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03/20/2017 07:00 PM RESOURCES

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07:02:34 PM Start
07:03:14 PM HB87
08:52:24 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+= HB 87 CONFLICT OF INTEREST: BD FISHERIES/GAME TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 87(FSH) Out of Committee
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+= HJR 12 OPPOSING GEN. ENGINEERED SALMON TELECONFERENCED
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-- Public Testimony --
+= HB 32 LABEL GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD TELECONFERENCED
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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 172 INDUSTRIAL HEMP PRODUCTION LICENSES TELECONFERENCED
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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= HB 46 PROCURE AK FISH/AG PROD.;ALASKA GROWN TELECONFERENCED
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         HB 87-CONFLICT OF INTEREST: BD FISHERIES/GAME                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:03:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  87, "An Act relating to  participation in matters                                                               
before  the Board  of  Fisheries and  the Board  of  Game by  the                                                               
members of the respective boards;  and providing for an effective                                                               
date."  [Before the committee was CSHB 87(FSH).]                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR opened public testimony on CSHB 87(FSH).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK), recommended that the Board  of Game (BOG) not be included                                                               
in this  legislation.  He  explained that RHAK's concern  is that                                                               
the  bill would  mandate  the  addition of  a  new subsection  to                                                               
Alaska  Statute (AS)  39.52.120  that begins  with the  language,                                                               
"Notwithstanding  any other  provision  of  this chapter,"  which                                                               
means it would supersede the  requirements in AS 39.52.120(c) and                                                               
39.52.220  of the  Alaska Executive  Branch  Ethics Act  ("Ethics                                                               
Act").   This would open  the door to  allow someone to  serve on                                                               
the Board of Game or  Board of Fisheries while potentially having                                                               
a range of conflicts of interest  that would not serve the boards                                                               
well and  would be  a detriment  to a fair  public process.   Mr.                                                               
Richards  said  his organization  also  finds  it odd  that  both                                                               
boards are  aware of the bill,  yet neither board has  weighed in                                                               
on  the bill  and said  whether the  conflict of  interest is  an                                                               
issue that concerns  them.  While RHAK  understands the rationale                                                               
for redefining an  immediate family member within  the Ethics Act                                                               
for  Board of  Fisheries members,  he continued,  therein perhaps                                                               
lays  the  entire  crux  of   this  bill  that  the  sponsor  has                                                               
recognized  causes issues  with the  Board of  Fisheries members.                                                               
The bottom  line, he concluded,  is that  this bill goes  too far                                                               
trying to fix an  issue that is far and away  only with the Board                                                               
of Fisheries.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:08:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  said he  questions whether  it would  be true                                                               
that the bill would trump  existing AS 39.52.120(c) and 39.52.220                                                               
because  the new  subsection (g)  that  would be  created by  the                                                               
bill, still says, "Before deliberating  the member shall disclose                                                               
the interest  on the record."   So, it  would not be  relaxed, he                                                               
continued,  conflicts   of  interest  would  still   have  to  be                                                               
disclosed.  He requested Mr. Richards to provide clarification.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS replied  that  a memorandum  from  the Division  of                                                               
Legal  and  Research  Services [dated  2/9/17  to  Representative                                                               
Stutes  from Linda  M. Bruce,  Legislative  Council] states  that                                                               
including the  language, "Notwithstanding any other  provision of                                                               
this   chapter,"  would   cause  the   other  provisions   in  AS                                                               
39.52.120(c) and 39.52.220 to be superseded and canceled.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON  said his  understanding  is  that the  first                                                               
sentence within the proposed new  Subsection (g) of the bill says                                                               
that the  person notwithstanding a conflict  can still deliberate                                                               
and that is the only thing that  is new there.  Responding to Mr.                                                               
Richards,  Co-Chair  Josephson  confirmed  that  Version  R  [30-                                                               
LS0376\R] is the version of the bill before the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS responded  that if  the  aforementioned were  true,                                                               
then there  would be no  reason whatsoever to have  the language,                                                               
"Notwithstanding any  other provision  of this  chapter," because                                                               
that would negate having that language in this bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON said he does not read it that way.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:10:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   PARISH  offered   his  understanding   that  Mr.                                                               
Richards would  like for the  Board of  Game to be  excluded from                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  inquired whether  someone is  available to                                                               
interpret the [proposed] statute.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GLENN  HAIGHT, Executive  Director,  Board  of Fisheries,  Boards                                                               
Support  Section, Alaska  Department  of Fish  & Game,  responded                                                               
that he is not an attorney and  therefore may not be the best one                                                               
to provide an answer, but that he  reads the bill the same way as                                                               
does Co-Chair Josephson.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  said his concern  is that the  conflict of                                                               
interest is redefined  in this section because  the definition of                                                               
immediate  family member  is changed.   He  inquired whether  his                                                               
concern  is  misplaced  given  the  interpretations  of  Co-Chair                                                               
Josephson  and Mr.  Haight.   Continuing, he  clarified that  his                                                               
question is  whether the bill represents  a substantive departure                                                               
from  the  status  quo  for purposes  of  determining  whether  a                                                               
conflict of interest exists.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAIGHT replied yes, it  would narrow what an immediate family                                                               
member is; redefining  that is the main thing the  bill does.  He                                                               
said  he  reads   the  language  such  that  if   a  conflict  is                                                               
determined, the  board member is  not fully recused -  the member                                                               
is allowed to be involved in the deliberation but not to vote.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:13:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND inquired about  the organization that Mr.                                                               
Richards' represents.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS answered that Resident  Hunters of Alaska (RHAK) was                                                               
formed in March  2016 because of concerns with the  Board of Game                                                               
and  the decisions  it was  making about  wildlife resources  and                                                               
allocations  to  resident  hunters.   The  organization  is  fast                                                               
growing,  he said,  representing over  1,000 Alaskan  families in                                                               
advocating for resident hunter priority  according to the state's                                                               
constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:14:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON said she is  confused because the House of                                                               
Representatives  is  contemplating  making conflict  of  interest                                                               
more  stringent while  this bill  is asking  to go  in the  other                                                               
direction.  She inquired whether a legal opinion is available.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  replied that  the [2/9/17]  legal opinion  from the                                                               
Division  of Legislative  Research and  Legal Services  should be                                                               
included  in  the committee's  packet.    He  said the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries and  Board of Game  operate differently in  that during                                                               
meetings  the Board  of Fisheries  has "breakout  sessions" where                                                               
members  separate   into  subcommittees   in  which   the  public                                                               
representatives  and  board  members  can be  heard.    In  these                                                               
breakout sessions, board  members with a conflict  are still able                                                               
to  speak to  the issue  openly and  debate them  with everybody.                                                               
This is a Board of Fisheries issue,  he said, there is no need to                                                               
include the Board of Game.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:16:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WESTLAKE  thanked Mr.  Richards for  his testimony                                                               
and stated  that this bill  is about liberating those  people who                                                               
have  an expertise  and can  contribute to  a policy  discussion.                                                               
What is  trying to be addressed  in both boards, he  said, is not                                                               
who someone is  related to but what the [board  member] can bring                                                               
to the table.   It is being heard from  people that the expertise                                                               
brought in  [by the board  member] is  valued and yet  [the board                                                               
member] is excluded;  so even when there is  a perceived conflict                                                               
people still want  the board member's opinion.   He asked whether                                                               
he is missing something here.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  responded  that he  doesn't  think  Representative                                                               
Westlake is missing  anything, but said that the  members of both                                                               
the  Board  of   Game  and  the  Board  of   Fisheries  have  the                                                               
opportunity prior  to deliberations to discuss  these issues with                                                               
the committees, members  of the public when they  testify, and in                                                               
the  Board of  Fisheries' breakout  sessions which  the Board  of                                                               
Game does not have.   The main issue with this  bill, he said, is                                                               
that for  the Board of Fisheries  it is hard to  find members who                                                               
do not have a conflict.   For example, in certain communities the                                                               
people  that  would  be  good  to  serve  on  the  board  may  be                                                               
setnetters,  dipnetters, or  commercial fishermen  and [the  bill                                                               
sponsor] wants  those people to be  able to apply for  the board,                                                               
sit on  the board, and  not be  conflicted out when  these issues                                                               
come  up.    The  main  issue deals  with  changing  what  is  an                                                               
immediate family member.   He said he has spoken  with members of                                                               
the Board of Fisheries and  the example given [to legislators] is                                                               
untrue - it  was not somebody's "ex" but somebody's  stepson.  He                                                               
urged the  committee to get  more information on the  issue prior                                                               
to passing the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:19:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON said that regardless  of whether it was a past                                                               
marital  issue  or  something  else   in  a  conflict  case,  the                                                               
compelling  testimony was  that  in 55  of  100-plus proposals  a                                                               
board member  had to sit out  and could only testify  as a member                                                               
of  the public.    It  seems excessive,  he  continued, that  the                                                               
system is requiring  someone to sit down and  not participate for                                                               
half the  meeting.   He asked Mr.  Richards whether  this doesn't                                                               
seem to be out of control.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  answered that  Mr.  Haight  is available  and  has                                                               
already  given the  data on  how  many times  this has  happened.                                                               
This really  only occurs  with the Board  of Fisheries,  he said,                                                               
and RHAK's  main point is  that the Board  of Game should  not be                                                               
included  in the  legislation.   The way  the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
operates, there  is ample time  during the breakout  sessions for                                                               
members  to  discuss  with  the  public  and  representatives  of                                                               
organizations and to give their  viewpoint.  The only thing board                                                               
members are  not allowed to do  when they disclose a  conflict is                                                               
deliberate and vote  on the proposal.  He said  RHAK does not see                                                               
any reason why  any board member should be  allowed to deliberate                                                               
when that  member has  already basically  been doing  that during                                                               
the entire meeting.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON  related  that  at least  one  hunters  group                                                               
believes  that  it   should  stay  connected  to   the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries'  conflicts  legislation  or   it  will  be  deemed  an                                                               
institution that  has a more strict  standard.  He asked  for Mr.                                                               
Richards' comment in this regard.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  replied he  has  read  the aforementioned  group's                                                               
letter and  concerns, and said it  is a difficult situation.   He                                                               
said the  part of this  bill that  RHAK supports is  changing the                                                               
definition  of immediate  family  member and  RHAK would  support                                                               
that for  both boards.   However, RHAK  cannot support  the other                                                               
aspects of this bill that would  go the other direction and allow                                                               
people to serve on the Board  of Game and Board of Fisheries when                                                               
they have  a conflict and  to be  allowed to deliberate  on these                                                               
proposals  and influence  these decisions  when they  are clearly                                                               
conflicted out.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:22:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  stated he needs  clarification regarding                                                               
a board  member [with a conflict]  not being allowed to  vote but                                                               
being allowed  to take part  in breakout session discussion.   He                                                               
offered his understanding  that the bill would  broaden the types                                                               
of relatives that are excluded.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REID HARRIS,  Staff, Representative  Louise Stutes,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of  Representative Stutes,  prime sponsor                                                               
of  HB 87,  addressed  Representative Rauscher's  questions.   He                                                               
explained  that CSHB  87(FSH) would  do  two things.   First,  it                                                               
would allow a  member who has a declared  conflict to deliberate,                                                               
but that  member still could not  vote.  Currently, once  a board                                                               
member  declares  a  conflict,  which must  be  done  before  the                                                               
meeting begins, that  member cannot deliberate or vote.   He said                                                               
the bill  is before the  committee because the sponsor  has heard                                                               
that a lot of  expertise is being lost on both  the Board of Game                                                               
and the Board  of Fisheries.  The sponsor has  further heard that                                                               
people with the  expertise are unwilling to put  forth their name                                                               
to sit  on the boards  because they  will be spending  half their                                                               
time recused and unable to participate  and so there is no reason                                                               
for them  to be  on the  board.  Second,  he continued,  the bill                                                               
would narrow the scope of  what is considered an immediate family                                                               
member  of  members  of  the  Board of  Game  and  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.  Currently,  under AS 39.52.220 of the  Ethics Act, an                                                               
immediate  family member  includes  aunts, uncles,  grandparents,                                                               
and a couple of other extended relatives.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:25:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  inquired  whether   he  is  correct  in                                                               
concluding that,  in someone's opinion, this  situation is unlike                                                               
any other boards in the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS  replied that the state  has a large number  of boards                                                               
and commissions.   This  bill does  not apply  to all  boards, he                                                               
explained,  it is  tailored at  an  issue that  the sponsor  sees                                                               
specifically with the Board of Fisheries and the Board of Game.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER asked  whether  the problem  is seen  to                                                               
exist only in  this particular arena and never  the other boards,                                                               
and that  is why  there is the  need to only  call out  these two                                                               
boards specifically.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS answered  that he cannot speak to all  the boards, but                                                               
that these two  specific boards were the ones  brought before the                                                               
sponsor by interested parties.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR added that the Board  of Fisheries and the Board of                                                               
Game are in the same section of  statute, so what is done for one                                                               
is done for the other.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HARRIS reminded  members that  at the  bill's last  hearing,                                                               
Kristy Tibbles, Executive  Director of the Board  of Game, stated                                                               
that the Board of  Game is neutral on the bill  and does not have                                                               
an opinion for or against it.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:27:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AL BARRETTE stated he is representing  himself today.  He said he                                                               
is a  former member  of the  Board of Game  and has  attended and                                                               
participated in  Board of  Game and  Board of  Fisheries meetings                                                               
for the last 17 years.  He  said he disagrees with the portion of                                                               
the  bill regarding  allowing  a recused  board  member to  still                                                               
participate in deliberations.  At  every meeting he has attended,                                                               
he  has   seen  nonvoting   people,  including   individuals  and                                                               
attorneys  from various  divisions  of the  Alaska Department  of                                                               
Fish  &  Game (ADF&G),  at  the  deliberation tables  influencing                                                               
board members  on how to  make their votes.   Well-prepared board                                                               
members, he  said, who know  they will have to  recuse themselves                                                               
from proposals,  are aware of  the avenues  for how to  get their                                                               
expertise in  front of  the board, such  as by  written comments,                                                               
public  testifying,  submitting  copies, and  during  breaks  and                                                               
after  hours.   When  expertise  is  wanted  on proposals  for  a                                                               
certain  region  or  area  the local  [fish  and  game]  advisory                                                               
committee (AC) can be invited to be part of those deliberations.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:30:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  stated that  what Mr. Barrette  is describing                                                               
is a comprehensive reform of this  part of Title 39 or maybe some                                                               
parts of Title 16.  He  understood Mr. Barrette to be saying that                                                               
the committee doesn't know the half  of it because it is not just                                                               
these [board]  members who  cannot vote  or deliberate,  but also                                                               
all this  other influence  that is going  on.   However, Co-Chair                                                               
Josephson said, that bill is not before [the committee].                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE  replied he  was  using  the aforementioned  as  an                                                               
analogy  of  having a  board  member  who  has been  recused  and                                                               
currently is disallowed from participating  in deliberations.  If                                                               
someone is recused, yet allowed  to participate in deliberations,                                                               
he or  she still can  profit from influencing  less knowledgeable                                                               
board  members or  less  seasoned board  members  in the  region.                                                               
This is because  [other board members] will pay  attention to the                                                               
guy from the area and vote the  way he is voting instead of being                                                               
well prepared as  a board member and making  their own decisions.                                                               
This  is something  he  has  seen from  attending  as many  board                                                               
meetings as he has, he explained.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:31:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  asked what level of  administrative support                                                               
is available to Board of Game and Board of Fisheries members.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE responded that board  members have the full staffing                                                               
of the Alaska  Department of Fish & Game,  including the Division                                                               
of   Subsistence,  the   "rules  people"   who  help   write  the                                                               
regulations, and the personnel for  wildlife enforcement from the                                                               
Department of Law.   Further, he said, ADF&G  and the [Department                                                               
of  Public  Safety's]  Division  of  Wildlife  Troopers  actually                                                               
submit proposals to the Board of  Game and the Board of Fisheries                                                               
and then  they deliberate on  their own proposals that  they have                                                               
submitted, and that is an issue.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:33:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY  MACKIE stated  that he  is a  lobbyist but  is before  the                                                               
committee today  as a  private citizen because  this issue  is so                                                               
important to  him.  He noted  that he served in  the Alaska State                                                               
Legislature for  10 years representing  the same district  as the                                                               
bill's sponsor.    This issue has been around  forever, he noted,                                                               
and is  something he wishes he  could have fixed, so  he applauds                                                               
the sponsor.   It is  hard for a resident  of Alaska to  serve on                                                               
the Board of Fisheries  or Board of Game, he said.   First is the                                                               
politics of  getting confirmed  and then there  is the  amount of                                                               
time a board  member must leave his or her  family and job, which                                                               
can  be many  weeks.   He said  it  is beyond  him as  to why  an                                                               
Alaskan would  be asked to serve  in this position because  he or                                                               
she brings some expertise to the  table and then have that member                                                               
sit in the crowd not participating  in the conversation.  This is                                                               
not just  with the fishermen, he  noted.  As a  former seiner and                                                               
lodge owner  who still fishes  and hunts,  he said it  has always                                                               
bothered  him  that  people  are   not  allowed  to  bring  their                                                               
expertise  to the  discussion table.    He pointed  out that  the                                                               
legislature  is an  example of  each person  bringing his  or her                                                               
expertise and  declaring conflict when  there is one, but  he has                                                               
never seen where someone was not  allowed to vote.  Whether it is                                                               
a  commercial  fisherman,  sport  fishing  representative,  or  a                                                               
scientist on the  Board of Fisheries, that  person was originally                                                               
appointed for his  or her expertise that would be  brought to the                                                               
process.  Whether it is  someone with a subsistence background or                                                               
representing hunting  lodges on the  Board of Game,  everyone has                                                               
an inherent conflict  one way or another, he said.   Therefore, a                                                               
person [with  a conflict]  should be able  to participate  in the                                                               
discussion to  bring that expertise  to the table; the  bill does                                                               
not allow  that person to vote.   The state would  be well served                                                               
by passing  this bill,  he proffered, and  allowing people  to do                                                               
the job they were asked to do and making great sacrifice to do.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:36:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  estimated  that  250,000  out  of  750,000                                                               
Alaskans probably have a fishing  license.  He therefore surmised                                                               
that there  must be a large  enough pool in the  realm of fishing                                                               
that a  handful of people  could be  found who are  interested in                                                               
serving on these boards who aren't  related to each other or have                                                               
a financial interest with each  other and are independent of each                                                               
other.  He  said he is struggling with the  concept that the bill                                                               
broadens the scope  of potential conflicts that  will be excluded                                                               
from the violations  under the Ethics Act while at  the same time                                                               
the  House  of  Representatives  is  heightening  the  amount  of                                                               
disclosure.  He recalled previous  testimony about someone on the                                                               
board who  was getting a  check every  year from her  husband and                                                               
couldn't participate and  said he does not know that  that is all                                                               
bad.   He requested Mr.  Mackie's opinion  on whether there  is a                                                               
large  enough   pool  of   people  in   which  to   find  willing                                                               
participants in the betterment of the state's fisheries.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MACKIE answered  that an indication of how  strongly he feels                                                               
about this issue is  that this is the first time  in his 15 years                                                               
of  being a  lobbyist that  he  has actually  testified before  a                                                               
committee.    It  must  be  narrowed down  to  a  board  member's                                                               
children, immediate  family, adopted children, or  some financial                                                               
dependency, he  urged.  For example,  he is an Alaska  Native who                                                               
grew up in a village and there  can be an individual from a small                                                               
community who  is the  right person to  serve and  represent that                                                               
region  or  area  or particular  fishery,  but  technically  that                                                               
individual could be  related to the whole town if  all the aunts,                                                               
cousins, and in-laws  are included.  Realistically,  how far does                                                               
a  financial conflict  extend,  he asked.   He  said  he sees  no                                                               
problem whatsoever with a board  member disclosing a conflict and                                                               
the board member being able to  offer his or her expertise in the                                                               
deliberation.  So, while it could  be said that 7 people could be                                                               
drawn from the 750,000 people in  the state, if it is truly being                                                               
opened up to the whole state  in every aspect, there must be some                                                               
boundaries  and some  realistic  limitations.   Using the  Alaska                                                               
legislature as  an example, he  said he has  never been a  fan of                                                               
disallowing  a legislator  from participating  in a  conversation                                                               
because that person knows something  about the issue.  The Alaska                                                               
legislature  is  a  citizen   legislature  and  legislators  come                                                               
together to have  an open debate, disclose the  conflict, tell it                                                               
like it  is, and  then vote.   He said the  bill is  a reasonable                                                               
approach and a well thought out policy.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:40:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER posited  that  this is  about more  than                                                               
just relatives because financial gain  is also involved and there                                                               
are  a lot  of things  to weed  people out  other than  that they                                                               
happen  to be  fishermen.   He  said it  is really  hard to  find                                                               
someone  who is  involved  in  the game  and  who  does not  have                                                               
relatives  involved in  the  game  who cannot  take  part in  the                                                               
discussion.  There are a lot  of things thrown out, whether it is                                                               
financial gain  and the  amount of financial  gain.   He surmised                                                               
that it  would have  to be  a combination  of things  rather than                                                               
just one thing.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  drew attention to page  2 of the bill  and pointed                                                               
out that  it includes specific  things of  who the person  is and                                                               
more clearly  defines that the  person would have to  reside with                                                               
the board member,  be financially dependent on  the board member,                                                               
or share  a substantial  financial interest.   So, yes,  there is                                                               
more than one, she concurred.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:42:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  said he  hears what  Mr. Mackie  is saying                                                               
about being  related to  everyone in  a town.   For  example, his                                                               
great-grandmother  and  another  woman  were cousins  and  so  he                                                               
called the  other woman's granddaughter "auntie"  because she was                                                               
family.   Addressing  the  earlier comments  about  the House  of                                                               
Representatives currently moving to  tighten rules about conflict                                                               
of interest,  he noted that  right now there are  functionally no                                                               
rules of  conflict of  interest because  a representative  with a                                                               
conflict  declares,  then  one  person  objects,  and  then  that                                                               
legislator participates in the discussion  and the body moves on.                                                               
So, he continued, in his opinion  it would be okay if there could                                                               
be a meeting in  the middle it would be okay.   He inquired as to                                                               
where  Mr. Mackie  thinks  the ideal  balance  falls between  the                                                               
legislature where  a member  with a conflict  still votes  at the                                                               
end of the day  and the Board of Fisheries and  the Board of Game                                                               
where  a member  with  even  a distant  conflict  of interest  is                                                               
prevented from voting or even talking.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MACKIE  replied that this  issue has  been around for  a long                                                               
time  and he  is unsure  where  that line  would be  drawn.   For                                                               
example, a  person from King  Cove could  be related to  half the                                                               
community with  cousins and  if one distant  cousin has  a setnet                                                               
permit, one has a gillnet permit,  and another has a seine permit                                                               
there is  the possibility  - if  this extends  far enough  - that                                                               
that board member could not even  deliberate on any of the issues                                                               
of importance to that region,  yet people supported that person's                                                               
appointment as  a way to  give them  some representation.   It is                                                               
ridiculous and  needs to be fixed,  he said.  There  is a certain                                                               
trust  and responsibility  on elected  and  appointed persons  to                                                               
provide disclosure, he continued.   There is an honor system that                                                               
when a  person knows  he or  she has a  conflict it  is incumbent                                                               
upon  that  person  to  disclose  that  conflict  and  there  are                                                               
ramifications if  this is  not done.   Given  the many  people he                                                               
knows  who have  served  on  the boards,  and  those who  haven't                                                               
wanted to  serve because  of these things,  he added,  the bill's                                                               
sponsor  has  done a  nice  job  in  finding  a balance  on  this                                                               
particular  issue.    However,  he  said,  the  issue  about  the                                                               
legislature is a  little broader and his intuition  tells him not                                                               
to comment on that.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:46:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THOR  STACEY, Lobbyist,  Alaska Professional  Hunters Association                                                               
(APHA), first  noted that  he holds  a registered  guide license.                                                               
He  related that  APHA discussed  this legislation  at a  meeting                                                               
last week  and APHA's concern  is that the  Board of Game  not be                                                               
stripped out of the bill.   The two boards were treated similarly                                                               
to  begin with,  he pointed  out, and  APHA supports  that policy                                                               
moving forward.  Treating the  boards differently at this time on                                                               
an  issue  as  important  as  conflict  of  interest  could  have                                                               
unintended   down-range  effects   in  the   courts  that   would                                                               
disadvantage the  Board of Game  unfairly in the discussion.   He                                                               
then spoke  to the  points of  conservation, allocation,  and the                                                               
appointment process.   Addressing  the point of  conservation, he                                                               
said that knowledgeable  persons with a financial  conflict in an                                                               
area also have information to  add to discussions on conservation                                                               
of a  resource.  Addressing the  point of allocation, he  said it                                                               
comes down  to an issue of  trust.  When the  general public, the                                                               
legislature,  and  the  governor  trust someone,  it  allows  for                                                               
feeling good  about the votes that  are made for divvying  up the                                                               
resource.  The APHA would be  concerned if there were anything in                                                               
this bill perceived to undercut  the public's trust in the board.                                                               
In the long run, stable  allocation decisions based on a trusting                                                               
public  is in  the interest  of hunting  guides.   Addressing the                                                               
appointment  process, he  said conflict  of  interest has  become                                                               
increasingly used  as a weapon  during the confirmation  of board                                                               
members.  For  example, last year in regard to  the Board of Game                                                               
a group filed a conflict  of interest complaint with the attorney                                                               
general.    Then, during  the  confirmation  process before  that                                                               
complaint had  run its  course and been  decided upon,  the group                                                               
used  the conflict  of interest  complaint  as justification  for                                                               
turning votes in the legislature.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STACEY  stated  that  when  it  comes  to  divvying  up  the                                                               
resource, the legislature takes  conflict of interest and persons                                                               
trying  to  enrich  themselves   or  their  family  members  very                                                               
seriously.  Legislators, he continued,  might ask the question of                                                               
how to ascertain whether somebody  is really using their position                                                               
on  the board  to  enrich themselves  and  their family  members.                                                               
Allowing a  board member  to go  on the  record and  deliberate a                                                               
proposal would  give legislators evidence of  that board member's                                                               
thoughts or  motives and how the  board member may or  may not be                                                               
influencing the  process, he  said.   Currently, because  a board                                                               
member is  excluded from debating,  there is no hard  evidence to                                                               
support  or  refute accusations  of  conflict  of interest.    He                                                               
reiterated that APHA's specific interest is the Board of Game.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:50:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH recalled testimony  by the Resident Hunters                                                               
of Alaska that supported the  bill's redefinition of an immediate                                                               
family member but not the [inclusion  of the Board of Game in the                                                               
bill].  He requested Mr. Stacey's response to this concern.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STACEY  replied that APHA  supports the  bill's clarification                                                               
of family  members and  therefore would agree  with RHAK  in that                                                               
regard,  but APHA  does not  support removing  the Board  of Game                                                               
from  the bill.   While  the legislation  is designed  to fix  an                                                               
issue with the Board of  Fisheries, he said, this issue obviously                                                               
occurs on the  Board of Game.  A problem  identified on the Board                                                               
of Fisheries  should be  fixed on  both boards  at the  same time                                                               
versus stripping one board from  the bill and seeing what happens                                                               
later.   Hunting  guides are  not the  only group  that can  have                                                               
conflict of interest,  he said.  Credible argument  could be made                                                               
for wildlife  viewing and transporter  issues because  they could                                                               
have  larger conflict  of interest  or much  broader implications                                                               
where  board members  may have  to recuse  themselves.   While he                                                               
speaks  from the  perspective of  hunting  guides, he  continued,                                                               
there  are many  other potential  commercial users  who could  be                                                               
appointed  to  the Board  of  Game  who  would be  excluded  from                                                               
deliberating  and voting  if the  former testifier's  suggestions                                                               
were taken up by this committee in the form of an amendment.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:52:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR closed public testimony on CSHB 87(FSH).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:52:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON said  he disagrees  with  the [2/9/17]  legal                                                               
memorandum from  the Division of  Legislative Research  and Legal                                                               
Services.   The  bill  talks about  disclosing  something on  the                                                               
record, he explained,  and when he looks at  the legal memorandum                                                               
and section  39.52.220(a) he sees  that there is a  very involved                                                               
process that he presumes must  occur prior to the meeting because                                                               
it involves  contacting a supervisor,  the attorney  general, and                                                               
so forth.   He inquired whether  the bill's aim is  to trump this                                                               
entire  process or  to merely  say that,  for the  purposes of  a                                                               
potential conflict, one may deliberate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS answered that what is  seen in the legal memo is still                                                               
maintained.    Qualifying that  he  can  speak  to the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries  more than  he  can  speak to  the  Board  of Game,  he                                                               
described  the  current process:    before  the meeting  happens,                                                               
proposals are brought to the board  and a list is compiled of the                                                               
things that will be considered;  board members who know they have                                                               
conflicts are requested to make a  note so it can be spoken about                                                               
before the meeting;  at that point the chair will  say, "Yes, you                                                               
have a  conflict, you will not  deliberate or vote on  this."  He                                                               
advised  that that  process would  remain in  statute under  this                                                               
bill and  would not be  changed at all.   Mr. Harris  offered his                                                               
belief that  it is  generally up  to the chair  of the  board and                                                               
that  the  attorney  general's office  is  usually  not  notified                                                               
unless it is  questionable.  That process would still  be left in                                                               
place  under  CSHB 87(FSH),  he  continued,  and the  person  who                                                               
filled out  the form for having  a conflict of interest  would be                                                               
allowed  to deliberate,  but as  is the  case under  current law,                                                               
would not be allowed to vote.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:55:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER noted  that there are many  boards in the                                                               
state, as  well as many  boards in municipal government  and said                                                               
that all of these boards seem to  use the same protocol as far as                                                               
what they  do and don't  allow.  The only  thing he has  heard so                                                               
far,  he said,  is that  [the  Board of  Fisheries] has  breakout                                                               
sessions,  which are  important.   The Matanuska-Susitna  Borough                                                               
has executive  session, he continued,  which to him  are breakout                                                               
sessions.    He requested  Mr.  Harris  to provide  clarification                                                               
about  the  importance to  this  particular  committee, which  is                                                               
completely different  than every other  committee in the  eyes of                                                               
this legislation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS  replied that for  example he would assume  the "Board                                                               
of Hairdressers" is  mostly made up of  hairdressers because they                                                               
know  the most  about that  profession.   The Board  of Fisheries                                                               
tends to  consist of  fishermen, he  continued, whether  they are                                                               
personal  use, subsistence,  commercial,  sport  fish, or  other.                                                               
The Board  of Game  tends to be  guides, transporters,  and other                                                               
people  involved in  that industry.   The  sponsor has  this bill                                                               
before this  committee, he explained, because  expertise is being                                                               
lost  from these  boards.   Addressing Representative  Rauscher's                                                               
earlier question about  why the boards of game  and fisheries are                                                               
being treated  differently, he said  that the problem  brought to                                                               
the sponsor was that these two  boards are having this issue.  No                                                               
other  boards or  commissions have  brought  forward any  issues.                                                               
This  bill is  specifically  tailored towards  these two  boards,                                                               
which sit under the same statute, he added.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:57:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER said he  sees the "Board of Hairdressers"                                                               
members all  working together  for the  benefit of  the business.                                                               
To  the particular  boards  in  this bill  he  sees them  working                                                               
together for  the benefit of  fish or  game.  However,  there are                                                               
many  facets to  it, he  continued.   There  are guides,  sports,                                                               
subsistence  users, people  of all  different types  of interests                                                               
and all  different types  of personal gain,  and they  compete in                                                               
this arena.    There are billions of dollars  on different facets                                                               
of this  industry where  these people are  saying wait  a minute.                                                               
One facet  in which a  person is  involved may gain  very heavily                                                               
from what he  or she is doing  and his or her  input and exposure                                                               
to  the  conversation,   and  the  exposure  of   others  to  the                                                               
conversation, is  the difference that he  is seeing.  He  said he                                                               
is trying  to understand how  that would be different  than other                                                               
agencies  that  are  involved   in  government  where  industries                                                               
compete with  each other and which  is why some of  these ethical                                                               
standards were put into place.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HARRIS said  it is  in statute  that members  on both  these                                                               
boards be appointed  for their knowledge of  public affairs, good                                                               
judgment, and ability in the field  of action.  They are supposed                                                               
to be upstanding  people who are vetted by  the legislative body.                                                               
Sometimes  things go  exceedingly awry  for these  appointees, he                                                               
continued,  and it  can be  rather hard  to watch  in the  public                                                               
forum because  sometimes an issue  comes out and the  question is                                                               
why this issue wasn't made  known since these people are supposed                                                               
to  be  upstanding individuals.    Second,  as discussed  by  Mr.                                                               
Barrette about  undue influence,  the board  process is  that all                                                               
members sit at  a dais, as does this committee.   However, once a                                                               
board member is  recused, that board member sits  in the audience                                                               
and  is  then  immediately  asked  questions  by  people  in  the                                                               
audience and  now that board member  is not on the  record but is                                                               
having an  influence on the  process at  that point.   Under this                                                               
bill, he said, that board member  would still sit at the dais and                                                               
that  would  actually  limit  the  amount  of  influence  because                                                               
everything said by that board member would now be on the record.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:01:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH noted  that he is a  registered engineer who                                                               
for  35  years has  dealt  with  the  Board of  Registration  for                                                               
Architects, Engineers, and Land Surveyors,  which is a board that                                                               
has mapped  out how the profession  works in Alaska.   Given that                                                               
250,000 people  in Alaska have  a fishing license and  given that                                                               
someone  doesn't have  to be  of any  particular type  of fishing                                                               
discipline to participate in the  Board of Fisheries, he said, it                                                               
would seem that  seven people could be found who  are not tied at                                                               
the  shoelaces with  somebody else  and who  could do  good work,                                                               
particularly  since board  members  have access  to the  abundant                                                               
resources  existing in  advisory committees  and ADF&G.   So,  he                                                               
continued,   he  is   still  struggling   with  how   broadening,                                                               
eliminating, and  basically covering  over the conflicts  is good                                                               
for the public as it is basically getting past the Ethics Act.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS  answered that the  engineer and the architect  on the                                                               
Board  of  Registration  for   Architects,  Engineers,  and  Land                                                               
Surveyors are  professionals who have  studied their topics.   He                                                               
said that  while he could  make a  drawing he doesn't  think that                                                               
that would  qualify him as  a professional who should  be sitting                                                               
on that board.   It is much the same thing  that someone who owns                                                               
a fishing  license may not  be qualified to  sit on the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries.   It  would  be  hoped to  have  people  who are  high                                                               
caliber professionals,  not that  they are  professional fishers,                                                               
but  that they  are very  well learned  in the  industry, have  a                                                               
great depth  of knowledge, and  are able to lend  their expertise                                                               
to the  board.  That  is why those people  are on the  board, not                                                               
because they are able to fish.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:03:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  read from  statute,  noting  it says  that                                                               
members are  appointed on the  basis of their interest  in public                                                               
affairs, good  judgment, knowledge  and ability  in the  field of                                                               
action  of the  board, and  a view  of providing  a diversity  of                                                               
interest  and point  of  view in  the membership.    While he  is                                                               
unfamiliar with the  Board of Fisheries or the Board  of Game, it                                                               
seems that there  is no compelling reason that  someone must have                                                               
been  a seiner  for  10  years.   While  the  person filling  the                                                               
architectural slot  on the Board of  Registration for Architects,                                                               
Engineers, and  Land Surveyors must  be an architect, he  said he                                                               
does not see that kind of demand for the Board of Fisheries.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LOUISE  STUTES, Alaska State  Legislature, replied                                                               
that someone applying for a  board seat is usually a fisherperson                                                               
of some sort.  If,  for example, a commercial fisherperson fishes                                                               
a setnet site three months of the  year and is on the board, this                                                               
person would  currently be excluded from  board discussions about                                                               
salmon  fisheries  in  that  area.     When  this  person  cannot                                                               
participate in the conversation,  this person's knowledge goes by                                                               
the wayside.   Whereas  under this bill,  the person  involved in                                                               
this  particular fishery  would  be able  to  participate in  the                                                               
discussion  and  impart  his  or   her  knowledge  to  the  board                                                               
regardless of  whether he or  she is allowed to  vote on it.   If                                                               
this person is conflicted out then  he or she certainly would not                                                               
vote,  but it  would not  preclude the  person from  allowing the                                                               
board  to have  his  or  her information  and  knowledge of  that                                                               
particular fishery.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:05:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH gave an example  of 40,000 people wanting to                                                               
use a personal use dipnet fishery  on the Kenai River and said it                                                               
would obviously  be of some  benefit to them  to haul home  a big                                                               
pile of fish.   He asked whether that would  take away from their                                                               
ability to participate in this case.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES replied  yes,  currently  they would  most                                                               
certainly  be conflicted  out  if the  board  was discussing  the                                                               
dipnet fishery.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:06:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  inquired whether only board  members are                                                               
allowed at the breakout sessions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS deferred to Thor Stacey to answer the question.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. STACEY replied that the  breakout session in the subcommittee                                                               
work  is a  Board of  Fisheries function.   Proposals  before the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries have a lot  of complexity, plus there  is the                                                               
number and  the duration of  the meetings.  That  same complexity                                                               
does not exist  at the Board of  Game, so the Board  of Game does                                                               
not do the  breakout session in the work group  like the Board of                                                               
Fisheries.  The Board of Game  is different in that regard and is                                                               
based on  a little bit simpler  process and a little  bit simpler                                                               
suite of proposals.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JERRY MCCUNE,  lobbyist, United Fishermen of  Alaska, at Co-Chair                                                               
Tarr's  request  explained that  the  Board  of Fisheries  has  a                                                               
process  where it  takes so  many proposals  and puts  them in  a                                                               
committee.  Two  members are assigned to each  committee; this is                                                               
because there  may be three  committees meeting at the  same time                                                               
and a member  couldn't attend both.  This process  lets people go                                                               
to the  committee meetings handling  the proposals that  they are                                                               
interested in.    Sometimes the  board will hold a  "committee of                                                               
the whole" where everybody can  sit in the audience and testimony                                                               
is taken.   The committees  take up  the proposals and  hear from                                                               
everybody and the  board member that is the chair  reports to the                                                               
full  committee.   While it  is called  a breakout  committee, it                                                               
doesn't mean  that [a conflicted  member] will still get  to take                                                               
part  - board  members with  a financial  conflict will  still be                                                               
conflicted  out.   So,  these conflicted  members  have the  same                                                               
chance as  he does to  sit in the  audience, put up  their hands,                                                               
and maybe  say something.   What is  trying to be  achieved [with                                                               
the bill] is that a conflicted  board member could sit around the                                                               
table and  answer board  members' questions  during deliberations                                                               
on  that one  particular proposal  that he  or she  may have  the                                                               
expertise on.   Currently, that person cannot do that,  he or she                                                               
must sit in the audience and  not say anything except for the 2-5                                                               
minutes in which a regular person is allowed to testify.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:11:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER reiterated that he  is still at a loss as                                                               
to how  no one else  is able to  supply this information  that [a                                                               
conflicted board member has] and cannot talk about.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  answered that  he is  an expert  in the  fisheries of                                                               
Prince  William Sound  because he  has fished  there for  over 50                                                               
years.  He  knows a little bit about Southeast  fishing, a little                                                               
bit about  Kodiak fishing,  and a little  bit about  Bristol Bay,                                                               
but he is not  an expert in Bristol Bay and may  call a friend in                                                               
Bristol Bay or  King Cove to ask questions.   He posed a scenario                                                               
in which  he is sitting  on the  board as a  permitted gillnetter                                                               
and is  conflicted out,  and since  he also  has a  son who  is a                                                               
gillnetter he  would probably be  conflicted out and not  able to                                                               
vote  because of  a  financial conflict.    The current  chairman                                                               
comes from  Southeast, he continued,  and doesn't  have expertise                                                               
in Prince  William Sound, so the  chairman would have to  rely on                                                               
him to  tell his  thoughts, but that  wouldn't mean  the chairman                                                               
would believe everything he said or  agree with him.  However, at                                                               
least he would have had the  chance [to speak to the chairman] as                                                               
an expert in that area.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER asked  whether Mr.  McCune would  be the                                                               
only one who could provide information for Prince William Sound.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  replied that if  he were  sitting on the  board there                                                               
would be  other people  in the  audience who  would speak  to the                                                               
proposals  for two  minutes; but  he would  probably be  the only                                                               
board member.   For example, he continued, Mr.  Huntington on the                                                               
board is  from up north,  Mr. Jensen  is from Southeast,  and Mr.                                                               
Payton is  from Wasilla  and doesn't  know much  about commercial                                                               
fishing but knows a little bit about dipnetting.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:13:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  noted that  he asks  witnesses questions                                                               
when  they are  testifying because  they can  provide information                                                               
based  on their  expertise and  therefore  he is  able to  gather                                                               
information  from all  of the  witnesses  and there  could be  20                                                               
witnesses.  He said he  thinks this provides the same information                                                               
as being able to sit directly in a conversation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  concurred that questions  can be asked of  the people                                                               
who are testifying.  But,  he explained, different things come up                                                               
as the  board is deliberating  on a proposal and  those questions                                                               
that come  up during  deliberations may not  have come  up during                                                               
testimony.  For example, he  sitting here [at the witness table],                                                               
Jerry Mackie and Richie Davis [in  the audience] know a lot about                                                               
Southeast fisheries, but they do  not know that much about Prince                                                               
William Sound  fisheries; they  may know what  type they  are but                                                               
they don't know  about the issues.  Regarding  750,000 people, he                                                               
quipped that anybody wanting to sit  on the Board of Fisheries is                                                               
crazy.  Once upon a time he wanted  to do it, he said, but he has                                                               
lost his enthusiasm for it.  It  must be a certain kind of person                                                               
to start  with and the  person must have  the time and  the money                                                               
because members  do not  get paid  very much  for sitting  on the                                                               
board - and that is where the pool gets cut down.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:15:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND allowed she has  never been to a Board of                                                               
Fisheries or Board  of Game meeting, but  said legislative bodies                                                               
and boards have  differences in the way they operate.   She asked                                                               
whether the rules require that  members of the Board of Fisheries                                                               
be  chosen based  on  region or  whether  it is  left  up to  the                                                               
selection process to get an even spread around the state.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  responded that the  statute doesn't say a  whole lot,                                                               
only that it  should be qualified people.  There  are some people                                                               
who think  it should be designated  seats, he said, and  some who                                                               
think it should  be one member from each area,  but [the statute]                                                               
doesn't really  say that.  It  is totally up to  that governor as                                                               
to how he or she puts his or her boards together.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:18:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND recalled the  earlier testimony about the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries having breakout  sessions and that  there are                                                               
advisory committees (ACs).   She asked whether the  AC's are only                                                               
a Board of Fisheries process or also a Board of Game process.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  explained that  each region has  an AC;  for example,                                                               
Prince William  Sound has one  and Anchorage  has one.   The AC's                                                               
are made  up of  different gear  types, they take  up all  of the                                                               
proposals, and  an AC may get  a little more time,  five minutes,                                                               
to have its  representative testify before the boards.   The idea                                                               
is that local  people will be able  to get a little  bit more say                                                               
through their advisory committee for their area.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND asked whether  an advisory committee does                                                               
or does not include a board member of the Board of Fisheries.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  replied no, not  usually, but the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
will sometimes send  a panel somewhere, such as  to Fairbanks, to                                                               
take  testimony.   The  AC's  are  funded  through the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries and the AC's hold elections for the members.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:20:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO pointed out that  it is heard from people                                                               
in  the industry  and  from  sport fishermen  that  there is  the                                                               
unwritten rule  to have balance  on that  work.  While  that will                                                               
not be said in public, everybody  knows that there is going to be                                                               
X  amount  of   sport  fishermen  and  X   amount  of  commercial                                                               
fishermen.    Given that  conflicts  are  always about  financial                                                               
interest,  he asked  whether there  is ever  a situation  where a                                                               
sport fisherman would declare a conflict.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  recalled there was  a situation where a  board member                                                               
had a  lodge but that he  couldn't remember exactly what  it was.                                                               
Another time  a recreational sport  fisherman was  conflicted out                                                               
because his  aunt had a  permit in  the setnet fishery  and while                                                               
this member  did not  have any  financial gain  from that  he was                                                               
conflicted  out.    He  added  that there  may  have  been  other                                                               
situations but he does not remember them.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:22:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO stated he has  no problem with the actual                                                               
close affiliations here.   He related that he has  had to declare                                                               
a conflict before  because he has a 38-year-old son  who has been                                                               
on his own  for 18 years, owns two homes,  raises his own family,                                                               
and  happens  to work  for  the  Department of  Transportation  &                                                               
Public Facilities.   He and  his son  do not share  any financial                                                               
interest.  The hard part here  is the public perception, he said.                                                               
While he  understands the deliberation  provision, the  hurdle he                                                               
has to  get over is putting  a bigger target on  board members by                                                               
letting  them deliberate.    It  is not  the  expertise side  but                                                               
rather  the  public's  perception  of what  is  happening  there.                                                               
Reality and  facts don't matter,  occasionally perception  can be                                                               
reality and  that is probably  the toughest thing  that committee                                                               
members are looking  at.  There is no question  that if someone's                                                               
expertise can  be used it should  be used, but it  is likely that                                                               
each of  this committee's  members has been  attacked for  his or                                                               
her expertise when the committee  utilized it and then the public                                                               
said there must  be some gain for that committee  member.  So, he                                                               
continued, while  he thinks  that a  board member's  expertise is                                                               
incredibly valuable,  the public  may think differently  on that.                                                               
The close  family association has  gone way  too far for  way too                                                               
long, he added, given that there  can be family members with whom                                                               
someone  has not  spoken to  in a  decade and  yet they  would be                                                               
considered a close association and that  would not be fair.  But,                                                               
he reiterated, the hurdle here for him is the deliberation part.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE offered a different way to  look at it.  He noted that                                                               
the Board of  Fisheries and the Board of Game  have a yellow line                                                               
that cannot be  crossed.  He presented a scenario  in which he is                                                               
serving  as  a board  member  [with  a  conflict] and  two  other                                                               
members call him  over and ask him some questions,  so he answers                                                               
those questions on the side and  the audience doesn't get to hear                                                               
the conversation.   He said he would rather  have the [conflicted                                                               
board member]  up at  the table  answering those  questions where                                                               
the answers  can be  heard [by everyone].   He  presented another                                                               
scenario in  which he  is a  board member who  owns a  $2 million                                                               
lodge and he  decides to take fish away from  the commercial guys                                                               
and allocate  them to  the sport  guys.  That  would be  a direct                                                               
financial gain  for his lodge,  he said,  and so he  assumes that                                                               
someone would call that.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:26:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  reported that there were  4 conflicts of                                                               
interest out of 34 cases for  the Board of Fisheries and that for                                                               
the Board of Game there have been none over the last two years.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:27:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR requested that the staff  for the Board of Game and                                                               
Board of  Fisheries address the differences  between the statutes                                                               
for  the  two boards,  which  are  very general  in  description,                                                               
versus the much more specific  descriptions for other boards like                                                               
the  "Board  of  Hairdressers"  or "Board  of  Engineers."    She                                                               
further requested that  the staff address, should  the bill pass,                                                               
whether there would still be a  process through the Ethics Act to                                                               
challenge any decisions or behavior.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:28:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAIGHT confirmed that the  statute is very general; it states                                                               
that a  board member be  qualified, have good judgment,  and have                                                               
some understanding of  the area of the Board of  Game or Board of                                                               
Fisheries.  The  statute also specifically states that  it is not                                                               
based  on geography.   Regarding  inappropriate  behavior or  not                                                               
providing  disclosure, he  advised  that board  members who  have                                                               
been  recused to  vote would  need to  work a  fine line  between                                                               
advocating  too much  and  providing good  information;  it is  a                                                               
personal challenge that  individuals must deal with.   He said he                                                               
doesn't  see anything  that  would come  back  to eliminate  them                                                               
further - they  would be up in front of  people deliberating on a                                                               
proposal but not voting on it,  but allowed he does not know what                                                               
would happen in that situation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAIGHT addressed the discussion  about the Board of Fisheries                                                               
process  as opposed  to the  Board of  Game.   He explained  that                                                               
first  of all  there is  the  ethics disclosure  where the  board                                                               
members  provide the  disclosure  and that  happens in  meetings.                                                               
From there it goes into  staff reports and then public testimony.                                                               
After public  testimony is when  the Board  of Game and  Board of                                                               
Fisheries have a departure.  The  Board of Game will generally go                                                               
into  deliberations right  there  and deliberations  are where  a                                                               
board member shares  his or her thinking and works  to sway other                                                               
board members  to his or  her position.   The Board  of Fisheries                                                               
will break  out into committees  and just by public  testimony in                                                               
committee  board  members  don't deliberate,  don't  state  their                                                               
positions, and  don't tell people  what they are thinking  - they                                                               
ask questions of people.  Therefore,  a board member who has been                                                               
recused from  a particular  proposal will  still engage  in those                                                               
committees  because  they  are  asking  questions,  although  not                                                               
sharing their opinions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAIGHT  explained that a  proposal is basically  a regulatory                                                               
petition.  Under  the Administrative Procedures Act  the Board of                                                               
Fisheries and the  Board of Game are allowed  to accept petitions                                                               
of the  department for  regulatory changes.   The boards  open up                                                               
regions  and  species  every  year  on  a  three-year  basis  for                                                               
whatever petitions/proposals that people want to send to them.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:32:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  inquired whether the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
or  Board of  Game engage  in executive  session and  whether the                                                               
parameters  of change  proposed in  the bill  would apply  to the                                                               
rules for an executive session in  which the public does not have                                                               
access to the members.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAIGHT replied that both boards  can and do go into executive                                                               
session, but not for purposes of deliberating a proposal.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:33:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  requested  clarification of  the  proposal                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAIGHT  explained that  the Board of  Fisheries and  Board of                                                               
Game  each  receive hundreds  of  proposal  requests every  year,                                                               
which is too  much to handle.  Therefore, currently,  on a three-                                                               
year cycle each board will make  a call for proposals on specific                                                               
topics that  goes out in November  or December each year  and the                                                               
proposals  are due  in April  or  May depending  on which  board.                                                               
Those  proposals  are put  into  a  proposal  book that  is  made                                                               
available to  the public every  summer.  The  advisory committees                                                               
go  through the  proposals  and provide  recommendations to  each                                                               
board about those  proposals.  Then at  their regulatory meetings                                                               
the  boards will  take up  each proposal,  listen to  the public,                                                               
deliberate, and make decisions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  requested an example  of how a  proposal is                                                               
actually configured.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAIGHT replied  that there  is a  proposal form  that people                                                               
fill out where they are asked  to cite a specific regulation that                                                               
they would  like to change  or a  brand new regulation  that they                                                               
would like  to suggest.  For  example, it could be  to change the                                                               
bag limit in  a particular fishery from three fish  to five fish,                                                               
or to close a fishery  entirely because of conservation concerns.                                                               
For example,  the Board  of Fisheries  is currently  in Anchorage                                                               
taking up statewide  King Crab and Tanner Crab  proposals - there                                                               
are proposals for the Bering Sea  for Tanner Crab, a proposal for                                                               
Prince  William Sound  to  create  a Tanner  Crab  season, and  a                                                               
proposal for Cook  Inlet.  It is very specific  for certain areas                                                               
in the big ocean.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON recalled  that  four or  five  years ago  the                                                               
Alaska  Dispatch News,  then called  the [Anchorage]  Daily News,                                                           
ran a story  about a 12- or 13-year-old kid  from Chugiak who had                                                               
filed a  proposal on  some game  issue.   This boy  was literally                                                               
trying  to write  a law  no different  than a  law that  would be                                                               
written by the legislature.   Those proposals are the ultimate in                                                               
democracy in that respect, he said.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  asked whether  the boards get  any guidance                                                               
from the professionals at ADF&G regarding the proposals.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAIGHT replied  that in their calls for  proposals the boards                                                               
specifically list which regions and  which species that they will                                                               
accept proposals  on.  Staff  within the divisions of  ADF&G will                                                               
provide  very detailed  comments and  will prepare  very detailed                                                               
management reports that provide years  and years of context.  The                                                               
department  staff   provides  statements  of  positions   on  the                                                               
proposals  and  staff  is  at   the  board  meetings  to  provide                                                               
assistance to the board members.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:38:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRISTY  TIBBLES,  Executive  Director,   Board  of  Game,  Boards                                                               
Support Section, Alaska Department of  Fish & Game, addressed the                                                               
aforementioned  questions  on proposals  as  they  relate to  the                                                               
Board of  Game.  She said  Mr. Haight covered the  various topics                                                               
very well.   Both boards have pretty  similar processes, although                                                               
the one that is a little  bit different is the breakout sessions.                                                               
Otherwise, the  appointment of  members is  very similar  and the                                                               
language in  statute is nearly  identical.  Regarding  the Ethics                                                               
Act, conflicts of  interest, and executive sessions  she said she                                                               
doesn't have any more to add.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  stated that this bill  is about deliberating.                                                               
While the team at the  Division of Legislative Research and Legal                                                               
Services  is  very skilled,  he  said  he  thinks there  is  more                                                               
caution in the [2/9/17] memorandum than  needs to be.  The reason                                                               
he thinks  this, he explained,  is because for the  definition of                                                               
immediate family member  CSHB 87(FSH) states on page  1, line 12,                                                               
"In this subsection".  So the  bill is not changing the world, it                                                               
only  says  that for  purposes  of  whether  a board  member  can                                                               
deliberate  it is  just  in subsection  (g),  not anywhere  else.                                                               
Additionally, the  legislative history from Mr.  Harris says that                                                               
AS 39.52.220  would not  be repealed,  so the  hugely complicated                                                               
vetting process  would remain.   According to this,  the attorney                                                               
general must  be written  to, so  this is extensive.   This  is a                                                               
narrow  thing;  this  bill  is  about  deliberating,  nothing  is                                                               
repealed.   The memorandum  states that if  this bill  became law                                                               
there would  be this subsection (a)  of AS 39.52.220 that  says a                                                               
member cannot deliberate in certain  circumstances and this would                                                               
sort of  trump that single word  and so he thinks  that this word                                                               
"deliberate"  might  have to  go  away,  but  this looks  like  a                                                               
revisers note  kind of  thing.   Regarding the  discussions about                                                               
influencing others,  he said that  all of these things  are human                                                               
institutions  just like  in  this building.    People respond  to                                                               
kindness and honesty in communication,  and he does not know that                                                               
that ought  to be changed.   The case  was made and  not rebutted                                                               
that  there  is excessive  situations  where  Board of  Fisheries                                                               
members are  recused and cannot contribute  anything.  Therefore,                                                               
it  would  be  fantastic  if  [conflicted]  board  members  could                                                               
deliberate in these committees and  they would ask questions that                                                               
no one else would ask.  He said he likes the bill.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:43:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WESTLAKE  related that he  comes from a  long line                                                               
of miners  and many of  his family members are  currently miners.                                                               
Miners know it is a finite resource  and when it is played out it                                                               
is  played  out,  he  said,  but [these  two  boards]  deal  with                                                               
something that  is volatile and illusive.   He can see  where the                                                               
angst comes from and commends  the sponsor for bringing this bill                                                               
forward.   He pointed out that  there is no mine  in Alaska where                                                               
he  wouldn't  have family  relatives.    His family  owns  Native                                                               
allotments together, as well as  family camps together, and these                                                               
things are financial  interests.  In looking at  what the sponsor                                                               
is trying to do with [fish  and wildlife] resources and trying to                                                               
find  best  practices  to  bring   it  forward,  he  offered  his                                                               
agreement that  it really  does need revamping.   He  thanked the                                                               
sponsor for bringing it to legislators' attention.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:44:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  recalled a  film called "Six  Degrees of                                                               
Separation" and remarked that she  is going to start calling this                                                               
the  "six degrees  of separation  bill becomes  half a  degree of                                                               
separation" because in  Alaska it is one degree or  half a degree                                                               
of separation.   She said  Mr. Stacey  clarified it best  when he                                                               
described  the  three areas  of  concern  as being  conservation,                                                               
allocation,  and conflict  and he  laid  it out  clearly for  how                                                               
these boards  need to operate.   She said  she sees no  reason to                                                               
make people with  a great deal of knowledge sit  on the sidelines                                                               
when they've been  sent by their community to  contribute and she                                                               
therefore supports this bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:46:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  stated he is  not a  fan of this  and still                                                               
struggles with  the availability of people.   Modifications could                                                               
perhaps be made to make the  bill acceptable, he said, but in its                                                               
current form he doesn't support it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:46:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  said he still  has the high  hurdle that                                                               
he mentioned  earlier, but because  he thinks  it is the  role of                                                               
the committee to  move the bill he  will not try to stop  it.  He                                                               
noted that  he thinks  about these  people when  they are  put in                                                               
that situation and if it came  down to a decision where there was                                                               
a  vote and  either the  chairman or  the committee  decided that                                                               
someone had  a conflict of  interest, he would recommend  to that                                                               
person to go get  a cup of coffee instead of  staying in the room                                                               
and  have someone  send a  text  when the  deliberation is  over.                                                               
Even though  the boards could  really use the expertise,  he said                                                               
he is  concerned about the  public's perception and  doesn't want                                                               
to  put a  bull's eye  on  anyone as  a  target.   It takes  very                                                               
special people  to serve on  these boards because there  are fish                                                               
wars as  well as  game wars and  he has never  been to  a meeting                                                               
where  everyone in  the  room  is satisfied.    This is  probably                                                               
because these fish and game  resources are incredibly precious to                                                               
Alaskans, whether for  consumption or making a living.   While he                                                               
has not gotten over the  aforementioned hurdle to be a supporter,                                                               
he said  he appreciates that the  reigning in of how  far out the                                                               
conflict of interest extends probably helps substantially.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:49:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  shared that the e-mails  he has received                                                               
and the testimony are almost dead even.   He said he is not a big                                                               
fan of what is trying to be  done here.  Making special cases for                                                               
a group or  several groups of people  is not a good  way to write                                                               
legislation  and he  questions writing  law for  certain isolated                                                               
cases.   He said  he will  have a  hard time  voting yes  for the                                                               
bill, but he will not stand in the way.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:50:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  noted that confirmation hearings  are forthcoming,                                                               
so  committee  members  will  be   provided  with  the  statutory                                                               
language  for the  various  boards.   This  will highlight  where                                                               
there is a difference, she  noted, because the statute related to                                                               
the Board  of Game  and the  Board of  Fisheries is  very general                                                               
versus for other  boards.  For example, statute for  the Big Game                                                               
Services  Board  specifically  states  that it  shall  be  people                                                               
within the industry and they are expected to vote.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:51:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON moved to report  CSHB 87(FSH) out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no  objection, CSHB 87(FSH) was reported from                                                               
the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB046 Sponsor Statement 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 46
HB046 Ver J 3.14.17.PDF HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 46
HB046 Fiscal Note - DOA - DGS 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 46
HB046 Fiscal Note - DNR - AGS 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 46
HB046 Supporting Docuemnt - A Performance Audit of the Alaska Agriculture and Fisheries Products Preference.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 46
HB046 Supporting Document-AlaskaAgFacts08.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 46
HB046 Supporting Document-Articles 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 46
HB172 Sponsor Statement 3.13.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 172
HB172 Ver A 3.14.17.PDF HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 172
HB172 Fiscal Note - LAW-CRIM 3.13.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 172
HB172 Fiscal Note - DNR-PMC 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 172
HB172 Section Analysis 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 172
HB172 Supporting Document - Letter of support-Constance Fredenberg 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 172
HB172 Supporting Document - Letter of Support-Jack Bennett 3.14.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 172
HB172 Supporting Document - 2014 Farm Bill Sec. 7606 3.15.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 172
HB172 Supporting Document - Letter of Support - Kenai Peninsula Borough 3.15.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 172
HB172 Supporting Document - Letter of Support Kenai Soil & Water Conservation District 3.15.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 172
HB172 Supporting Document - Industrial Hemp Updated Slide Presentation 3.15.17.pdf HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 172
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HB 172
HB087 Sponsor Statement 2.7.17.pdf HFSH 2/9/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 ver O 2.7.17.pdf HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HB 87
HB087 ver A.PDF HFSH 2/9/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 Fiscal Note DFG-BBS-01-31-2017.pdf HFSH 2/9/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 Support ATA.pdf HFSH 2/9/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 Support ver O SEAFA.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 Supporting Document Historic Bills.pdf HFSH 2/9/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 Support SEAFA.pdf HFSH 2/9/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 Support USAG.pdf HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HB087 Supporting Document APHA 3.13.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 Supporting Document - Letter of Support UFA 3.13.17.pdf HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 ver R H FSH CS 3.12.17.PDF HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 Support Lynch.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 Oppose RHAK.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 Sponsor Statement ver R 3.10.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 Summary of Changes A to R 2.17.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 87
HB087 Support SPC.pdf HFSH 2/14/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 Support CDFU.pdf HFSH 2/14/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HB087 Support PVOA.pdf HFSH 2/14/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HB 87
HJR012 Sponsor Statement 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Version D (FSH) 3.12.17.PDF HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Fiscal Note LEG-SESS-02-23-17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Alaska Trollers Association 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Southeast Alaska Fishermen's Alliance 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Petersburg Vessel Owners Association 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Southeast Alaska Seiners Association 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Support - United Southeast Alaska Gillnetters 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Support - United Fishermen of Alaska.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document-Alaska Dispatch News Article 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document-Reps. Young and Defazio 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document-Sen. Murkowski 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HJR 12
HJR012 ver A 2.22.17.PDF HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document - Presentation House Resources Committee 3.12.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
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HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document - Letter of Support from SalmonState.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document - Letter of Support Nelson 3.13.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
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HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document - Letter of Support from Trojan 3.14.17_Redacted.pdf HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
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HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
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HJR 12
HB032 Supporting Document - Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB032 version A 3.12.17.PDF HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB032 Fiscal Note - DEC 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - GMO Q & A 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - HB 92 - AK Trollers Association Letter of Support.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - HB 92 Consolidated Letters of Support 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - Info Graphic 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - Letter of Support for HB 92 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - News Article #2 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - News Article #3 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - News Article #4 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - News Article #5 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB32 Supporting Document - NY Times Article 3.12.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB032 Supporting Document - Letter of Support UFA 3.13.17.pdf HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
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HB 32
HB 172 Fiscal Note - CORREECTED DCCED-CBPL 3.20.17.pdf HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HB 172
HB087 Supporting Document - John Murray Letter 3.16.17.pdf HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HB 87