                                               
reading  "Dark  Money"  by  Jane   Mayer  and  The  Corrosion  of                                                               
Conservationism: Why I Left the Right by Max Boot.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:10:10 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID NOON, representing self, Juneau,  stated that while he just                                                               
received his  15th PFD as an  Alaskan resident, he wanted  to add                                                               
his voice to those urging the committee  not to pass SB 23 and SB                                                               
24. "I don't think it's a wise  move," he said. He shared how his                                                               
family has put the dividends to  good use and that he understands                                                               
that  the  PFD  is  a  substantial  source  of  income  for  many                                                               
Alaskans. Reduced PFDs  would hit those Alaskans  the hardest but                                                               
in the long  term, reductions in schools,  hospitals, senior care                                                               
facilities,  and ferries  will hit  the most  vulnerable Alaskans                                                               
even harder. He urged the committee to look for other solutions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:11:35 PM                                                                                                                    
at ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:11:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER reconvened the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:11:55 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIAN  MERRIT,  representing  self,   Wrangell,  stated  that  he                                                               
opposes  both SB  23 and  SB 24,  but appreciates  the hard  work                                                               
legislators have  done to make  Alaska a great state.  He related                                                               
that he has lived in Alaska  for 51 years and taught fourth grade                                                               
for 29  years and  he would be  happy to donate  his PFD  to keep                                                               
education strong  and traditional  state services alive.  He said                                                               
he has  been a  commercial fisherman  for 40  years and  he wants                                                               
Wrangell to  continue to receive  fishing revenue through  tax so                                                               
the town can  continue to help support community  needs. He urged                                                               
the  committee  to  work  on drafting  legislation  that  sets  a                                                               
priority  for  state  services  first  and  the  PFD  second.  He                                                               
concluded  that, "The  PFD  is a  club that  is  going to  mangle                                                               
Alaska to the point that Alaskans  leave, and nobody will want to                                                               
move here."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:12:55 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBERT  HALL,  representing  self, MatSu,  predicted  the  failed                                                               
outcome of [SB  23 and SB 24] during the  regular session and the                                                               
likely   special  session   that   will   follow.  He   suggested                                                               
legislators think  now about  a resolution  that could  go before                                                               
the  people  this  summer  with  a  package  of  permanent  fund,                                                               
revenue,  and constitutional  amendments and  then go  to special                                                               
session.  Responding to  a question  from the  chair, he  said he                                                               
supports the bills as part of a package.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:14:20 PM                                                                                                                    
DONALD  WESTLAND, representing  self, Ketchikan,  stated that  he                                                               
opposes  both SB  23  and  SB 24  because  the  state can  afford                                                               
neither.  He paraphrased  the  last part  of  the Declaration  of                                                               
Rights in  art I,  sec 1,  Constitution of  the State  of Alaska,                                                               
"...that  all persons  are equal  and entitled  to equal  rights,                                                               
opportunities,  and  protection  under  the  law;  and  that  all                                                               
persons have corresponding  obligations to the people  and to the                                                               
State." He said  anybody who is using  entitlement programs needs                                                               
to  help pay  for them  and passing  these bills  will place  the                                                               
state in  a position of  economic hardship. He shared  that given                                                               
the  opportunity  he'd "Pick-Click-Give"  his  PFD  to the  ferry                                                               
system.  For  those  living  in Ketchikan,  the  ferry  is  their                                                               
highway.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:15:43 PM                                                                                                                    
JACK DETZEL,  representing self,  Delta Junction,  stated support                                                               
for  SB  23  and  SB  24.  He said  it  is  imperative  that  the                                                               
legislature right  the state's financial  ship and  quit spending                                                               
money. He opined  that the people who created  the permanent fund                                                               
would be  aghast at the previous  administration's activities. He                                                               
said Alaskans  who elected Governor Dunleavy  support these bills                                                               
and "there's  plenty of  opportunity for  you to  consolidate and                                                               
make state  services with  individual agencies  through important                                                               
ways to  cost-share and things  of that nature." He  implored the                                                               
committee to  do the foregoing  before taking any  more dividends                                                               
from the people  and to refund all the dividends  that were taken                                                               
from the people as soon as possible.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:16:48 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  SOL  NEELY,  PhD,  representing   self  and  his  8-year-old                                                               
daughter, Juneau,  said he  was speaking in  opposition to  SB 23                                                               
and SB  24. He  said he  shares Mr.  Teal's speculation  that the                                                               
governor's  budget was  designed to  create political,  economic,                                                               
and moral chaos. He opined that  a budget is a moral document and                                                               
this  budget promises  "moral horror."  He described  it as  dark                                                               
ideology  sourced  by dark  money  that  will destroy  the  state                                                               
economy  just when  it needs  to  diversify. He  said his  family                                                               
would happily  take thousand dollar  dividends or no  dividend at                                                               
all   to  support   building   the   state  infrastructure,   its                                                               
institutions, and economy.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:18:09 PM                                                                                                                    
JESSE BJORKMAN  representing self, Nikiski, stated  opposition to                                                               
SB 23  and SB  24. He  said the people  trust the  legislature to                                                               
govern  responsibly and  Alaskans  need  a responsive  government                                                               
more  than a  Keynesian cash  infusion that  will super-heat  the                                                               
economy, stress depleted state services,  and cost jobs when only                                                               
half the  Alaskans have work.  He pointed out that  Alaskans rely                                                               
on  government  to  manage  fish  and  game,  natural  resources,                                                               
educate kids, and respond to  emergencies. During times of budget                                                               
shortfall,   reserves   must   be    used   wisely   to   deliver                                                               
constitutionally mandated services that all  Alaskans rely on. He                                                               
said  the earnings  reserve account  is  intended to  be used  to                                                               
deliver constitutionally  mandated services  when oil  revenue is                                                               
low and  "a child's ability to  read and a citizen's  safety from                                                               
crime should not rely on the price  of a barrel of oil." He urged                                                               
the committee not to pass this shortsighted legislation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:19:09 PM                                                                                                                    
STEPHANIE CRONIN  representing self,  Seward, stated that  she is                                                               
adamantly opposed to  SB 23 and SB  24. She said she  and most of                                                               
the people  she's talked to  would gladly  give up their  PFDs if                                                               
that's what it  takes to maintain a viable  education system. She                                                               
described   the  proposed   25  percent   cut  to   education  as                                                               
"unthinkable"  and that  doesn't include  the cuts  to the  ferry                                                               
system, the  university, [Medicaid],  etc. She  said she  has two                                                               
school age children  and her family will leave Alaska  if the PFD                                                               
is  fully funded  at the  expense of  her children's  educational                                                               
opportunity. She  has lived  in Alaska  for 28  years and  been a                                                               
teacher for 22 years and  has received the presidential award for                                                               
excellence in  math and science  teaching, the BP Teacher  of the                                                               
Year for KPBSD in 2017, and  the Alaska State Teacher of the Year                                                               
alternate in 2017. She said  she has planned to continue teaching                                                               
and retire  in Alaska, but  she will  rethink that plan  if these                                                               
bills  pass. Their  negative consequences  will far  outweigh the                                                               
benefit, she said.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:20:16 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  MAYER,  Superintendent,  Yakutat  School  District;  and                                                               
president  of both  the Alaska  Council of  School Administrators                                                               
and  the  Alaska  Superintendent's Association,  Yakutat,  stated                                                               
opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.  He said the prospect of the state                                                               
paying  full   dividends  when  it  isn't   meeting  its  primary                                                               
financial  obligation of  funding education  is unacceptable.  He                                                               
said the PFD may  be important, but it should not  be a choice of                                                               
funding public education  or cutting it by 25 percent  to pay for                                                               
the dividend. He  is a 25 year resident of  Alaska and the father                                                               
of three voting children who  does not see benefit in dismantling                                                               
the  infrastructure  of the  state  and  encouraging citizens  to                                                               
leave the state.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
AMY SWEENEY,  representing self,  Sitka, stated opposition  to SB                                                               
23  and  SB 24.  She  said  the plan  will  take  money that  the                                                               
government needs  to pay for  essential services such  as schools                                                               
and  the state  ferry.  "I don't  want Alaska  to  become like  a                                                               
third-world  country  without  adequate  schools,  transportation                                                               
infrastructure  and medical  care," she  said. She  said she  was                                                               
willing to  give up her  PFD and pay a  state income tax  to make                                                               
money available for government services that everyone needs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:22:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SUE  LITMAN  representing  self,   Sitka,  stated  that  she  was                                                               
vehemently  opposed to  both  SB  23 and  SB  24.  She said  it's                                                               
sometimes  nice to  receive free  money,  but this  isn't one  of                                                               
those  times. The  dividend payments  the  Governor is  proposing                                                               
will  come  at the  expense  of  public  schools in  Alaska.  She                                                               
pointed  out  that  at  the  same  time  that  Governor  Dunleavy                                                               
proposes to  give Alaskans free  money, he proposes to  take back                                                               
money already allocated  to school districts for  FY19. Also, the                                                               
FY20  budget  has  an  approximate   25  percent  cut  to  public                                                               
education, 41 percent cut to the  university and a 75 percent cut                                                               
to the  ferry system. She said  this is shortsighted and  will be                                                               
an economic disaster for the state.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:23:54 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID BRIGHTON, representing  self, Kenai, said he  is the father                                                               
of three school-age children speaking  in opposition to SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24. He said it is a  serious mistake to pay large dividends at                                                               
the expense of state services. He  and his wife are talking about                                                               
leaving Alaska if  the education cuts stand and  the norm becomes                                                               
40 plus students per classroom.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:24:15 PM                                                                                                                    
GHERET  ABBOTT, representing  self, Ketchikan,  said he  supports                                                               
progressive and  honest taxation,  so he's  opposed to  using the                                                               
PFD and  the permanent  fund earnings  reserve for  revenue until                                                               
all other alternatives have been  exhausted. He opposes using the                                                               
PFD  and  the  earnings  reserve  for  revenue  until  all  other                                                               
alternatives  have  been  exhausted.  "I therefore  urge  you  to                                                               
restore the permanent fund dividend  to full, repay all the money                                                               
taken  from previous  dividends, and  instead fund  all essential                                                               
state services  through the institution  of a  progressive income                                                               
tax together with higher oil prices," he said.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:25:22 PM                                                                                                                    
EARL LACKEY, representing  self, MatSu, said he  realizes that it                                                               
is difficult  to cut  the budget  like the  governor has,  but it                                                               
still makes  sense because  paying out  the dividends  will jump-                                                               
start the economy  and "get things rolling like  they should here                                                               
in the  state." He  opined that  the budget  was cut  because the                                                               
school system,  which is  the worst  in the  nation, needs  to be                                                               
revamped. "These  cuts in the  long run  will ... make  it better                                                               
and move forward, so I am definitely for SB 23 and 24," he said.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:26:28 PM                                                                                                                    
LUANN MCVEY, representing self, Douglas,  said she believes it is                                                               
wrong  to give  out  [the PFD]  when there  is  such an  economic                                                               
shortage. Rather,  the focus should  be on revenues.  She pointed                                                               
out that one way to  improve the state's economic situation would                                                               
be  to stop  paying  oil tax  credits, and  a  way of  increasing                                                               
income for the  state would be to institute  a progressive income                                                               
tax. She said  she believes it is wrong to  give out the dividend                                                               
now unless it is means-based. She  said she values the quality of                                                               
life in Alaska, the schools, and the university.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:27:49 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD STEELE  representing self, Douglas, said  he's lived here                                                               
for 40  years and  collected the  first PFD  that was  $1,000. He                                                               
used it for a trip to Belize.  Both of his daughters and his wife                                                               
graduated  from  the  University  of Alaska  and  he  received  a                                                               
teaching certificate  from that institution. He  asked, "Which is                                                               
better, money in  my pocket or investment in education?  So I say                                                               
I  oppose  both   these  bills."  Instead,  use   the  money  for                                                               
infrastructure and education, he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
JANET MCCABE,  representing self, Anchorage, stated  that she was                                                               
speaking in opposition  to both SB 23 and SB  24. She pointed out                                                               
that  economists have  made it  clear that  extra-large dividends                                                               
and extreme  cuts are destructive  to the economic  stability and                                                               
fiscal  well-being  of  Alaska.  She  asked  the  legislature  to                                                               
instead  pass legislation  that  will provide  a modest  dividend                                                               
based on the percent of market  value system and a combination of                                                               
broad-based taxes to  fill the remaining fiscal  gap. "The Alaska                                                               
you  create  now will  be  a  legacy  for  our children  and  our                                                               
grandchildren," she said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:29:42 PM                                                                                                                    
BONNIE WOLDSTAD, representing  self, Fairbanks, stated opposition                                                               
to both  SB 23 and  SB 24. She  said when  she voted in  favor of                                                               
establishing the  permanent fund,  she also voted  to set  up the                                                               
savings  account. She  asked the  legislature to  consider moving                                                               
the money that was withheld from  the dividend into the corpus of                                                               
the fund.  She pointed out that  the PFD was initially  capped at                                                               
$1,000. She posited  that the state structure  and state services                                                               
have been  cannibalized and  it was time  to stop  seeking short-                                                               
term personal gain  and start looking for  long-term benefits for                                                               
the state. She thanked the  chair for scheduling the hearing when                                                               
working people could testify.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:30:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT MACMANUS  representing self,  Tok, said  he is  a life-long                                                               
Alaskan  who has  filed  for and  received  every permanent  fund                                                               
dividend and he is  strongly opposed to SB 23 and  SB 24. He said                                                               
he supports  the proper  funding of  government and  the original                                                               
intent of the fund to maintain  the state's ability to provide an                                                               
adequate  education   and  ensure   the  health  and   safety  of                                                               
residents.  He reminded  members  that the  fund  was created  to                                                               
replace  the  nonrenewable resource  of  oil  with the  renewable                                                               
resource of financial investments. It  was not intended to create                                                               
an entitlement. He  described the bills as  wedge issues designed                                                               
to  turn  Alaskans   against  each  other  and   their  backs  on                                                               
education, senior  citizens, those who  depend on the  PCE [power                                                               
cost equalization], or who need the ferry system.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:31:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE ILLG,  representing self, Homer,  said he has  a 10-year-old                                                               
daughter  and is  vehemently  opposed  to SB  23  and  SB 24.  He                                                               
described the promise  of a large dividend as a  disaster for the                                                               
state. Instead,  the state  needs to  ensure there  is sufficient                                                               
money  for public  education. He  said  it will  become a  public                                                               
safety  issue  if  public  education   is  cut  25  percent.  "My                                                               
testimony is against these two bills," he said.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:33:01 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  HEUER,  representing  self,  Sitka, he  said  he  has  a                                                               
daughter in  fifth grade.  He opposes  both SB 23  and SB  24 and                                                               
supports funding education and other  essential services to avoid                                                               
crippling  local  economies.  He   encouraged  the  committee  to                                                               
explore  all options  available  to safeguard  schools and  local                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:33:44 PM                                                                                                                    
AMY  AINSLIE  representing  self,  Sitka,  discussed  uncertainty                                                               
versus certainty  in her  testimony in opposition  to both  SB 23                                                               
and SB 24.  She opined that when resources are  scarce, the state                                                               
ought to have a high level  of certainty about the effects of its                                                               
spending. "Anything  else is an  irresponsible gamble."  She said                                                               
it is certain  that the governor's austere cuts  to services will                                                               
result  in job  losses, reduction  in services,  hinder mobility,                                                               
and  cripple Alaskan  communities. She  said it  is certain  that                                                               
everyone will be  impacted by the proposed cuts;  that sharing in                                                               
public services  and infrastructure  is a  more equitable  way of                                                               
sharing scarce funding than giving  extra dividends to people who                                                               
do not need it; and that the  funds used for the extra PFDs could                                                               
be used to offset losses  and increase certainty and stability in                                                               
communities.  It  is uncertain,  she  said,  that the  extra  PFD                                                               
dollars would stay in Alaska;  would have a significant impact on                                                               
employment; would stabilize the  housing market; or ensure access                                                               
to quality  education. She  urged the  committee to  vote against                                                               
both bills.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:35:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MARIE MCCONNEL representing self, Sterling,  said she has been in                                                               
Alaska  since  1994, has  received  a  dividend since  she  first                                                               
qualified for it, and she opposes both  SB 23 and SB 24. She said                                                               
passing these  bills is  analogous to  doing well  on a  diet and                                                               
then gaining back  all the lost weight plus some.  She said these                                                               
bills will  be devastating  after working so  hard on  the budget                                                               
the last  three years.  She said she  accepts a  reduced dividend                                                               
and having Alaskans share in the  cost of services as long as the                                                               
budget is close to what it has been the last three years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:36:16 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA STATTS,  representing self, Juneau,  said she is a  37 year                                                               
resident of Alaska  who has worked outside the  home in emergency                                                               
medicine  at  the  local  hospital.   She  was  speaking  on  her                                                               
grandchildren's behalf to  urge the committee to  vote against SB                                                               
23  and SB  24. She  said  the governor  has put  Alaskans in  an                                                               
awkward  position  by  proposing   to  strip  the  services  that                                                               
government should  provide. This will  cause chaos and  an exodus                                                               
from Alaska, she  said. She closed saying she  supports an income                                                               
tax and was willing to give up her PFD.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:37:48 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. VALERY BROOKS, PhD, representing  self, Ketchikan, said she's                                                               
been a  public school teacher  for many  years and is  urging the                                                               
committee to  deny passage of SB  23 and SB 24.  Her students are                                                               
the ones who will be impacted  by the budget that cuts 25 percent                                                               
from the K-12  school district budgets to make good  on a promise                                                               
to  pay dividend  amounts  that are  neither  rational nor  well-                                                               
advised. She  said paying inflated dividends  or those supposedly                                                               
owed  from  past  years  means   eliminating  the  ferry  system,                                                               
increasing  class   sizes,  and  reducing  school   programs  and                                                               
positions. "I am not in  favor of those permanent fund payments,"                                                               
she  said.  Eliminating  the  dividend   altogether  would  be  a                                                               
hardship for  many in  the state,  she said,  but failing  to use                                                               
some permanent  fund earnings to  offset the budget  crisis would                                                               
be irresponsible. "It is your  duty to provide education funding,                                                               
reduce oil tax credits, and fund the state," she said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:39:00 PM                                                                                                                    
LOY THURMAN, representing self,  MatSu, stated that he definitely                                                               
supports SB  23 and  SB 24.  He remarked  that the  testimony has                                                               
been overloaded by  teachers worried about cuts.  He recalled Jay                                                               
Hammond saying  that the politicians would  eventually come after                                                               
the money  that was specifically  designed for the people  of the                                                               
state to have.  That would hurt the poor, the  working class, and                                                               
the people with kids the most, he said.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:40:17 PM                                                                                                                    
BETH   FREAD   representing   self,  Homer,   described   it   as                                                               
disinformation  to say  that permanent  fund dividends  come from                                                               
the budget.  "They don't."  She said you  know that  the earnings                                                               
reserve is  dedicated to the  legislature and the  permanent fund                                                               
dividend is dedicated  to the people. She said she  was "all for"                                                               
SB 23 and SB 24 and  she entirely supports the governor's budget.                                                               
"I have heard he  has a red pen and he will use  it. And he won't                                                               
use it  on the  permanent fund dividends,"  she said.  She opined                                                               
that the legislature does not need  any more than the $16 billion                                                               
in the  earnings reserve. She  said it  was the billion  dollar a                                                               
year past leadership that put the state in the current position.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:41:48 PM                                                                                                                    
DOUG  HERGERT representing  self,  Wrangell, stated  that he  was                                                               
against many of  the cuts in the governor's budget  and he blames                                                               
it on  disappearing federal dollars  because of the tax  cut that                                                               
President Trump  signed. He pointed  out that the money  spent on                                                               
senior benefits goes right back  into the economies of individual                                                               
communities. He expressed  frustration about that cut  as well as                                                               
the cuts to ferries and education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:42:53 PM                                                                                                                    
JIM  CHEYDIEUR, representing  self, Fairbanks,  stated opposition                                                               
to SB 23  and SB 24. He said  it is the wrong time  to take money                                                               
that  is needed  for the  government. He  said it's  necessary to                                                               
stabilize the state's income, have broad-based (preferably non-                                                                 
regressive) taxes, adjust  oil taxes, and reduce  oil tax credits                                                               
from  which the  state receives  no benefit.  He opined  that the                                                               
budget should  support children,  elders, those  who are  ill and                                                               
disabled,  and ordinary  services to  ordinary citizens.  He said                                                               
taking money away from those  services to restore dividends won't                                                               
benefit  people. "I  can't take  my PFD  and buy  a teacher  do I                                                               
oppose SB 23 and SB 24," he said.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:44:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE COONS,  representing self  and as  president of  the Greater                                                               
Alaska Chapter  of the Association  of Mature  American Citizens,                                                               
Palmer, advised  that he would discuss  his support of SB  23 and                                                               
SB 24  based on the  socialist testimony he's heard  opposing the                                                               
bills  and calling  for a  progressive  income tax.  He said  the                                                               
solution  is   simple.  When  people  fill   out  their  dividend                                                               
application  they  can  Pick.Click.Give.  all or  part  of  their                                                               
dividend back  to the  state, to  education exclusively,  or they                                                               
could write  a personal  check to  the state  for what  they deem                                                               
fair as  a self-imposed  tax. If they  are concerned  about their                                                               
fellow Alaskans  being in  a financial bind,  they don't  need to                                                               
apply for  a PFD at  all, he said.  He said he  believes Governor                                                               
Hammond did  a great thing  for Alaskans  so they could  get full                                                               
return on the state resources. He  said he'll enjoy that fruit by                                                               
spending most of it back into the economy.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
HEATHER   ASSELIN,   representing   self,   Wasilla,   said   she                                                               
appreciates the effort  to reimburse the lost  dividends, but she                                                               
opposes  using  the fund's  earnings.  Also,  money for  the  PFD                                                               
should  not be  paid at  the expense  or sacrifice  of education,                                                               
health or wellbeing  of Alaska children and  families. "To accept                                                               
it would  feel dirty." She said  she is willing to  move past the                                                               
vetoed funds for the best interest of the state and people.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:46:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CRIS  EICHENLAUB,  representing  self,  Eagle  River,  asked  for                                                               
clarification that  money that is  appropriated for  the dividend                                                               
would not  go to education or  other state services if  SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24 did not pass.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  suggested he  send his  questions to  the committee                                                               
email.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. EICHENLAUB  recommended people use Click.Pick.Give.  and give                                                               
their dividend  to education. He  said he  supports SB 23  and SB                                                               
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:48:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SIMON GORBATY, representing self, Sitka,  said he was speaking in                                                               
opposition to SB 23  and SB 24. He came to Alaska  in 2008 and is                                                               
excited about starting a life and  raising his kids here. He said                                                               
that when he looks at these  bills and other parts of the budget,                                                               
he sees  a disaster for communities  and the state. He  asked the                                                               
committee to think  about people like himself and try  to make it                                                               
easier for young people to make a life in Alaska.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  said anyone like  Mr. Eichenlaub who  has questions                                                               
or input should send it to senate.state.affairs@akleg.gov.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:49:42 PM                                                                                                                    
COLLAUNA MARLEY,  representing self, Sitka, said  she appreciates                                                               
that  it is  difficult to  listen  to and  represent the  diverse                                                               
people of Alaska. She called to be  heard and to say she is upset                                                               
that  the exceptional  education  of her  two  children might  be                                                               
replaced with a  fat PFD check. "Quality education  in our family                                                               
is not optional,  it is a fundamental need," she  said. She noted                                                               
that  cuts   to  education   aren't  new.   Reading  specialists,                                                               
librarians, counselors, teachers, and  programs have already been                                                               
cut  to meet  budget  demands.  She described  this  budget as  a                                                               
devastating  blow  that will  cripple  small  town economies  and                                                               
education.  "Please don't  be shortsighted;  fight for  our kids'                                                               
education and our future, not a hefty PFD check," she said.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:50:53 PM                                                                                                                    
FRED  STURMAN,  representing  self,  Soldotna,  stated  that  the                                                               
Governor is doing exactly what he said  he was going to do, and a                                                               
lot of legislators who were  running promised people the PFD. The                                                               
Governor said he was going to  balance the budget and he's on the                                                               
way to  do that;  he said he  was going to  close the  fishery in                                                               
Cook Inlet and that's expected.  "People, don't cry about it," he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:52:12 PM                                                                                                                    
KARLA HART,  representing self,  Juneau, said  she is  a lifelong                                                               
Alaskan. She clarified that to the  best of her knowledge she and                                                               
other testifiers  were not working  from talking points.  "We are                                                               
working off of our reality," she  said. She said she opposes both                                                               
SB 23 and SB 24. Alaska still  needs a solid fiscal plan and that                                                               
should  be a  legislative  priority. She  stated  support for  an                                                               
income tax  and a modest  dividend. She  said in addition  to the                                                               
concerns that  have been expressed,  she is very  concerned about                                                               
cost transfers  to local governments.  If local  governments have                                                               
to increase  property taxes, that  will be reflected in  the cost                                                               
of living for housing and people  won't be made harmless with the                                                               
larger  dividend.  "I  think  we  need to  put  this  money  into                                                               
government," she said.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:53:25 PM                                                                                                                    
DONNA  SCHULTZ, representing  self, Juneau,  said she's  received                                                               
the dividend  for each of the  38 years she's been  in Juneau and                                                               
would gladly give them  up. She opposes both SB 23  and SB 24 and                                                               
believes an income tax is needed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:54:03 PM                                                                                                                    
JANALEE  GAGE  representing self,  Ketchikan,  said  she was  not                                                               
working from  talking points and  she opposes  both SB 23  and SB                                                               
24.  She is  a sixth  generation  Alaskan and  she remembers  the                                                               
first PFD.  She suggested everyone  should read  the constitution                                                               
and think  about who  will suffer from  the Governor's  cuts. She                                                               
said it's time as  a state to put the income  tax question on the                                                               
ballot and let the people decide.  She said she would gladly give                                                               
up her  PFD to  make sure that  essential services  are available                                                               
now and for future generations.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:55:30 PM                                                                                                                    
RAYCE  WITTNER,  representing  self,  MatSu, said  she  does  not                                                               
support  either SB  23 or  SB  24. These  payments mean  possibly                                                               
moving out  of Alaska and taking  her college fund with  her. She                                                               
questioned how job  losses would help the state.  She shared that                                                               
her mother  is in college and  works for a nonprofit.  They don't                                                               
have health care  now and she questioned whether  they would ever                                                               
have it if her mom is unable to  find a job. She said, "I may not                                                               
be able to  vote, but I will  be the one providing  for your care                                                               
in the  future." Solutions are  tough, she  said, but we  need to                                                               
balance cuts with revenues.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:56:33 PM                                                                                                                    
GEORGE PIERCE representing self,  Kasilof, urged the committee to                                                               
pass SB 23  and SB 24. "We  want the PFD payback, all  of it," he                                                               
said. He said the people  own the resources and Governor Dunleavy                                                               
was voted  into office  by the  people to give  the PFD  back. He                                                               
suggested cutting  wasteful spending in Juneau;  he believes cuts                                                               
are needed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:57:41 PM                                                                                                                    
VIKKI JO KENNEDY, representing self,  Kodiak, said she opposes SB                                                               
23 and SB  24 as currently written. She is  proud to call herself                                                               
an  Alaskan,  she agrees  with  the  testimony from  Bonnie  from                                                               
Fairbanks, and she loves the  Governor. However, she now realizes                                                               
that  he  bought the  state  by  promising everyone  $3,600.  She                                                               
opined that what he did was illegal.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:59:07 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVE  AND  NOEL  MAXWELL,  representing self,  Palmer,  said  the                                                               
Governor ran  on the platform of  cleaning the state up  and as a                                                               
former  state employee  he  can attest  that there  is  a lot  of                                                               
corruption,  even today.  Some  of this  has  been corrected  but                                                               
there is  more to  be done.  Before we take  money that  has been                                                               
obligated to  the people in  the permanent fund, we  should clean                                                               
up the  state and find  efficiencies, he said. Responding  to the                                                               
chair's question,  he said  he absolutely supports  SB 23  and SB                                                               
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:00:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT HAYDEN, representing self,  Anchorage, said he opposes both                                                               
SB  23 and  SB 24.  It's  not a  good  idea to  cut schools,  the                                                               
university, health  care, ferries,  elder care, and  public media                                                               
just to  increase the size of  the dividend, he said.  "You can't                                                               
buy a teacher or functioning  university with a bigger dividend,"                                                               
he said. Please  find a way to fund government,  even if it means                                                               
a small dividend and an income tax.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:01:16 PM                                                                                                                    
WILLIAM QUAYLE, representing self,  Juneau, said he supports both                                                               
SB 23 and  SB 24. He uses  the dividend for his  business, and he                                                               
supports  a state  lottery instead  of an  income tax.  He opined                                                               
that the state needs six refineries and $2 gasoline.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:02:36 PM                                                                                                                    
RALPH WATKINS, Superintendent, Hoonah  City Schools, Hoonah, said                                                               
he  opposes both  SB 23  and  SB 24  for the  reasons that  other                                                               
teachers  and  superintendents  have   stated.  The  dividend  is                                                               
important  but not  at the  sacrifice of  education, he  said. He                                                               
advised  that  the proposed  budget  for  the Hoonah  schools  is                                                               
$560,000 which is  equivalent to the entire  teaching budget. The                                                               
25   percent  cut   means  no   schools  in   Hoonah,  which   is                                                               
unacceptable, he said.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:03:28 PM                                                                                                                    
JOY LYON, representing  self, Juneau, said she  likes free money,                                                               
but  she loves  Alaska  more. It's  not worth  it  if the  larger                                                               
dividend  takes  books  out  of  the  hands  of  young  children,                                                               
shortchanges  K-12  students,   shutters  the  local  university,                                                               
hobbles communities  without ferries, and makes  the Pioneer Home                                                               
unaffordable for  elders. She  said Alaska is  a young  state and                                                               
she believes  it's time  to grow  up and get  an income  tax like                                                               
most other states.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
KYNEDI  CLARK, representing  self, MatSu,  stated that  she is  a                                                               
sixth grade honor  roll student who opposes SB 23  and SB 24. She                                                               
said her  younger sister  won't be  able to  go to  preschool and                                                               
have the same early start she  got. She said this matters because                                                               
she tests  above the  national average.  She emphasized  that the                                                               
claim that  Alaska's children are  not educated is not  true. She                                                               
questioned  how  cutting education  will  help  improve the  test                                                               
scores of children who aren't  as fortunate as herself. Regarding                                                               
eligibility, she said sending the  backpay out of the state won't                                                               
improve  the   local  economy.   She's  thought   about  possible                                                               
solutions  and realizes  that legislators  have a  difficult job.                                                               
She asked  the committee  to, "Please  remember that  even though                                                               
kids are  20 percent of our  population, they are 100  percent of                                                               
your future."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:05:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY TONY,  representing self, Soldotna,  said she voted  for the                                                               
Governor based on his promise to  pay back the PFD. She said it's                                                               
the  right and  responsibility of  the government  to tax  and to                                                               
invest in  the children  of Alaska. She  does not  support making                                                               
payments to  oil companies. She  said after the  dividend backpay                                                               
she would be  open to stopping the PFD if  it's necessary. Listen                                                               
to the people, she said.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:06:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MATH  TRAFTON,  representing self,  Sitka,  said  he is  strongly                                                               
opposed to  both SB 23 and  SB 24. He is  gravely concerned about                                                               
the Governor's  proposed budget cuts  and scared for  the fishing                                                               
industry,   seniors,  ferries,   hospitals,   schools,  and   the                                                               
university  system. People  with  the  least financial  resources                                                               
will be  hurt the  most, he  said. More  money in  each citizen's                                                               
pocket seems  like a good idea,  he said, but not  at the expense                                                               
proposed. He said  regardless of the original plans  for the PFD,                                                               
it's time to adapt.  He urged the committee to find  a way to put                                                               
money  into critical  state funds  to avoid  the worst  financial                                                               
crisis the  state has ever seen.  He said he would  be willing to                                                               
sacrifice the  PFD and  pay income  tax if  it means  getting the                                                               
state  back   on  track   without  devastating   essential  state                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:07:53 PM                                                                                                                    
ZOE TRAFTON,  representing self, Seward, Alaska,  stated that she                                                               
is  in  7th  grade,  enjoys  school a  lot,  and  is  opposed  to                                                               
additional  PFD   payouts.  She  and  her   friends  enjoy  their                                                               
electives, band  in particular. She  shared that a  favorite part                                                               
of her day  is the elective robotics class.  She highlighted that                                                               
with the  budget cuts to  education, important electives  such as                                                               
art, woodshop, and  band may disappear. Because  music plays such                                                               
a vital role  in Sitka, cutting band would impact  many. She said                                                               
electives are  important and teach students  valuable skills. She                                                               
said she  opposes both SB  23 and SB 24  and would be  willing to                                                               
give  her PFD  equivalent to  schools to  help keep  them running                                                               
smoothly.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER advised  that individuals have the  option to return                                                               
their dividends to the general fund.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY JANE  "MJ" LEGRANDE, representing self,  Juneau, stated that                                                               
three of her  four children and one grandchild  reside in Juneau.                                                               
She opposes  SB 23 and SB  24 because they serve  individuals and                                                               
not community  needs or the  future of  the state. She  asked the                                                               
committee to take care of the state, not individuals.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:10:01 PM                                                                                                                    
KATIE PITTMAN,  representing self,  Juneau, said  she has  been a                                                               
teacher in Barrow and the Aleutians  and has seen the impact that                                                               
budget  decisions  have  on communities  around  the  state.  She                                                               
voiced support for looking at other  sources of income to make it                                                               
possible to continue to offer these services.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if she  supports or  opposes SB 23  or SB                                                               
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. PITTMAN replied she opposes both bills.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:11:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MELODY  JORDAN, representing  self,  Seward, stated  that she  is                                                               
adamantly opposed  to SB 23  and SB 24  and the entire  budget as                                                               
currently proposed. She said her  daughter and nieces and nephews                                                               
have  attended the  public school  system and  she believes  that                                                               
public  education should  always  be a  priority. She  emphasized                                                               
that  there  should not  be  a  PFD  payback  at the  expense  of                                                               
education and  other necessary services.  The cost is  too great,                                                               
she said.  Another cost that  is not being considered,  she said,                                                               
is the  cost of so  many Alaskans who  are choosing to  leave the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:12:39 PM                                                                                                                    
ED  MARTIN  JR.  representing  self, Coopers  Landing,  said  his                                                               
family  has been  in Alaska  since before  statehood. He  and his                                                               
children have  received the dividend  and he supports both  SB 23                                                               
and SB 24.  He pointed out that  the state is living  on a three-                                                               
legged stool and it  is time to build a fourth  leg. The only way                                                               
to  do this,  he  said, is  if  the people  have  money in  their                                                               
pockets and  land to build  on. He  reminded the members  who had                                                               
voiced support for  the payback to carry through  and support the                                                               
bills.  He  highlighted  the  83  percent  support  in  1999  for                                                               
maintaining the dividend and urged  the committee to do the right                                                               
thing.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:14:02 PM                                                                                                                    
GLENN CRAVEZ, representing self,  Anchorage, voiced opposition to                                                               
SB 23 and SB  24. He said free money is wonderful  but not at the                                                               
expense  of public  education, public  safety,  health care,  and                                                               
transportation.  These essential  public services  should not  be                                                               
sacrificed. He reiterated his opposition to both bills.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN CORBEL,  representing self,  Homer, stated that  PFDs often                                                               
helped provide  the basic needs of  her family of seven.  She was                                                               
proud to receive her teaching  degree in 2012 from the University                                                               
of Alaska and she currently  teaches fifth grade at Anchor Point.                                                               
She hopes  to continue. She  opined that PFDs are  important, but                                                               
it should not be a choice  of either public education or PFDs and                                                               
a  25 percent  cut to  education. She  emphasized that  lives are                                                               
being  profoundly   affected  and  real  people   want  realistic                                                               
solutions, not  reactions. She agreed  with the sixth  grader who                                                               
pointed out  that children today  are 100 percent of  the future.                                                               
She  asked the  committee to  place her  on record  as a  38-year                                                               
Alaska resident who opposes both SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:16:13 PM                                                                                                                    
KARI  SAGEL, representing  self,  Sitka, said  she  is a  teacher                                                               
speaking in  opposition to SB  23 and SB  24. She said  she would                                                               
like to apply  the money toward her bills but  not at the expense                                                               
of early  childhood education. She  favors using the PFD  to help                                                               
balance the  budget and  she supports  a progressive  income tax.                                                               
She said  she wanted to use  the balance of her  allotted time to                                                               
complete  Mr.  Calvin's testimony.  He  said  there is  no  place                                                               
better  to live  than Sitka.  Everyone in  Alaska feels  that way                                                               
about  their community  and state  and  the proposed  legislation                                                               
will not achieve a better future for our children.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:17:31 PM                                                                                                                    
KATE JOHNSON,  representing self, Sitka, stated  opposition to SB                                                               
23 and  SB 24. She  reported that she  graduated from UAA  with a                                                               
degree in  early childhood education  and is  teaching preschool.                                                               
Her children  benefit greatly from the  outstanding Sitka schools                                                               
where the  phenomenal teachers  support their  academic learning,                                                               
music, and  art. Some of  these teachers, health  care providers,                                                               
fishermen, and others are putting  their houses on the market and                                                               
considering  leaving the  state.  She said  living  in Alaska  is                                                               
expensive  and it  is  beneficial  to receive  the  PFD, but  the                                                               
payments  will  bring  just  short-term  benefit.  The  long-term                                                               
consequences  will drive  people  out of  the  state. She  voiced                                                               
support  for  education,  health care,  social  services,  public                                                               
radio,  the Pioneer  Home, the  Alaska State  Highway, and  other                                                               
state services.  I want my  money to go  to these places  to help                                                               
make Alaska the place we want to call home, she said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:18:39 PM                                                                                                                    
HARVEY  BRANDT,   representing  self,  Sitka,  stated   that  his                                                               
children and grandchildren were raised  and educated in Sitka and                                                               
are all very  successful. He said he is vehemently  opposed to SB                                                               
23 and SB 24 and would like  the talk about Alaska being broke to                                                               
stop  because it's  a  myth. The  state has  $65  billion in  the                                                               
permanent fund and  that fund was not created to  just pay checks                                                               
to  Alaskans.  He  asked  that   the  resource  be  reserved  for                                                               
education,  the  ferry  system,  hospitals  and  other  essential                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER noted that Senator Costello joined the committee.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:20:15 PM                                                                                                                    
RANDY VIRGIN, representing self,  Anchorage, said he's upset that                                                               
the Governor has  created the false choice  between receiving the                                                               
PFD payback  and state services. That  should not have to  be the                                                               
choice, he said. He agreed  with previous testimony that there is                                                               
enough money to  payback the PFD and balance the  budget. He said                                                               
he didn't  want to take a  position on the bills  because it's in                                                               
the context of the budget that there is so much opposition to.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:21:35 PM                                                                                                                    
LILI SANTORO,  representing self, her husband,  and her daughter,                                                               
Anchorage, stated  opposition to SB  23 and SB 24.  She described                                                               
the Governor's campaign  promise regarding the PFD as  a bribe to                                                               
buy Alaskans'  votes while  he planned  to gut  education, health                                                               
care, transportation,  and ultimately  jobs. She  said this  is a                                                               
diversion  technique  that  serves  the  purpose  of  distracting                                                               
attention from  the big  money paid  out in  oil tax  credits and                                                               
out-of-state no-bid  contracts. She said her  family would gladly                                                               
give  up their  PFD  to  see the  state  prosper.  She asked  the                                                               
Governor to lead by example.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:22:37 PM                                                                                                                    
KIM NELSON,  representing self, Fairbanks, said  he is definitely                                                               
in support  of SB  23 and  SB 24. He  believes in  the Governor's                                                               
budget and  taxes. He observed  that the testimony appears  to be                                                               
one sided  and he hopes that  people who support the  payback can                                                               
make their views clear.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:23:36 PM                                                                                                                    
BETH HACK,  representing self,  Soldotna, said she  is a  49 year                                                               
resident of  Alaska who supports  SB 23 and  SB 24. She  said the                                                               
dividends go  right back into  the local economy and  help people                                                               
pay their  utilities. She  maintained that  the money  is legally                                                               
the peoples'  and they were meant  to have it. People  who do not                                                               
support the payback can opt for Pick.Click.Give.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
GLEN BUTTS,  representing self, Big  Lake, stated support  for SB                                                               
23 and SB 24.  He said the PFD is in  exchange for mineral rights                                                               
that Alaskans  do not receive. The  money was supposed to  be put                                                               
into a separate fund for the  people and it muddies the waters to                                                               
say it  should be used for  education, he said. "I'd  really like                                                               
my money back so I'm definitely for the bills."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:25:54 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNETTE  CLARK, representing  self, Fox,  said she  has lived  in                                                               
Alaska since  1951 and has  followed the permanent fund  from the                                                               
beginning. She  said the  earnings reserve  account has  over $16                                                               
[billion] and the government has a  $5.25 [billion] draw on it to                                                               
pay for government programs. It's restitution time, she said                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:27:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MARGO O'CONNEL,  representing self,  Sitka, said she  is speaking                                                               
today because she opposes the Governor's  budget and SB 23 and SB                                                               
24. She  was born and raise  in Sitka and has  benefited from the                                                               
resources  available   in  the  community,  many   of  which  are                                                               
supported  by  the  state.  She  opined that  the  goal  of  each                                                               
generation should  be to  make sure that  the next  generation is                                                               
better  off  than the  last.  She  posited  that if  this  budget                                                               
passes,  young people  won't have  money  to move  to Alaska  and                                                               
locals  won't  be able  to  stay.  The educational  opportunities                                                               
won't be the  same, there will be fewer jobs,  the cost of living                                                               
will  be  higher, and  fishing  communities  will be  devastated.                                                               
Without  the Alaska  Marine Highway  System, communities  will be                                                               
isolated from the  rest of the state. She  concluded her comments                                                               
saying  she  supports  having  a   balanced  budget  but  cutting                                                               
services that  benefit everyone  is not the  way to  achieve that                                                               
goal.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:28:19 PM                                                                                                                    
ANGELA BOWERS,  representing self,  Sitka, said she  was speaking                                                               
as a  concerned citizen in  opposition to both  SB 23 and  SB 24.                                                               
She shared  that she is  a mother and  faculty member at  UAS and                                                               
that  her  family  would  benefit   from  the  supplemental  PFD.                                                               
However,  the extra  money is  not worth  the tradeoff  of having                                                               
large  class sizes,  no more  raw fish  taxes for  the community,                                                               
less  money for  Medicaid, and  a gutted  university system.  She                                                               
opined  that the  proposed cuts  will  ultimately cost  residents                                                               
more  than the  supplemental payments.  She said  strong schools,                                                               
great  communities,  health  care, and  post-secondary  education                                                               
opportunities will sway  people to stay in Alaska,  not the extra                                                               
$3,000.  She   asked  the  committee  to   instead  allocate  the                                                               
supplemental  PFD money  to essential  services that  communities                                                               
need for a strong future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:29:33 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE WASHBURN, representing self, Kenai,  stated that he is a 63                                                               
year  resident of  Alaska who  supports SB  23 and  SB 24.  "It's                                                               
something that we all need back," he said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:30:27 PM                                                                                                                    
KIM   HAYES,   representing   self,  Anchorage,   stated   strong                                                               
opposition to  SB 23 and  SB 24. She  is a lifelong  Alaskan with                                                               
kids  in  the public  school  system.  She  shared that  she  was                                                               
calling  while  attending  her daughters  public  school  science                                                               
fair, which  demonstrates how  important she  and her  family see                                                               
this issue. She said that the  bills create the false notion that                                                               
the only  options are supersized  PFDs or gutted  essential state                                                               
services. Instead, she supports a  reasonable dividend and a real                                                               
plan that keeps Alaska open for business.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:31:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  BOWLES,  representing  self,   Palmer,  stated  that  he                                                               
supports both SB 23 and SB  24. He offered his understanding that                                                               
the  PFD  replaces  the peoples'  landowner  mineral  rights.  He                                                               
suggested that if these bills  fail, legislation should be passed                                                               
giving  the PFD  to only  those  that own  land in  Alaska and  a                                                               
payout system  based on  the number  of years  the land  has been                                                               
owned. The PFD  is money owed to Alaska landowners  for giving up                                                               
their  mineral  rights,  not  to fund  government,  he  said.  He                                                               
suggested that  people who  want the PFD  to go  toward education                                                               
should  earmark  their  dividend   checks  for  their  children's                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:32:37 PM                                                                                                                    
JULIE SMYTH, representing self, Fairbanks,  said she is an Alaska                                                               
Native and  single mother who opposes  both SB 23 and  SB 24. She                                                               
depends  on  many of  the  state  social programs,  education  in                                                               
particular, for her  children and herself. As a  UAF student, she                                                               
is trying  to better her  life and  ultimately pay back  into the                                                               
system and help future single mothers.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:33:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL MAUSBACK,  representing self,  Sitka, said he  opposes SB                                                               
23 and  SB 24. He shared  that he is an  educational professional                                                               
who  is neither  a socialist  nor talking  point scripted.  He is                                                               
concerned that the plan the  Governor has proposed will eliminate                                                               
jobs, increase the  cost of living, and put the  state at risk of                                                               
a brain drain. He opined that  many Alaskans will vote with their                                                               
feet  if vital  services  are  cut. He  expressed  hope that  the                                                               
legislature would  reject the PFD  payout and  instead reallocate                                                               
the  money  towards  pre-K and  K-12  education,  the  university                                                               
system, public  broadcasting, the Alaska Marine  Highway, pioneer                                                               
homes,  and   other  state-supported  community   services.  "The                                                               
Governor's plan  will devastate the economy  and this apocalyptic                                                               
budget is a threat to  our children, businesses, schools, elders,                                                               
and  environment,"  he  said.  He said  he  supports  a  balanced                                                               
budget, but the proposed plan  is unsustainable. He added that he                                                               
supports either a reduced or an eliminated PFD.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:34:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK SPRINGER,  representing self,  Bethel, said  he has  been an                                                               
Alaska resident  since 1976 and  received the first  dividend. He                                                               
described  SB 23  and SB  24  as an  attempt by  the Governor  to                                                               
coerce  Alaskans  into forgoing  vital  state  services. He  said                                                               
we're  smarter than  that  and listed  the  services he  supports                                                               
including,  WWAMI where  Alaska  gets its  doctors, public  media                                                               
because  the Internet  doesn't carry  basketball games  called in                                                               
Yupik, Mount Edgecombe  High School and its pool,  and power cost                                                               
equalization. He said he also supports a state income tax.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:35:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MERRIE  CULP-WASHBURN, representing  self, Kenai,  stated support                                                               
for SB 23 and SB 24. She said  this is fair; "We're happy to give                                                               
our dividends away, but we want to do it ourselves."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:36:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLIE  PIERCE,  representing   self,  Kenai,  reminded  elected                                                               
officials  that  the Governor  was  elected  on the  platform  of                                                               
getting  expenditures in  line with  revenues and  supporting the                                                               
statutory  requirements  for  the  permanent  fund.  He  said  he                                                               
supports SB  23 and SB  24 and  hopes that legislators  will keep                                                               
the voice  of the  people in  the last election  in mind  as they                                                               
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:37:29 PM                                                                                                                    
JEANINE BROOKS,  representing self, Sitka,  said she is  a school                                                               
social worker  speaking in firm  opposition to  SB 23 and  SB 24.                                                               
She encouraged the committee to  think about the long-term effect                                                               
that cutting  essential services will  have on the health  of the                                                               
state.  She said  the dividend  isn't always  good for  the young                                                               
people in  the state  who are  too young to  vote. Her  office is                                                               
often filled  with traumatized kids  when the dividend  comes out                                                               
in October  because people are  using their dividends  on alcohol                                                               
and drugs,  not groceries or  fuel. This is hurting  families and                                                               
kids. She reiterated her opposition to the bills.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:38:31 PM                                                                                                                    
RICK MOORE,  representing self, Soldotna,  stated support  for SB                                                               
23 and SB 24. He said  the government needs to stop spending more                                                               
money  than it  has. He  supports the  Governor and  the proposed                                                               
budget and  believes that the  spending on education  is yielding                                                               
little to nothing.  He pointed out that the  university is losing                                                               
accreditation yet  is asking  for more money.  He said  it's okay                                                               
with him  to cut the PFD,  but mineral rights should  be returned                                                               
to  the  people.  He  acknowledged   that  the  PFD  helps  local                                                               
economies. He maintained  that teachers who oppose  the bills are                                                               
simply trying to protect their jobs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CARL  CLARK,  representing  self  and  his  wife,  Homer,  stated                                                               
support for  SB 23 and  SB 24. He  said Alaskans receive  the PFD                                                               
because Alaska  property owners  do not  have mineral  rights. He                                                               
advised that  education is  funded through  a separate  fund, and                                                               
having home  schooled their  children he knows  that it  does not                                                               
take $18,000  per child per  year. "It's  what you do  in school,                                                               
not where  you do  it," he  said. He  reiterated support  for the                                                               
bills.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:41:50 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE  MONTAGNA, representing  self,  Sitka, stated  that  he is  a                                                               
proud parent, teacher,  and resident of Sitka who  is speaking in                                                               
opposition  to  SB 23  and  SB  24 and  thus  in  support of  his                                                               
students who  are the future  of the  state. He doesn't  count on                                                               
the dividend and  will get a second job before  he counts on that                                                               
extra money.  However, he  will work extra  hours to  provide for                                                               
his students  and ensure  that classes  are not  overcrowded, and                                                               
kids  don't  fall through  the  cracks.  These students  are  the                                                               
future and need to be served well by keeping money in education.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:43:00 PM                                                                                                                    
DEB  SCHULTZ,  representing self,  Chugiak,  stated  that she  is                                                               
opposed  to SB  23 and  SB 24.  She has  received every  dividend                                                               
since the beginning, but she  does not support un-sustained draws                                                               
from the permanent fund. Quality  schools are much more important                                                               
than a  dividend. "Please protect  the fund and the  dividend for                                                               
our grandchildren and their grandchildren," she said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:43:54 PM                                                                                                                    
OLE  CHRISTENSON, representing  self,  Fairbanks, stated  support                                                               
for SB  23 and  SB 24.  He suggested everyone  keep in  mind that                                                               
legalizing marijuana  amounted to a  modern day gold rush.  It is                                                               
generating enough money to support  anything the government wants                                                               
to do. Thus the state should  return his and his neighbors' money                                                               
and "get away from the three [men] on a shovel syndrome."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:44:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  TAVOLIERO,   representing  self,  Eagle   River,  stated                                                               
support for  SB 23 and SB  24. He opined that  the people's money                                                               
should be returned.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
JOSEPH CAYABYAB,  representing self,  Seward, stated  support for                                                               
SB  23 and  SB  24. He  said  it  is the  people's  money and  he                                                               
supports the Governor's initiative.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:45:53 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANE  HOLMES,  representing  self, Anchorage,  shared  that  Jay                                                               
Hammond told  her that he  never expected  to give with  one hand                                                               
and take  with the other. She  said legislators don't need  to be                                                               
reminded  that it  is the  government's job  to provide  adequate                                                               
services. She  pointed out that the  people who need the  PFD may                                                               
also need  Medicaid, education, ferry  service, and  public radio                                                               
and TV. She said the  PFD should not be constitutionalized unless                                                               
the  legislature's crystal  ball  tells how  many prisoners  will                                                               
need to be  fed and students will need to  be educated. "You know                                                               
that we cannot cut  our way out of this crisis  so don't kick the                                                               
can down  the road anymore."  She suggested  legislators initiate                                                               
an income tax and perhaps  a one-half percent statewide sales tax                                                               
on purchases up to $1,000.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:47:16 PM                                                                                                                    
JENNIFER REED,  representing self, Sitka, asked  the committee to                                                               
reject  SB  23  and SB  24.  She  shared  that  she is  a  third-                                                               
generation Alaskan, a public school  teacher, and a member of the                                                               
working  middle  class  who  does   not  support  the  Governor's                                                               
proposed budget. She said she  and her family have benefited from                                                               
the PFD, but  she does not support taking money  from reserves to                                                               
put money  in people's  pockets. She requested  the PFD  money be                                                               
used to fund education and essential services.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
JANICE  CHANDLER,  representing  self,  Kasilof, said  she  is  a                                                               
senior citizen  who depends  on the  PFD to  pay her  land taxes,                                                               
maintenance  on  her  car,  and  heat in  the  winter.  Thus  she                                                               
supports SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:48:54 PM                                                                                                                    
FORREST   KUIPER,  representing   self,  Seward,   stated  strong                                                               
opposition to SB 23  and SB 24. He said he  is a lifelong Alaskan                                                               
who wants  to spend  the rest  of his life  here, but  the budget                                                               
cuts are  causing he and his  wife to rethink those  plans. Their                                                               
daughter  is  in  kindergarten  and the  cuts  to  education  are                                                               
unacceptable. Paying  a supersized PFD  and then cutting  K-12 25                                                               
percent,  the University  of Alaska  41 percent,  and the  Alaska                                                               
Marine Highway 75 percent does  not provide a sustainable future.                                                               
He urged the committee to make  the right decision and oppose the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:50:12 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENDON HOPKINS, representing self,  Sterling, stated support for                                                               
SB 23  and SB  24. Acknowledging  that the  budget is  a separate                                                               
issue,  he pointed  out that  state  spending over  the last  two                                                               
decades  has  outpaced  inflation   and  population  growth.  The                                                               
proposed cuts should be viewed in that light, he said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:51:49 PM                                                                                                                    
HAROLD  BORBRIDGE,  representing  self, Anchorage,  testified  in                                                               
support  of  SB  23 and  SB  24.  He  cited  an ISER  report  and                                                               
extrapolated that  taking the  PFD is equivalent  to the  loss of                                                               
18,000 to  20,000 private sector  jobs. He also pointed  out that                                                               
the most vulnerable  Alaskans would be most affected  by the loss                                                               
of the PFD.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:53:49 PM                                                                                                                    
GRACE BROOKS, representing self,  Sitka, stated strong opposition                                                               
to SB  23 and SB 24.  She said everyone benefits  more from state                                                               
services  that a  big PFD.  The Governor's  proposed budget  will                                                               
destroy  education, public  media, the  ferry system,  and health                                                               
care, among others.  This is short sighted and  will not maintain                                                               
viable  communities. She  stated  support for  an  income tax  to                                                               
maintain essential  services. She  clarified that  she is  not an                                                               
educator and has no children in  the school system, but she knows                                                               
that children  are the  future. She urged  the committee  to vote                                                               
against the bills.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:54:42 PM                                                                                                                    
LINDA SCHANDELMEIER, representing self,  Fairbanks, said she is a                                                               
lifelong Alaskan who paid a state  income tax in the past and she                                                               
opposes both SB 23 and SB  24 and the Governor's proposed budget.                                                               
The PFD should  not be paid at the expense  of essential services                                                               
such as  education. She  said she  is particularly  worried about                                                               
the 41  percent cut  to the  university system.  This is  not the                                                               
right approach, she said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:55:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SUZANNE  DUTSON,  representing  self,  Juneau,  stated  that  she                                                               
opposes SB 23  and SB 24 and the Governor's  defense of the "high                                                               
speed dive to the bottom of  the oil barrel budget proposal." She                                                               
is the mother of two adult  children who were educated in Alaska.                                                               
One  daughter is  a preschool  teacher and  the existing  funding                                                               
deficiencies  have  resulted  in  a  two-year  waitlist  at  that                                                               
preschool.  She said  kids need  school  more than  PFDs and  her                                                               
grandson's mother  is considering  leaving the state  because the                                                               
educational  opportunities are  becoming  more  limited. She  too                                                               
will leave  and take  her considerable  retirement with  her. "We                                                               
cannot keep  using the PFD  as a political bargaining  chip," she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:57:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MORRIS NASSUK, representing  self and his kids,  Koyuk, said he's                                                               
a Native who  has lived in Koyuk his entire  life and he supports                                                               
both SB  23 and SB  24. The economy in  his area isn't  very good                                                               
and his  family has depended on  the dividend from the  start. He                                                               
talked about the relatively small  tax that oil companies pay. He                                                               
offered  his perspective  that education  and teachers  have done                                                               
little to help people in rural Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:58:45 PM                                                                                                                    
GREG  WEIBER, representing  self, MatSu,  reminded everyone  that                                                               
the Governor  was overwhelmingly elected just  like Donald Trump.                                                               
He looks  forward to seeing Mr.  Dunleavy turn Alaska on  its ear                                                               
just as Mr.  Trump has done in Washington, DC.  His preference is                                                               
to have a constant amount in  the dividend and is very happy with                                                               
the proposed budget.  He supports getting rid of  dead weight and                                                               
unnecessary jobs and holding oil companies responsible.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:00:01 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHERINE  PRUSSIAN, representing  self, Sitka,  said she  is the                                                               
parent of two future voters,  and she works in natural resources,                                                               
not education. She  opposes SB 23 and SB 24  and has received the                                                               
dividend from  the start.  She has  loved receiving  the dividend                                                               
and would  love receiving many  more, but  not at the  expense of                                                               
state  services.   She  emphasized  that  no   one  deserves  the                                                               
dividend,  but  everyone deserves  safe  places  to live,  access                                                               
between communities,  and quality public education.  She supports                                                               
using permanent fund earnings to  support state services, but not                                                               
the PFD  payback. She encouraged  the committee to  think outside                                                               
of  the box  and consider  income taxes  and increased  education                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:01:20 PM                                                                                                                    
DALTON STOKES, representing self,  Anchorage, spoke in support of                                                               
SB 23  and SB  24. He maintained  that teachers  don't understand                                                               
that wealth has  to be produced, he called people  who read their                                                               
testimony  fake,  and he  emphasized  that  the dividend  is  not                                                               
welfare. He said there are a lot  of things he can't say over the                                                               
teleconference,  but he  will say  them on  the Eddie  Burke Show                                                               
tomorrow.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:02:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLES  LESTER,  representing  self,  Delta  Junction,  said  he                                                               
definitely supports  SB 23 and SB  24 and is behind  the Governor                                                               
and his  budget proposal. He has  lived in Alaska since  1973 and                                                               
plans to  spend the  rest of his  life in the  state. He  and his                                                               
very  large family  are doing  well in  the Delta  area and  they                                                               
support the budget  cuts. It's time to stop kicking  the can down                                                               
the road, he said.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:04:00 PM                                                                                                                    
BERT HOUGHGALING,  representing self, Big Lake,  pointed out that                                                               
the university  was designed to  fund itself and the  K-12 system                                                               
has a  budget that  is three  times higher  than states  with the                                                               
equivalent  population. Rethink  how schools  are done  and start                                                               
doing more online. "Lets eliminate  these overhead and high costs                                                               
in  areas   that  are   doing  nothing   but  surviving   off  of                                                               
government's money."  He said  he supports  SB 23  and SB  24 100                                                               
percent and returning the POMV to the constitutional formula.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:05:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER apologized  to the  people  that were  not able  to                                                               
testify tonight  and advised that  there would be  an opportunity                                                               
to testify next  Tuesday and Thursday evenings from  6:00 to 8:00                                                               
pm. There is also the option to send in written testimony.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[SB 23 and SB 24 were held in committee.]                                                                                       

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Commissioner Tshibaka Resume.pdf SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
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Letters of Rec-Comm Tshibaka Assorted.pdf SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SB 34 Transmittal Letter.pdf SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SB 34
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SB 34
SB 34 Highlights.pdf SSTA 2/21/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SB 34
SB0034-1-2-012319-LAW-N.PDF SSTA 2/21/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB0034-2-2-012319-COR-Y.PDF SSTA 2/21/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SB 34
SB0034-3-2-012319-COR-Y.PDF SSTA 2/21/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/26/2019 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB34-GOA Bills Matrix 2-22-19 - DRAFT STA CS.pdf SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 34 Support Crime Bills AACOP.pdf SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 - PSEA Letter of Support.pdf SFIN 4/30/2019 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 2/28/2019 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 23 TL - Senate President.pdf SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SB 23
SB0023A.PDF SSTA 2/5/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SSTA 3/7/2019 3:30:00 PM
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SB 23
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SB 23
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