Legislature(2017 - 2018)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/16/2018 01:30 PM FINANCE

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CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 151(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to  the duties  of the  Department of                                                                    
     Health and  Social Services;  relating to  training and                                                                    
     workload standards  for employees of the  Department of                                                                    
     Health and Social Services  and providing immunity from                                                                    
     damages related to those  standards; relating to foster                                                                    
     care  home licensing;  relating to  civil and  criminal                                                                    
     history  background checks  for  foster care  licensing                                                                    
     and payments; relating to placement  of a child in need                                                                    
     of aid; relating to the  rights and responsibilities of                                                                    
     foster parents; requiring the  Department of Health and                                                                    
     Social Services  to provide information  to a  child or                                                                    
     person  released  from  the department's  custody;  and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:36:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LES GARA,  SPONSOR,  introduced himself.  He                                                                    
explained that  the bill would  result in fewer  children in                                                                    
foster care  and for shorter  periods of time. He  said that                                                                    
the  bill  provided  average  caseload  standards,  training                                                                    
standards, and  was a  model that had  worked well  in other                                                                    
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE   SYDEMAN,   STAFF,    REPRESENTATIVE   LES   GARA,                                                                    
introduced herself.                                                                                                             
1:37:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon thanked Vice-Chair Gara for his work on                                                                      
behalf of children in the foster care system.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara explained the Sectional Analysis (copy                                                                      
on file):                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1 provides that the  short title of the bill is                                                                
     the Children Deserve a Loving Home Act.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2  amends   legislative  findings  related  to                                                                
     children to  add a finding  that the  department should                                                                    
     enable  a  child's  contact with  previous  out-of-home                                                                    
     caregivers  if  it  is  appropriate  and  in  the  best                                                                    
     interests of the child.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 3 -  5 amend AS 47.05.310(c), (i),  and (k) to                                                                
     conform to a new subsection  added in section 6 of this                                                                    
     Act.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:40:38 PM                                                                                                                    
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Representative Gara continued with the Sectional Analysis:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6  allows the Department  of Health  and Social                                                                
     Services (the  department) to issue  or renew  a foster                                                                    
     home  license or  provide foster  care  payments to  an                                                                    
     entity, individual  service provider, or person  if the                                                                    
     applicant  or  a person  who  resides  in the  home  is                                                                    
     barred from licensure or payments  because of a barrier                                                                    
     condition under AS 47.05.3 IO(c),  (i)(2), or (i)(3) if                                                                    
     (I) a person  in the home is an adult  family member or                                                                    
     family friend of a child  in the custody or supervision                                                                    
     of  the state,  (2) the  department finds  that placing                                                                    
     the   child  with   the   entity,  individual   service                                                                    
     provider, or  person is  in the  best interests  of the                                                                    
     child, and  (3) the  conduct that is  the basis  of the                                                                    
     barrier  occurred at  least ten  years before  the date                                                                    
     the department  receives the application  for licensure                                                                    
     or  renewal   or  makes  a   payment  to   the  entity,                                                                    
     individual service provider, or person.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7 amends requirements  relating to the transfer                                                                
     of a child  from one placement to another  to require a                                                                    
     supervisor  at the  department  to  certify in  writing                                                                    
     whether the  department has conducted  a search  for an                                                                    
     appropriate placement  with an  adult family  member or                                                                    
     family friend.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8 provides  that a foster parent  has the right                                                                
     and  responsibility to  use  a  reasonable and  prudent                                                                    
     parent standard  to make decisions relating  to a child                                                                    
     in foster care, and  requires the department to provide                                                                    
     foster   parents   with   training  relating   to   the                                                                    
     reasonable and prudent parent standard.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9 requires the department  to engage a child in                                                                
     an  out-of-home placement  who is  14 years  of age  or                                                                    
     older in  the development or  revision of a  case plan,                                                                    
     permanency  goal, or  alternative  permanency plan  for                                                                    
     the  child and  allows the  child to  select up  to two                                                                    
     adults, in  addition to the  child's foster  parents or                                                                    
     department employees  who are  supervising the  care of                                                                    
     the  child, to  participate in  the development  of the                                                                    
     plan.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10  amends AS 4  7.10.093(a) to conform  to new                                                                
     AS 47.17.030(g) added in section                                                                                           
     18 of this Act.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section   11  amends   confidentiality  provisions   to                                                                
     require  a state  or municipal  agency  or employee  to                                                                    
     disclose    appropriate     confidential    information                                                                    
     regarding a case  to the sibling of a child  who is the                                                                    
     subject of the  case if it is in the  best interests of                                                                    
     the child to maintain contact with the sibling.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  12 requires  a supervisor  at the  department,                                                                
     when  the  department  takes  emergency  custody  of  a                                                                    
     child,  to certify  in writing  whether the  department                                                                    
     has  conducted a  search for  an appropriate  placement                                                                    
     with an adult family member or family friend.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  13 requires  the department  to search  for an                                                                
     appropriate placement  with an  adult family  member or                                                                    
     friend  when the  child is  removed  from the  parent's                                                                    
     home.  The section  also requires  a supervisor  at the                                                                    
     department   to   certify   in  writing   whether   the                                                                    
     department has conducted the search.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14  amends AS  14.14. l  OO(i) to  provide that                                                                
     when a  child can remain  safely at home with  an adult                                                                    
     family  member or  guardian who  lives with  the child,                                                                    
     the child  may not be  placed with an  out-of-home care                                                                    
     provider.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 15  requires the department to  provide contact                                                                
     information to siblings who  are in separate placements                                                                    
     if  it is  in the  best  interests of  the children  to                                                                    
     maintain contact.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section  16   requires  the  department   to  implement                                                                
     workload   standards  and   a   training  program   for                                                                    
     department  employees and  to provide  a report  to the                                                                    
     legislature  if  the department  is  not  able to  meet                                                                    
     certain standards.  Section 16  also provides  that the                                                                    
     department  is immune  from suit  if the  department is                                                                    
     unable  to   meet  workload  standards   under  certain                                                                    
     circumstances. Section 16 requires  the division of the                                                                    
     department  with  responsibility  over the  custody  of                                                                    
     children   to  provide   an   annual   report  to   the                                                                    
    legislature on employee recruitment and retention.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section  17   adds  a  new  subsection   requiring  the                                                                
     department  to   assist  an  adult  family   member  in                                                                    
     obtaining   a  foster   care  license,   including  any                                                                    
     necessary  variances, if  placing  the  child with  the                                                                    
     adult family  member is  in the  best interests  of the                                                                    
     child.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 18  adds a new  subsection providing  that when                                                                
     the department  or a local government  health or social                                                                    
     services  agency completes  certain investigations  and                                                                    
     identifies an  appropriate community  organization that                                                                    
     will  provide support  services to  families, that  the                                                                    
     department  or  a  local government  health  or  social                                                                    
     services  agency  shall  refer the  child's  parent  or                                                                    
     guardian to the community  organization upon consent of                                                                    
     the  child's  parent  or   guardian.  Section  18  also                                                                    
     provides  for confidentiality  of information  received                                                                    
     by   the   community   organization   under   the   new                                                                    
     subsection.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:46:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara continued to address the Sectional                                                                          
Analysis:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 19  requires the department,  for a  person who                                                                
     is 16 years of age or  older, to provide the person, or                                                                    
     assist the  person with  obtaining, the  person's birth                                                                    
     certificate,  social  security card,  health  insurance                                                                    
     information,  medical  records,   driver's  license  or                                                                    
     identification  card,  and  certificate  of  degree  of                                                                    
     Indian or Alaska Native blood,  if applicable, when the                                                                    
     person is released from state custody under AS 47.10.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  20  requires  the department,  to  the  extent                                                                
     feasible,  to  approve  or  deny  a  foster  care  home                                                                    
     license, including  a request for a  variance, not more                                                                    
     than  45 days  after the  date the  department receives                                                                    
     the application for a foster care home license.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 21  provides secs. 2, 7  ? 9, 11 -  15, 17, and                                                                
     19 of  the Act  applies to  a child  in the  custody or                                                                    
     under the supervision of the  department under AS 47.10                                                                    
     on or after  the effective dates of secs. 2,  7 - 9, 11                                                                    
     - 15, 17,  and 19 of the Act. Section  19 also provides                                                                    
     that  secs.  3  -  6  and   20  of  the  Act  apply  to                                                                    
     applications   for   a    license,   license   renewal,                                                                    
     certification,   certification   renewal,  or   payment                                                                    
     received by  the department on  or after  the effective                                                                    
     dates  of secs.  3 -  6 and  20 of  the Act  Section 22                                                                    
     allows  the department  to adopt  regulations necessary                                                                    
     to  implement   the  changes  made  by   the  Act.  The                                                                    
     regulations  may not  take effect  until the  effective                                                                    
     date  of the  section  of the  Act  implemented by  the                                                                    
     regulation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  23 requires  the department  to implement  the                                                                
     changes made by secs. 7 - 9  and 12 - 14 not later than                                                                    
     90  days after  the effective  date of  those sections.                                                                    
     Those  sections  relate  to  searches  for  appropriate                                                                    
     placements   with   family   members,   foster   parent                                                                    
     decision-making,  involving  children  14 or  older  in                                                                    
     case  plans, and  allowing  a child  to  remain in  the                                                                    
     child's home  with an adult  family member.  Section 23                                                                    
     also requires  the department to implement  the changes                                                                    
     made by secs. 2  - 6, 11, 15, 17, 19,  and 20, and some                                                                    
     of  the changes  made by  sec. 16,  not later  than one                                                                    
     year after the effective  date of those sections. Those                                                                    
     sections  relate to  legislative findings,  barriers to                                                                    
     foster  care  licensing   and  payments,  sharing  case                                                                    
     information  with siblings,  providing sibling  contact                                                                    
     information in certain  situations, department training                                                                    
     and  reports,  assisting  family members  in  obtaining                                                                    
     foster   care    licenses,   providing   identification                                                                    
     information to children 16 or  older when released from                                                                    
     department  custody,   and  approval  of   foster  care                                                                    
   licenses within 45 days of receiving an application.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section   23  further   requires   the  department   to                                                                
     implement the  rest of the  changes made by sec.  16 of                                                                    
     the Act  not later than  two years after  the effective                                                                    
     date of that section.  Those changes relate to employee                                                                    
     workload standards.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section  24 provides  that  sec. 22  of  the Act  takes                                                                
     effect immediately.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sydeman relayed that the bill  would give 1 year for the                                                                    
department   to  implement   searches  for   placement  with                                                                    
appropriate  family  members,  to  train  staff  on  how  to                                                                    
involve children  14 and  older on  the development  of case                                                                    
plans,  to  implement the  policy  of  allowing a  child  to                                                                    
remain in a home with an  adult family member that was not a                                                                    
parent, and  to bring training up  to the new standard  of 6                                                                    
weeks  of  training.  She  said  that  there  was  a  3-year                                                                    
implementation  period for  several  of  the more  difficult                                                                    
parts of  the bill. She  thought that the Senate  Health and                                                                    
Social Services  committee had  ultimately adopted  a 2-year                                                                    
training  period  for  caseload  standards; to  get  to  the                                                                    
average standard  of 13  families per  worker, 6  within the                                                                    
first 6 months and 12 within the first year.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara added  that the  90-day effective  date                                                                    
sections were for Sections 7 through 9 and 12 through 14.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon requested further clarification.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  responded that  Sections 7  referred to                                                                    
the supervisor  certifying in writing  that a  family search                                                                    
and  been done.  Section 8  referred to  the prudent  parent                                                                    
standard  that would  allow for  children to  participate in                                                                    
extracurricular  activities  without   the  consent  of  the                                                                    
Office of  Children's Services (OCS). Section  9 would allow                                                                    
for the engagement  of children 14 years and  older in their                                                                    
case plan  and permanent placement planning  goals. Sections                                                                    
12 and  13 referred to  OCS signoff on family  friend foster                                                                    
home placement.  Section 14 was  a provision that  said that                                                                    
if there  was a family  member in  the home that  could keep                                                                    
the child safe then the child  would not be removed from the                                                                    
home.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY  LAWTON, DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF CHILDREN'S  SERVICES,                                                                    
(OCS) introduced herself.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether the  department supported                                                                    
the bill and the transitional dates therein.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  replied  that   the  department  supported  the                                                                    
legislation.  She revealed  that the  department had  worked                                                                    
with  the  bill  sponsor  on   the  transitional  dates  and                                                                    
believed that they could be implemented without delay.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether  there was a  mechanism in                                                                    
the bill that required the  department to report back to the                                                                    
legislature on the progress of the transitions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton responded  that the bill required  that an annual                                                                    
report be submitted to the legislature.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:51:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether the  department would  be                                                                    
able  to submit  a  report in  90 days  that  would let  the                                                                    
legislature   know   that   the  department   that   trained                                                                    
supervisors of the updated requirements.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:52:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  expressed concern about Section  6 and the                                                                    
barrier  crimes. He  worried that  people who  had committed                                                                    
crimes against  children might be eligible  to become foster                                                                    
parents.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  replied that  the  challenge  with the  barrier                                                                    
crimes  sometimes came  up with  grandparents that  may have                                                                    
had previous criminal or child  protection history. She said                                                                    
that the  bill allowed for an  evaluation on a case  by case                                                                    
basis, it  did not  require that a  license be  granted, but                                                                    
allowed for the  person to demonstrate how  they had changed                                                                    
their behavior.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:53:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  asked whether a  person who had  a history                                                                    
of sexual  abuse of  a minor  or physical  abuse of  a minor                                                                    
would  be  allowed  to  foster a  child  after  the  10-year                                                                    
statute of limitations elapsed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton  replied that no  acceptations would be  made for                                                                    
perpetrators of sexual  abuse. She said that in  the case of                                                                    
physical abuse the facts of  the case would be examined. She                                                                    
reiterated that  each case  would be examined  on a  case by                                                                    
case basis.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:54:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche asked whether  there should be a limitation                                                                    
in written into statute that addressed sexual abuse.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  believed that  the  language  in the  bill  was                                                                    
written sufficiently.  She said  that process  for reviewing                                                                    
such cases  was multi-layered.  She did  not believe  that a                                                                    
person who  should not  be licensed  would slip  through the                                                                    
cracks.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof thought  that there  were aspects  of the                                                                    
bill that  could be dealt  with in regulation.  She wondered                                                                    
why a statute was required.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton replied that a  statute would offer stability and                                                                    
the assurance  that the changes  would not be  undone easily                                                                    
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof related that  if the proposals in the bill                                                                    
were best practices,  it seemed unlikely that  they would be                                                                    
challenged in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  replied that  having  the  language in  statute                                                                    
would give  additional strength and  authority to  the tasks                                                                    
and activities  of the department  and would help  to ensure                                                                    
correct implementation and retention.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:56:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof  understood that the bill  would limit the                                                                    
number  of  cases per  worker,  with  the intent  of  making                                                                    
caseloads manageable.  She asked  if there was  a transition                                                                    
plan for current workers to give  some of their cases to new                                                                    
workers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton replied  that the  department would  need to  be                                                                    
thoughtful about  how new staff was  incorporated to provide                                                                    
relief for existing  staff. She said that there  had been an                                                                    
increased effort put into having  less entries than exits in                                                                    
the system.  She believed that  if the department  could get                                                                    
more  children safely  exiting foster  care, and  reduce the                                                                    
number coming in,  that would help to  safely lower existing                                                                    
worker caseloads.  She said that the  department was working                                                                    
to  refer more  services over  to the  Tribal Child  Welfare                                                                    
Compact,  which was  working on  relative searches,  helping                                                                    
with family  contact, and  conducting safety  assessments in                                                                    
relative's  home  for  placement.   She  stressed  that  the                                                                    
department  was   working  on   many  ways  to   bridge  the                                                                    
transition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:00:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon asked how many  current case workers were                                                                    
employed by the state and what was the vacancy factor.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton   responded  that   there  were   currently  219                                                                    
authorized, case carrying workers.  In 2017, the turnover of                                                                    
those caseworkers was at 49 percent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:01:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked how many vacancies  the department                                                                    
currently had.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton   replied  that  the  department   had  64  open                                                                    
caseworker positions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   questioned  whether  a   reduction  in                                                                    
caseloads could result in the  openings being filled without                                                                    
hiring additional workers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton responded that even  if the openings were filled,                                                                    
additional  caseworkers   would  be   needed  to   meet  the                                                                    
standards laid out in the bill.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:01:31 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:02:38 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:02:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether there were  reasons, other                                                                    
than caseload  numbers, that  had led  to the  high turnover                                                                    
rate within the division.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton shared  that an  annual staff  survey had  cited                                                                    
caseloads as the  number one reason for  leaving a position;                                                                    
after  that, compensation,  lack of  sufficient supervision,                                                                    
and the  ability to affect  real change in  communities were                                                                    
other reasons that people left the agency.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon announced that the  bill would be held in                                                                    
committee for further review.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:04:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara related  that the  bill was  modeled on                                                                    
child welfare practices in New  Jersey, which were common in                                                                    
other child welfare  agencies. He said that  the practice of                                                                    
hiring 20 percent more  caseworkers than initially necessary                                                                    
was in  anticipation of  high turnover  rates. He  said that                                                                    
neglecting to  hire the positions  in the fiscal  note would                                                                    
result in  caseloads of 30  cases per worker.  He understood                                                                    
that it  seemed counterintuitive,  but that it  necessary to                                                                    
solve the problem of burnout.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:06:04 PM=                                                                                                                   
Co-Chair MacKinnon  felt that there were  too many positions                                                                    
on  the  fiscal note.  She  felt  that the  number  deserved                                                                    
further scrutiny.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stevens asked  whether the  bill would  address the                                                                    
issue of  foster children  being placed  in many  homes over                                                                    
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:07:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  said that more kinship  or family homes                                                                    
would  be sought;  additionally, less  caseloads per  worker                                                                    
would  lead to  better outcomes  for long-term  placement of                                                                    
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:08:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  understood that  the bill would  grant the                                                                    
authorization  for  the agency  to  over-hire  but that  the                                                                    
expectation  of  proportion  of spend  was  similar  to  the                                                                    
current spend.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  reiterated  that the  extra  positions                                                                    
would be  needed to  reduce the caseloads  so that  when new                                                                    
people  were  hired  they  would   face  a  less  staggering                                                                    
caseload.  He  noted that of the 21 positions,  12 were case                                                                    
carrying  workers  and  9 were  support  and  administrative                                                                    
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche supported  that  additional positions.  He                                                                    
wondered  whether  the same  amount  of  positions would  be                                                                    
necessary in the future once the caseload levels decreased.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:11:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  said that he hoped  that turnover could                                                                    
be reduced enough that fewer positions could be a reality.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:11:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof thought  that increasing caseworkers would                                                                    
not solve  all of  the problems faced  by the  division. She                                                                    
lamented that  the bill did  not address changes  that could                                                                    
be  made  by the  department  to  address efficiencies.  She                                                                    
recommended  that  the money  from  the  unfilled but  fully                                                                    
funded  PCNs  could  be  used   to  fund  an  audit  of  the                                                                    
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  said that  she  would  be looking  into                                                                    
whether  there   were  funds  associated  with   the  vacant                                                                    
positions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:15:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop spoke  of the successes of  New Jersey. He                                                                    
hoped that OCS might hire  some people to handle an overflow                                                                    
of  casework  and then  lay  off  those employees  once  the                                                                    
workload had decreased.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:16:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson thought  that an audit would  cost hundreds of                                                                    
thousands of  dollars. He  agreed it  could be  valuable but                                                                    
expressed concern  that the issues  that the  bill addressed                                                                    
would only get worse if  the legislature waited for an audit                                                                    
to be conducted.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  understood that the suggested  audit was                                                                    
meant  to occur  in conjunction  with implementation  of the                                                                    
bill.  She   thought  that   an  audit   of  OCS   could  be                                                                    
illuminating.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:18:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop thought that it  was a matter of exploring                                                                    
best practices.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Micciche  suggested   that  senators   review  the                                                                    
comprehensive audit of the department  that had already been                                                                    
conducted.  He did  not believe  that  an audit  of OCS  was                                                                    
necessary.  He believed  that the  challenges  faced by  OCS                                                                    
were obvious and did not require further study.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:19:47 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair MacKinnon  announced that  amendments were  due the                                                                    
following day by 5pm.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 151(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 176 AML Letter.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 Sponsor Statement.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 Flow Chart.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 Letters of Support.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 - Explanation of Changes.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB 213 Letter to House Finance - Dept. of Revenue.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Letter to House Finance - Dept. of Law.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213--Supportive Letter.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Support letter.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Summary of Changes ver. R 2-8-18.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Summary of Changes Ver U to N.A 4-12-2018.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Sectional Analysis.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Sectional Analysis Ver N.A 4-12-2018.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Actual vs. POMV bar chart.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213