Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

03/24/2021 09:00 AM EDUCATION

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09:03:34 AM Start
09:04:10 AM Consideration of the Governor's Appointees to the Professional Teaching Practices Commission
09:24:16 AM SB72
09:52:53 AM SB111
09:55:54 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Danette Peterson, Governor's TELECONFERENCED
Appointee to the Professional Teaching Practices
Commission
+= SB 6 RIP FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES/TEACHERS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 3/22/2021>
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
+= SB 72 SEC. SCHOOL CIVICS EDUCATION TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 72(EDC) Out of Committee
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled from 3/22/2021>
               SB  72-SEC. SCHOOL CIVICS EDUCATION                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:24:16 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  announced the consideration  of SB 72  SENATE BILL                                                               
NO. 72                                                                                                                          
"An Act  relating to civics  education, civics  examinations, and                                                               
secondary school  graduation requirements;  and providing  for an                                                               
effective  date." He  noted that  the committee  had adopted  the                                                               
committee substitute (CS)  for SB 72, work  order 32-LS0478\B, as                                                               
the working  document and  had heard  public testimony.  He asked                                                               
the bill sponsor, Senator Stevens, for any comments.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:24:33 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:24:46 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  said that the  committee substitute  removes the                                                               
need  to  pass  an  exam  that students  will  take.  It  directs                                                               
Department of  Education and Early Development  (DEED) to develop                                                               
a  unique, Alaskan  civics curriculum  and  assessment. The  bill                                                               
recognizes  the  importance  of including  Alaska  Native  tribal                                                               
governance systems in the educational program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  shared that she  preferred the  previous version.                                                               
She  is just  concerned about  a teacher  with students  who know                                                               
they don't  have to pass a  test they take. She  hopes that won't                                                               
be  a problem  for teachers.  If  students take  some courses  as                                                               
freshmen, they might have trouble with  taking a test a few years                                                               
later. The committee  heard one of most  passionate speeches from                                                               
Commissioner  Johnson  about  how  necessary this  bill  is,  and                                                               
holding students more  accountable for passing the  test would be                                                               
better.  The  committee substitute  is  an  improvement over  not                                                               
having  civics education  at all.  She  understands the  feedback                                                               
from the districts.  The transcript will show  that students took                                                               
the test. She  wishes the transcript would  show whether students                                                               
passed or  failed the exam, even  if that would not  prevent them                                                               
from graduating.  Some students  might be  motivated by  pride if                                                               
they knew  it would show  up on  their transcripts. She  does not                                                               
want to  hand teachers a  problem, and some districts  may decide                                                               
to  grade the  test  and incorporate  it into  a  class. This  is                                                               
better than  the current status where  it is possible that  no or                                                               
minimal civics are taught.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said  he appreciates her comments.  At first, his                                                               
office thought  it should  be a high-stakes  test but  his office                                                               
learned from communities that there  are some problems with that.                                                               
The  key part  of  the  committee substitute  is  that DEED  will                                                               
develop  curriculum  and an  assessment.  As  the committee  just                                                               
heard  from   the  Professional  Teaching   Practices  Commission                                                               
appointee, that  should be  presented throughout  the curriculum,                                                               
not just in one single class.  He asked Mr. Lamkin to explain how                                                               
his office decided to remove the high-stakes exam.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES  said that  it  is  good  that  the end  of  bill                                                               
requires that  student performance on the  assessment by district                                                               
will be  reported to the  legislature. Even though  students will                                                               
not need a  certain grade to get a diploma,  the legislature will                                                               
learn how students are doing. That is a good feature.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:29:34 AM                                                                                                                    
TIM   LAMKIN,  Staff,   Senator   Gary   Stevens,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  said that  the bill  reflects some                                                               
discussions with  the department, particularly  the commissioner,                                                               
and  concerns  about  high-stakes   exams.  This  seemed  like  a                                                               
reasonable approach, to  put a greater emphasis  on standards and                                                               
offer curriculum developed  by Alaskans, as well  as Alaska's own                                                               
unique  assessment.  That  assessment   will  be  taken  and  not                                                               
necessarily passed.  It will  first trigger  a review  of content                                                               
standards  on government  and citizenship  that  were adopted  in                                                               
2006. It is  timely to review and adjust them  accordingly and to                                                               
reflect the  system of  government for  the indigenous  people of                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES asked if Alaska  history or government is required                                                               
for graduation or is it a district decision.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMKIN  said  that  there  is  no  state  requirement.  Some                                                               
districts require it, but there is no state requirement.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE said  he wanted to echo the  concerns of Senator                                                               
Hughes. He had  a recent conversation with  another senator about                                                               
getting a foot in the door  about something and proving its value                                                               
over time and getting to the point  of being able to test to know                                                               
that students are  retaining information. This goes  way back. He                                                               
read  a Forbes  article in  which Lincoln  talked about  teaching                                                               
children reverence  for the  Constitution and  its laws  less the                                                               
American democracy  degenerate into  what he  called "mobocratic"                                                               
rule. In Reagan's  farewell address he echoed  Lincoln and called                                                               
for  informed   patriotism.  The   article  also  spoke   to  the                                                               
generational divide. Seventy-four percent  of senior citizens can                                                               
pass the test  but only 19 percent of Americans  under the age of                                                               
45 can answer  even six of the 10 questions.  Part of division in                                                               
the  country is  based on  an essential  misunderstanding of  how                                                               
government works  and functions. It  causes part of  the mistrust                                                               
because  "we the  people" don't  understand the  power they  hold                                                               
because they don't understand the  workings of government itself.                                                               
It is incredibly  important and he is supportive of  the bill. He                                                               
does wish  the committee had pushed  for a test. He  will not get                                                               
in the  way of  the bill,  and maybe a  foot in  the door  is the                                                               
right path at this time.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND called on invited testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:33:39 AM                                                                                                                    
JULIE TRUSKOWSKI,  State Coordinator,  We The  People, Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, thanked the committee for  the opportunity to speak about                                                               
the important  topic of reinvigorating civics  in public schools.                                                               
She  is a  retired,  Nationally-Board certified  teacher with  28                                                               
years of experience  in Alaska. She is the  state coordinator for                                                               
the  We  the  People  program.   It  is  a  nationally-recognized                                                               
curriculum from the nonpartisan  Center for Civics Education that                                                               
teaches   civics    competency   and    responsibility.   Several                                                               
legislators  have  served as  judges  in  the high  school  state                                                               
competition.  We the  People checks  off  quite a  few boxes  for                                                               
learning and assessing knowledge  of civics and the Constitution.                                                               
The  curriculum culminates  in  mock  Congressional hearings.  It                                                               
truly  is  educating  for  a  purpose. In  the  era  of  unfunded                                                               
mandates and austere  budgeting, We the People  is cost effective                                                               
in  that  it  already  exists  in  many  communities.  Around  25                                                               
communities in the  state already have We the  People material on                                                               
hand, from many schools in  the Anchorage and Fairbanks districts                                                               
to smaller schools. Those schools  should already have textbooks.                                                               
That  could be  useful  information as  legislators move  forward                                                               
with SB 72.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked  her about the issue of  the high-stakes vs                                                               
removing the need for a passing exam.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.   TRUSKOWSKI   answered   that   if  kids   know   there   is                                                               
accountability, they will up their  game. She agrees with Senator                                                               
Hughes. It is easy to  overlook something with no accountability.                                                               
That might be what happened with  civics education and why it has                                                               
fallen off  the radar. Social  studies in general is  an unfunded                                                               
mandate with no  accountability piece, so it  gets overlooked and                                                               
pushed  aside.  She  doesn't  necessarily like  the  idea  of  an                                                               
assessment that  is something like  questions on  the citizenship                                                               
test because  it promotes rote learning  instead of internalizing                                                               
knowledge and articulating  what has been learned,  which is what                                                               
We the People does.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:37:34 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES asked  if We the People is  an afterschool program                                                               
or done during  the school day. She asked if  any schools used We                                                               
the People as curriculum to meet government requirements.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. TRUSKOWSKI  said that at  the last national meeting  of state                                                               
coordinators for  We the People,  she learned that Florida  has a                                                               
civics  test  requirement  for graduation.  Nevada  recently  got                                                               
legislative  funding  for We  the  People  to  be taught  in  all                                                               
schools.  It  cannot  be  an  afterschool  program.  It  must  be                                                               
incorporated into  the curriculum. It  can be time  consuming but                                                               
it can be  tailored to shorter amounts of time.  She taught it in                                                               
sixth  grade and  used  one of  six units.  This  year the  state                                                               
competition  was virtual  and only  West Valley  High School  was                                                               
able to participate by using fewer components.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:40:17 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND opened public testimony.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:40:27 AM                                                                                                                    
DAVID NEES,  representing self, Anchorage,  Alaska, said he  is a                                                               
retired teacher  who worked with  student councils for  years. He                                                               
is a  fan of the  civics bill. This is  a good bill.  Pulling the                                                               
citizenship  test  out  takes  the teeth  out  of  it.  Districts                                                               
usually say  it is unfunded  mandate. The argument is  whether to                                                               
make it  a stick or carrot.  Students could get civics  credit by                                                               
passing the citizenship  test, and it could be  regular credit if                                                               
they don't  take the test. It  could be an honors  course if they                                                               
do pass  the test. Another option  is to allow We  the People for                                                               
credit. These are ideas for carrots rather than sticks.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:42:27 AM                                                                                                                    
JOANNA  WASSILLIE,  representing  self, White  Mountain,  Alaska,                                                               
said that she  appreciated the comments of  Danette Peterson, the                                                               
Professional  Teaching Practices  Commission appointee  who spoke                                                               
earlier.  Ms.  Wassillie  is  a high  school  and  middle  school                                                               
language  arts  and  social  studies   teacher  who  is  teaching                                                               
government now.  She liked  what Ms.  Peterson said  about civics                                                               
being taught  across the curriculum, starting  in younger grades.                                                               
Civics  is   an  important  part  of   citizenship  and  personal                                                               
development. All seem  to agree that it needs to  be bolstered in                                                               
the state  and country.  To make  citizenship an  intrinsic value                                                               
and  strength  in the  state,  this  must  begin at  the  younger                                                               
grades.  As far as testing, her  worry about passing a test as an                                                               
alternative to taking a course is  that it would become more rote                                                               
learning  as  opposed  to  becoming  an  intrinsic  and  lifelong                                                               
practice  for  students.  That is  why  she  likes  incorporating                                                               
civics standards  across curriculum in  all grade levels.  She is                                                               
planning to look at using We the People next year.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:44:50 AM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTINE HUTCHISON, representing self,  Kenai, Alaska, said that                                                               
she is crazy about civics  education for children and adults. She                                                               
participated  with   the  local   school  board   social  studies                                                               
curriculum  committee twice.  Just teaching  to the  standards is                                                               
not sufficient. There must be  a requirement that this be taught.                                                               
She is going  to look into We  the People. She would  like to see                                                               
some type of  testing. Lowering standards for any  purpose is not                                                               
useful. If  people don't learn  and defend the  Constitution, the                                                               
country is  going to be in  a very sad state  as Senator Micciche                                                               
outlined. She  is hopeful that this  bill will become law.  It is                                                               
critical to  have a civics  education requirement. This  needs to                                                               
be pass. This is a feel-good, limited fiscal issue.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  said  he  has   talked  about  this  with  Ms.                                                               
Hutchinson. He  thanked her  for calling. He  would like  to know                                                               
what she  finds out about what  the district is doing  about this                                                               
topic  and  asked her  to  share  anything  she learns  with  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:48:52 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND closed public testimony. He solicited a motion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:49:27 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   STEVENS  moved   to  report   the  proposed   committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)   for  SB  72,  work   order  32-LS0478\B,  from                                                               
committee,  with individual  recommendations and  attached fiscal                                                               
note(s). There  being no  objection, CSSB  72 (EDC)  was reported                                                               
from the Senate Education Standing Committee.                                                                                   

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB072_Civics_BillText_versionB.pdf SEDC 3/24/2021 9:00:00 AM
SB 72
SB072_Civics_Summary-of-Changes_Version A to B.pdf SEDC 3/24/2021 9:00:00 AM
SB 72
CSSB72 Fiscal Note.pdf SEDC 3/24/2021 9:00:00 AM
SB 72
Danette Peterson Resume_Redacted.pdf SEDC 3/24/2021 9:00:00 AM