Legislature(2019 - 2020)GRUENBERG 120

03/21/2019 03:00 PM STATE AFFAIRS

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          HCR 4-UNIFORM RULES: COMMITTEE ON COMMITTEES                                                                      
3:31:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION NO. 4, Proposing  an amendment to                                                               
the Uniform  Rules of  the Alaska  State Legislature  relating to                                                               
the membership of the Committee on Committees.                                                                                  
3:32:03 PM                                                                                                                    
The committee took an at-ease from 3:32 p.m. to 3:34 p.m.                                                                       
3:33:37 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE moved  to adopt  Amendment 1,  [labeled 31-                                                               
LS0673\S.1, Wallace, 3/15/19], which read:                                                                                      
     Page 1, line 12, following "committee":                                                                                    
          Insert "and the Committee on Committees,"                                                                         
CO-CHAIR FIELDS objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE relayed that she  supports the intent of HCR                                                               
4 to  make the Uniform  Rules conform with  legislative practices                                                               
and to allow for the appointment  of at least five members on the                                                               
Committee  on Committees,  but not  to exceed  25 percent  of the                                                               
total  house membership.    She stated  that  under the  proposed                                                               
amendment, the Committee  on Committees would be  entitled to the                                                               
number of seats  proportional to the number  of minority members,                                                               
like  the appointment  of members  of standing  committees.   She                                                               
offered  that such  a  proportional makeup  of  the Committee  on                                                               
Committees  would be  equitable.   She  said,  "Our democracy  is                                                               
designed to  protect the voice  of the minority."   She expressed                                                               
her  belief   that  legislative   conduct  should   reflect  that                                                               
3:35:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  stated that  he opposes Amendment  1 but                                                               
not because  he opposes the  sentiment behind the amendment.   He                                                               
explained  that HCR  4  was developed  in  consultation with  the                                                               
leaderships of the  House and Senate; it  offers an intentionally                                                               
narrow and prescriptive approach.   He maintained that because of                                                               
the  alignment of  the leadership  of  both bodies  to draft  the                                                               
resolution, he is hesitant to  make any additional changes to the                                                               
Uniform  Rules than  what was  discussed.   He  offered that  the                                                               
Committee  on  Committees is  a  "different  animal"; it  has  no                                                               
policy-making power;  it is entirely  appointed by  the presiding                                                               
officer  - the  President of  the Senate  or the  Speaker of  the                                                               
House; and  there is effectively  no deliberation that  occurs in                                                               
the Committee  on Committees.   He mentioned that  he understands                                                               
on a  symbolic level the  importance of  minority representation.                                                               
He  said it  is  worth noting  that the  minority  leader of  the                                                               
Senate has a  seat on the Senate Committee on  Committee; that is                                                               
not  true for  the  House.   He  reiterated  that a  proportional                                                               
representation  on  the  Committee   on  Committees  would  be  a                                                               
symbolic gesture and one to which he is sympathetic.                                                                            
3:38:05 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked for  confirmation of his understanding:                                                               
by statute, the  Committee on Committees in the House  is to have                                                               
five  members; currently  it has  seven; the  proposed resolution                                                               
would specify at  least five members; if seven, all  seven can be                                                               
from the majority;  and the Senate allows one  minority member to                                                               
serve on its Committee on Committees.                                                                                           
CO-CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS replied,  "That is  correct."   He added                                                               
that  the   presiding  officer  appoints  the   entirety  of  the                                                               
Committee on Committees.   The President of  the Senate appointed                                                               
the Senate minority leader to the Committee on Committees.                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL  asked for  the  number  of members  on  the                                                               
Senate Committee on Committees.                                                                                                 
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS answered, "There  are five members on the                                                               
Senate Committee on Committees."                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS relayed that he  supports the amendment and would                                                               
consider it as a separate Uniform Rules change.                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX   commented  that  she   thought  [former]                                                               
Representative  [Charisse]  Millet  served on  the  Committee  on                                                               
Committees last year [2018].                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS stated that  he thought that was correct.                                                               
He offered that  he would be willing to  work with Representative                                                               
Vance to  gage the  support of the  House and  Senate leaderships                                                               
for her  proposed rules  change; if there  is alignment  from the                                                               
leadership of both bodies, he would support it.                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE suggested  that offering  amendments to  be                                                               
heard in  committee, in  fact, is the  process for  getting input                                                               
from the  legislative bodies.   She  relayed that  she approached                                                               
legislators  with more  seniority and  the Speaker  of the  House                                                               
about this  issue.   She expressed that  her reason  for offering                                                               
the amendment is  that when passing legislation  or adjusting the                                                               
Uniform  Rules,  legislators  should  not think  just  about  the                                                               
current  situation, but  about the  future; circumstances  change                                                               
and leaders  change; it  is an  opportunity to  make improvements                                                               
now, not later.                                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  expressed her belief that  every committee                                                               
member  in House  State Affairs  Standing Committee  supports the                                                               
amendment;  therefore,  they  would  not  want  to  hold  up  the                                                               
resolution.     She  suggested  that   the  committee   pass  the                                                               
amendment,  discuss it  with the  leadership,  and if  it is  not                                                               
supported, it can be changed in  the next committee of referral -                                                               
the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                         
CO-CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS offered  that Representative  LeDoux has                                                               
made a good point.  He said  that his preference would be to have                                                               
the  conversations  with  leadership  first  before  passing  the                                                               
amendment, although either  order would work.   He mentioned that                                                               
there is no  rush to pass the resolution; it  is a "housekeeping"                                                               
measure.     He  offered  to   approach  the  House   and  Senate                                                               
leaderships about amenability to  incorporate the amendment [into                                                               
the resolution].   In response  to Co-Chair Fields,  he confirmed                                                               
his desire to hold over the resolution.                                                                                         
3:44:48 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  relayed that  he supports that  decision; he                                                               
does not  like to pass on  resolutions to be "fixed"  in the next                                                               
committee; and  the resolution could  fail due to  the amendment.                                                               
He stated  that he remembers  the Committee on  Committees having                                                               
minority members in the past -  possibly as a courtesy; it is not                                                               
a policy committee, but a  committee to facilitate the Speaker in                                                               
appointing  committees.   He speculated  that  the committee  had                                                               
changed from five to seven members to add two minority members.                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE SHAW suggested voting on  the amendment so that it                                                               
would be considered in the next committee.                                                                                      
CO-CHAIR FIELDS clarified  that Representative Kreiss-Tomkins has                                                               
suggested that the resolution not  be reported from the committee                                                               
to give  him time to discuss  it with leadership.   He maintained                                                               
that  he  supports   the  amendment,  if  it   doesn't  stop  the                                                               
resolution  from going  forward.   He asked  Representative Vance                                                               
whether she  supports holding the resolution  over and discussing                                                               
it with leadership.                                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  concurred with  that  plan  of action  and                                                               
stated that  if leadership  does not  support the  amendment, she                                                               
would withdraw the amendment.                                                                                                   
3:48:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS  opened  public  testimony  on  HCR  4.    After                                                               
ascertaining  that no  one wished  to testify,  he closed  public                                                               
CO-CHAIR FIELDS stated that HCR 4 would be held over.                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB0020 Sponsor Statement 3.21.19 Version G.pdf HSTA 3/21/2019 3:00:00 PM
HSTA 4/18/2019 3:00:00 PM
HB 20
HB0020 Sectional Analysis 03.21.19 Version G.pdf HSTA 3/21/2019 3:00:00 PM
HSTA 4/18/2019 3:00:00 PM
HB 20
HB0020 Ver G 3.21.19.pdf HSTA 3/21/2019 3:00:00 PM
HSTA 4/18/2019 3:00:00 PM
HB 20
HB0020 Summary of Changes Version S to G 3.21.19.pdf HSTA 3/21/2019 3:00:00 PM
HSTA 4/18/2019 3:00:00 PM
HB 20
HB0020 State Affairs PresentationVersion G.pdf HSTA 3/21/2019 3:00:00 PM
HSTA 4/18/2019 3:00:00 PM
HB 20