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03:34:59 PM Confirmation Hearings
05:32:26 PM Adjourn
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Governor's Appointments, Confirmation
Hearings:
Department Commissioner: Denby Lloyd
Dept. of Fish and Game
Big Game Commercial Services Board:
Leif Wilson
* SB 109 OIL & GAS CONSERVATION COMMISSION
Scheduled But Not Heard
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
Presentations Previously Heard/Scheduled
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 12, 2007                                                                                         
                           3:34 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Confirmation Hearings:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                            
Leif Wilson                                                                                                                     
     CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Department of Fish and Game                                                                                                   
Denby Lloyd - Commissioner                                                                                                      
     HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 109                                                                                                             
"An Act  relating to  the regulation  and permitting  of drilling                                                               
and  other operations  by  the Alaska  Oil  and Gas  Conservation                                                               
Commission,  to civil  penalties assessed  by the  commission, to                                                               
reconsideration  and appeal  of decisions  and the  allocation of                                                               
costs in  investigations and hearings before  the commission, and                                                               
to  information  filed  with  and fees  of  the  commission;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Leif Wilson, designee                                                                                                           
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT: Nominee to the Board                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Denby Lloyd, Commissioner designee                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G)                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Nominee as Commissioner of ADF&G.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dave Crowley, representing himself                                                                                              
Cordova, AK                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dave Otness, representing himself                                                                                               
Seward, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Steve Flory, representing himself                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Tom Harris, representing himself                                                                                                
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
David Martin, representing himself                                                                                              
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Steve Vanik, representing himself                                                                                               
Ninilchik, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Jeff Burger, owner                                                                                                              
Deep Creek Custom Packing                                                                                                       
Ninilchik, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ace Calloway, representing himself                                                                                              
Fox, AK                                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Lynn Levengood                                                                                                                  
Alaska Wildlife Conservation Association                                                                                        
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mike Tinker, representing himself                                                                                               
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Tom Scarborough, representing himself                                                                                           
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Bob Thorstenson, President                                                                                                      
United Fisherman of Alaska                                                                                                      
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on confirmation                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CHARLIE  HUGGINS  called  the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at 3:34:26  PM. Present at the call to                                                             
order were Senators Green, Stevens, Wielechowski and Huggins.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                     ^CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
3:34:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGGINS  announced  the  first order  of  business  to  be                                                               
confirmation hearings.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LEIF WILSON, nominee  to the Big Game  Commercial Services Board,                                                               
said he  has served  on the  board already and  is honored  to be                                                               
reappointed. He said most of  the problems facing the industry do                                                               
not have easy solutions; he then explained his work history.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:37:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked Mr. Wilson to  remind him when the board came                                                               
back into existence.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON  replied that it had  done so two years  prior. He was                                                               
originally appointed about eight months after it was recreated.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked him to share some board success stories.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON  answered that the  board had  enacted a whole  lot of                                                               
ethics  legislation. He  thought  they were  going  in the  right                                                               
direction, but  he mentioned that  a big problem  is overcrowding                                                               
in the  field; it's  not so easy  to get a  guide license  now. A                                                               
person must  pass a test  and have experience guiding.  The board                                                               
may  need help  from the  legislature to  deal with  some of  its                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:40:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  asked what is done  when a guide lands  on federal                                                               
land in another guide's area.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON  replied that that  he would  talk to them  as another                                                               
individual and attempt to mediate.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked him to answer as a board member.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON replied that the  board can't do anything with private                                                               
individuals  on  private lands.  The  guides  currently can  have                                                               
three guide-use  areas apiece,  but they  can be  swapped around.                                                               
This issue  is one of  the biggest problems facing  the industry;                                                               
there  should be  a  firmer  system for  limiting  the number  of                                                               
transporters in a certain area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:43:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS   asked  how   the  board   would  respond   to  a                                                               
hypothetical situation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILSON  replied in  explaining  how  prosecution in  such  a                                                               
situation would work.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  asked if any  negative situations  have transpired                                                               
that the committee should know about.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON answered no.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS  read  a  statement   outlining  the  process  for                                                               
confirmation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  moved  to  forward  his  name.  There  were  no                                                               
objections.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:46:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS called an at-ease.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS called  the meeting  back to  order and  announced                                                               
that the committee  would be considering the  nomination of Denby                                                               
Lloyd  for the  position of  Alaska Department  of Fish  and Game                                                               
(ADF&G) commissioner.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DENBY LLYOD,  Commissioner designee for  the ADF&G, gave  a brief                                                               
overview of his work background.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:51:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  commended him on  his service, and said  that it                                                               
will be  interesting to have  him in  the position. He  asked for                                                               
him to comment  on the federal decision to allow  fish farming in                                                               
Washington.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD replied  that the  ADF&G  is very  concerned that  the                                                               
governors don't have enough  decision-making authority about what                                                               
can  be grown  on  their  shores; states  should  have an  opt-in                                                               
position. There is the potential  for disease and competition for                                                               
wild Alaska  fish. The  ADF&G doesn't want  it outlawed,  but the                                                               
state should be able to make the decision to allow it.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:53:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN asked  what the  current statute  says about  fish                                                               
farming.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied that the  state doesn't allow fish farming, but                                                               
it allows aquaculture.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:53:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked him  to comment on  how his  name was                                                               
forwarded to the governor for appointment.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD replied  that  advertisements soliciting  applications                                                               
for the job were placed in  local papers for two weeks. He didn't                                                               
know  how many  applicants  the administration  received, but  he                                                               
heard that  it was  quite a  few. A board  went through  them and                                                               
decided on  a short list  to interview  that same day.  The joint                                                               
board met  in executive  session and  they voted  on the  name to                                                               
forward to the governor.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked for him  to comment on how the statute                                                               
regarding nominations has been interpreted.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied that an  assistant attorney general advised the                                                               
committee on  making the  list, which could  contain one  or more                                                               
names.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if he  is willing to base his wildlife                                                               
management on science.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  he is  committed to  fairness and                                                               
equitability between commercial and sport fishing.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied  that he is, and he has  and will carry himself                                                               
in a neutral fashion regarding allocation issues.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked how many employees the ADF&G has.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied that there are approximately 1,700.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked for the mission statement of ADF&G.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD replied  that he  didn't have  the exact  wording, but                                                               
it's essentially  to maintain and improve  the wildlife resources                                                               
in the state of Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked  if he intended to  continue with performance                                                               
measures in the department.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD said that that exercise will continue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked for his top four goals as commissioner.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied he hoped  to leave the department  stronger in                                                               
terms  of   staff  motivation,  operating   condition,  abundance                                                               
management, and equitable distribution of benefits.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked for comment on the issue of subsistence.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied the ADF&G  is in a dual  management situation,                                                               
and it  must make  sure the federal  agencies don't  exceed their                                                               
mandate. In  more global terms,  the department's  approach isn't                                                               
to reduce  subsistence opportunity, but  to make sure  people are                                                               
acting according to the law.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  said that  there have been  issues with  the state                                                               
sockeye salmon  fishery and  asked where  the parameters  lie for                                                               
escapement studies.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:00:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied  that the objective of the recent  study was to                                                               
find  the   best  way  of  determining   sockeye  escapement.  He                                                               
explained how  the department uses sonar  stations, and discussed                                                               
the history of escapement figures  and the study, the findings of                                                               
which will be valuable in planning future allocations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked for clarification on fish studies.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied in explaining study locations.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS said  that some  people  don't agree  with him  on                                                               
estimation of escapement numbers.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD   explained  how  the  former   sonar  counter  didn't                                                               
represent fish numbers accurately. He  added that surveys in Cook                                                               
Inlet streams have shown relatively high numbers of fish.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   HUGGINS  said   that   some   habitats  need   escapement                                                               
improvement, and asked how the numbers of fish can be increased.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied the harvest  could be restricted,  and habitat                                                               
improvement  and enhancement  opportunities could  be considered.                                                               
The main factor  is the harvest rate of the  fishery leading into                                                               
the system. He mentioned a study  to measure the Cook Inlet stock                                                               
numbers which could  be useful in designing  fishery openings and                                                               
closures.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  asked if  he was confident  with the  approach and                                                               
results of that study.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied that he  was, and mentioned previous  types of                                                               
studies that were not as discerning.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:09:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  asked how  Mr. Lloyd would  work with  the North                                                               
Pacific Fisheries Management Council.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied that he  plans to fill  a seat on  the council                                                               
himself, and said  that on the council the ADF&G  is not neutral;                                                               
it  represents Alaska  against potential  opposing interests.  He                                                               
gave an example of past work with the council.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:11:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MCGUIRE  commented  that  Mr.  Lloyd's  appointment  had                                                               
generated  a  lot of  constituent  comments,  and said  that  her                                                               
concern is regarding  his knowledge of game  management. She said                                                               
that Governor Palin wants to  manage for abundance, and asked how                                                               
he will implement that strategy.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD said  that he  agrees  with the  governor's stance  on                                                               
abundance, and that habitat  improvement and hunting restrictions                                                               
should be  imposed. There  are areas  where predators  are taking                                                               
what  humans  could  harvest,  and where  science  shows  that  a                                                               
reduction in  predator populations  would result in  an increased                                                               
harvest for humans, predators should be controlled.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:14:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE  said the  decision to  appoint Kenton  Taylor as                                                               
deputy  commissioner  is also  controversial,  and  asked if  his                                                               
philosophy is in line with that of the ADF&G.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD  replied   the  ADF&G  sorted  through   a  number  of                                                               
candidates for  the position, and  saw that there  were competing                                                               
interests. Mr. Taylor has wide  recognition of his high standards                                                               
of professional  ethics; some  people think he  is not  strong in                                                               
predator control, but that's not the case.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:16:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE asked him to  elaborate on his conversations with                                                               
Mr. Taylor regarding predator control.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied that Mr.  Taylor does think predator control is                                                               
important, but they  hadn't yet spoken of when, where,  or how it                                                               
will be done.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:18:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS said that a  number of sports fishing organizations                                                               
supported  Mr. Lloyd's  nomination, and  also were  interested in                                                               
who he would  choose as his deputy.  He asked who else  had a say                                                               
in hiring Mr. Taylor.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied that  he consulted with  the governor  and her                                                               
chief advisors.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS asked  him  to describe  his  hiring process,  and                                                               
commented that some  people didn't get an  opportunity to express                                                               
their preferences for the deputy position.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD acknowledged that  there were competing recommendations                                                               
for the position.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS pointed  out that Mr. Taylor's name was  not on the                                                               
public list of recommendations.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD  acknowledged that  Mr.  Taylor's  name wasn't  widely                                                               
circulated,  and  said  he  could   understand  surprise  at  the                                                               
appointment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:22:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked how many deputy commissioners there are.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied that there  are two deputy  commissioners; one                                                               
dealing  with commercial  fishery issues,  and the  other dealing                                                               
with sport fishing and wildlife issues.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if there is any  precedent for hiring                                                               
methods of  deputy commissioners,  and asked  for comment  on Mr.                                                               
Taylor's background.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied  that he's unaware of any  previous process for                                                               
selecting commissioners,  and that it  is an exempt  position. He                                                               
explained how Mr. Taylor has  had a long and distinguished career                                                               
in the department and other arenas.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:26:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS said  that his  constituents  had voiced  concerns                                                               
about a lack of say in the ADF&G appointments.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE  asked Mr.  Lloyd to  explain why  he's qualified                                                               
for game management.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD   replied  that  he  does   have  resource  management                                                               
experience, albeit not necessarily focused on game.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN said  she is concerned that there is  an absence of                                                               
sport  fishing  experience  between   the  commissioner  and  his                                                               
deputies,  and  asked  if  the  ADF&G  has  considered  having  a                                                               
separate commissioner for sport fishing.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied that it has,  but that the department does have                                                               
a strong  director of  sport fisheries. It  is talking  about the                                                               
possibility of adding another position.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:30:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  CROWLEY,  representing  himself,  said  that  he  supported                                                               
Senator  Wielechowski's comments  on statute  interpretation, and                                                               
that he  supports separate commissioners  for fish and  game, the                                                               
latter of which lacks representation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD commented on a recent Board of Game meeting.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked for his position on sheep hunts.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied that he didn't have a position on that issue.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BOB  LINVILLE,  representing  himself, explained  his  commercial                                                               
fishing  background  and  said  that   he  was  hoping  for  more                                                               
transparency in  the ADF&G hiring  process. He  expressed concern                                                               
about Mr. Lloyd's position on  geoduck farming, and mentioned the                                                               
importance of  his seat  on the  North Pacific  Fisheries Council                                                               
and his opinions on some particular fisheries.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD agreed  that  representation on  the  council is  very                                                               
important,  but  said that  he  didn't  agree  with some  of  its                                                               
positions. He discussed crab and  cod fisheries, and said that he                                                               
wants   to   look   for    opportunities   that   don't   include                                                               
privatization.  He does  want to  institute  changes for  coastal                                                               
fishing communities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MCGUIRE  asked  for  Mr.  Lloyd's  comments  on  geoduck                                                               
farming.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD replied  that  he  hasn't testified  on  the issue  on                                                               
question, but  explained that the  department has  concerns about                                                               
introducing  the shellfish  in certain  parts of  the state;  the                                                               
department would support farming in certain additional areas.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE  requested that a  representative from  the ADF&G                                                               
attend  the Administrative  Regulatory  Review committee  meeting                                                               
the following day.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:42:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS   mentioned  the  need  to   keep  ownership  of                                                               
resources in Alaska  and the need to provide  the opportunity for                                                               
younger Alaskans to get into  the industry, and asked how control                                                               
can be gotten back.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied that the ADF&G  won't be planning to  make any                                                               
public  ownership  more privatized.  It's  a  matter of  limiting                                                               
access to fisheries; there can  be a reasonable management regime                                                               
without giving up public ownership.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:44:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked  for comment on charter  boat halibut fishing                                                               
limits.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied that there  are short term, mid-term  and long                                                               
term  proposals  for  the  issue; the  state  wants  to  maintain                                                               
control  of   allocation  decisions,   and  reducing   the  quota                                                               
immediately  would unduly  affect  the charter  boat business.  A                                                               
mid-term proposal is  a moratorium on new entry  into the halibut                                                               
fleet  which would  stabilize participants  in the  industry. The                                                               
long-term solution  is in how  to allocate privileges  within the                                                               
moratorium; there  are many various  proposals for doing  so that                                                               
will be considered.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:48:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  OTNESS, representing  himself, said  he served  on Governor                                                               
Palin's  ADF&G transition  team, and  shared his  strong concerns                                                               
about  how the  joint  boards  let Alaskans  down;  he wants  the                                                               
appointment process  investigated, but  looks forward to  the new                                                               
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  commented that a  one-name list was forwarded  in 1995                                                               
as well; it's not a new issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS  mentioned  that  the  committee  had  heard  from                                                               
several people who voted on the nominations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:52:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE FLORY, representing himself, said  that his concern is over                                                               
a statute that  says the joint boards shall meet  together in the                                                               
midst of  the nomination process,  and more than one  name should                                                               
be  recommended;   the  governor  should  not   misinterpret  the                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  said that the  governor has had plenty  of opportunity                                                               
to question him on his policies.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:56:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  HARRIS,  representing  himself,  said  that  the  nomination                                                               
process should  be reviewed. He commented  on decreasing wildlife                                                               
populations in Alaska, and how  ADF&G is not helping the problem.                                                               
He added that he supports Mr. Lloyd's nomination.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:59:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID MARTIN,  representing himself, said he  disagreed with only                                                               
one  name  being  forwarded  for   recommendation;  the  lack  of                                                               
transparency erodes public support  for government. There haven't                                                               
been any much-needed personnel or policy changes in the ADF&G.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:02:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD said that the upper  Cook Inlet salmon fishery issue is                                                               
very detailed,  but boils down  to conflicting mandates  from the                                                               
fisheries  board; more  clarity is  needed before  the department                                                               
can act.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked for comment on the management of fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  discussed escapement and  catch issues, and  said that                                                               
the department needs clear direction on those issues.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS asked  if  he saw  any  correlation in  management                                                               
techniques between Kenai, Susitna, and Yentna drainage points.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  replied that ongoing  studies may  provide information                                                               
on that issue.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked  if fishing groups could  use different sides                                                               
of Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD replied that that cannot yet be verified.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:09:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE VANIK, representing himself, said  that he's opposed to the                                                               
appointment because  of the unclear process,  and is disappointed                                                               
in  Governor Palin.  He asked  why  Mr. Lloyd  is hiring  retired                                                               
people  rather   than  new  employees   or  those  in   line  for                                                               
promotions. He commented on the  over-escapement in recent years,                                                               
and said that  management should be conservative.  He mentioned a                                                               
petition asking for clarification on the process.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:12:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD  said that the  department has acknowledged  that there                                                               
has been excessive  escapement in the past; the  board can choose                                                               
consider the problem outside the regulatory process.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:13:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  BURGER,  owner of  Deep  Creek  Custom Packing,  said  that                                                               
people  are having  a hard  time economically  in Cook  Inlet. He                                                               
objected to having  a single appointment rather  than a selection                                                               
from  a  list,  and  said   that  over-escapement  is  absolutely                                                               
detrimental  to  the  fish  run. He  said  he  supported  another                                                               
candidate  who wasn't  on the  final list,  who is  qualified and                                                               
honorable as opposed to Mr. Lloyd.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:15:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ACE  CALLOWAY, representing  himself,  said that  he agreed  with                                                               
previous statements about the nomination  process; he thanked Mr.                                                               
Lloyd for  his service, but said  that he has concerns  about the                                                               
attitude  of  the  ADF&G  administration.  He  talked  about  the                                                               
emergency  order   to  close  captain   and  crew   fishing,  and                                                               
complained that  he had not received  a response on the  issue to                                                               
various emails.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LLOYD  said  that  he  would give  Mr.  Calloway  his  email                                                               
address, and  said that  a proposal  regarding sport  fishing was                                                               
only an option.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
LYNN   LEVENGOOD,   with   the   Alaska   Wildlife   Conservation                                                               
Association, opined that Mr. Lloyd did  not have a plan to manage                                                               
for  abundance or  know  how to  succeed with  such  a plan;  the                                                               
organization  opposes   his  nomination,  also  because   of  the                                                               
nomination process.  He added that  the ADF&G should manage  on a                                                               
biological basis and not one of personal feelings.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LLOYD decline to respond.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE TINKER,  representing himself,  said that  Mr. Lloyd  is not                                                               
fully  qualified to  be commissioner;  ADF&G  game management  is                                                               
atrocious. The appointment should not be approved.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:26:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM SCARBOROUGH,  representing himself, said that  Governor Palin                                                               
promised changes in the ADF&G,  and Mr. Lloyd's nomination is not                                                               
in line with that promise, nor Mr. Taylor's.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:28:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BOB THORSTENSON,  president of United  Fisherman of  Alaska, said                                                               
he supports Mr. Lloyd as the  highest caliber person for the job;                                                               
it's not  his fault that his  was the only name  forwarded to the                                                               
governor, and people should take issue with her or the boards.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:31:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  said he has  further questions for Mr.  Lloyd that                                                               
will need to be answered; he  thanked Mr. Lloyd, and, there being                                                               
no further  business to come  before the committee,  he adjourned                                                               
the meeting at 5:32:26 PM.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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