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04:36:18 PM Start
04:37:14 PM Confirmation Hearing: Fisherman's Fund Advisory and Appeals Council
04:59:20 PM Confirmation Hearing: Big Game Commercial Services Board
05:20:10 PM Confirmation Hearing: Board of Game
06:20:00 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Big Game Commercial Services Board Confirmation TELECONFERENCED
Hearings
<Public Testimony>
+ Board of Game Confirmation Hearings TELECONFERENCED
<Public Testimony>
*+ SB 207 SPORT FISH LICENSE EXEMPTION TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
+= SB 209 DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR OIL & GAS LEASES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 118 RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 340 PETERSVILLE RECREATIONAL MINING AREA TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee on 4/4/12
-- Above Bill Moved Out of Committee 4/4/12 --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 6, 2012                                                                                          
                           4:36 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joe Paskvan, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Thomas Wagoner, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                           
     Fisherman's Fund Advisory and Appeals Council                                                                            
          Clay Bezenek, Ketchikan                                                                                               
          James Herbert, Seward                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                       
          Michael Meekin, Palmer                                                                                                
          Michele Metz, Douglas                                                                                                 
          Donald Quarberg, Delta Junction                                                                                       
          Brenda Rebne, Anchorage                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Board of Game                                                                                                            
          Bob Mumford, Anchorage                                                                                                
          Theresa Sager-Albaugh, Tok                                                                                            
          Lynn Keogh, Jr., Anchorage                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 207                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to exemptions for a resident hunting and sport                                                                 
fishing license and to taking fish and game by proxy for a                                                                      
person with mental or physical disabilities."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 209                                                                                                             
"An Act  relating to oil and  gas or gas only  leasing; requiring                                                               
that a  minimum work commitment be  included in each oil  and gas                                                               
and gas  only lease and  that a  proposed plan of  development be                                                               
included in an application for an  oil and gas or gas only lease;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 118(FIN)                                                                                                  
"An  Act relating  to a  tax  credit for  qualified research  and                                                               
development expenditures; and providing for an effective date."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 340                                                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to the  reservation of  certain mining  claims                                                               
from  all uses  incompatible with  the purposes  for establishing                                                               
the Petersville Recreational Mining Area."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 340 OUT OF COMMITTEE ON 4/4/12                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CLAY BEZENEK                                                                                                                    
Ketchikan, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT: Testified  as appointee  to the  Fisherman's                                                             
Fund Advisory and Appeals Council.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JAMES HERBERT                                                                                                                   
Seward, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT: Testified  as appointee  to the  Fisherman's                                                             
Fund Advisory and Appeals Council.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JERRY MCCUNE, President                                                                                                         
Cordova District Fishermen United                                                                                               
Cordova, AK                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported appointments  of both  Mr. Bezenek                                                             
and  Mr. Herbert  to the  Fisherman's Fund  Advisory and  Appeals                                                               
Council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MARK SALDI, representing himself                                                                                                
Skagway, AK                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported appointments  of both  Mr. Bezenek                                                             
and  Mr. Herbert  to the  Fisherman's Fund  Advisory and  Appeals                                                               
Council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL MEEKIN                                                                                                                  
Palmer, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Testified  as  appointee to  the  Big  Game                                                             
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MICHELE METZ                                                                                                                    
Douglas, AK                                                                                                                     
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Testified  as  appointee to  the  Big  Game                                                             
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DONALD QUARBERG                                                                                                                 
Delta Junction, AK                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Testified  as  appointee to  the  Big  Game                                                             
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT FITHIAN, Executive Director                                                                                              
Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                                                                         
Lower Tonsina, AK                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the  appointments of  Michele Metz                                                             
and Donald Quarberg to the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BOB MUMFORD                                                                                                                     
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Board of Game.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
THERESA SAGER-ALBAUGH                                                                                                           
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Board of Game.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LYNN KEOGH, Jr.                                                                                                                 
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Board of Game.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TINA BROWN, representing herself                                                                                                
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Opposed appointment  of  Mr.  Keogh to  the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GREG BROWN, representing himself                                                                                                
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the appointment of  Mr. Mumford to                                                             
the Board of Game, but not Mr. Keogh.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ART GREENWALD, representing himself                                                                                             
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr.  Keogh's appointment to the Board                                                             
of Game.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JOE KLUTSCH, representing himself                                                                                               
King Salmon, AK                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Fully supported  Mr. Mumford's appointment to                                                             
the Board of Game.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, Co-Chair                                                                                                         
Back Country Hunters and Anglers                                                                                                
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported the  appointments of Mr. Keogh, Ms.                                                             
Albaugh and Mr. Mumford to the Board of Game.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BOB FITHIAN, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                                                                         
Lower Tonsina, AK                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported the  appointments of Mr. Keogh, Ms.                                                             
Albaugh and Mr. Mumford to the Board of Game.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE, representing himself                                                                                             
Kasilof, AK                                                                                                                     
opposed Mr. Keogh's appointment to the Board of Game.                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LYNNETTE MORENO-HEINZ, representing herself                                                                                     
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Ms. Metz's appointment  to the Big                                                             
Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KENNETH BARBER, representing himself                                                                                            
Palmer, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the appointments of  Mr. Keogh and                                                             
Ms. Albaugh to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ROD ARNO, Executive Director                                                                                                    
Alaska Outdoor council                                                                                                          
Palmer, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the  appointments of  Ms. Albaugh,                                                             
Mr. Keogh and Mr. Mumford to the Board of Game.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PATTY BARBER, representing herself                                                                                              
The Butte, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the appointments of  Mr. Keogh and                                                             
Ms. Albaugh to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MELVIN GROVE, President                                                                                                         
Prince William Sound Charter Boat Association                                                                                   
Big Lake, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the  appointments of  Ms. Albaugh,                                                             
Mr. Keogh and Mr. Mumford to the Board of Game.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MIKE CRAWFORD, President                                                                                                        
Safari Club International                                                                                                       
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported the  appointments of Mr. Keogh, Ms.                                                             
Albaugh and Mr. Mumford to the Board of Game.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOE LETARTE                                                                                                                     
Alaska Trappers Association                                                                                                     
Two Rivers, AK                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR, Chairman                                                                                                      
Fairbanks Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                                                                      
North Pole, AK                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the appointments of  Mr. Keogh and                                                             
Ms. Albaugh to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR, representing himself                                                                                          
North Pole, AK                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Personally supported  the appointments of Mr.                                                             
Keogh, Ms. Albaugh and Mr. Mumford to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
YOLANDA DELACRUZ, representing herself                                                                                          
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed  the appointment of Mr.  Keogh to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA WINKLEY, representing herself                                                                                           
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed  the appointment of Mr.  Keogh to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:36:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS WAGONER  called  the  Senate Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 4:36  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Wielechowski,  French, Co-Chair  Wagoner and                                                               
Co-Chair Paskvan.                                                                                                               
^Confirmation  Hearing:  Fisherman's  Fund Advisory  and  Appeals                                                               
Council                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                     CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:37:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER   said  the  committee  would   first  take  up                                                               
confirmation  hearings and  the  first would  be the  Fisherman's                                                               
Fund Advisory  and Appeals Council  appointees: Clay  Bezenek and                                                               
James Herbert.  He invited Mr.  Bezenek to tell them  out himself                                                               
and why he wanted to serve another term on the council.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:37:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CLAY  BEZENEK, appointee  to the  Fisherman's  Fund Advisory  and                                                               
Appeals Council,  Ketchikan, AK,  said he  had been  a commercial                                                               
fisherman since  1983. He  had just completed  his first  term on                                                               
the council and really enjoyed  the work. He said the Fisherman's                                                               
Fund  actually helped  him once  when he  had a  near fatal  dive                                                               
accident in  2002 outside  of Craig  and it gave  him a  sense of                                                               
pride to be on  the board, to help people out  and make the board                                                               
effective  for  the  commercial fishermen,  especially  the  ones                                                               
without insurance who need help in desperate times.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:40:29 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES  HERBERT, appointee  to the  Fisherman's Fund  Advisory and                                                               
Appeals Council, Seward,  AK, said he was  a long-time fisherman,                                                               
as well  and if reconfirmed this  would be his 15th  year serving                                                               
on  the  council.  He  had  been appointed  under  a  variety  of                                                               
administrations  and took  the job  very  seriously, because  the                                                               
money  from  every  crew member's  license  and  every  skipper's                                                               
permit funds it. Over the years,  many fishermen who had no other                                                               
means  had been  served significantly  by their  fellow fishermen                                                               
through this fund. He had  a sense of fiduciary responsibility to                                                               
carefully make decisions on how to use the fund's money.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  commented  that  Representative  Seaton  on  House  Resources                                                               
requested  a  letter from  the  council  about his  concern  that                                                               
selling the  seven-day commercial  fishing crewmen's  licenses to                                                               
non-resident  fishermen was  severely impacting  revenues to  the                                                               
state and may be affecting revenues to the fund in the process.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER asked  him for a copy of the  council's reply to                                                               
distribute to the committee.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:44:37 PM                                                                                                                    
JERRY  MCCUNE,  President,  Cordova  District  Fishermen  United,                                                               
Cordova, AK,  said he had  worked with  both Mr. Bezenek  and Mr.                                                               
Herbert on the  bill and he supported both  of their appointments                                                               
to  the council.  They had  served fishermen  very well  and made                                                               
sure the Fishermen's fund was being used wisely.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER  asked   him  for  a  brief   overview  of  the                                                               
Fishermen's Fund.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE explained  that a certain percentage  of limited entry                                                               
licenses go  into the  Fishermen's Fund  to provide  an insurance                                                               
pool  for  fishermen  to  use  if they  are  not  insured  or  to                                                               
supplement some things that aren't  paid through insurance for an                                                               
injuries that happen only on the boat.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  commented that he appreciated  hearing from Mr.                                                               
Herbert about what he sees as  one of the future issues. He asked                                                               
both  appointees what  major issues  they see  coming before  the                                                               
Fishermen's Fund  and to  explain a little  about how  they would                                                               
address them.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER  closed  the public  hearing  and  invited  Mr.                                                               
Bezenek to testify.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:47:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BEZENEK said  that they did the math at  the spring meeting a                                                               
couple of weeks  ago and found that  three non-residents licenses                                                               
were  bought  for every  one  resident  license. This  ratio  was                                                               
thought to  be coming  out of  the Bristol  Bay region  where the                                                               
fishery is  about a month  long and  a year-long crew  license is                                                               
$200. But if you're only going to  be up there for three weeks as                                                               
a crewman, you can buy three seven-day licenses for $180.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the original  seven day license came into being                                                               
when the  industry was  "on its  lips" and tried  to get  a "dude                                                               
fishing industry going." Now fishermen  feel it should be changed                                                               
to one  seven-day license per  year and raise  the rate on  it to                                                               
$100. Then if someone was going  to be fishing in Bristol Bay for                                                               
three  weeks it  wouldn't  be  conducive for  them  to buy  three                                                               
licenses for  $300. Paying $100  for a one-week  license wouldn't                                                               
hurt the dude fishing industry  and the idea hadn't really caught                                                               
on anyhow.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:49:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HERBERT  said that Mr. Bezenek  stated the case well,  but he                                                               
needed to correct one thing:  the seven-day licenses are only $30                                                               
for crewmen both  in state and out  of state. So a  person is way                                                               
ahead by  buying a couple of  those as opposed to  one $200 year-                                                               
long  license.   He  said  he would  forward  a  letter with  the                                                               
figures  in  it  for  clarification,  and  added  that  by  their                                                               
calculations,  the state  is not  realizing as  much as  $393,000                                                               
from the  sale of non-resident  crewmen licenses, because  of the                                                               
way  the licensing  is structured  and there  is no  dude fishing                                                               
recreational  segment  that  caters   specifically  to  rides  on                                                               
commercial fishing boats.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
With the  claim limit now  set at  $10,000 Mr. Herbert  said they                                                               
are carefully watching  that paid claims aren't taking  a toll on                                                               
the corpus of the fund. It  was holding even at the last meeting,                                                               
but  that's partly  because they  didn't award  any extraordinary                                                               
payments to people for extraordinary cases this year.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:53:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HERBERT  said the  third issue  he tried  to make  his fellow                                                               
council members aware  of was that good support  from the program                                                               
coordinator  was needed  to understand  the administrative  costs                                                               
associated with the  fund, which from the viewpoint  of a private                                                               
business  person seemed  quite  high. They  understand and  agree                                                               
that  the  Department of  Labor  manages  the  fund and  has  the                                                               
administrative carte  blanch to make  decisions on how  the money                                                               
gets used,  but because  it is money  that comes  from fishermen,                                                               
the council  members want to see  that it gets used  as wisely as                                                               
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:53:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WAGONER asked what the balance of the fund was.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HERBERT  answered about $11  million; the last of  the claims                                                               
are now being  paid out for the last fishing  season and they are                                                               
about  to  start receiving  more  from  the crewmen  licenses  as                                                               
things  ramp up  for the  upcoming season.  The fund  balance has                                                               
hovered around that amount for last few years.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER  reopened  public testimony  to  allow  another                                                               
person to testify.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:54:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK SALDI,  representing himself, Skagway,  AK, said he  is also                                                               
on the Fisherman's  Fund Advisory and Appeals  Council and wanted                                                               
to recommend  the reappointment of  both Clay and Jim.  They both                                                               
take maintaining the health of the fund seriously.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER closed public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN moved  to forward the names of  Clay Bezenek and                                                               
James  Herbert   to  the  joint   session  for  serving   on  the                                                               
Fisherman's Fund Advisory and Appeals  Council in accordance with                                                               
AS 39.05.080. This  does not reflect any intent by  any member to                                                               
vote for  or against confirmation  of the individuals  during any                                                               
further  sessions.  There  were  no  objections  and  it  was  so                                                               
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER thanked them for their service.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:57:13 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease from 4:57 to 4:59 p.m.                                                                                                  
^Confirmation Hearing: Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:59:20 PM                                                                                                                    
[CO-CHAIR WAGONER handed the gavel over to CO-CHAIR PASKVAN.]                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  called the  meeting back  to order  and brought                                                               
the  appointees  for  the  Big  Game  Commercial  Services  Board                                                               
forward;  they  consisted  of:  Michael  Meekin,  Michelle  Metz,                                                               
Donald  Quarberg and  Brenda Rebne.  He asked  them to  provide a                                                               
statement to  the committee about their  qualifications and state                                                               
the reasons they want to serve on this board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:00:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL MEEKIN,  appointee, Big  Game Commercial  Services Board,                                                               
Palmer, AK, said he was born and  raised in Palmer and grew up in                                                               
the guiding business.  His father was a big game  guide in Alaska                                                               
and he personally  had had a registered guide license  for a long                                                               
time.  He  also  has  a  transporter  license  and  an  air  taxi                                                               
certificate. He wants to serve on  this board to give back to the                                                               
industry that  has been good to  him. He could see  some problems                                                               
and would like to help with those.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:02:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked if he owned Meekin's Air Service.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEEKIN answered yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  said he would be  voting for him, because  he had                                                               
dropped him and  some friends off at the  Scandinavian Hut before                                                               
and he wanted to always get picked up, too.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:02:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHELE  METZ, appointee,  Big  Game  Commercial Services  Board,                                                               
Douglas, AK, said she works  at Sealaska Corporation as the lands                                                               
manager and that  guides had been operating on  their lands since                                                               
inception. Sealaska  had started tracking  who was there  in 1992                                                               
and started  to charge them a  little fee. A couple  of years ago                                                               
they  concluded this  could be  a good  seasonal job  and started                                                               
working  with  ADF&G,  the  Forest   Service  and  the  Big  Game                                                               
Commercial Services  Board to train  apprentice guides.  When the                                                               
seat came  open for large  private land  owner on the  board, she                                                               
was recommended for it by one of the current members.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She explained that  part of her duties at Sealaska  was to manage                                                               
the guides that  operate on their lands and she  could learn from                                                               
serving  on this  board and  thus  help the  corporation. And  in                                                               
turn, her Sealaska  perspective could help the  board with issues                                                               
coming before it.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN asked  what she  saw  as the  big issue  coming                                                               
before the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. METZ answered that she  attended one meeting in Fairbanks and                                                               
sensed a  perception of  competition for guiding  in some  of the                                                               
areas  and  the  state  was  considering  starting  a  concession                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN thanked her for being present today.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:06:10 PM                                                                                                                    
DONALD QUARBERG,  appointee, Big Game Commercial  Services Board,                                                               
Delta  Junction, AK,  said  he  had lived  there  since 1978.  He                                                               
briefed them  that he did  not intend  to become a  candidate for                                                               
this position when it started,  but was appointed by the governor                                                               
in  June  and  has  served  on  two  audio  conferences  and  two                                                               
meetings, one  in December and  one in  March. Prior to  that, he                                                               
served on  the Fish and Game  Advisory Committee in Delta  for 20                                                               
some  years and  on the  Delta Bison  Working Group,  essentially                                                               
another advisory committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He said that about 2.5 years  ago, DNR submitted its proposal for                                                               
this guide concession program that  will regulate how guides will                                                               
operate on  state lands.  He asked two  members of  the committee                                                               
who  happened  to  be  assistant  guides to  comment  on  it  and                                                               
eventually five or  six local guides got together  for a meeting.                                                               
Since he didn't  know that much about the  guiding profession, he                                                               
invited himself to  the meeting. About 40 hours later  they had a                                                               
10-page  rebuttal to  the list  of suggestions.  That led  to his                                                               
being  encouraged  to  attend  the  Alaska  Professional  Hunters                                                               
Association  meeting  in Anchorage,  which  he  did, and  he  was                                                               
impressed with  their concern  about the  quality of  the service                                                               
they  provide and  the professionalism  of the  guiding industry.                                                               
That led  to an  invite to  attend the March  meeting of  the Big                                                               
Game Commercial  Services Board  in Fairbanks  where he  met with                                                               
some representatives from  the DNR and local  guides; they talked                                                               
about the  guide concession  program. Then  he returned  home and                                                               
found that a vacancy had  appeared for a public representative on                                                               
the Big  Game Commercial Services Board,  and he was asked  if he                                                               
wanted  to  submit  an  application.   He  sent  it  in  and  was                                                               
appointed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN thanked him for  his comments and announced that                                                               
he had  just received  notice that  Brenda Rebne  was unavailable                                                               
today.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said it's always  good to have those who are                                                               
interested in  serving on boards  and commissions to  come before                                                               
them and asked why she wasn't available.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN  said he  didn't  know  why.  He noted  that  a                                                               
witness on  line wanted to  speak on several of  the appointments                                                               
and maybe  he could  ask about her  specifically. Then  he opened                                                               
public comment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:11:30 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBERT FITHIAN,  Executive Director, Alaska  Professional Hunters                                                               
Association,  Lower Tonsina,  AK,  approved of  Michele Metz  and                                                               
Donald Quarberg, saying Ms. Metz  became known to him through her                                                               
position in  Sealaska when some conservation-related  issues came                                                               
up  recently.  She reached  out  and  talked  about how  to  work                                                               
together to  build better partnerships  on private lands.  He was                                                               
pleased that she accepted the nomination to the board.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said  he was familiar  with Mr.  Quarberg through a  number of                                                               
members that  work with him on  the Delta Fish and  Game Advisory                                                               
Committee. "He seeks  to find a balance," often  reaching out and                                                               
asking lots of questions.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said that he wasn't sure  why Ms. Rebne wasn't here today, but                                                               
she  is the  vice president  of Ahtna  Corporation. When  she was                                                               
first appointed to  the Big Game Commercial  Services Board there                                                               
had been a  long standing conflict between the board  of Game and                                                               
the Ahtna people, in general. She  had been a "fierce fighter" on                                                               
private  land  rights within  that  and  the federal  subsistence                                                               
board  arenas.  A  number  of  people  had  questions  about  her                                                               
appointment,  but he  supported her  because she  was willing  to                                                               
build partnerships and to serve on  the board and learn about the                                                               
way of  life the Big  Game Commercial Services  Board represents.                                                               
She  has learned  a  lot  through the  years  and  has become  an                                                               
advocate for the guiding and transporting industry                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FITHIAN said  Ms. Rebne  commonly talks  about education  of                                                               
guides  and working  out  conservation  partnerships between  the                                                               
private  land   owners.  She  has   turned  out  to  be   a  good                                                               
spokesperson  for  the  particular   industries  that  the  board                                                               
represents.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER  said he hadn't  heard any negative  feedback on                                                               
her.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN said  he  hadn't  heard anything  controversial                                                               
either.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said he  hadn't heard anything controversial                                                               
about this  candidate, but  he didn't want  members to  feel they                                                               
didn't have  to show  up. It's important  that the  appointees at                                                               
least give them an opportunity to  hear what they have to say and                                                               
to question them if necessary.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN agreed  and said it's important  to maintain the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:15:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH also agreed with Senator Wielechowski' remarks.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER  moved to forward  the names of  Michael Meekin,                                                               
Michele  Metz,  Donald  Quarberg  and Brenda  Rebne  to  a  joint                                                               
session for consideration  of serving on the  Big Game Commercial                                                               
Services Board. This did not reflect  an intent by any members to                                                               
vote for  or against the  confirmation of the  individuals during                                                               
any  further session.  There were  no  objections and  it was  so                                                               
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:18:19 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease from 5:18 to 5:20 p.m.                                                                                                  
^Confirmation Hearing: Board of Game                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:20:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN called  the meeting back to  order and announced                                                               
consideration of  Lynn Keogh, Jr.  from Anchorage,  Teresa Sager-                                                               
Albaugh from  Tok, and  Robert Mumford  from Anchorage.  He asked                                                               
them  to give  a short  statement  first and  then the  committee                                                               
would ask questions. He would then open up public comment.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:21:06 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB MUMFORD,  appointee, Board  of Game,  Anchorage, AK,  said he                                                               
had been  in Alaska for  37 years; he first  came up with  the US                                                               
Air Force  and was stationed at  Elmendorf. After that he  was an                                                               
Alaska State  Trooper for  20 years,  18 of  which were  with the                                                               
Fish and Wildlife Protection Division.  He served at the posts in                                                               
Palmer,  Sand  Point,  Kodiak, Fairbanks  and  Coldfoot.  He  was                                                               
promoted to sergeant  and worked the Kenai  Peninsula in Soldotna                                                               
as  the  first   land  supervisor.  He  was   promoted  again  to                                                               
lieutenant, winding  up in  Anchorage. After  he retired,  he had                                                               
several  flying  jobs including  wildlife  surveys  on the  North                                                               
Slope, air taxi and transporter services  in Tok, and he has done                                                               
some security work.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MUMFORD said  he also  has  five years  of volunteer  hunter                                                               
education experience with the ADF&G  and has served five years on                                                               
the Big  Game Commercial  Services Board in  the public  seat. He                                                               
wanted to  be on the  Board of Game  because of his  "deep seated                                                               
interest"  in  wildlife  issues.   He  brings  a  strong  ethical                                                               
background  and  a  strong  background   in  working  within  the                                                               
statutes and  regulations of the  state and the  Constitution. He                                                               
is a hunter  and a wildlife photographer and viewer,  as well. He                                                               
considers  himself  "a  bit  of a  conservationist,"  but  is  in                                                               
support  of  managing  our resources  to  maintain  good  healthy                                                               
populations and conserve and develop all the resources we have.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN said part of  the statutory obligations under AS                                                               
16.05.221  is to  provide a  view for  diversity of  interest and                                                               
points  of view  in the  membership and  asked what  diversity he                                                               
would represent on this board.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUMFORD replied that he  is an avid wildlife photographer and                                                               
an independent thinker  who has worked with  various agencies and                                                               
people around  the state, because  he has moved around  the state                                                               
quite a  bit. His strengths  are working within the  statutes and                                                               
regulations,  knowing  the   enforceability  of  regulations  and                                                               
working within the constitutional mandates.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH thanked  him for his service, both  to the country                                                               
and to the state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN,  seeing no further  questions, thanked  him, as                                                               
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:26:21 PM                                                                                                                    
THERESA SAGER-ALBAUGH,  appointee, Board of Game,  Fairbanks, AK,                                                               
said  she  grew  up  hunting  and  fishing  with  her  family  in                                                               
Fairbanks. She  moved to  the Tok  Cutoff in  1984 and  now lives                                                               
with her husband just north of  Mentasta Pass in a log cabin. Her                                                               
nearest neighbor  is about  two miles  away, so  they are  on the                                                               
road system, but fairly remote.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALBBAUGH  said she  had worked  for the past  15 years  for a                                                               
Summit  Consulting   Services,  a  construction   management  and                                                               
engineering  firm for  primarily  water and  sewer projects.  She                                                               
serves as the  personnel manager and handles a good  share of the                                                               
company marketing and internal operations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She said she loves the outdoors  and is an avid hunter and fisher                                                               
and traps with  her husband as often as her  schedule allows. She                                                               
has  no professional  career or  training in  wildlife management                                                               
but  has a  "very deep  appreciation"  for all  wildlife and  can                                                               
offer  her experience  as a  life-long  Alaskan as  well as  many                                                               
years of field observation. She makes  an effort to be a guardian                                                               
of  equal access  and  common  use of  the  state public  natural                                                               
resources.  She would  be honored  to  continue participating  in                                                               
sound  game management  through  development  of regulations  and                                                               
would be pleased to serve another term.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNN KEOGH,  Jr., appointee, Board  of Game, Anchorage,  AK, said                                                               
he was born and raised in  Anchorage. He has owned and operated a                                                               
fishing guide  service on the  Kenai Peninsula with his  wife and                                                               
three  children  for the  past  26  years;  he grew  up  hunting,                                                               
fishing  and  trapping  and enjoying  everything  Alaska  has  to                                                               
offer. He has raised his children  the same way. He would like to                                                               
serve  on the  board to  give  back and  make sure  his kids  and                                                               
grandkids can do what he has been able to do.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH  said he is a  registered hunting guide and  a licensed                                                               
Coast Guard captain and had been for over 25 years.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN thanked him and opened public testimony.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:30:51 PM                                                                                                                    
TINA  BROWN, representing  herself, Juneau,  AK, said  Lynn Keogh                                                               
had a pattern of disregard for  the law and she had deep concerns                                                               
with his  appointment to the Board  of Game. He has  a long civil                                                               
court record  in Anchorage, Glennallen, Homer,  Kenai and Palmer.                                                               
When  viewed  as  a  body,  his offenses  suggest  a  pattern  of                                                               
disregard for  the law  and this  is not the  kind of  person she                                                               
wanted representing her on the board.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
According  to Alaska  statute, as  mentioned already,  members of                                                               
the  Board of  Game  should provide  diversity  of interests  and                                                               
points  of view  and Mr.  Keogh does  not do  that, she  said. He                                                               
brings   nothing   new  to   the   Board   of  Game.   Therefore,                                                               
approximately 85 percent of Alaskans are not represented.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROWN said that many  Alaskans are deeply disappointed in and                                                               
discouraged by recent Board of  Game actions such as bear snaring                                                               
for the  first time  since statehood.  Given Mr.  Keogh's resume'                                                               
and recent  votes in Fairbanks  at the  Board of Game  meeting he                                                               
would  further   disappoint  and   discourage  those   people  if                                                               
appointed now.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The most recently confirmed member  from last year has ADF&G fish                                                               
and game  violations on  record and other  Board of  Game members                                                               
have  fish  and wildlife  violations  on  their records  and  she                                                               
didn't  want someone  with  civil violations  of  this extent  on                                                               
record to be  on the Board of Game. Alaska's  public image as far                                                               
as wildlife management  goes is already tarnished and  she saw no                                                               
reason to further damage our reputation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:34:13 PM                                                                                                                    
GREG  BROWN,  representing  himself, Juneau,  AK,  supported  the                                                               
appointments of  Mr. Mumford, but not  Mr. Keogh to the  Board of                                                               
Game. He wanted to talk about  numbers; first he said US Fish and                                                               
Wildlife  numbers  indicate  that  hunting  has  declined  by  10                                                               
percent  over  the  last  10 years  while  wildlife  viewing  had                                                               
increased  by over  13  percent.  In 2001,  7,039  big game  tags                                                               
issued to  residents of the State  of Alaska and last  year there                                                               
were 5,291, a  decline of 24 percent. Non-resident  big game tags                                                               
were 17,157 and went down to 12,970 (24 percent) in 2011.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said the consumptive market in  Alaska is $125 million and the                                                               
non-consumptive  market  is  $581  million.  The  non-consumptive                                                               
market is $30 billion a year and  growing at a very fast rate all                                                               
over the entire United States  while the consumptive market is at                                                               
best  staying flat  and generally  going down  1 to  2 percent  a                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROWN  said right now  the board  has seven members  and they                                                               
all look pretty  much the same - like hunters  and trappers; many                                                               
are  second and  third  generation Alaskans  and run  consumptive                                                               
businesses. But no one is  representing a majority of the market,                                                               
which is non-consumptive users of wildlife.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROWN said  he liked Mr. Mumford's resume' very  much, but he                                                               
could  not  recommend  Mr.  Keogh because  he  looked  just  like                                                               
everybody else on the list.  They should be looking for diversity                                                               
and  somebody who  will  represent the  entire  State of  Alaska.                                                               
According  to  an analysis  he  did,  the non-consumptive  market                                                               
could grow  another $500 million  in five years. That  would mean                                                               
10,000  jobs for  the  State of  Alaska. It  would  also give  an                                                               
economic reason for preserving Native culture.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:37:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WAGONER asked if he  felt the decline in consumptive use                                                               
was  the  result of  a  decline  in  available  game or  lack  of                                                               
interest in hunting.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROWN  replied a  combination of both,  although the  game is                                                               
harder to get.  But youth interest has  changed dramatically with                                                               
urbanization and  the advance  of electronics;  and they  are not                                                               
growing  up in  a hunting  philosophy. He  said that  he grew  up                                                               
hunting; his father hunted all  over the world; he wasn't against                                                               
hunting.  But from  an economic  perspective, the  opportunity in                                                               
Alaska is not hunting but non-consumptive wildlife viewing.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:38:24 PM                                                                                                                    
ART GREENWALD,  representing himself, Fairbanks, AK,  opposed Mr.                                                               
Keogh's appointment to  the Board of Game. Mr.  Greenwald said he                                                               
had lived in  Fairbanks for 42 years and  had hunted successfully                                                               
in  that time,  but he  opposed  Mr. Keogh's  appointment for  at                                                               
least two reasons. First, he had  an extensive court record of 13                                                               
cases and this is a  board that establishes rules and regulations                                                               
for  the  rest  of  the  population.  People  in  a  position  of                                                               
authority like  that need to  have integrity and he  simply fails                                                               
that test.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Second, Mr. Keogh  offered no diversity on the  board, because he                                                               
is  a consumptive  user. The  vast majority  of Alaskans  have no                                                               
voice on  that board even  though it  is supposed to  provide it.                                                               
That  same diversity  is  even  in the  Board  of Game's  mission                                                               
statement.  Yet  the  whole  board is  composed  of  hunters  and                                                               
trappers  and  has no  representation  for  the wildlife  viewer,                                                               
photographers or  the tourism  industry. Wildlife  viewers should                                                               
be represented, because the State  Constitution says the resource                                                               
is owned by all Alaskans, not just the ones that hunt and trap.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. GREENWALD  said if he were  a legislator, he would  be asking                                                               
himself how  Mr. Keogh  could possibly  represent Alaskans  if so                                                               
many people oppose him.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:40:33 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE  KLUTSCH,  representing himself,  King  Salmon,  AK, said  he                                                               
fully supported Mr.  Mumford's appointment to the  Board of Game.                                                               
Mr.  Klutsch said  he  had  worked as  a  sport  fishing guide  a                                                               
hunting guide,  commercial fished, and lived  in trapping cabins.                                                               
He  had known  Mr. Mumford,  because he  has checked  him in  his                                                               
camps;  he  has known  him  as  a trooper,  as  a  friend and  an                                                               
aviator.  This guy  has been  around and  knows the  statutes and                                                               
laws. He  knows right  from wrong  and is  not prejudiced  in any                                                               
matter. He  can ferret out truth  from fiction and would  make an                                                               
excellent appointee to the Board of Game.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLUTSCH said  Theresa  Albaugh  had also  done  a good  job.                                                               
Further,  he  opined  that  there   is  no  such  thing  as  non-                                                               
consumptive users and  he is all for bear viewing:  99 percent of                                                               
what  he does  is view  and enjoy  wildlife. But  to portray  any                                                               
given  group of  people  as non-consumptive  is  a euphemism  and                                                               
ridiculous.   Photographers  and   wildlife  viewers   in  Katmai                                                               
National Park eat  up more habitat and more  resources and create                                                               
more conflicts than all the hunters combined.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:43:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  RICHARDS,  Co-Chair,  Back  Country  Hunters  and  Anglers,                                                               
Fairbanks,  AK,  supported the  appointments  of  Mr. Keogh,  Ms.                                                               
Albaugh  and Mr.  Mumford  to  the Board  of  Game.  He was  very                                                               
impressed with Mr.  Keogh at the March board  meeting, because he                                                               
treated  the  public  respectfully  and was  very  verbal  during                                                               
deliberations. A proposal to allow  the taking coyotes year-round                                                               
came up and  he was the only member opposed  to it, his rationale                                                               
being that nothing from the  animal was utilized, either the hide                                                               
or the meat.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  said they also supported  Teresa Sager-Albaugh; she                                                               
works hard  and studies the  issues; her questions are  always on                                                               
point and she engages the public well.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
They  also  supported  Mr.  Mumford  who  would  bring  a  needed                                                               
attribute to the board with  his trooper and transport experience                                                               
for motorized access issues.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:45:21 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB  FITHIAN,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Professional  Hunters                                                               
Association,  Lower  Tonsina, AK,  said  he  supported all  three                                                               
appointments to  the Board  of Game. He  thought he  had attended                                                               
more Board  of Game meetings in  the past decade than  any of the                                                               
members had  and had  seen a  lot of board  members come  and go.                                                               
It's  important for  them to  hear about  resources, stewardship,                                                               
wildlife, wildlife  stewardship, and the  constitutional mandates                                                               
that provide for sustained yield,  maximum benefit and management                                                               
for abundance.  They provide for  the best interests  of Alaska's                                                               
wildlife resources and the best  interests of all people, whether                                                               
they are wildlife viewers, hunters or trappers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:47:32 PM                                                                                                                    
GEORGE  PIERCE, representing  himself, Kasilof,  AK, opposed  Mr.                                                               
Keogh's  appointment to  the Board  of Game.  Hunting guides  and                                                               
special  interest groups  control the  board that  is politically                                                               
based and not science based, he  said. Our game is being sold for                                                               
outside interests and not Alaskans.  Don't reappoint old members,                                                               
but get new ones to participate who are biologists.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:50:43 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNNETTE  MORENO-HEINZ,  representing   herself,  Anchorage,  AK,                                                               
supported  Ms.  Metz's appointment  to  the  Big Game  Commercial                                                               
Services Board  saying she  would provide  more diversity  on the                                                               
board and that is needed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HEINZ  related that  she  was  a  cab  driver and  the  past                                                               
president of  Anchorage Tlingit and  Haida and the  Alaska Native                                                               
Sisterhood, Camp 87.  She had been appointed  to the Southcentral                                                               
Regional  Advisory Board  of Game  and had  to go  through a  lot                                                               
meetings to qualify. Now the  appointees are not scrutinized. For                                                               
instance,  she replaced  an  ex-sex offender  and  she has  heard                                                               
board  members  bragging  about   much  money  they  were  making                                                               
guiding, their fancy boats and cars.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER  stated that  he had an  opportunity to  ride in                                                               
her taxi cab one day and had a very good discussion with her.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:54:42 PM                                                                                                                    
KENNETH BARBER,  representing himself, Palmer, AK,  supported the                                                               
appointments of Mr.  Keogh and Ms. Albaugh to the  Board of Game.                                                               
He had  spent time  with Mr. Keogh  on MatSu  advisory committees                                                               
and found him to  be open and with a lot of good  ideas on how to                                                               
fix some trapping on trail systems  issues.  Ms. Albaugh had been                                                               
on the board for a quite a while and had done a good job, too.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:56:18 PM                                                                                                                    
ROD  ARNO, Executive  Director, Alaska  Outdoor council,  Palmer,                                                               
AK, supported the appointments of  Ms. Albaugh, Mr. Keogh and Mr.                                                               
Mumford to the Board of Game.  He said that people were beginning                                                               
to see  the results of  predator/prey management.  As harvestable                                                               
surplus numbers begin to rise they  are seeing a lessening in the                                                               
number  of user  conflicts who  get  to harvest  them. The  trend                                                               
lately is that the Governor  is nominating and the legislature is                                                               
confirming people to the board  who are adopting regulations that                                                               
are consistent with game management laws.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  said someone sent  him an email that  purports to                                                               
be from Randy  Reudrich that claims to forward an  email that Mr.                                                               
Arno sent and asked if that was  true. The last line of the email                                                               
basically says:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Get the word out. We  can't let the antis defeat Lynn's                                                                    
     confirmation like  they did to  Al Barrette.  POMs need                                                                    
     to  be sent  to  every legislator  from now  supporting                                                                    
     Lynn. Let legislators know we'll  go after every one of                                                                    
     them who votes against Keogh next November.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ARNO  admitted sending it  out and  said they plan  to follow                                                               
through with it.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked  if that meant he would vote  for him in the                                                               
next election if he did vote to confirm Mr. Keogh.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:59:18 PM                                                                                                                    
PATTY BARBER, representing herself,  The Butte, AK, supported the                                                               
appointments of Mr.  Keogh and Ms. Albaugh to the  Board of Game.                                                               
She had  known them  for many  years and felt  they were  a great                                                               
asset for management of the state's game populations.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:00:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MELVIN  GROVE,  President,  Prince  William  Sound  Charter  Boat                                                               
Association,  Big Lake,  AK, supported  the  appointments of  Ms.                                                               
Albaugh, Mr. Keogh  and Mr. Mumford to the Board  of Game. He had                                                               
positions on  the MatSu Valley  Fish and Game  Advisory Committee                                                               
and the Alaska  Outdoor Council. He had  participated in numerous                                                               
Board of  Fisheries meetings  and watched Ms.  Albaugh who  is an                                                               
extremely  hard  worker.  She  had  watched  Mr.  Keogh  in  that                                                               
capacity as  well and he had  done an outstanding job,  his views                                                               
representing  85 percent  of Alaskans.  He  was pretty  confident                                                               
that the Advisory Committee had  supported his initial nomination                                                               
and every  member would probably support  his current nomination,                                                               
as well since their views  were consistent with his. From reading                                                               
Mr. Mumford's resume'  he thought those views  would be supported                                                               
by him, as well.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:02:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  CRAWFORD, President,  Safari Club  International, Soldotna,                                                               
AK, supported the appointments of  Mr. Keogh, Ms. Albaugh and Mr.                                                               
Mumford to the Board of Game.  As chair of the advisory committee                                                               
he  had  attended  many  board meetings  and  thought  Mr.  Keogh                                                               
performed   well.  He   came  to   the   meetings  prepared   and                                                               
knowledgeable of issues  before it. In addition, he  has years of                                                               
experience and first-hand knowledge in the field.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He said Ms.  Albaugh has a good background that  qualifies her to                                                               
be  on the  board and  Mr. Mumford's  law enforcement  background                                                               
would be good for the board.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:04:00 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE  LETARTE,  Alaska  Trappers   Association,  Two  Rivers,  AK,                                                               
Fairbanks supported  the appointments  of Mr. Keogh,  Ms. Albaugh                                                               
and  Mr. Mumford  to the  Board of  Game. Mr.  Keogh is  a proven                                                               
leader in the  outdoor industry and has vast  experience from his                                                               
fish guiding and  Coast Guard captaining. He  interacts well with                                                               
the  public and  listens to  their  concerns. He  votes based  on                                                               
science rather than  public opinion, so they felt he  was a well-                                                               
rounded individual for the board.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mumford is  also a strong candidate with  his law enforcement                                                               
experience. His  many years  as a  trooper in  Alaska give  him a                                                               
unique perspective. Ms. Albaugh has performed very well, also.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:05:30 PM                                                                                                                    
VIRGIL  UMPHENOUR, Chairman,  Fairbanks  Fish  and Game  Advisory                                                               
Committee,  North Pole,  AK, supported  the  appointments of  Mr.                                                               
Keogh and Ms.  Albaugh to the Board of Game.  The committee voted                                                               
unanimously to  support Mr. Keogh  and supported Ms.  Albaugh, as                                                               
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR,  representing himself, North Pole,  AK, said he                                                               
personally  supported  all three  appointments  to  the Board  of                                                               
Game.  The committee  didn't know  Mr.  Mumford was  going to  be                                                               
appointed, so they didn't get  to discuss him. Mr. Umphenour said                                                               
he had served on the Board  of Fisheries for eight years and knew                                                               
what  it took  to be  a  good board  member; he  knew and  highly                                                               
recommended all  three appointees. They are  highly qualified and                                                               
have  the desire  to  do what  a  good board  member  has to  do:                                                               
homework: read all the staff  reports, all the scientific reports                                                               
and make yourself available to work with the public.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:07:30 PM                                                                                                                    
YOLANDA  DELACRUZ, representing  herself, Anchorage,  AK, opposed                                                               
the appointment of  Mr. Keogh to the Board of  Game. She said she                                                               
is an  American Indian  and a proud  American citizen.  Mr. Keogh                                                               
had  already  voted to  approve  killing  bears and  wolves  from                                                               
helicopters and  he had voted  to approve total  extermination of                                                               
bears in a  540 square mile area. He has  extensive experience as                                                               
a professional  hunter but  still had 13  violations in  the last                                                               
several years.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She said  the current Board of  Game is weighted in  favor of the                                                               
conventional  hunting  industry,  but   it  needs  diversity  and                                                               
balance  and   to  include  people  who   represent  the  tourist                                                               
industry, subsistence and wildlife viewing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:09:53 PM                                                                                                                    
BARBARA  WINKLEY, representing  herself,  Anchorage, AK,  opposed                                                               
the appointment of Mr. Keogh to  the Board of Game. She had lived                                                               
in  Alaska long  enough to  see board  members appointed  by many                                                               
governors  and  they  had  always  appointed  a  "token  wildlife                                                               
advocate." She recalled a big  change in Board of Game appointees                                                               
after   the  turn   of  the   century  during   the  last   three                                                               
administrations.  On  March 20,  she  attended  a Board  of  Game                                                               
Advisory  meeting where  the area  biologist from  Soldotna, Jeff                                                               
Salinger, said  he believed low  moose numbers on the  Kenai were                                                               
caused  by loss  of habitat  not  predators, but  studies of  the                                                               
issue  had not  been completed.  She emphatically  asked why  the                                                               
board  goes ahead  and authorizes  unnecessary killing  of wolves                                                               
and bears.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She said that Mr. Keogh voted  to approve the killing of bear and                                                               
wolves from  helicopters and voted  to approve  total exterminate                                                               
of bears in  540 square miles and to reduce  wolves to the lowest                                                               
possible level in a 1,300 square mile area.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WINKLEY also  stated that  "The quality  of recent  wildlife                                                               
managers with numerous felony charges  should be an embarrassment                                                               
to the  state...not to mention  the inhuman snaring of  bears and                                                               
gassing of wolf  pups in their dens." Since the  current Board of                                                               
Game members appear  to do whatever they  want without scientific                                                               
studies and not  listen to input from scientists  and the public,                                                               
the only thing to do is to "cut them off at the pass."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN thanked  her for  her  comments, closed  public                                                               
testimony and asked for committee questions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH said  early this  week he  had sent  Mr. Keogh  a                                                               
letter asking for  some details about the case  numbers that bear                                                               
his  name in  "court view."  He  had no  way of  knowing if  they                                                               
belonged to him, but there were quite a few.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH  replied that he  had "never been charged  or convicted                                                               
of any  crime in Alaska"  and was born  and raised here,  and the                                                               
three civil  cases he  was involved in  wouldn't be  pertinent to                                                               
his nomination to the Board of Game.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if  he had looked  at "court  view" records                                                               
for himself.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH answered no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH said  in 2003,  case number  3N0305561 seemed  to                                                               
deal with  his Permanent  Fund Dividend and  asked what  that was                                                               
about.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH said that was not him.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked about case  number 3N0413452,  a collection                                                               
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH said that was not him.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked about  three small  claim actions  in 1990,                                                               
2006 and 2003.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH replied yes, that was him.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if he was  trying to collect from someone or                                                               
if someone was trying to collect from him.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH  replied that they were  so far apart on  what was owed                                                               
and wasn't  owned for all  three cases  that he welcomed  them to                                                               
take him to court.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if  he was involved  in a  2009 foreclosure                                                               
action number 3N0968751.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH answered no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if he had  a couple of speeding tickets last                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH answered yes; two.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:15:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  said another case  took place on the  Kenai River                                                               
and asked what that was about.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH  answered that it was  a "motor violation." He  had the                                                               
wrong throttle  cam in the motor.  He had been running  the motor                                                               
for six  years and didn't know  it was not legal.  A citation was                                                               
issued  when  it  was  found  to be  wrong.  The  next  year  the                                                               
regulation was changed  so that the motor he had  at the time was                                                               
legal.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked about  a  case  in  Kenai dealing  with  a                                                               
commercial fishing permit issue.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEOGH replied,  "It's  the  same thing.  When  you've got  a                                                               
commercial guide  permit on the  Kenai River, there's  two deals.                                                               
If there's like an equipment violation,  but then also ends up as                                                               
a guide stipulation violation, so  you actually get whacked twice                                                               
for the same offense."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH said  earlier today they spoke to  Mike Meekin who                                                               
is an appointee to the Big  Game Commercial Services Board and he                                                               
was asked on  his application whether he might  have any conflict                                                               
of  interest or  whether  he  or his  family  might be  benefited                                                               
financially from the decisions he was  going to make. And he said                                                               
he owned an  air taxi service and so it's  possible he could make                                                               
decisions that would benefit that.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In Mr.  Keogh's application, he  was asked the same  question and                                                               
answered no.  But below  that he  noted that he  worked as  a big                                                               
game guide and  Senator French asked if he still  worked as a big                                                               
game guide.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH answered  yes; he subcontracts as a big  game guide. He                                                               
explained  that when  they  start  a meeting  they  do an  ethics                                                               
disclosure not knowing what the  public will submit in proposals.                                                               
If a proposal  deals with an area  he guided in or  he could gain                                                               
financially  from a  decision he  might make,  he would  make the                                                               
board aware of that and then recuse himself from that vote.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH said  but if  today  he asked  him if  he or  any                                                               
member of his  family might be affected  financially by decisions                                                               
to be made  by the board or commission for  which he was applying                                                               
how would he answer the question.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH replied, "I would say  no, because I wouldn't be voting                                                               
on  it."  He  added,  "If  my  family  or  myself  could  benefit                                                               
financially, I would  recuse myself from that vote  and make them                                                               
aware of why I was doing that - because I stood to benefit."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked him to listen  to the question one more time                                                               
and read  it again and explained  that it doesn't ask  if he will                                                               
vote on something that will benefit  him. It says will that board                                                               
or commission make a decision that would benefit him.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH admitted there was always that potential.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  if after  careful  consideration he  would                                                               
change that answer to yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEOGH answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN found no further questions of Mr. Keogh.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER  moved to  forward  the  names of  Lynn  Keogh,                                                               
Theresa Sager-Albaugh and  Robert Mumford to a  joint session for                                                               
consideration for  the Board of  Game. He noted that  this didn't                                                               
reflect  any intent  by any  member to  vote for  or against  the                                                               
confirmation of the individuals during any further sessions.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN announced  that  without  objection, the  names                                                               
would be forwarded to the joint body.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being  nothing further  to come  before the  committee, Co-                                                               
Chair Paskvan  adjourned the Senate Resources  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 6:20 p.m.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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