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02/09/2017 01:30 PM TRANSPORTATION

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01:38:10 PM Start
01:38:52 PM HB60
02:11:24 PM Adjourn
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+= HB 60 MOTOR FUEL TAX;TRANSPORTATION MAINT. FUND TELECONFERENCED
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        HB 60-MOTOR FUEL TAX; TRANSPORTATION MAINT. FUND                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  60,  "An Act  relating to  the  motor fuel  tax;                                                               
relating to the  disposition of revenue from the  motor fuel tax;                                                               
relating to a transportation maintenance  fund; and providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:39:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICK  D'ANDREA, Vice  President,  Public  Affairs, United  Parcel                                                               
Service of America,  Inc. (UPS), stated that  UPS appreciates the                                                               
long-standing working relationship it has  with Alaska.  He added                                                               
that UPS  proudly employs more  than 1,100 workers in  the state,                                                               
with almost 500  of those being pilots domiciled in  Alaska.  Mr.                                                               
D'Andrea stressed  that Alaska  has played  an important  role in                                                               
"UPS's global  reach" and  that for the  past decade  Ted Stevens                                                               
Anchorage  International  Airport has  been  its  gateway to  the                                                               
Asian-Pacific  region.     He  noted  that   in  recognizing  the                                                               
geographic importance  of Anchorage, UPS put  a training facility                                                               
for its  MD-11 and 747  fleets there.   Mr. D'Andrea  shared that                                                               
UPS recently expanded  its fleet to include 14  "747-8s," with an                                                               
option to  purchase an additional 14,  and that it hopes  to have                                                               
the new aircraft flying through Anchorage in the future.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. D'ANDREA  affirmed that  UPS originally  chose to  operate in                                                               
Alaska because  of the business-friendly  climate created  by the                                                               
elected leadership.   He said that  UPS pays close to  $6 million                                                               
in taxes  as well as  approximately $7.2 million in  landing fees                                                               
annually to  cover costs at the  airports.  He conveyed  that UPS                                                               
is  sympathetic   to  the  current  budgetary   situation  facing                                                               
lawmakers and the  state of Alaska, and he  assured the committee                                                               
that UPS is here to be part of the solution.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:41:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. D'ANDREA  explained that UPS  is in a unique  situation, with                                                               
regard  to the  proposed motor  fuel tax  bill, because  it would                                                               
take a  hit in  two different ways:   once on  the ground  in the                                                               
form  of an  increased motor  fuel tax  and then  again from  the                                                               
increased  jet fuel  tax.   He stressed  that UPS  fully believes                                                               
users, including itself, should pay  their fair share to maintain                                                               
infrastructure;  therefore,  UPS   fully  supports  the  proposed                                                               
increase in motor fuel  tax, because it is a pure  user fee.  Mr.                                                               
D'Andrea alluded  that he would  later clarify how the  pure user                                                               
fee motor  fuel tax varies from  the jet fuel tax.   He bolstered                                                               
the notion  by pointing out  that UPS  uses almost every  road in                                                               
Alaska, so  it sees  paying the  motor fuel tax  user fee  as its                                                               
duty.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. D'ANDREA  asserted that UPS  does not support an  increase in                                                               
jet fuel because  it is not a  pure user fee.  He  noted that UPS                                                               
and  other airlines  already pay  user fees  to airports  through                                                               
landing fees.  As he  previously mentioned, UPS pays $7.2 million                                                               
annually  in landing  fees to  the  Alaska International  Airport                                                               
System (AIAS).   He  noted that the  AIAS is  self-sustaining and                                                               
requires  little, if  any, state  funding, because  the passenger                                                               
and  commercial   airlines  pay   for  operational   support  and                                                               
infrastructure improvements.  Mr.  D'Andrea added that increasing                                                               
the  jet fuel  tax will  also  increase the  indirect subsidy  to                                                               
airports.   He  explained  that there  are  currently 17  Federal                                                               
Aviation  Administration  (FAA)  certified  airports,  which  UPS                                                               
doesn't  use,  where  there  are no  landing  fees  collected  to                                                               
sustain the  airports.   He suggested that  in essence,  under HB
60,  UPS  would be  paying  money  in  additional fuel  taxes  to                                                               
directly support airports  that it does not utilize.   He further                                                               
suggested that UPS does not consider jet fuel tax a user fee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA declared  that in  addition  to UPS  and Delta  Air                                                               
Lines, Inc.  ("Delta"), there are  other members of  the aviation                                                               
community, including  those involved in Airlines  for America and                                                               
the Cargo  Airline Association, who are  concerned that targeting                                                               
the aviation industry for a  state budget shortfall could cause a                                                               
reduction in  both cargo  and commercial flights  to Alaska.   He                                                               
appended  that it  could also  cause an  accelerated push  toward                                                               
dependence on newer aircraft that  would allow airlines to bypass                                                               
Anchorage altogether.   Mr. D'Andrea stressed that  a decrease of                                                               
the  number of  flights  in this  area  raises further  concerns,                                                               
including   the   potential    of   diminished   investments   in                                                               
infrastructure  if fewer  airlines are  paying into  the aviation                                                               
fund through fuel taxes.   He reiterated that UPS empathizes with                                                               
Alaska  and  its current  fiscal  environment  as well  as  being                                                               
appreciative  of  the   growth-friendly  environment  Alaska  has                                                               
provided  to the  aviation  industry  in the  past  and that  the                                                               
industry  urges the  state  to consider  the  consequences of  an                                                               
increased jet fuel tax on the state.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:44:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SULLIVAN-LEONARD asked  whether Mr.  D'Andrea had                                                               
an estimation of annual jet fuel if it were to be exempt.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA asked  Representative  Sullivan-Leonard to  clarify                                                               
whether  she  was   talking  about  the  jet  fuel   tax  or  the                                                               
international exemption.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SULLIVAN-LEONARD   responded    that   she   was                                                               
addressing the jet fuel tax.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA asked  her  to rephrase  her  question and  clarify                                                               
whether she was asking how much it would cost UPS.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SULLIVAN-LEONARD inquired  how much was originally                                                               
figured for  the jet fuel  tax and  whether it was  estimated how                                                               
much would be saved.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  offered  his  understanding  that  Representative                                                               
Sullivan-Leonard  was  asking  how much  UPS'  fuel  expenditures                                                               
would increase if jet fuel tax were to increase.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SULLIVAN-LEONARD  clarified  that she  wanted  to                                                               
know how much UPS would save if it were exempt.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL rephrased  his understanding  that the  figure the                                                               
committee  was looking  for was  how much  UPS would  save if  it                                                               
didn't have to  pay the increase.  He asked  whether Mr. D'Andrea                                                               
had an estimate of how much  UPS would pay out under the proposed                                                               
increase.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA  responded that  the  amount  varies by  year,  but                                                               
currently ranges from  $500,000 to $1 million.  He  noted that if                                                               
UPS started flying the 747-8s then the number would be higher.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP inquired  whether any UPS packages  go out to                                                               
any of the 17 FAA certified airports.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. D'ANDREA answered  that he was fairly sure  some UPS packages                                                               
get delivered  through the aforementioned  airports.   He offered                                                               
an estimate that  less than 3,000 UPS packages go  outside of the                                                               
urban areas.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:46:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  clarified his understanding  that less  than 3,000                                                               
UPS packages go out to the previously mentioned airports.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA resolved  that he  meant outside  of Anchorage  and                                                               
Fairbanks  when  he  referenced   the  small  percentage  of  its                                                               
packages that travel outside of urban areas.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STUTES  extended  her  awareness that  there  are  two,                                                               
possibly three, UPS  trucks in Kodiak, and she  asked whether the                                                               
less than 3,000  packages previously quoted by  Mr. D'Andrea, for                                                               
all the rural areas, was on an annual basis.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. D'ANDREA responded  that the figure is  representative of air                                                               
volume  flown in.   He  noted that  depending on  the need,  some                                                               
freight can be  trucked from place to place.   He illustrated his                                                               
point by  saying that two-day  delivery packages  probably needed                                                               
to go  by air,  but ground shipping  packages allowed  for other,                                                               
longer delivery methods.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STUTES followed up that  everything that comes to Kodiak                                                               
comes by UPS "blue," because there are no connecting roads.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA  conceded that  Co-Chair  Stutes  was correct  that                                                               
everything is delivered by air in Kodiak.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   STUTES   acknowledged   her  bewilderment   with   the                                                               
aforementioned figure of 3,000 packages.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  provided his perception that  flights traveling to                                                               
and from  international destinations are already  exempt from the                                                               
jet fuel  tax, so  that in the  instance Mr.  D'Andrea previously                                                               
mentioned,  where 777's  and other  long-range aircraft  are more                                                               
regularly  used  to  fly  over Anchorage,  the  increase  in  tax                                                               
wouldn't really effect those aircraft.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. D'ANDREA  answered that  is correct but  noted that  UPS also                                                               
flies domestic  routes between the  United States  and Anchorage.                                                               
He added  that that  is where  the tax would  be incurred  and by                                                               
passengers as well.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  clarified  that  he  meant  flights  flying  over                                                               
Anchorage to avoid the tax would be international.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. D'ANDREA responded that is correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  said that  jet fuel tax  is currently  being paid,                                                               
but when  not designated  for airports, it  simply goes  into the                                                               
general fund.   He asked  whether Mr. D'Andrea has  any objection                                                               
to how the jet fuel taxes are currently structured.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA  pointed  out that  currently  UPS  is  essentially                                                               
paying  for other  airports, and  it is  the belief  of UPS  that                                                               
airports should be self-sufficient.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL shared that there  are over 200 airports in Alaska.                                                               
He  expressed  uncertainty  that  all  of  them  could  be  self-                                                               
sufficient.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:50:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND inquired  whether Ted  Stevens Anchorage                                                               
International Airport actually needs  the additional revenue from                                                               
an increase in  jet fuel taxes, since the  air carrier consortium                                                               
funds  the airport  through landing  fees and  other taxes.   She                                                               
also questioned whether the problem  is something that has arisen                                                               
along the way  or if the increases are something  the Ted Stevens                                                               
Anchorage International Airport and AIAS are seeking.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  D'ANDREA deflected  to Deputy  Commissioner Binder  for more                                                               
detail.   He  offered his  understanding that  since the  AIAS is                                                               
self-sufficient,  any current  jet  fuel taxes  were directed  to                                                               
other  airports,  besides  Ted  Stevens  Anchorage  International                                                               
Airport or Fairbanks International Airport.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  stated  his  perception that  the  jet  fuel  tax                                                               
currently  collected goes  directly in  the general  fund, so  it                                                               
could   be   going  into   schools   or   other  things   besides                                                               
transportation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:53:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANA  DEBEL,  Managing  Director,   State  and  Local  Government                                                               
Affairs, Delta  Air Lines, Inc.  ("Delta"), stated that  Delta is                                                               
proud to  be the second  largest commercial carrier in  the state                                                               
of Alaska  and that it  carries about  12 percent of  the state's                                                               
passengers.   She  explained that  Delta's service  in Alaska  is                                                               
year-round  to  Anchorage  and  Fairbanks  and  seasonal  to  the                                                               
Southeast  communities  of Juneau,  Sitka,  and  Ketchikan.   Ms.                                                               
Debel stated  that over the  past few  years Delta has  worked to                                                               
expand  its  footprint  in  Alaska,   and  it  looks  forward  to                                                               
continuing that  growth.  She  added that one area  of particular                                                               
importance for expansion  has been the hub of  Seattle, which has                                                               
grown 100 percent  in terms of seat capacity over  the past three                                                               
years.  Ms. Debel explained that  like UPS, Delta confirms that a                                                               
tripling of  jet fuel tax will  take Alaska from one  of the more                                                               
competitive states to  one of the more expensive  states in terms                                                               
of effective  tax rates.  She  explained that a number  of states                                                               
don't tax jet fuel at all,  while some have an effective cap that                                                               
is significantly lower than what  the effective tax rate would be                                                               
if the proposed legislation passes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DEBEL  declared  that  Alaska  is  both  a  challenging  and                                                               
competitive  environment to  operate in  today and  that anything                                                               
that  will make  it more  challenging, from  a cost  perspective,                                                               
will  make   it  more  difficult   to  attract   competition  and                                                               
additional services.   She declared that Delta is  not opposed to                                                               
paying  its "fair  share."   She  explained that  much like  UPS,                                                               
Delta  pays landing  fees, rental  rates, and  passenger facility                                                               
charges  and, through  lease agreements  with  airports and  fuel                                                               
flowage fees,  it does its part  to support airports.   Ms. Debel                                                               
shared that  Delta is  concerned about  the money  from increased                                                               
taxes  going to  fund infrastructure  and operations  of airports                                                               
not utilized by  Delta.  She announced that  Delta maintains that                                                               
the appropriate way to deal with  costs of operation is in direct                                                               
negotiations with the  airlines that operate there  or with other                                                               
aviation partners that utilize the airport.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:56:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP   mentioned  the  letter  from   Alaska  Air                                                               
Carriers Association  (AACA), included  in the  committee packet,                                                               
requesting  an amendment  to repeal  the existing  foreign flight                                                               
exemption.   He asked whether  Delta has taken a  formal position                                                               
on the bill as it currently stands.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DEBEL answered  that Delta  is not  a member  of AACA.   She                                                               
noted that  the position  taken in  the letter  from AACA  is not                                                               
reflective  of Delta's  position.   Delta  does  not support  the                                                               
increase as  it currently sits in  the bill and would  be open to                                                               
working with committee members.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL inquired whether  Delta currently has international                                                               
flights  that  would   be  taking  advantage  of   the  fuel  tax                                                               
exemption.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DEBEL   answered  no.     She   said  Delta   only  operates                                                               
domestically out of Alaska.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  reiterated his question  of whether Delta  had any                                                               
flights that fueled  up in Anchorage and then went  on to Asia or                                                               
Europe.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DEBEL confirmed that Delta does not.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  asked  Ms. Debel  whether  he  was  understanding                                                               
correctly  that  Delta  sees  the need  for  Alaska  to  increase                                                               
revenue from  different sources,  but instead of  a jet  fuel tax                                                               
tripling,  Delta  would  prefer   to  see  separate  negotiations                                                               
instead of an across the board deal.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. DEBEL  clarified that she  intended to mean that  in airports                                                               
where Delta operates,  it almost always pays  landing fees and/or                                                               
rental  rates  through terminal  leases.    She added  that  when                                                               
airports need to raise revenue  it usually happens through direct                                                               
negotiations  around landing  fees  or  landing fee  adjustments.                                                               
She  also   mentioned  that  airport  revenue   generation  often                                                               
involves lease  negotiations for  space Delta might  be utilizing                                                               
inside the  terminal, on the  apron, inside hangers, or  "back of                                                               
house space."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  said  that  he interpreted  that  Ms.  Debel  was                                                               
talking about facility usage and not  fuel tax.  He asked whether                                                               
Delta is okay with the current fuel tax level in Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DEBEL asserted  that  Delta is  not  looking for  additional                                                               
exemption from the existing fuel tax rate.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:00:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  BINDER, Deputy  Commissioner, Office  of the  Commissioner;                                                               
Executive Director,  Alaska International Airport  System (AIAS),                                                               
Department  of  Transportation   &  Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),                                                               
repeated the question  previously asked about whether  any of the                                                               
jet  fuel   tax  revenue  collected  at   Ted  Stevens  Anchorage                                                               
International Airport  and Fairbanks International  Airport flows                                                               
into the AIAS.   He stated that  the answer is no.   He explained                                                               
that  all  fuel   tax  revenue  collected  across   the  state  -                                                               
regardless of  which airport - flows  into the general fund.   He                                                               
mentioned landing  fees as  an example  of an  additional revenue                                                               
source and  said that no  matter whether  it is collected  at Ted                                                               
Stevens  Anchorage   International  or   Fairbanks  International                                                               
Airport,  it  flows  into  an enterprise  fund  to  maintain  the                                                               
operating and capital costs for that system.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SULLIVAN-LEONARD  requested   that  Mr.   Binder                                                               
clarify whether a portion of the  landing fees went into both the                                                               
international airport fund and the state general fund.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BINDER  answered that landing  fees collected at  Ted Stevens                                                               
Anchorage  International  Airport   and  Fairbanks  International                                                               
Airport flow into the international  airport fund and the rest of                                                               
the airports  in the state  are used  free of charge  by carriers                                                               
and  users.    He added  that  there  is  no  other rate  or  fee                                                               
structure at any of the other airports in the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   WOOL   asked  whether   it   is   Mr.  Binder's   sole                                                               
responsibility  to oversee  Ted  Stevens Anchorage  International                                                               
Airport  or  whether  there  are   others  across  the  state  he                                                               
oversees.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BINDER  acknowledged  that  he  oversees  both  Ted  Stevens                                                               
Anchorage  International  Airport   and  Fairbanks  International                                                               
Airport and also oversees the  general operation of the remaining                                                               
240 other airports in the state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  offered his assumption  that Mr. Binder  knows how                                                               
the  needs of  the  state  are and  aren't  being  met and  asked                                                               
whether  he agreed  that  it was  a  good use  of  funds for  any                                                               
additional revenue coming from jet fuel  or aviation gas to go to                                                               
the other 200 airports.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BINDER stated that he agreed.   He explained that the general                                                               
operating  cost  for  the  rural system  -  which  is  everything                                                               
besides   Ted  Stevens   Anchorage   International  Airport   and                                                               
Fairbanks International  Airport - is  $40 million per year.   He                                                               
furthered  his  point  by  elaborating  the  discrepancy  between                                                               
current fuel  tax revenue  generation of  about $4.5  million and                                                               
current operating costs.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL asked whether Mr.  Binder had a response when asked                                                               
about Ted  Stevens Anchorage International Airport  and Fairbanks                                                               
International  Airport  being   totally  self-sufficient  through                                                               
landing fees, et  cetera, and why carriers such as  UPS and Delta                                                               
should be concerned with paying  increased fuel taxes only to pay                                                               
for other airports that are not of concern to them.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BINDER said that Co-Chair Wool  addressed a fair concern.  He                                                               
explained that he feels the argument  holds true in regard to the                                                               
international fuel  tax exemption  where the  international cargo                                                               
carriers,  just  passing  through Anchorage  and  Fairbanks,  are                                                               
certainly  not using  the  rural airport  systems.   Contrary  to                                                               
that, passenger  carriers or UPS  and FedEx do utilize  the rural                                                               
airport systems.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:06:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  inquired  as  to how  many  of  the  240                                                               
airports in the state charge landing fees.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BINDER answered zero.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN shared  his  opinion  that there  doesn't                                                               
appear to be a link between use  and cost, and he wondered if the                                                               
department  had an  opinion  on whether  landing  fees should  be                                                               
implemented at the other airports.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BINDER  explained that  about  two  years ago  the  governor                                                               
tasked the  department with  investigation of  revenue generation                                                               
options  because  of  the  discrepancy  between  users  of  those                                                               
facilities and  the revenue  generated by  those facilities.   He                                                               
continued that part of the  effort was to engage individuals from                                                               
the  stakeholder group  and that  one of  those was  the Aviation                                                               
Advisory Board.   He noted that some of  the options investigated                                                               
were  aircraft registration  fees, airport  user fees,  a landing                                                               
tax, or a fuel  tax.  He noted that the number one  goal is to be                                                               
equitable and  fair across  all user groups  and to  not increase                                                               
the cost to the administration to collect those fees.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:08:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SULLIVAN-LEONARD  offered  her  understanding  of                                                               
smaller municipal  airports, such  as the  one in  Wasilla, where                                                               
fees are incurred through leases and not landing fees.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.    BINDER    confirmed   Representative    Sullivan-Leonard's                                                               
understanding.    He reiterated  that  the  main difference  with                                                               
local sponsors of municipally operated  airports is the desire to                                                               
achieve  self-sufficiency through  imposed  rates and  fees.   He                                                               
added that  the rural  system collects  fees through  lease rates                                                               
for tenants.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL inquired  whether landing  fees were  included for                                                               
every plane that landed or whether there was a size limit.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BINDER explained  that landing  fees  are generally  charged                                                               
based on  a certain  rate per 1,000  pounds of  certified maximum                                                               
gross take-off  weight.  He  noted that gross take-off  weight is                                                               
used to  avoid problems  where individuals might  want to  try to                                                               
pay less  because the aircraft is  only half full.   He said that                                                               
the smaller  type aircraft below 6,000-12,000  pounds, which lots                                                               
of private general  aviation categories fall into,  are charged a                                                               
flat rate;  the larger  passenger aircraft  are charged  per 1000                                                               
pounds.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL asked  what the typical smallest flat  fee would be                                                               
in Anchorage, and whether or not that included Lake Hood.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BINDER answered  that he  did not  have the  current minimum                                                               
weight rates for Ted Stevens  Anchorage International Airport and                                                               
Fairbanks International  Airport but offered  to get back  to the                                                               
committee with that information.   He offered an example that the                                                               
747-800 aircraft  pays approximately $3,000 per  landing and that                                                               
it is the largest aircraft to land there.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  asked  whether  Lake  Hood  is  included  in  the                                                               
collection of landing fees.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BINDER answered no.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:11:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL announced that HB 60 would be held over.                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB60 Supporting Documents - Alaska Airmen Letter 2.6.17.pdf HTRA 2/9/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 Opposing Document - Alaska Airlines Letter 1.30.17.pdf HTRA 2/9/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 Opposing Document - UPS & Delta Jet Fuel Letter 2.1.17.pdf HTRA 2/9/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 Supporting Docucment - UPS Letter 2.1.17.pdf HTRA 2/9/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 Supporting Document - AACA Letter 2.1.17.pdf HTRA 2/9/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 Supporting Document - AOPA 1.29.17.pdf HTRA 2/9/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 Opposing Document - UPS Letter 2.9.17.pdf HTRA 2/9/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60