Legislature(2017 - 2018)GRUENBERG 120

03/14/2017 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS

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         HB 74-DRIVER'S LICENSE & ID CARDS & REAL ID AC                                                                     
3:42:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  announced that the final  order of business                                                               
would  be   HOUSE  BILL   NO.  74,  "An   Act  relating   to  the                                                               
implementation of the  federal REAL ID Act of  2005; and relating                                                               
to issuance  of identification cards  and driver's  licenses; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
3:43:38 PM                                                                                                                    
AVES  THOMPSON, Executive  Director, Alaska  Trucking Association                                                               
(ATA), testified in  support of HB 74.  He  mentioned that ATA is                                                               
a  statewide organization  representing the  interests of  nearly                                                               
200-member companies  from Barrow to  Ketchikan.  He  stated that                                                               
freight  movement is  an  essential element  of  the economy  and                                                               
impacts  everyone.    He  offered  that  HB  74  provides  for  a                                                               
compliant  REAL  ID  driver's license  in  addition  to  Alaska's                                                               
current  non-compliant  federal REAL  ID  driver's  license.   He                                                               
noted  that  the  proposed legislation  would  impact  commercial                                                               
driver's licenses (CDLs).  He  relayed that the Division of Motor                                                               
Vehicles (DMV)  web page  shows a total  of nearly  33,000 Alaska                                                               
CDL  holders,  and  there are  thousands  of  commercial  vehicle                                                               
drivers not required to hold CDLs  because of the weight of their                                                               
trucks.   He maintained  that many  commercial drivers,  both CDL                                                               
and non-CDL,  need to enter  military installations  during their                                                               
daily deliveries.   The deliveries  include food,  fuel, consumer                                                               
goods, military  material, and all  things necessary to  supply a                                                               
small city, while providing for the national defense.                                                                           
MR. THOMPSON stated that in  the Anchorage area, many CDL holders                                                               
have  a Transportation  Workers Identification  Credential (TWIC)                                                               
card, which is a requirement  for unescorted access into the Port                                                               
of Anchorage.   He added that  the TWIC card is  a requirement of                                                               
the  U.S.   Coast  Guard  (USCG),  the   Transportation  Security                                                               
Administration  (TSA), and  the Department  of Homeland  Security                                                               
(DHS), and serves as  a REAL ID under the federal  REAL ID Act of                                                               
2005 ("REAL  ID Act").   He  added that the  large number  of CDL                                                               
holders in the  state suggests that the impact of  not offering a                                                               
compliant CDL or another driver's license would be considerable.                                                                
MR. THOMPSON  testified that military installations  are governed                                                               
by federal rules, and after  June 6, 2017, Alaska-issued driver's                                                               
licenses and  CDL licenses will no  longer be accepted as  a form                                                               
of  acceptable  identification  (ID)   [for  access  to  military                                                               
installations].    He  stated  that  drivers  needing  access  to                                                               
military bases would  need to obtain a  federally recognized form                                                               
of ID -  a TWIC card, a  passport, a military retiree  card, or a                                                               
military ID.   A  TWIC card  costs more than  $100, and  it takes                                                               
four to  six weeks  for the  card to be  issued.   Passports also                                                               
cost money and take time for issuance.                                                                                          
MR. THOMPSON  related that there would  be an impact of  the REAL                                                               
ID Act on many Alaskan  drivers needing access to military bases.                                                               
Although TWIC card holders are  common in Anchorage, many drivers                                                               
do  not  have them.    In  Fairbanks  and the  Interior,  drivers                                                               
typically do  not have TWIC  cards, because  they do not  need to                                                               
access the port of Anchorage.                                                                                                   
MR.  THOMPSON  stressed  that  the  provisions  of  the  proposed                                                               
legislation  are  a "big  deal  for  us."    He offered  that  he                                                               
understands concerns about privacy  issues and people not wanting                                                               
an  additional  ID, but  he  reiterated  that DMV  has  presented                                                               
options - either  a compliant REAL ID driver's license  or a non-                                                               
compliant REAL  ID driver's  license.  He  added that  this gives                                                               
Alaskans the choice.   He suggested that June 6,  2017, is just a                                                               
few months  away, and DHS  will not give Alaska  more extensions.                                                               
He urged the committee to take swift action on HB 74.                                                                           
3:49:24 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  questioned why  - if this  is "such  a big                                                               
deal" and  the deadline is looming  - people can't just  get TWIC                                                               
or passport cards.   She added that the passport  card only costs                                                               
$50 and is good for 10 years.                                                                                                   
MR.  THOMPSON answered  that the  TWIC  card costs  over $100,  a                                                               
passport  is  $50,  and  they  both take  time  to  obtain.    He                                                               
suggested  that $50  is a  great  deal of  money to  some of  the                                                               
drivers.  He  added that ATA is  waiting to see if  HB 74 passes,                                                               
and  it is  not  reasonable  to expect  truck  drivers to  obtain                                                               
another form of ID in the meantime.                                                                                             
3:51:29 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  KNOPP referred  to the  letter dated  January 31,                                                               
2017, submitted  by Mr.  Thompson and  included in  the committee                                                               
packet, and asked if ATA had concerns with HB 74.                                                                               
MR. THOMPSON responded that no, ATA did not oppose HB 74.                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  KNOPP asked  for  clarification  that TWIC  cards                                                               
were an acceptable form of ID to access military bases.                                                                         
MR. THOMPSON answered yes.                                                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP asked if enrollment in  TSA Pre9® authorizes                                                               
access to military bases.                                                                                                       
MR. THOMPSON stated that it was his understanding  that TSA Pre9®                                                               
and  [U.S.  Customs and  Border  Protection  (CBP)] Global  Entry                                                               
programs are both acceptable forms  of federal ID; however, there                                                               
are fees involved.                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  KNOPP asked  for  verification  that operating  a                                                               
vehicle having a gross vehicle  weight (GVW) of 10,000 pounds and                                                               
under does not require a commercial license.                                                                                    
MR.  THOMPSON  responded that  a  Class  A  CDL is  required  for                                                               
operating a  vehicle having a GVW  of 26,000 pounds or  more, and                                                               
Class B and Class C CDLs cover lower GVW ratings.                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP relayed  that he received a  notice from DMV                                                               
stating that  the REAL ID  Act demands CDL drivers  provide proof                                                               
of citizenship.   He  suggested either CDL  drivers will  need to                                                               
comply with  the Act regardless  of whether  HB 74 passes  or DMV                                                               
has  issued  the  requirement  prematurely.    He  asked  if  Mr.                                                               
Thompson had any information on DMV's notice.                                                                                   
MR. THOMPSON responded that he did not.                                                                                         
3:55:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MARLA  THOMPSON,  Director,  Division of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
Department of  Administration (DOA), responded that  recently the                                                               
federal government mandated  that CDL drivers must  show proof of                                                               
citizenship.  It  is a requirement, but does  not constitute REAL                                                               
ID compliance.                                                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP asked why  fulfilling that requirement would                                                               
not make a person REAL ID compliant.                                                                                            
MS. THOMPSON said  that even though it is  the same documentation                                                               
that would be needed to obtain  a REAL ID, the difference is that                                                               
Alaska is  not a REAL  ID-compliant state.   If HB 74  passes, it                                                               
would be quick and  easy for the CDL holder to  obtain a REAL ID,                                                               
having already provided the proof of citizenship.                                                                               
3:56:34 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   WOOL  expressed   his  understanding   that  the                                                               
critical difference  for obtaining a  REAL ID versus  obtaining a                                                               
regular  driver's  license  is not  the  documentation,  but  the                                                               
verification of that documentation.                                                                                             
3:58:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MINTA MONTALBO,  Special Assistant,  Office of  the Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of Administration  (DOA), answered  that is  correct.                                                               
She  said that  providing proof  of citizenship  for a  CDL is  a                                                               
federal   requirement,   and  even   though   it   is  the   same                                                               
documentation that is required for REAL  ID, the CDL would not be                                                               
an acceptable ID for TSA unless Alaska becomes a REAL ID state.                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  asked if in  the eight years since  the REAL                                                               
ID Act was  passed, ATA has made any effort  on the federal level                                                               
to try to reverse the highly debated Act.                                                                                       
MR. THOMPSON answered  that ATA has made some  effort to minimize                                                               
the  impact of  the Act,  but he  is not  aware of  any organized                                                               
effort  to  repeal  it.    He  mentioned  that  there  have  been                                                               
objections from  states as evidenced  by the fact that  26 states                                                               
have not complied with the REAL ID Act.                                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  expressed his  belief that  the requirements                                                               
that the REAL ID Act is  imposing are unfair to drivers, workers,                                                               
Alaskans,  and  Americans.    He stated  his  desire  to  explore                                                               
efforts  in  applying pressure  at  the  federal level  to  allow                                                               
Americans  to  have  access [to  federal  installations]  and  to                                                               
MR. THOMPSON  said that ATA's position  is that it has  lost this                                                               
fight  and, at  this  point,  can only  comply  with the  federal                                                               
requirements.   He mentioned that  even though ATA is  willing to                                                               
pursue applying  pressure at the  federal level, there is  a June                                                               
6,  2017,  deadline,   and  the  failure  of   the  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature to act would put ATA in a bind.                                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  added  that  it is  not  the  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature  that is  putting  ATA  in a  bind,  but the  federal                                                               
4:01:05 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIAN  DUFFY, Director,  Administrative Services  Division (ASD),                                                               
Department of  Military & Veterans'  Affairs (DMVA),  stated that                                                               
Joint  Base Elmendorf-Richardson  (JBER)  currently is  complying                                                               
with provisions of the REAL ID  Act.  He said, "Visitors who wish                                                               
to obtain unescorted  access and do not have  [U.S. Department of                                                               
Defense]  (DoD)   identification  cards   or  others   which  are                                                               
compliant  with REAL  ID  Act  are being  denied  entry or  being                                                               
required to be escorted by a ...  DoD ID card holder while on the                                                               
[military]  installation."     This  includes   individuals  with                                                               
driver's licenses  from Maine, Missouri,  and Montana,  and those                                                               
with  non-enhanced licenses  from Minnesota  and Washington.   He                                                               
attested that  if there is  no change  in Alaska statutes  by the                                                               
expiration date  of June 6,  2017, then Alaska  driver's licenses                                                               
will be designated as insufficient.   He added that ID cards from                                                               
six additional states will also be  added to the list of ID cards                                                               
designated as  insufficient, assuming  no change occurs  in those                                                               
states.  Maine and Montana were added  to that list at the end of                                                               
January 2017.   He maintained  that installations have  no waiver                                                               
authority, and  there is  no expectation  that they  would pursue                                                               
MR.  DUFFY stated  that  not everyone  needing  access to  Alaska                                                               
installations has DoD ID cards.   He mentioned that JBER has some                                                               
50  mission partners  -  some  federal, some  state,  and some  a                                                               
combination of  public and private  organizations.   Base leaders                                                               
estimate  approximately  14,000  contractors  and  local  service                                                               
providers  may be  affected [if  Alaska does  not become  REAL ID                                                               
compliant], and  alternative forms  of ID  would be  required for                                                               
access to the  military installation.  He asserted  that it would                                                               
be  highly unreasonable  to assume  that  the installation  would                                                               
provide escorts  for all of  these visitors.  He  mentioned there                                                               
are  other  organizations  that   are  affected,  such  as  those                                                               
employed  to   move  military  families  onto   or  off  military                                                               
installations.  He added that  on JBER, all 3,262 military family                                                               
housing units  are privatized; they  are operated and owned  by a                                                               
private  organization.    Consequently, there  is  an  associated                                                               
workforce   that    requires   access   to    the   installation.                                                               
Additionally,  DMVA, which  is  headquartered  on the  Richardson                                                               
side of JBER, encompasses a 260-person organization.                                                                            
MR. DUFFY  explained that currently  all of these  people serving                                                               
JBER are issued Defense  Biometrics Identification System (DBIDS)                                                               
cards,  which  allow  them  to  have  unescorted  access  to  the                                                               
military installation.   To  get that card,  they must  produce a                                                               
REAL ID-compliant form of ID  for verification.  Those cards will                                                               
be  allowed to  expire  at  their normal  expiration  dates.   He                                                               
stated that  if HB 74  does not pass,  all the people  with DBIDS                                                               
cards who wish to maintain  unescorted access to the installation                                                               
and, in  many cases, need  access to be  able to report  to work,                                                               
would have  to submit other  forms of ID sufficient  for issuance                                                               
of DBIDS cards.                                                                                                                 
4:05:34 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked  how the states that are  not REAL ID                                                               
compliant  are  handling  the  dire   situation  that  Mr.  Duffy                                                               
MR. DUFFY  responded that 24  states have complied with  the REAL                                                               
ID Act.   He  added that  for those states  that have  not, their                                                               
driver's licenses are insufficient  to allow unescorted access to                                                               
military  installations.   He  gave  the  example of  Joint  Base                                                               
Lewis-McChord, south  of Spokane, Washington, which  issues about                                                               
220,000 passes per  year.  If a  person's only ID is  from a non-                                                               
REAL ID-compliant state, he/she  is not allowed unescorted access                                                               
to the base.  He/she must have  a sponsor or will be turned away.                                                               
In response  to Representative  LeDoux, he  conceded that  he did                                                               
not know  what is done regarding  workers who need access  to the                                                               
4:06:55 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP recommended  that the military installations                                                               
in Alaska  look at "Plan  B" to  ensure suppliers have  access to                                                               
military bases, in case HB 74 does not pass.                                                                                    
MR.  DUFFY relayed  that military  bases are  federal facilities,                                                               
not state facilities,  so DMVA has limited  opportunity to adjust                                                               
the  federal posture  on REAL  ID.   He added  that the  military                                                               
installations   in  Alaska   would   comply   with  the   federal                                                               
requirements, as  other states have  done, and convey  to workers                                                               
what they will need to do to work on base.                                                                                      
4:07:58 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  mentioned that Minnesota's REAL  ID bill was                                                               
blocked on  March 6, 2017.   He  asked if Minnesota  has military                                                               
MR.  DUFFY answered  that he  did not  believe Minnesota  had any                                                               
active  installations,  but may  have  [U.S.  National] Guard  or                                                               
[military]   reserve  installations.     He   stated  that   both                                                               
Washington and  Minnesota have the  enhanced version option  of a                                                               
driver's license,  which is  compliant with the  REAL ID  Act and                                                               
can be used for unescorted access to federal installations.                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK   stated  that  the   Minnesota  legislature                                                               
rejected some measure of  REAL ID on March 6 by  a vote of 29-38.                                                               
He relayed  that if Minnesota  does not  [enact] a change  to its                                                               
driver's  licenses,   residents  will  need  additional   IDs  or                                                               
enhanced driver's licenses to access federal facilities.                                                                        
MR.  DUFF, in  response  to Representative  Tuck, explained  that                                                               
DBIDS  cards  are for  those  with  a  recurring need  to  access                                                               
military installations, and the card is valid for one year.                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK asked  if a passport is an  acceptable ID for                                                               
obtaining a DBIDS card.                                                                                                         
MR. DUFFY answered yes.                                                                                                         
4:10:43 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP  asked if  a person  could enter  a military                                                               
facility  with  just  a  passport.   He  suggested  that  if  the                                                               
passport has  not been  verified, then  it would  not be  REAL ID                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL  expressed  his understanding  that  in  the                                                               
past,  DMV  would  have  taken  an  ID  at  face  value,  whereas                                                               
currently, DMV verifies  that ID through a  connection with other                                                               
databases.    He suggested  that  a  passport would  suffice  for                                                               
access to federal facilities, but it is not a REAL ID.                                                                          
4:12:20 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  said that Alaska used  to send documentation                                                               
for  driver's licenses  to Fairbanks  to  be held  in the  Alaska                                                               
State Troopers' barracks, before  the current practice of sending                                                               
it to Indiana.  He maintained  that the files were secure but not                                                               
electronic.  He  expressed his understanding that  under the REAL                                                               
ID  Act, the  files would  be transferred  to a  database through                                                               
connection with a "hub," along with  every other state.  The data                                                               
would   be  centralized,   maintained  securely   by  a   private                                                               
organization, and  used for the  verification process.   He added                                                               
that the  documents are stored  as images  for up to  five years,                                                               
regardless of  whether the  documentation results  in a  REAL ID.                                                               
He  suggested that  security and  privacy remain  issues in  this                                                               
scenario in which private entities  have access to information in                                                               
a central location.                                                                                                             
MR.  DUFFY  mentioned  that  he  would  approach  JBER  officials                                                               
regarding Representative Knopp's question  about the process that                                                               
is used to convert a compliant ID into a DBIDS card.                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP reiterated that  he is interested in finding                                                               
out if a  passport allows access to  a military base or  if it is                                                               
the  verification   of  the  passport  that   allows  access,  as                                                               
suggested by Representative Wool.                                                                                               
4:15:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  THOMPSON   explained  that  currently  DMV   personnel  view                                                               
documents and  take them at face  value.  She said  that under HB
74, personnel would  examine each document to determine  if it is                                                               
a compliant  document.   She stated that  storage of  the records                                                               
would be required, but there  are currently regulations requiring                                                               
storage of records, so it is  already being done.  She added that                                                               
the  records are  stored  at DMV;  they do  not  go Outside;  DMV                                                               
shares as little as possible; and they are kept for seven years.                                                                
4:17:47 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  relayed that currently DMV  scans and stores                                                               
documents  electronically, and  the data  is not  shared with  an                                                               
outside entity.   He asked  if, in the  future under the  REAL ID                                                               
Act, the  process would remain the  same or if the  data would be                                                               
stored in a central database.                                                                                                   
MS.  THOMPSON  replied  that  the data  is  maintained  on  local                                                               
servers and is  not shared Outside.  She attested  that with REAL                                                               
ID, that practice would be the same.                                                                                            
4:18:52 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX asked  if any  of the  states refusing  to                                                               
implement REAL  ID have military bases  and, if so, how  have the                                                               
military bases dealt with this situation.                                                                                       
MR.  DUFFY  responded that  Fort  Leavenworth  in Missouri  is  a                                                               
federal  installation in  a non-compliant  state.   He maintained                                                               
that  in response  to this  situation,  the installation  refuses                                                               
unescorted access to  anyone without a REAL  ID-compliant form of                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked  what military  base  personnel  in                                                               
Alaska  are  doing to  ensure  access  to  military bases.    She                                                               
offered that  not only do  people need to access  military bases,                                                               
but the  military bases need  the people  to come onto  the base.                                                               
She asked what  provisions the military is planning  to ensure it                                                               
can bring people on base who are needed.                                                                                        
MR. DUFFY  responded that one  of two  things would happen:   the                                                               
individual requesting unescorted access  would be turned away, or                                                               
an escort would be found.  He  added that the latter would not be                                                               
a sustainable  solution for the long  term.  He suggested  that a                                                               
third option  is that the  individual desiring  unescorted access                                                               
obtains a REAL ID-compliant ID.                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked if the  individual could get the REAL                                                               
ID-compliant ID from the military.                                                                                              
MR. DUFFY answered  that an individual could obtain  a DBIDS card                                                               
but  would need  to provide  a REAL  ID-compliant form  of ID  to                                                               
vouch for his/her credentials before he/she is issued the card.                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked if a  person in a non-compliant state                                                               
who does not have a passport could get the DBIDS card.                                                                          
MR. DUFFY  responded that  he does  not think  so but  would find                                                               
4:22:21 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked  for clarification on the  dates of the                                                               
REAL ID waiver period.                                                                                                          
MR.  DUFFY  answered that  currently  the  normal process  allows                                                               
access  to the  military  bases,  but after  June  6, absent  any                                                               
change  in  the   statute,  access  to  military   bases  may  be                                                               
4:23:35 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  asked about  access to  a military  base for                                                               
children accompanied by a parent with a passport.                                                                               
MR.  DUFFY  explained  that  through  the  current  process,  DoD                                                               
dependent  children age  10 and  older are  issued DoD  ID cards.                                                               
For  children  of civilians,  ID  credentials  are validated  for                                                               
those  age 16  and  older;  for those  under  age  16, access  is                                                               
allowed without validated credentials.                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE   TUCK  reiterated   that  a   military  dependent                                                               
automatically  gets  an  ID  card  at age  10.    He  asked  what                                                               
documentation is needed for that child to be issued an ID card.                                                                 
MR.  DUFFY  replied  that  a birth  certificate  is  required  to                                                               
register a child in the  Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting                                                               
System  (DEERS) shortly  after birth.   He  explained that  DEERS                                                               
contains  details  on military  members  and  their families  and                                                               
allows military dependents to draw entitlements.                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  asked  for  confirmation:   children  of  a                                                               
civilian on base need  to show ID if age 16 or  older, but not if                                                               
under age 16.                                                                                                                   
MR. DUFFY replied that was the  threshold when he was in command,                                                               
but he would verify that with military personnel on base.                                                                       
4:27:45 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM  ROTH, Chief  Operating  Officer,  Anchorage School  District                                                               
(ASD), stated that on behalf  of Dr. Deena Bishop, Superintendent                                                               
of ASD, he  was testifying to express  the district's endorsement                                                               
of HB  74.  He  provided information and analysis  concerning the                                                               
impact of  federal implementation of Phase  3 of the REAL  ID Act                                                               
on ASD.                                                                                                                         
MR. ROTH  relayed that ASD  provides education to  1,597 students                                                               
at  five elementary  schools located  on  the JBER  installation.                                                               
Most of  these students are  dependents of active duty  U.S. Army                                                               
soldiers  and U.S.  Air Force  airmen.   He  said the  district's                                                               
information  technology (IT)  department, which  is inclusive  of                                                               
the district's  data infrastructure  in its entirety,  is located                                                               
on JBER in the  Kennedy Data Center.  He added  that JBER is also                                                               
home to the district's fine arts department.                                                                                    
MR.  ROTH   stated  that  the  district's   Pupil  Transportation                                                               
Department buses 26  special needs students from  JBER to schools                                                               
throughout  the district  and 513  secondary  school students  to                                                               
middle and  high schools in  Eagle River  and Anchorage.   At any                                                               
given  time  during  the  standard  school day,  up  to  500  ASD                                                               
employees support JBER activities, schools, and students.                                                                       
MR.  ROTH  asserted  that  the  district's  mission  on  JBER  is                                                               
holistic  and comprehensive.   He  added that  although the  five                                                               
elementary  schools  and the  Kennedy  Data  Center reside  on  a                                                               
federal installation,  ASD employees:   provide education  to all                                                               
students;  provide  administrative  oversight  to  school  staff;                                                               
maintain,  repair, and  clean all  ASD facilities  and equipment;                                                               
perform  and manage  construction projects;  manage and  maintain                                                               
networks;  and generally,  perform  all functions  expected of  a                                                               
neighborhood  elementary  school.    He said,  "Simply  put,  our                                                               
mission on JBER,  educating all students for success  in life, is                                                               
an imperative,  and it  requires access  for all  ASD employees,"                                                               
including those who substitute teach or work part-time.                                                                         
MR.  ROTH emphasized  that now  is  the time  for ASD  to act  to                                                               
sustain  its JBER  mission.   He related  that the  district will                                                               
mandate current  and new employees without  REAL ID-compliant IDs                                                               
to  obtain such  IDs in  early April.   This  is a  necessary and                                                               
timely action  to allow sufficient processing  time for employees                                                               
to receive compliant  IDs before the June  6 implementation date.                                                               
He asked for timely legislative action to enact HB 74.                                                                          
4:31:16 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP asked  if all the 1,597  school children are                                                               
children of military personnel living on base.                                                                                  
MR.  ROTH responded  that of  that  number, there  are about  100                                                               
students who are  dependents of civilian personnel  and reside in                                                               
JBER housing.                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP asked  if children age 10 and  older will be                                                               
required to have biometric cards or REAL IDs.                                                                                   
MR.  ROTH,  referring  to  Mr.  Duffy's  testimony,  stated  that                                                               
dependents of military personnel are  not required to have any ID                                                               
until age  10, at which time  their parents must obtain  ID cards                                                               
for them.  He said that  those children would already be enrolled                                                               
in DEERS.  He explained that DBIDS  is for youth age 16 and older                                                               
to gain access to military installations.                                                                                       
4:33:12 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  referred to the busloads  of children coming                                                               
on base  and asked if  only the bus driver  would need a  REAL ID                                                               
and  if  there is  or  would  be  any complication  for  children                                                               
accessing the military bases.                                                                                                   
MR.  ROTH  replied  that  currently  only  the  bus  drivers  are                                                               
obligated to  present their IDs to  access the base; there  is no                                                               
requirement for  students.  He said  that he didn't know  if that                                                               
requirement would change when Phase 3 is implemented on June 6.                                                                 
4:35:39 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  relayed that current Alaska  law states that                                                               
DOA shall not spend  any money to implement the REAL  ID Act.  He                                                               
asked if  the State of Alaska  has entered an agreement  with the                                                               
American  Association  of  Motor Vehicle  Administrators  (AAMVA)                                                               
regarding a state-to-state verification system.                                                                                 
MS.  THOMPSON   answered  that  AAMVA  is   a  non-profit,  "best                                                               
practices"  organization of  all  the states  and provinces  that                                                               
offer  driver's licenses.    The agreement  with  AAMVA does  not                                                               
commit Alaska  to implementing REAL  ID but provides  states with                                                               
access to databases containing information useful to states.                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  mentioned  that  Alaska  DMV  currently  is                                                               
exchanging information through  AAMVA and asked if  it can obtain                                                               
information from other states as well.                                                                                          
MS.  THOMPSON  answered that  DMV  does  not connect  with  AAMVA                                                               
directly but  uses the  data connections  within AAMVA  to verify                                                               
data such  as social  security numbers (SSNs).   She  stated that                                                               
DMV can verify data through queries but does not share data.                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK asked  if  DMV has  signed  a contract  with                                                               
AAMVA to  get access to  SSNs, because  it has been  difficult to                                                               
work directly with the Social Security Administration (SSA).                                                                    
MS. THOMPSON  responded that  DMV does not  have a  contract with                                                               
AAMVA.   She stated  that the  state DMVs worked  with SSA  to be                                                               
able to access data through a  process established by AAMVA.  She                                                               
added  that other  databases used  for verification  through this                                                               
process are  Social Security  Number Online  Verification (SSOLV)                                                               
within the SSA,  Problem Driver Pointer System  (PDPS) within the                                                             
U.S.  Department of  Transportation  (USDOT), and  State-to-State                                                             
(S2S)  Verification Service  to  check for  driver's licenses  in                                                               
other states.                                                                                                                   
4:39:38 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK asked  for  clarification that  DMV did  not                                                               
sign a contract with AAMVA but uses its services.                                                                               
MS.  Thompson  responded yes,  DMV  uses  AAMVA's services.    In                                                               
response to  a question from  Representative Tuck  about payments                                                               
to AAMVA for those services, she  said that there are payments to                                                               
AAMVA based on usage.  She  conceded that she would have to check                                                               
on whether there is a contract.                                                                                                 
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced HB 74 would be held over.                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB046 Letter 3.8.17.pdf HSTA 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
SB 46
HB074 Real ID Act Letter of Support Fairbanks Ch Comm 03 07 17.pdf HSTA 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HB 74
HB 082 Draft Proposed Amendment D.1 3.13.17.pdf HSTA 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HB 82
HB 74 REAL ID FAQ 3.14.17.pdf HSTA 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HB 74
State-Fed Docs Comparison.pdf HSTA 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HB 74