Legislature(2019 - 2020)BUTROVICH 205

02/26/2019 08:30 AM EDUCATION

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08:30:16 AM Start
08:30:30 AM SB53
08:58:04 AM Adjourn
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Moved CSSB 53(EDC) Out of Committee
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            SB  53-UNIVERSITY REPORTING REQUIREMENTS                                                                        
8:30:30 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  STEVENS  announced the  consideration  of  SB 53  and  his                                                               
intent to move  the bill out of committee. He  noted the proposed                                                               
CS and solicited a motion.                                                                                                      
8:31:22 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES moved to adopt CSSB  53, version M, as the working                                                               
8:31:32 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                              
8:31:42 AM                                                                                                                    
TIM   LAMKIN,  Staff,   Senator   Gary   Stevens,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska,  said the bill is a  reaction to the                                                               
recent  loss  of  accreditation   by  the  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Anchorage  School   of  Education.  There  was   a  communication                                                               
breakdown about that, and this  bill will keep the legislature in                                                               
the loop. The existing statute  has a reporting requirement about                                                               
teacher training, preparation, and retention.  That is due by the                                                               
30th day  of the first  regular session of each  new legislature.                                                               
The  statute reads  that the  report is  to be  delivered to  the                                                               
education committees.  At the last  meeting, February 21,  he had                                                               
reported that the  report had not been received.  However, it was                                                               
ascertained that  it had been  submitted to the  Senate Secretary                                                               
and   House  Chief   Clerk.  In   addition  to   this  unintended                                                               
consequence,  there  was  also  the   issue  that  there  was  no                                                               
education committee  in the  other body since  the House  had not                                                               
been organized by  the deadline date. Section 1  in the committee                                                               
substitute  would require  that the  report be  submitted to  the                                                               
Legislature  (Senate   Secretary  and   Chief  Clerk)   and  then                                                               
presented  to the  education committees  with  scheduling of  the                                                               
presentation at  the discretion of the  committee chairs. Section                                                               
1  also   conforms  with  the  language   of  existing  reporting                                                               
requirements in statute.                                                                                                        
MR. LAMKIN said Section 2  is the new reporting section regarding                                                               
accrediting for  the University of  Alaska. It gives  more detail                                                               
about what the  report should contain. It  uses common vernacular                                                               
to  describe  what is  expected.  The  committee packets  have  a                                                               
spreadsheet called UA Program Accreditation  Summary. He used the                                                               
column  headers in  that report,  which the  university currently                                                               
provides to the  Board of Regents, and used that  language in the                                                               
committee  substitute. The  fiscal note  cites existing  Board of                                                               
Regents  policy.  He used  terms  from  the  fiscal note  in  the                                                               
committee  substitute.  The   committee  substitute  gives  clear                                                               
parameters and definitions  of what the report  should look like.                                                               
The committee substitute  aligns to what the  university is doing                                                               
now. One  thing that is  added is  to give specific  attention to                                                               
any  accrediting that  could be  compromised. The  goal is  to be                                                               
preemptive rather than reactive.                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES   asked  how  future  chairs   of  the  education                                                               
committee  will  know  that  the reports  must  be  presented  in                                                               
MR. LAMKIN responded that the language  is crafted to give a fair                                                               
amount of flexibility  to the legislature. The  legislature has a                                                               
lot of  institutional history and traditions.  Between the Senate                                                               
Secretary, House  Clerk, committee chairs, and  other members, he                                                               
is confident that such a presentation would be scheduled.                                                                       
8:36:34 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES said  that  the  bill states  that  the Board  of                                                               
Regents "shall  prepare and present  in person," so it  tells the                                                               
Board of  Regents what they shall  do. She thought it  did put it                                                               
on the  Board of Regents,  but she just  wanted it on  the record                                                               
that if an  education chair failed to request it,  it would be on                                                               
the Board of Regents.                                                                                                           
CHAIR  STEVENS said  that for  an issue  like this,  it would  be                                                               
joint presentation to the House  and Senate Education Committees,                                                               
so there would be a double system making sure it occurs.                                                                        
8:37:26 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BIRCH  said he  was  struck  that  there are  dozens  of                                                               
accrediting  agencies.  He  is  amazed at  the  broad  range  and                                                               
diversity of the  accrediting bodies. He asked  if the university                                                               
pays for  membership in the  bodies. It  would be of  interest to                                                               
know how much they are paying to all the accrediting agencies.                                                                  
CHAIR STEVENS said it is a  time-consuming process. It is often a                                                               
two-year process. There are a lot of expenses involved.                                                                         
MR.  LAMKIN  said   there  is  quite  an   elaborate  network  of                                                               
accrediting agencies.  Dr. Karen  Carey can speak  to accrediting                                                               
issues. He mentioned  possible consideration of a  change for the                                                               
second date in the bill. August  15 is about six months after the                                                               
first  report,  but  it  may  not align  well  with  the  meeting                                                               
schedule for the Board of Regents.                                                                                              
8:39:33 AM                                                                                                                    
MILES BAKER,  Associate Vice President for  Government Relations,                                                               
University of Alaska,  Juneau, Alaska, said the  Board of Regents                                                               
has a fairly regular schedule.  The board typically has a meeting                                                               
the first  week of June  and the  second week of  September. They                                                               
could comply  with the way it  is currently written, but  June 30                                                               
or  July 1  would  allow the  board during  the  June meeting  to                                                               
review   this  report   before  it   came  to   the  legislature.                                                               
Alternatively, a  September 30/October  1 time frame  would allow                                                               
the board to review it in the fall meeting.                                                                                     
SENATOR HUGHES  asked whether  a report due  in January  would be                                                               
approved in December.                                                                                                           
MR. BAKER  said it would  be done in  the fall meeting,  which is                                                               
typically  in  November.  The  budget is  prepared  at  the  fall                                                               
meeting so it can be submitted to the governor's office on time.                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  said June 30/July  1 would be more  evenly spaced                                                               
if the meeting is in November.                                                                                                  
CHAIR STEVENS clarified  that Mr. Baker was saying  that it would                                                               
be  easier to  do this  report October  1 if  the board  meets in                                                               
MR. BAKER replied  yes, the end of September or  beginning of the                                                               
following month.                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  said he stated  that the  July 1 date,  after the                                                               
June  meeting, was  an option.  That  date would  be more  evenly                                                               
MR. BAKER agreed that July 1 would work.                                                                                        
CHAIR  STEVENS  asked  whether  two weeks  after  a  meeting  was                                                               
MR. BAKER said  that was very sufficient. They  have enacted some                                                               
significant process changes and that would be very doable.                                                                      
8:43:20 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  clarified that the  Board of Regents  wouldn't be                                                               
developing the report but approving it.                                                                                         
MR. BAKER said that was correct.                                                                                                
8:43:48 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH asked whether the  chair needed someone to make an                                                               
amendment to change the date from August 5 to July 1.                                                                           
CHAIR STEVENS replied that Senator Hughes would make the motion.                                                                
SENATOR  BIRCH said  he had  a  number of  inquiries from  people                                                               
associated  with the  university,  either  students, faculty,  or                                                               
others, about the  availability of Board of  Regents meetings. He                                                               
asked if they  are live streamed and what sort  of record is made                                                               
of the meetings.                                                                                                                
MR. BAKER answered  that currently the Board  of Regents meetings                                                               
are  streamed live.  All committee  materials are  out a  week in                                                               
advance.  They  comply  with  the Open  Meetings  Acts.  The  law                                                               
requires that  the board keeps  the minutes of the  meetings, but                                                               
they don't archive the streaming of the board meetings.                                                                         
8:45:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS asked  if Mr. Baker has any comments  on the fiscal                                                               
MR.  BAKER  said only  some  slight  changes to  descriptions  to                                                               
comply  with the  committee substitute.  There is  no expectation                                                               
that the fiscal note will change  in terms of finances. This will                                                               
be integrated in their system  with no additional cost associated                                                               
with the legislation.                                                                                                           
SENATOR HUGHES  said that the  fiscal note mentions  the internal                                                               
processes are annually reported to  the board, but they are going                                                               
to switch to twice a year.                                                                                                      
MR.  BAKER answered  that  is correct.  They  have established  a                                                               
number of  interim steps between  the campuses, the  provost, and                                                               
the  Academic   Student  Affairs  Council.  Another   group,  the                                                               
Academic Council, meets  monthly and will have this  as an agenda                                                               
item.  By  the  time  they  get  to  these  specific  periods  of                                                               
preparing   a  legislative   report,  they   should  have   ample                                                               
information. At  each of those meetings,  any accreditor feedback                                                               
will be reported up the chain.                                                                                                  
CHAIR  STEVENS said  there's lot  to do.  He asked  if Mr.  Baker                                                               
could answer the question about the cost of accreditation.                                                                      
MR. BAKER said  Provost Carey could answer questions.  He said he                                                               
knew  they  incurred significant  costs  internally  to do  those                                                               
multi-year  accreditation   processes.  He  could   provide  more                                                               
information to the committee.                                                                                                   
CHAIR STEVENS  said he understands that  accreditation is crucial                                                               
and  every  major  university  goes   through  that  process,  as                                                               
expensive and time consuming as it is.                                                                                          
8:48:50 AM                                                                                                                    
DR.  KAREN  CAREY,  Provost,   University  of  Alaska  Southeast,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska,  said that every accreditation  body charges fees                                                               
for the university to be  a member of the accrediting commission.                                                               
All  the  universities  in  Alaska  are  part  of  the  Northwest                                                               
Commission on  Colleges and Universities. All  accrediting bodies                                                               
charge fees  and require them to  pay for the site  visits. It is                                                               
expensive, but it is absolutely  necessary for the programs to be                                                               
accredited for the students to be successfully later.                                                                           
8:49:54 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS said that the  Northwest Commission is the big one.                                                               
Several members come to Alaska. That's  a lot of travel, a lot of                                                               
time, and  a lot of  time on the  part of the  administration and                                                               
DR. CAREY said  that at the Juneau campus they  are getting ready                                                               
to  go through  the  Northwest self-evaluation  and  host a  site                                                               
visit April  24-26. Nine  members of an  evaluation team  come to                                                               
campus for three  days to review what is in  the self-study. They                                                               
have been  working very  hard the  last year  to prepare  for the                                                               
site visit. It is  a lot of work. Every program  needs to stay on                                                               
top  of their  accreditation to  make sure  they are  meeting all                                                               
CHAIR  STEVENS  asked  if  the  Northwest  team  would  have  any                                                               
recommendations during the site visit.                                                                                          
DR. CAREY said  the team will come to campus  to verify that they                                                               
are doing what is in the  self-study. They will meet with student                                                               
groups,  faculty,  staff, advisory  council  and  members of  the                                                               
community.  They will  also meet  with  members of  the Board  of                                                               
Regents.  At the  end  of  those three  days,  the  chair of  the                                                               
evaluation  team  will  meet with  the  chancellor  and  verbally                                                               
present an overview of what  they have found. Several weeks later                                                               
they will  get a written  report of recommendations.  That report                                                               
goes to  the 11 members of  the Northwest panel who  will vote in                                                               
June   to   approve   accreditation,   to   give   them   partial                                                               
accreditation,   to   put  them   on   probation,   or  to   deny                                                               
8:53:20 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BIRCH  said he noticed  there are 65  accredited programs                                                               
and a myriad  of agencies. Most have  initial accreditation dates                                                               
after  1974.  He  wondered  how  they pay  for  the  cost  of  65                                                               
different programs. He  asked if she had a rough  estimate of the                                                               
DR.  CAREY said  each accrediting  body tells  them what  the fee                                                               
will be for the  year. They set aside the money  in the budget so                                                               
they can follow  through with accreditation. In the  late 60s and                                                               
early 70s,  there was  a great push  for programs  to demonstrate                                                               
that they  were providing the  education that students  needed to                                                               
be successful in whatever career  those students were going into.                                                               
Almost every professional field today  has an accrediting body to                                                               
make sure  the programs are  meeting the expectations of  what is                                                               
required  in the  field, so  that students  can be  prepared when                                                               
they complete their education.                                                                                                  
CHAIR STEVENS  said some accreditation bodies  are more important                                                               
than others.  The Northwest Commission  is the big one.  And then                                                               
there are some programmatic accreditation.  He asked if that were                                                               
DR. CAREY replied  that the Northwest Commission is  the big one.                                                               
In  order to  have  any access  to any  of  the federal  programs                                                               
through  the  federal  Department  of  Education,  they  must  be                                                               
accredited  by the  Northwest Commission.  In  many cases,  other                                                               
accrediting bodies are important to employers.                                                                                  
8:56:37 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES moved  a conceptual amendment to  CSSB 53, Version                                                               
M, page 2, line 22, to delete  August 15 and replace it with July                                                               
8:56:56 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS  announced that  without objection,  the conceptual                                                               
amendment is adopted.                                                                                                           
8:57:16 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  STEVENS  opened  public testimony  and  after  determining                                                               
there  was   none,  closed  public  testimony.   He  removed  his                                                               
objection and solicited a motion.                                                                                               
8:57:42 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  moved to  report CSSB 53,  version M  as amended,                                                               
with individual recommendations and attached fiscal note.                                                                       
8:57:52 AM                                                                                                                    
Chair  Stevens announced  that  without  objection, CSSB  53(EDC)                                                               
moved from the Senate Education Standing Committee.                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB053_UnivAK_AccreditReporting_BillText_VersionM.pdf SEDC 2/26/2019 8:30:00 AM
SB 53
09_SB053_UnivAK_AccreditReporting_BillText_ExplanationChanges_Version A to M.pdf SEDC 2/26/2019 8:30:00 AM
SB 53
10_SB053_UnivAK_AccreditReporting_Sectional_VersionM.pdf SEDC 2/26/2019 8:30:00 AM
SB 53