Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 106

02/23/2012 08:00 AM STATE AFFAIRS


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*+ HR 10 OPPOSE NAT'L POPULAR VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TELECONFERENCED
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+= HJR 33 AMEND U.S. CONST RE CAMPAIGN MONEY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 33(STA) Out of Committee
           HJR 33-AMEND U.S. CONST RE CAMPAIGN MONEY                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:10:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced  that the first order of  business was HOUSE                                                               
JOINT RESOLUTION  NO. 33, Urging  the United States  Congress and                                                               
the  President  of  the  United  States  to  work  to  amend  the                                                               
Constitution  of  the  United States  to  prohibit  corporations,                                                               
unions,  and   individuals  from  making   unlimited  independent                                                               
expenditures  supporting   or  opposing  candidates   for  public                                                               
office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:10:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LES GARA, Alaska  State Legislature, presented HJR                                                               
33  as sponsor.   He  explained the  changes that  would be  made                                                               
under  the  proposed  committee   substitute  (CS),  Version  27-                                                               
LS1231\I,  Bullard,  2/16/12.    He  said  that  in  response  to                                                               
Representatives Seaton  and Gruenberg,  the words  "supporting or                                                               
opposing   candidates  for   public   office"  appear   following                                                               
"expenditures", on  page 2, lines 12-13,  as well as in  the bill                                                               
title.  He  related that in response  to Representative Johansen,                                                               
the word  "unions" was added  following the  word "corporations",                                                               
on  page  1,  line  7.   He  said  the  reference  to  "unlimited                                                               
expenditures by  individuals" was deleted, so  that under Version                                                               
I,  the focus  is  on  the Citizens  United  v. Federal  Election                                                             
Commission,  180S. Ct.876(2010)  ("Citizens United")  case, which                                                           
related to  unlimited contributions by corporations,  unions, and                                                               
other organizations.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN interjected  that  [corporations,  unions, and  other                                                               
organizations]  were defined  as  "persons" by  the U.S.  Supreme                                                               
Court.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA stated  his personal  belief that  unlimited                                                               
contributions  by individuals  should be  regulated; however,  he                                                               
said he thinks  the committee made "a fine call"  by limiting HJR                                                               
33 to  a Citizens United resolution.   He noted that  he fixed "a                                                             
typographical error" on  page 1, line 13, to  clarify that before                                                               
the Citizens  United ruling, states  and Congress had  the option                                                             
to ban  unlimited independent expenditures from  corporations and                                                               
unions.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:13:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  moved to  adopt the  proposed committee                                                               
substitute  (CS), Version  27-LS1231\I,  Bullard,  2/16/12, as  a                                                               
work draft.   There being no objection, Version I  was before the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:13:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  opined that  corporations and  unions should                                                               
not  be  considered "persons"  for  the  sake of  elections,  and                                                               
society should be  able to limit the amount  of expenditures that                                                               
flood into political  campaigns.  He relayed that  on the federal                                                               
level, "the candidate with the most  money wins ... 95 percent of                                                               
the time."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN ventured the same is true on the local level.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  stated  that  the intent  of  the  proposed                                                               
resolution is "to  help build a movement  nationally for Congress                                                               
to  amend  the  Constitution,  to  reverse  the  Citizens  United                                                             
ruling," so that states and  Congress have the option to regulate                                                               
corporate and  union contributions.   He said, "I don't  see this                                                               
as a benefit  for either side of  the aisle.  There  are those of                                                               
us who are going to be  targeted by corporations, there are those                                                               
who  will be  targeted  by  unions ...."    He  pointed out  that                                                               
contributions to candidates are limited.   He opined, "The moment                                                               
you  have  ...  $500  million   of  contributions  going  into  a                                                               
Presidential  campaign from  outside  sources is  the moment  you                                                               
have less accountability in the political system."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:16:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA,  in response  to Chair Lynn,  confirmed that                                                               
HJR  33 would  give states  the discretion  to decide  whether to                                                               
regulate  contributions   from  corporations  and  unions.     He                                                               
conveyed that in the past, Alaska exercised that discretion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:17:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA,  in  response to  Representative  Petersen,                                                               
confirmed that  HJR 33  is encouraging an  amendment to  the U.S.                                                               
Constitution.    He  said  there   are  two  ways  to  amend  the                                                               
Constitution, but the only way that  has worked in the past is by                                                               
a  vote of  two-thirds of  each  house of  Congress, followed  by                                                               
ratification by three-quarters of the states.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:18:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  noted   that  Representative   Gara  had                                                               
consistently  used  the  word "contribution."    He  offered  his                                                               
understanding  that  Citizens United  took  away  the ability  to                                                             
limit independent  expenditures, but  did not affect  the ability                                                               
to make political campaign contributions to candidates.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA confirmed that is  correct.  He said Citizens                                                             
United  opened  the  floodgates "to  unlimited  contributions  by                                                             
corporations,   unions,   and   organizations   for   independent                                                               
expenditures."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:19:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  offered his  understanding  that  HJR 33  would  not                                                               
affect  contributions   from  individuals  or   political  action                                                               
committees (PACs).                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  confirmed that is  correct.  He  said Alaska                                                               
currently   has  strong   limits  on   direct  contributions   to                                                               
candidates.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:20:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR  MARTIN  specified  that  although he  is  an  intern  for                                                               
Representative P. Wilson,  he is testifying on  behalf of himself                                                               
in opposition to  HJR 33.  He indicated that  he was initially in                                                               
favor   of  the   proposed  joint   resolution  until   he  began                                                               
researching information  regarding Citizens  United.   He offered                                                             
his understanding  that the issue of  "corporations being people"                                                               
is a separate argument under  the Fourteenth Amendment and is not                                                               
related to Citizens  United.  He said Citizens  United dealt with                                                           
the First  Amendment and questioned why  corporations and unions,                                                               
which held  the same  First Amendment  rights as  individuals and                                                               
non-profit organizations,  did not also  share the right  to make                                                               
independent expenditures.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Martin opined that there are  no facts or data to justify any                                                               
of the statements made in HJR  33.  He directed attention to page                                                               
2 of  a handout  in the  committee packet  containing information                                                               
published by  OpenSecrets.org, to  a chart showing  total outside                                                               
spending for  election cycles from  1990 to 2012, and  he offered                                                               
his understanding  that the  chart does not  show an  increase in                                                               
independent expenditures made since the Citizens United case.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:24:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARTIN  directed attention to  the "WHEREAS" clause,  on page                                                             
2, lines 1-5 of HJR 33, which read as follows:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  much of  the hundreds  of millions  of dollars                                                                  
     being   spent  by   corporations,  unions,   and  other                                                                    
     organizations  since the  ruling of  the United  States                                                                    
     Supreme Court  in Citizens  United v.  Federal Election                                                                    
     Commission  is  going  to  negative  ads,  which  often                                                                    
     misinform  voters  rather  than lead  to  a  productive                                                                    
     discussion of  the states' and nation's  most important                                                                    
     issues; and                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARTIN  indicated the proposed  legislation includes  no data                                                               
to  support the  statement that  much of  the money  is going  to                                                               
negative  advertisement.   Regarding  the  issue of  misinforming                                                               
voters  through  negative  advertisement, Mr.  Martin  said  that                                                               
assumes  that voters  are  "empty vessels."    He indicated  that                                                               
people's votes are  guided by their religion,  family values, and                                                               
"where  we come  from," and  he  opined that  the assertion  that                                                               
corporations  or  unions will  unduly  influence  the opinion  of                                                               
voters is unfounded.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARTIN  questioned  what the  "harmful  effects  of  Citizen                                                             
United", as referred  to on page 2,  line 6 of HJR  33, would be.                                                             
In regard to  the proposed amending of the  U.S. Constitution, he                                                               
questioned which part of the  U.S. Constitution would be amended.                                                               
Mr. Martin,  in response to the  "BE IT RESOLVED" portion  of the                                                             
bill [on  page 2,  lines 11-14,  said it  is not  the job  of the                                                               
President  to  propose  amendments   to  the  U.S.  Constitution;                                                               
therefore, he said that language needs to be removed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:27:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARTIN concluded by asking  the committee to consider whether                                                               
there really  is a  problem wherein  corporations and  unions are                                                               
unduly  influencing elections  and,  if there  is  a problem,  is                                                               
rewriting the U.S.  Constitution the right answer?   He urged the                                                               
committee  not  to   support  HJR  33.    He   said  he  provided                                                               
alternatives,  listed  on  a handout  in  the  committee  packet,                                                               
including: requiring  shareholders to approve  political spending                                                               
by their  corporations, requiring corporations to  disclose money                                                               
used to  influence public opinion, requiring  the chief executive                                                               
officer of a corporation that  pays for a political commercial to                                                               
appear  as  the  sponsor,   and  strengthening  Federal  Election                                                               
Commission  (FEC)   regulations  to  increase   transparency  and                                                               
disclosure.  He  talked about an idea to  have "democracy facts,"                                                               
listed, in much  the same format as nutritional  facts are listed                                                               
for food items.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:30:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN pointed  out that opinions are,  by nature, subjective                                                               
and  based on  perception  of fact.    He said,  "An  ad that  is                                                               
perceived  as  negative by  one  is  perceived  as truth  by  the                                                               
other."    He  ventured  that  as a  citizen  of  the  U.S.,  the                                                               
President could  submit a  request for an  amendment to  the U.S.                                                               
Constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:31:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  pointed  out  that  President  Abraham                                                               
Lincoln proposed the 13th, 14th,  and 15th Amendments to the U.S.                                                               
Constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARTIN,  in response to a  question, said he is  a student at                                                               
the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  complimented Mr. Martin for  using non-                                                               
traditional logic in his testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:34:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said although he appreciates  Mr. Martin's                                                               
proposed solutions,  they would be  actions of Congress,  and the                                                               
issue  before the  committee  concerns  financial disclosure  and                                                               
contribution limits  that were embedded  by the FEC  and Congress                                                               
but were overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:35:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARTIN  responded that the aforementioned  alternatives would                                                               
not  go against  the ruling  made by  the U.S.  Supreme Court  in                                                               
Citizens  United,  but  would "create  more  oversight  on  these                                                             
corporations."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON said  corporations  are  creations of  the                                                               
individual states,  and he offered his  understanding that "this"                                                               
would  require Congress  to come  in, in  federal elections,  and                                                               
"regulate  what individual  shareholder  actions  and ...  rights                                                               
would be under the varying states' corporation laws."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARTIN said  HJR 33  is asking  Congress to  alter the  U.S.                                                               
Constitution  and  the  Bill  of   Rights,  and  he  said  he  is                                                               
uncomfortable with  that.   He said  corporations are  people who                                                               
have come together  and have certain rights, and  he posited that                                                               
they are  not all  "money-seeking."  He  said Citizen  United was                                                             
about  letting  the  people in  corporations  express  themselves                                                               
under the rights they already have.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:37:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  offered   his  understanding  that  Mr.                                                               
Martin said  that negative advertising  is not effective,  and he                                                               
ventured that  Newt Gingrich  would probably  disagree.   He said                                                               
studies  have shown  that  people  remember negative  advertising                                                               
after  fewer repetitions  than positive  advertising.   He  said,                                                               
"They  wouldn't  be  spending  tens of  millions  of  dollars  on                                                               
negative  ads  if they  didn't  work."   Regarding  Mr.  Martin's                                                               
previous remark  that there was  not much of an  increase between                                                               
the 2008  and 2010 [campaign]  expenditures, he pointed  out that                                                               
2008  was   a  Presidential   election  year,   and  Presidential                                                               
elections,  in   general,  have   more  expenditures   than  non-                                                               
presidential years.   He said he thinks that by  the end of 2012,                                                               
the amount of campaign expenditures  could easily double, or even                                                               
triple, what was spent in 2008.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:40:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHEILA FINKENBINDER  stated that although  she serves as  a staff                                                               
member to Representative P. Wilson,  she was testifying on behalf                                                               
of  herself  in opposition  to  HJR  33.    She opined  that  the                                                               
language of  the "WHEREAS"  portions of  HJR 33  are "assumptions                                                             
that are  believed by  many but  are not  based on  research that                                                               
demonstrates they  are true."   She said  even assuming  that the                                                               
statements are  true, she  believes asking  Congress to  create a                                                               
Constitutional amendment is not the best solution.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINKENBINDER posited that many  "reasonable people" would not                                                               
agree that the  influence of large amounts of  money in political                                                               
campaigns  harms the  ability of  the average  citizen to  have a                                                               
voice in his/her government, but  would instead argue that people                                                               
continue to  have the ability  to weigh the truth  in advertising                                                               
and  make  independent decisions  regarding  how  to vote.    She                                                               
stated that several  reports have shown that  the Citizens United                                                             
decision has had only an  incremental effect on campaign finance,                                                               
and  that large  campaign expenditures  occurred before  the U.S.                                                               
Supreme Court decision.   Ms. Finkenbinder argued  that there has                                                               
not been  a breakdown in the  electoral process "in spite  of all                                                               
that  money."   She  said  whether ads  run  by corporations  are                                                               
negative  is a  debatable point,  and she  opined that  "we" have                                                               
managed to  "do our  own thinking" and  have elected  "decent and                                                               
credible candidates  in spite of  all this."  She  indicated that                                                               
there has  been no evidence  to suggest that the  corporate media                                                               
should have its First Amendment rights infringed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINKENBINDER  said Congress  has had a  number of  options to                                                               
"clean  up  campaign finance,"  as  previously  mentioned by  Mr.                                                               
Martin, "almost since  the very day the  Citizens United decision                                                             
was made," and  she ventured that these options  will continue to                                                               
be researched and debated until solutions are found.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:44:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINKBINDER  argued that amendments  to the  U.S. Constitution                                                               
can   be  incredibly   complicated,   controversial,  and   time-                                                               
consuming.   Further, she said only  27 Constitutional amendments                                                               
have been adopted in the U.S.,  out of the 10,000 amendments that                                                               
have been proposed;  therefore, she ventured, the  chances of the                                                               
amendment proposed under HJR 33  happening are small.  She echoed                                                               
Mr. Martin's  remarks regarding  the inappropriateness  of asking                                                               
the  President  to  initiate  the   amendment  process,  and  she                                                               
indicated that support  for this comes from  "a document directly                                                               
from the government."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:46:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA, regarding  the  argument that  there is  no                                                               
evidence that  the public opposes  unlimited corporate  and union                                                               
contributions, stated that  every poll his staff  found shows the                                                               
opposite to be  true, and he said he could  provide those polling                                                               
results  to the  committee.   Regarding the  point made  that the                                                               
President has no  role in the amending of  the U.S. Constitution,                                                               
he  echoed  Representative   Gruenberg's  remark  that  President                                                               
Lincoln was  the one  who proposed  an end to  slavery.   He said                                                               
President Lincoln  had to  work with Congress,  who had  to enact                                                               
the amendment, and he opined  that the President should be active                                                               
in those issues  in which he/she believes.   Regarding the remark                                                               
by Mr. Martin that there is  no evidence that Citizens United has                                                             
had  any  impact,   he  echoed  the  previous   comment  made  by                                                               
Representative  Petersen  that  in Presidential  election  years,                                                               
independent  expenditures  and  campaign contributions  are  much                                                               
higher.  He said Citizens United was adopted in 2010 - a non-                                                                 
Presidential year.   He said,  "Four years  before that -  2006 -                                                               
independent expenditures  rose from $68 million  to $304 million.                                                               
That's   a  substantial   increase   in   two,  successive   non-                                                               
Presidential elections."   He said  "there is  every expectation"                                                               
that by  the end of  the 2012  Presidential election, it  will be                                                               
shown  that  in  Presidential  elections,  as  well,  independent                                                               
expenditures have increased.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA, regarding  the  suggestion  that "we  don't                                                               
know what  corporate contributions  had been," explained  that is                                                               
because  corporations don't  have to  reveal what  they spend  in                                                               
independent expenditures.   He said  he thinks the  same probably                                                               
applies to unions.  He said,  "They put money into fake groups or                                                               
groups that  have nice names,"  such as "People for  the American                                                               
Way," which does not reveal who donors to groups are.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA stated  that  he thinks  the proposed  joint                                                               
resolution is  factually accurate, with  some opinion, as  is put                                                               
in  resolutions,  and  he  would "leave  it  to  the  committee's                                                               
discretion" whether  or not to  pass HJR  33.  He  commented that                                                               
even though he does not agree  with the testimony heard today, it                                                               
was well-reasoned.   He stated,  "It is easier to  say somebody's                                                               
not telling  the truth;  its' harder  to address  somebody's good                                                               
argument head on."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:50:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN closed public testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:50:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON indicated  that since [Citizens United],                                                             
campaign expenditures have been more transparent.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:51:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  moved to  report CSHJR 33,  Version 27-                                                               
LS1231\I,  Bullard, 2/16/12,  out  of  committee with  individual                                                               
recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:51:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  objected.   He posited  that HJR  33 would                                                               
affect  First Amendment  rights  and "gets  ...  onto a  slippery                                                               
slope that we don't want to be on."   He said there are many ways                                                               
that  people   are  influenced,  including  by   on  line  social                                                               
networking, and he questioned where  the limit on control may end                                                               
up.   He  stated that  corporations are  made of  people, and  to                                                               
restrict them is to make  the statement that "people aren't smart                                                               
enough to figure out what's going on."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:53:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN expressed  appreciation for the sponsor's                                                               
passion  on  the issue,  even  though  he  said he  cannot  align                                                               
himself with it philosophically.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:53:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  stated  that  corporations  are  economic                                                               
creatures  of various  states, and  reiterated  that in  general,                                                               
their sole  duty is  to make money.   Following  Citizens United,                                                             
the  board of  directors  and the  management  can use  corporate                                                               
funds  to oppose  or  support certain  candidates  to align  with                                                               
their  economic  interests,  but  not at  the  unanimity  of  the                                                               
shareholders of  those corporations.   He said he is  not opposed                                                               
to  people forming  associations  and PACs  "for  the purpose  of                                                               
putting their  money together to  do things"; however,  he stated                                                               
that he finds  it problematic when political choices  are made by                                                               
management that are not related to  the owners of the company and                                                               
do not  benefit the shareholders'  interests.  He said  he thinks                                                               
the only  way to get around  this is to revisit  the restrictions                                                               
that   have  been   around  for   100   years  wherein   economic                                                               
corporations do  not have political  free speech in the  same way                                                               
an individual does.  He stated his support for HJR 33.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:56:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  commented that foreign  nationals sometimes  serve on                                                               
the boards of corporations.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:56:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN  recalled that  when the  Citizens United                                                             
decision was made, the majority  of the feedback he received from                                                               
his  constituents was  in opposition  to the  decision.   He said                                                               
that when  the House State Affairs  Standing Committee previously                                                               
worked on legislation that required  corporations to disclose who                                                               
was  behind  expenditures,  he received  numerous  communications                                                               
from  constituents congratulating  the committee  for doing  such                                                               
good work.   He stated his  belief that the people  who voted for                                                               
him would  like him to support  HJR 33; therefore, he  stated his                                                               
support of the proposed legislation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:57:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN, regarding  Representative Seaton's prior                                                               
comment, stated that he thinks  the interests of corporations and                                                               
shareholders  are  one  and  the  same.    Further,  he  said  an                                                               
individual  has the  choice to  socially  invest in  corporations                                                               
with similar philosophies.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:58:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  stated that his  motion was not  on the                                                               
merits of  the proposed legislation,  but on the right  to debate                                                               
the  bill.   He opined  that it  is ironic  and unfortunate  that                                                               
those supporting the right of  corporations to participate in the                                                               
political process  and exercise  the right  of free  speech would                                                               
vote against  allowing HJR 33 to  move to the full  body, so that                                                               
the full  body can  exercise its  right to debate  the bill.   He                                                               
said he probably would not feel  so vehement if the bill were not                                                               
about the right of free speech.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:00:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.   Representatives Seaton, Gruenberg,                                                               
Petersen, and Lynn  voted in favor of the motion  to report CSHJR                                                               
33, Version 27-LS1231\I, Bullard,  2/16/12, out of committee with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the  accompanying fiscal  notes.                                                               
Representatives  P. Wilson,  Keller, and  Johansen voted  against                                                               
it.   Therefore,  CSHJR 33(STA)  was  reported out  of the  House                                                               
State Affairs Standing Committee by a vote of 4-3.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:00:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  commented  that she  is  proud of  her                                                               
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:01:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG,    to   the    previous   testifiers,                                                               
paraphrased Patrick  Henry, by  saying, "I  may not  always agree                                                               
with what  you say,  but I  certainly support  your right  to say                                                               
it."                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 HR 10.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HR 10
02 HR 10 Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HR 10
03 HR10 The American Presidency and the Electoral College.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HR 10
06 CSHJR 33 Version I.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
07 HJR 33 Memo from Gara to Committee 02.17.12.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
08 HJR 33 LEG HSTA Zero Fiscal Note 2-8-12.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
09 HJR 33 Letter of Support - Move to Support.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
10 Public Testimony Veh_HJR33_HSTA_021412.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
05 HR 10 Cato Institute--Critique of the National Popular Vote.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HR 10
06 HR 10 Heritage Paper on NPV.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HR 10
07 HR 10 Debunk the myth.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HR 10
08 HR 10 Tara Ross--Legal Implications of NPV.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HR 10
01 HJR 33 Version B.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
02 HJR 33 Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
03 HJR 33 Center for Responsive Politics article.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
04 HJR 33 Backup articles.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33
05 ARTICLE The hard truth about Citizens United.pdf HSTA 2/23/2012 8:00:00 AM
HJR 33