Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/05/2002 08:02 AM STA

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HB 344-INCREASE DRIVER'S LICENSE FEES                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  announced the next  order of business,  HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO.  344,   "An  Act  increasing  fees   for  driver's  licenses,                                                               
instruction permits, and identification  cards; and providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
LINDA SYLVESTER, Staff to Representative  Pete Kott, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, told  the committee that Representative  Kott is the                                                               
chair for House Rules Standing  Committee, which is sponsoring HB                                                               
344.    She explained  that  HB  344  would  raise the  fees  for                                                               
driver's licenses  by $5,  and instruction permits  by $10.   The                                                               
revenues would go  into a general fund.  The  Department of Motor                                                               
Vehicles  (DMV) would  also seek  additional  funds to  implement                                                               
"the first-ever  overhaul of the  driver's license format."   The                                                               
current laminated license will be  converted to a digital license                                                               
system, which will bring Alaska  up to the national standards, in                                                               
terms of security and fraud prevention.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER noted  that Alaska is one of four  states that have                                                               
not yet  switched to the digital  licensing system.  In  the wake                                                               
of  September  11,  2001,  there  is a  demand  to  "harden"  all                                                               
licenses, rather  than to  create a national  ID card,  she said.                                                               
She  listed  other  standards  that  have  been  set  [regarding]                                                               
digitalization as follows:  appearance,  photo file format, and a                                                               
readable media.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER told  the committee  that the  idea [for  adopting                                                               
digital licensing]  was initiated  by DMV and  by a  group called                                                               
CHARR [Cabaret  Hotel Restaurant  & Retailers Association].   She                                                               
explained  that the  cigarette and  alcohol industries  carry the                                                               
burden of ensuring the [validity]  of licenses.  The present type                                                               
of laminated licenses are difficult to read in a bar, she said.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER  pointed to examples of  digital licenses [included                                                               
in the  committee packet].   She said that  the need for  [the ID                                                               
checker at a bar] to look for the  date of birth on a license and                                                               
calculate  the  age of  the  ID  holder  will not  be  necessary,                                                               
because underage ID's  will be formatted vertically  on the card,                                                               
instead of horizontally.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MARY MARSHBURN, Director, Division  of Motor Vehicles, Department                                                               
of Administration, told  the committee that HB  344 would provide                                                               
the  necessary   funds  for  a  much-needed   change  to  digital                                                               
licensing.   She  said  that the  four  states currently  without                                                               
digital  licensing  are  Alaska, Oklahoma,  Nebraska,  and  Rhode                                                               
Island.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  said that the  advantages of digital  licenses are                                                               
that they are  computer generated, more difficult  to alter, have                                                               
machine-readable  data, are  embossed  into card  stock, and  can                                                               
incorporate  multiple  security features.    If  someone were  to                                                               
alter the  face of a  digital license, the information  from that                                                               
license could still  be read by machine.   Furthermore, a digital                                                               
photo  of the  applicant  is  taken, which  can  be  sent to  law                                                               
enforcement.   If a  person comes  in to  report a  lost driver's                                                               
license, the department can verify that  that person is who he or                                                               
she is claiming to be.   She stated that the biggest [benefit] of                                                               
digital licensing  [will be  to] law  enforcement, which  can use                                                               
the media strip to easily transmit data.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN  reiterated  that  there is  support  for  digital                                                               
licensing  from  industries  that sell  age-restricted  products.                                                               
She  said that  ARBA (Alaska  Regional Beverage  Association) has                                                               
passed  a  resolution in  support  of  digital licensing  and  of                                                               
raising fees  to cover the cost.   CHARR had a  resolution before                                                               
it in the previous week, the result  of which had not yet come to                                                               
Ms. Marshburn's attention.  The  Anchorage Assembly currently has                                                               
a  resolution before  it,  which she  said  she anticipates  will                                                               
pass.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  noted that there  are significant benefits  to the                                                               
public,  including  greater   personal  security  and  protection                                                               
against identity  theft.   Another benefit is  that a  person who                                                               
loses an ID  while traveling can obtain a  duplicate, because the                                                               
image is on file.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN  said the  one-time  cost  to the  department  for                                                               
digital  licensing is  approximately $500,000.   The  increase to                                                               
the cost  of the driver's  license will be  $1 per year,  a small                                                               
price to pay for security, she said.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  talked about the  details on the  example licenses                                                               
depicted on  the handout.   She reiterated  that the look  of the                                                               
license for minors  will be significantly different  than that of                                                               
the license for adults.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN, in  response to a question by  Chair Coghill, said                                                               
that the bar  code would most likely  be used on the  back of the                                                               
Alaska State license.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked  if there would be any  type of device                                                               
that could  be used  by those responsible  for checking  IDs that                                                               
would allow them to run the ID through like a credit card.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN answered  that  there are  a  variety of  scanners                                                               
available that retail establishments can use to read that data.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE asked  a question  regarding making  [valid]                                                               
changes on a digital license if it were necessary to do so.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked Representative  Fate to restate his question,                                                               
because  it  was  brought  to  his  attention  by  the  committee                                                               
secretary that there  had been some technical  difficulty and the                                                               
tape was not recording.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[The foregoing minutes on HB  344 were reconstructed from the log                                                               
notes  and  Gavel  to  Gavel  recording.    At  this  point,  the                                                               
recording begins again on Tape 02-05, Side B.]                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1917                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  restated his  question.  He  asked:   If the                                                               
legislature  lowered the  drinking  age  - or  voting  age -  for                                                               
example,  how  difficult  would  it  be to  change  that  on  the                                                               
[identification] card?   For instance,  would a new card  have to                                                               
be issued, or could the software accept the change?                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  replied that the answer  would depend specifically                                                               
on what the  change in the law  was.  Most likely,  she said, the                                                               
individual would need a new license.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE  clarified  that  he  knew  the  card  would                                                               
change,  but  was  asking  if   the  computer  program  could  be                                                               
rewritten with the existing software to facilitate that change.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN said yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE noted  that startup  costs mentioned  by Ms.                                                               
Marshburn were  approximately $500,000,  [the amount]  he thought                                                               
would be  in [a fiscal note].   He explained that  he was looking                                                               
at costs  if changes  are made to  the system,  "recognizing that                                                               
each card is going to have to be changed."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN said  changes to the computer  programming would be                                                               
minimal "in terms of cost for work effort."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1817                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL pointed  out that the $500,000 is  not reflected in                                                               
the fiscal note;  he asked if that was  because changing software                                                               
was already provided for in [an existing] budget.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN  said no,  adding,  "This  is  a vehicle  for  the                                                               
revenue  to  cover  the  cost."   She  stated  that  it  was  her                                                               
understanding that the  cost could not be included  in the fiscal                                                               
note  because  revenues  cannot  be  dedicated.    She  said  the                                                               
$500,000 for the  division to do the program would  have to be by                                                               
budget appropriation  in the budget  that will come  before House                                                               
Finance Standing  Committee this year;  that would be  a separate                                                               
action by the legislature.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  replied  that generally,  however,  a  bill  that                                                               
requires  increased  spending  requires  an  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1750                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES offered remarks regarding the fiscal note:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I understand  not being able  to have  dedicated funds,                                                                    
     and that doesn't  necessarily indicate dedicated funds.                                                                    
     It  says [that]  you've  got a  change  in revenues  of                                                                    
     $900,000, and  you don't say  where the  money's coming                                                                    
     from.   Well, you say  it's $105,000, which  is general                                                                    
     fund  program receipts,  which should  be down  in that                                                                    
     part, as  well.  But,  up top,  you need to  know where                                                                    
     that money's going to go.   Are we going to get another                                                                    
     $500,000 that  we can spend  for anything we want?   Or                                                                    
     is there something  - some extra cost -  we're going to                                                                    
     have  to cover?   I  don't think  that means  that it's                                                                    
     dedicated.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1705                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  indicated the fiscal  note could be changed.   She                                                               
explained  that it  had been  drafted to  avoid to  appearance of                                                               
dedicated revenue.   She  remarked that  the bill  itself doesn't                                                               
speak to digital licensing.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1693                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  said she thinks  fiscal notes  are actually                                                               
funded separately,  and not all  of them are  covered; therefore,                                                               
it is  important to  show the  costs of [HB  344] and  where that                                                               
money will go.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  thanked Representative  James and said,  "We'll do                                                               
that."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1650                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL asked  Ms.  Marshburn for  the  projected cost  of                                                               
changing  equipment.   He  asked  if  it  would, indeed,  be  the                                                               
$500,000.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN answered  that  the $500,000  is  for the  project                                                               
development as  it relates  to software:   writing  it; providing                                                               
it; integrating it  to the existing systems;  interfacing it with                                                               
the other users;  and writing the program to  develop the license                                                               
to the  national standards, in  order to facilitate  the exchange                                                               
of data among other user agencies  in Alaska and nationally.  Ms.                                                               
Marshburn  noted  that  the division  has  an  appropriation  for                                                               
hardware in its capital budget.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1591                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   WILSON  requested   clarification  regarding   a                                                               
segment of  the analysis in  the fiscal note that  read [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     This bill  increases the fees  for the  original issue,                                                                    
     renewal, and  duplicates of  driver's licenses,  and ID                                                                    
     cards  by  $5.   The  fee  for instruction  permits  is                                                                    
     increased by $10.  The  last increase in these fees was                                                                    
     over 10  years ago.   The  Instruction Permit  is valid                                                                    
     for 2  years.   Commercial driver's  licenses including                                                                    
     school bus permits are not included in the increase.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN replied:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     All  of the  licenses  that  we issue  and  all of  the                                                                    
     permits that  we issue would  be converted  to digital,                                                                    
     so  everyone would  benefit.   We did  not include  the                                                                    
     commercial  driver's license  because that  program fee                                                                    
     was  established in  '92  or '93  and  is a  relatively                                                                    
     recent fee.   It's $100 for the license  itself and, on                                                                    
     top of that, it's an  additional $25 for the road test.                                                                    
     ...                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Post-September 11th,  there have been some  federal law                                                                    
     changes which will pass down  an additional fee of $100                                                                    
     -  not   through  the  DMV,  but   through  some  extra                                                                    
     background checks  that we will  have to  [ensure that]                                                                    
     these people  go through, but  an additional  $100 that                                                                    
     commercial drivers  are going  to have  to pay  for the                                                                    
     additional background  check, vis-à-vis  recent changes                                                                    
     in federal law.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     We felt that  that cost - basically $200 to  $225 for a                                                                    
     commercial driver's  license -  was sufficient.   If we                                                                    
     look at the numbers  of commercial driver's licenses in                                                                    
     Alaska, that  is a smaller percentage;  the majority of                                                                    
     our licenses  are the class  D licenses - what  we call                                                                    
     "regular"  licenses  - and  so  we  didn't include  the                                                                    
     commercial  drivers; they're  carrying  a pretty  hefty                                                                    
     burden already.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON said she thought that was a "good call."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1475                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JAMES  mentioned   recent  problems   of  people                                                               
boarding planes.   She said  she has been advocating  that people                                                               
volunteer to  carry an ID  card that  has a background  check and                                                               
"those kinds of  things," and therefore the  traveler wouldn't be                                                               
patted down [in  airport security].  She asked  Ms. Marshburn, if                                                               
that  were allowed,  whether it  could be  incorporated into  the                                                               
current driver's license or would mean carrying a separate one.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN said  she could  not give  a definite  answer, but                                                               
said the background checks are conducted  by DMV.  She noted that                                                               
legislation  would   be  necessary,  and  the   Federal  Aviation                                                               
Administration (FAA)  would probably be the  approving agency for                                                               
something like that.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1385                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL opined  that  tricky questions  come  up with  the                                                               
subject  of  national identification.    He  said, "This  doesn't                                                               
become  a  national ID  card,  but  it  certainly is  a  national                                                               
identifier."    He  mentioned  digitizing  and  that  privacy  is                                                               
becoming a bigger issue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1362                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE asked if the  renewal dates on licenses would                                                               
carry over in digital form.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN said  that's correct.  A person's  license would be                                                               
converted when it was up for renewal.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1346                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAYES  asked what security measures  were in place                                                               
to prevent  a [computer]  hacker, for  instance, from  [forging a                                                               
license].                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN answered  that  the state  security  system has  a                                                               
number of laws and security measures  in place already.  She said                                                               
[DMV's]  data  and  databases,  as  well as  that  of  the  state                                                               
troopers, require  very high security;  that won't change  with a                                                               
digital license.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1288                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAYES  pointed out  that  the  military also  has                                                               
those measures, but  there still are hackers  capable of breaking                                                               
into a system, no matter how good it is.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  agreed; however, she mentioned  layers of security                                                               
within the  state's mainframe computer.   Within the  agency, she                                                               
noted,  the following  security  measures are  used:   patchwork,                                                               
audit trails, auditing  of computer use, and  built-in alarms and                                                               
monitors.   Although  not foolproof  or failsafe,  those measures                                                               
are in place and wouldn't change with a digital system.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1214                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARK   MEW,   Deputy    Chief,   Anchorage   Police   Department,                                                               
Municipality  of Anchorage,  testified  via  teleconference.   He                                                               
told the  committee he  would talk  about what  digital licensing                                                               
would do for  law enforcement, in general,  but also specifically                                                               
for the Anchorage Police Department.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW referred  to Ms. Marshburn's testimony and  said that two                                                               
immediate  advantages of  using the  new licenses  would be  that                                                               
they are  more difficult to  forge and  they [make it  easier to]                                                               
determine age; both are useful to the police department.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEW explained  that a  benefit of  digital photographs  that                                                               
meet the national  standard would be the ability to  use them for                                                               
investigative purposes in  a photo lineup.   Police currently use                                                               
photos, rather than  "live" lineups.  Furthermore,  there is case                                                               
law  requiring that  lineups use  people with  similar hairstyles                                                               
and  facial features,  for example.   The  police have  access to                                                               
digital photograph  banks, from  which they  can choose  the best                                                               
lineup  of  photos; however,  Mr.  Mew  noted, [Alaska's]  photos                                                               
don't jibe with those from other states.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1014                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW  brought up the  subject of new technology  in Anchorage,                                                               
through  the  mobile   data  project,  that  he   hopes  will  be                                                               
operational  by  the  summer  of  2002.    The  project  involves                                                               
providing laptop [computers] in  all patrol cars that communicate                                                               
by   radio  frequency   to  headquarters,   he  explained.     It                                                               
facilitates writing  of police reports, transmittal  of data, and                                                               
downloading into the  police system and state  system, with "very                                                               
little  human  intervention."     He  mentioned  criminal-history                                                               
checks, automatic  vehicle location checks, and  real-time checks                                                               
in the patrol car by the officer.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEW explained  the  twofold use  of  the driver's  licenses.                                                               
Regarding  data-entry  capacity,   currently  officers  handwrite                                                               
tickets  and accident  reports,  for example.   Most  information                                                               
used in  those reports comes  right off of the  driver's license.                                                               
However, numbers  may be  transposed, and  people's names  may be                                                               
entered in  several ways.   For example, someone could  write the                                                               
name Del Smith, while someone  two days later might write Delbert                                                               
Smith, and someone else could write  Delbert J. Smith.  That data                                                               
must  be cleaned  up, he  said, because  the department  does not                                                               
want that  person showing up  in the database as  three different                                                               
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW  explained that if  that person's card were  scanned each                                                               
time  with the  same name,  date of  birth, and  driver's license                                                               
number, then  the information wouldn't require  correction later.                                                               
These corrections create expense for  the department.  Worse yet,                                                               
incorrect  information   may  get  passed  on   to  the  district                                                               
attorney, the court, or [the  Department of] Corrections, thereby                                                               
creating melee in all of the systems.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW said he would like  to see Ms. Marshburn's system updated                                                               
to  fit in  with the  digitization.   He said  the aforementioned                                                               
example could  be avoided  by "utilizing  licenses such  as we're                                                               
discussing  now."   He  concluded  that  the advantages  to  [the                                                               
police  force] are  great  in terms  of  officer time  "upfront";                                                               
quality  of data;  and clerical  time "downstream,"  in terms  of                                                               
housekeeping in the system.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0742                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES,  following  up   a  previous  question  by                                                               
Representative  Hayes,  asked  how  other people  are  kept  from                                                               
intercepting [information in] the system.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEW   answered  that  there   are  new  Federal   Bureau  of                                                               
Investigation  (FBI) standards  for security  on any  system that                                                               
interfaces with  the National Crime Information  Center (NCIC) or                                                               
any  state system  authorized by  NCIC, which  would include  the                                                               
Alaska  Public Safety  Information Network  (APSIN).   He offered                                                               
that  those  standards  would   involve  128-bit  encryption  and                                                               
"certain other  protocols" that would  make it  nearly impossible                                                               
to monitor and decipher.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW said [the police department]  has to pass audits in order                                                               
to utilize  the system, whether it's  by radio or hard-line.   He                                                               
reminded the  committee that this  is not  top-secret, classified                                                               
information;  there are  ways  for  the public  to  get the  same                                                               
information if they to go through "the right channels."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0618                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRAWFORD  expressed  fear  that  the  country  is                                                               
moving toward "a  national passport system."  He  stated that one                                                               
basic tenet of [the constitution] is  the right to be left alone.                                                               
He  voiced concern  about how  much information  such as  medical                                                               
information could be  put on the barcode [of  a driver's license,                                                               
or  other type  of ID  card].   It could  be used  as a  national                                                               
tracking  system under  which people  would be  required to  give                                                               
their licenses to  the checker at the grocery store  or any other                                                               
place they went, he warned.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0500                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW responded that perhaps  Ms. Marshburn should address that                                                               
concern, because  the police  wouldn't have  anything to  do with                                                               
what information is put on the card.   He added that the focus of                                                               
[the  police  department] is  to  be  able  to utilize  the  same                                                               
information already on the card, but in a more efficient manner.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0475                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  told Mr. Mew  he thought he'd  done a good  job of                                                               
explaining  the benefits  of a  consistent, expedient  system and                                                               
how  the   upgrade  of  technology   improves  the   exchange  of                                                               
information.   He announced  that his intention  was not  to move                                                               
the bill  out of  committee until the  fiscal note  was received.                                                               
He  suggested further  subjects for  discussion regarding  HB 344                                                               
may include monetary amounts and the concerns expressed.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0359                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEL  SMITH,  Deputy  Commissioner, Office  of  the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of Public  Safety  (DPS), said  he  has been  talking                                                               
about digital  licensing since he  held Deputy Mew's  position in                                                               
1987.  He said he thinks it  was then that a demonstration by DMV                                                               
was held, which he attended.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH noted  that although the bill's focus  is raising fees,                                                               
he  wouldn't  be  addressing  that.    He  reiterated  Mr.  Mew's                                                               
comments regarding law enforcement's  ability to make substantial                                                               
use of information that is currently,  by statute, on the face of                                                               
a  driver's  license, through  the  use  of  barcodes.   He  told                                                               
committee members  he appreciated  the concern regarding  some of                                                               
the information that  could potentially go into a  card, but said                                                               
his present  interest is information  on the face of  the license                                                               
that is currently required by statute.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH  indicated that  although  the  Alaska State  Troopers                                                               
could  see  a  use  for  "in-car  terminals"  in  the  Fairbanks,                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna,  and Anchorage  areas  in the  not-too-distant                                                               
future,  it has  no  plan in  place to  use  them throughout  the                                                               
state,  because of  the "far-flung  reaches" that  are patrolled.                                                               
Considering  the  short-term  applications, he  said,  he  thinks                                                               
digital  licensing would  be beneficial  to  law enforcement  for                                                               
many reasons, including,  as Mr. Mew mentioned,  interfacing on a                                                               
national level.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH noted  that there  is  encryption for  "across-the-air                                                               
transmissions."  He expressed certainty  that standards will need                                                               
to be met for NCIC 2000.   He explained that NCIC is the database                                                               
that  one  checks for  "wants"  or  warrants nationally,  or  for                                                               
information  regarding stolen  property; NCIC  2000 is  "just the                                                               
latest permutation," whereas he  believes the original center has                                                               
been in  existence since  sometime in  the 1970s.   The  DPS, law                                                               
enforcement,  and  the Alaska  Association  of  Chiefs of  Police                                                               
support  the move  to a  digital  license, he  said, to  increase                                                               
security  and help  determine  who should  be  buying alcohol  or                                                               
cigarettes.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0096                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH,  in response to  an earlier comment  by Representative                                                               
James,  said he  thinks the  potential exists  for having  a card                                                               
that  could be  put  through  a scanner  at  an airport  security                                                               
checkpoint   for  those   who  voluntarily   have  provided   the                                                               
information; it could involve a  photo ID and verification of who                                                               
it  is.   He recalled  hearing on  the news  of a  plan to  allow                                                               
frequent  travelers to  go through  a special  line; however,  he                                                               
pointed out, that  causes concern [by other  travelers] when some                                                               
people go through a shorter line.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0020                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES, reevaluating  her previous  concerns about                                                               
the fiscal  note, indicated the  current fiscal note  probably is                                                               
correct  because  "nothing  in  this  piece  of  legislation  ...                                                               
authorizes them to  go do anything; actually, it  just raises the                                                               
rate."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-06, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0026                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JAMES  remarked   that  the   comment  regarding                                                               
encryption  did  not  make her  feel  "100  percent  comfortable"                                                               
because,  as  Representative  Hayes   stated,  there  are  people                                                               
[capable of hacking into a system].   She stated the necessity of                                                               
moving forward and becoming smarter than those people.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0068                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH noted that when  he first began work involving driver's                                                               
licenses in  1968, they were  made of paper and  partially filled                                                               
out by hand.  He said  the current driver's license is still easy                                                               
to  change;   therefore,  using  a  secure,   digitally  produced                                                               
[license] makes  sense.  He  mentioned people's concerns  and the                                                               
resulting  removal  by the  legislature  of  the social  security                                                               
number.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0142                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES conveyed  her  concern  that [the  barcode]                                                               
should only provide  the information that is on the  face of [the                                                               
license].                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN confirmed that the  only information in the barcode                                                               
would be that which is on the face of the license.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  expressed  shock  at discovering  the  amount  of                                                               
information  a  person  can  find on  the  Internet  about  other                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0235                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked, with this new  digital system, what                                                               
the  implications  are  with  regard   to  FBI  requirements  and                                                               
security  as  it  interfaces  with  passports  and  international                                                               
travel, for instance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0286                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH answered:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Technology  is mind-boggling  to me  and changes  every                                                                    
     day.  I  believe it potentially can be  done by linking                                                                    
     them.   Right  now, I  would assume  that Deputy  Chief                                                                    
     Mew's officers have an in-car  terminal they can swipe,                                                                    
     that they can inquire  against the Alaska Public Safety                                                                    
     Information  Network   to  determine  if   there's  any                                                                    
     "wants"   or  warrants   or   "locates"   out  for   an                                                                    
     individual.    It  also  would,  presumably,  determine                                                                    
     whether  or  not  there are  any  national  "wants"  or                                                                    
     warrants  for  the individual.    It  depends upon  the                                                                    
     linkages that  NCIC does, then,  out to  other agencies                                                                    
     about whether or  not you would want  to check passport                                                                    
     status, citizenry status - those kinds of things.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     There certainly is  a lot of potential to  gather a lot                                                                    
     of  information  about  an individual  fairly  quickly,                                                                    
     which,   I   believe  was   Representative   Crawford's                                                                    
     concern.   It is  out there,  but electronically  it is                                                                    
     able to be consolidated, which  I think is a concern to                                                                    
     most  people.    But  I  think,  technologically,  what                                                                    
     you're  asking:   yes, it  could be  done, the  same as                                                                    
     swiping it  at the  airport, I assume,  if you  did one                                                                    
     against the national databases.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0380                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL acknowledged this  subject of concern, but returned                                                               
attention  to the  focus of  the bill,  to raise  the fees.   The                                                               
policy  call, he  said, would  be whether  [the committee]  would                                                               
vote to  waive the  fees; he also  mentioned the  connection with                                                               
the fiscal  note.  He asked  Ms. Marshburn if she  wanted to make                                                               
any last comments.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  deferred to Mr.  Mew to address  concern expressed                                                               
about the transmission of data.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0524                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEW  reminded members  that  the  data under  discussion  is                                                               
currently  going out  over  radio for  everyone  to hear;  names,                                                               
driver's license  numbers, and  identifying features  are radioed                                                               
back and  forth between  any officer  conducting a  records check                                                               
and the dispatcher.   Switching to digital  [licensing] will make                                                               
this nearly impossible to monitor, he noted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  said he  appreciated that.   He announced  that HB                                                               
344 would be held over.                                                                                                         

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