Legislature(2019 - 2020)BUTROVICH 205

03/13/2020 03:30 PM RESOURCES

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*+ SJR 15 STATE FULL SHARE OF PROFITS IN ANWR TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
*+ SB 184 EXTEND FISHERY RESOURCE LAND. TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 130 SEAFOOD PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= SB 232 PERSONAL USE FISHING PERMIT FEES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
            SB 232-PERSONAL USE FISHING PERMIT FEES                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:08:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be SENATE BILL NO. 232, "An  Act relating to personal use fishing                                                               
permits."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:08:34 PM                                                                                                                    
KONRAD   JACKSON,   Staff,   Senator   Micciche,   Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, explained  that SB 232 addresses the                                                               
impacts of the  dipnet fishery that face  Cook Inlet communities.                                                               
This   includes  burdens   on  local   services,  infrastructure,                                                               
handling of excess fish waste,  and litter. He directed attention                                                               
to the photos in the packet  that illustrate the situation at the                                                               
mouth of  the Kenai  River, noting that  sometimes there  is some                                                               
disregard for  beaches, residents,  and property owners  near the                                                               
fisheries. He said Chair Micciche  is familiar with the situation                                                               
because that area is in his district.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He said  the dipnet  influx does bring  some revenue,  but before                                                               
the City  of Kenai instituted  a small  fee for beach  access and                                                               
camping it shouldered  the entire burden with  no assistance from                                                               
the State.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JACKSON explained  that SB  232 institutes  a $5  fee for  a                                                               
personal  use  fishing permit.  As  currently  drafted, the  bill                                                               
would split the  fees between communities where  the personal use                                                               
fisheries  take place  with the  remaining funds  staying in  the                                                               
general  fund  to  assist  fisheries  that  are  outside  of  the                                                               
municipalities. He  reiterated that  the fee  will cover  some of                                                               
the infrastructure and support services  where the fisheries take                                                               
place,  and  noted that  the  Chitina  fishery instituted  a  $15                                                               
permit to help  clean up some of the mess  that resulted from the                                                               
fishery.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JACKSON  said  the  $5  fee currently  would  apply  to  all                                                               
personal use fisheries  in the state, but the  sponsor intends to                                                               
offer an amendment to focus on the Cook Inlet dipnet fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:11:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI  asked if he  said that  the fee would  apply to                                                               
every personal use  fishery, but a pending  amendment would limit                                                               
the focus to just the Cook Inlet fisheries.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON  answered yes. He  said as currently written  the fee                                                               
would apply to all personal  use fisheries, including the Chitina                                                               
fishery, and that was never the intention.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KAWASAKI asked  how the $5 fee would be  allocated to the                                                               
other fisheries.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON restated  that the ultimate intent is for  the $5 fee                                                               
to  apply  to  and  be  used for  the  Cook  Inlet  personal  use                                                               
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  noted  that  the  Copper  River  personal  use                                                               
fishery  creates waste  that impacts  a  downriver community.  He                                                               
asked  if  the  downriver  community would  receive  support  for                                                               
cleanup.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JACKSON reiterated  that the  focus is  on the  fisheries in                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:14:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE, sponsor of SB  232, clarified that his intent was                                                               
to introduce the  bill and then introduce  a committee substitute                                                               
(CS) for strictly  Cook Inlet. The fee will offset  both the City                                                               
of   Kenai's   management   costs   and   the   Kasilof   River's                                                               
infrastructure for restrooms, boat ramps, and cleanup.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL remarked that the  $5 fee is acceptable. He asked                                                               
how many people participate in the personal use dipnet fishery.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JACKSON  replied the  city  manager  of Kenai  probably  has                                                               
accurate numbers. He noted that the  City of Kenai does an annual                                                               
report on infrastructure impacts following the fishery.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:15:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE opened public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:15:47 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL  OSTRANDER,  City Manager,  City  of  Kenai, Kenai,  Alaska,                                                               
testified in  support of SB  232. He said  the City of  Kenai has                                                               
been supporting  the personal  use fishery  since 1996.  He noted                                                               
that the photos  presented to committee members are  from 2010 or                                                               
2011,  before  the  city  actively  managed  fish  waste  on  the                                                               
beaches. The  city has increased  management and services  in the                                                               
area and  is very  proud of  the experience  they provide  to the                                                               
dipnet participants.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  detailed that  with the  rapid growth  of the  fishery, which                                                               
peaked  in 2011  and 2012,  the city  established a  personal use                                                               
fishery fund  to buffer  the volatility tied  to fish  runs. They                                                               
charge  for  parking, camping,  and  boat  launching to  generate                                                               
enough revenue to support the fishery and provide services.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. OSTRANDER said the city  has seen decreased revenue from fees                                                               
over the last two  or three years and the worry  is that the city                                                               
will  soon need  to subsidize  fishery expenses  from the  city's                                                               
general fund. For example, the city  had a net loss of $95,000 in                                                               
FY2019  and  a  net  loss  of $3,000  last  year  after  reducing                                                               
expenditures by $56,000. The city  is seeing people accessing the                                                               
Kasilof River or the Kenai River at different locations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. OSTRANDER  pointed out  that the  Alaska Division  of Mining,                                                               
Land, and  Water (DMLW)  manages the  Kasilof fishery.  The State                                                               
does not allow  DMLW to charge fees, but  their annual management                                                               
budget  is   approximately  $50,000   to  $60,000.  The   $5  fee                                                               
allocation would generate $40,000 for the Kasilof fishery.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:20:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI  asked Mr.  Ostrander to go  over the  fees that                                                               
the City of Kenai charges people who fish in the dipnet fishery.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OSTRANDER  answered  that  the  city  charges  for  camping,                                                               
parking, beach drop-offs, and boat launches.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI asked  if the  City of  Kenai has  increased it                                                               
rates to make up for recent budget deficits.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OSTRANDER answered  that the  City of  Kenai last  increased                                                               
fees  in 2015.  The city's  current boat  launch fees  are higher                                                               
than  what the  State charges.  The  city believes  that any  fee                                                               
increases would  create diminishing returns where  people seek to                                                               
access the fishery from other locations.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REVAK  said he is  very fond of  the Kenai River  and has                                                               
frequented the  personal use fishery  over the years. He  said he                                                               
finds the  city's fees expensive  and spreading out  the proposed                                                               
user fees would be appropriate.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE said the intent of  the bill is to find a low-cost                                                               
way of spreading  out impact from the personal  use fisheries. As                                                               
the City  of Kenai  has increased fees,  people are  finding less                                                               
expensive  ways  to  dipnet fish  without  participating  in  the                                                               
city's maintenance.  More people are  going to the  Kasilof River                                                               
where there are no facilities, and that impacts the State.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:24:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  held SB  232 in  committee with  public testimony                                                               
open.                                                                                                                           

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SB 184 Sponsor Statement 02.18.2020.pdf SRES 3/13/2020 3:30:00 PM
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