Legislature(2009 - 2010)BARNES 124

03/30/2009 01:00 PM RESOURCES


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*+ HJR 28 OPPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON OIL/GAS ACTIVITIES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 28(RES) Out of Committee
*+ HCR 10 OPPOSE FED. CONTROL OF STATE LAND & WATER TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHCR 10(RES) Out of Committee
*+ HJR 27 STATE SOVEREIGNTY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 27(RES) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HJR 28-OPPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON OIL/GAS ACTIVITIES                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
1:03:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  announced that  the  first  order of  business                                                               
would be, HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION  NO. 28, Urging the President of                                                               
the United  States and  the United States  Congress not  to adopt                                                               
any policy,  rule, or administrative action  or enact legislation                                                               
that   would  restrict   energy  exploration,   development,  and                                                               
production in federal  and state waters around  Alaska, the outer                                                               
continental shelf within 50 miles  of shore, and elsewhere in the                                                               
continental  United States;  urging the  President of  the United                                                               
States and  the United States  Congress to encourage  and promote                                                               
continued  exploration, development,  and production  of domestic                                                               
oil and gas resources.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BITTNER,  Staff, Representative Craig Johnson,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  introduced  HJR  28  on  behalf  of  Representative                                                               
Johnson,  sponsor.   He  reviewed  the  history of  oil  drilling                                                               
within the Outer  Continental Shelf (OCS) beginning  in 1953 when                                                               
the U.S.  Congress passed the  Submerged Lands Act  which granted                                                               
individual  states the  right to  natural resources  on submerged                                                               
lands up to  three miles off of shore.   The act also re-affirmed                                                               
federal  claims to  all  resources on  OCS  submerged lands  from                                                               
three  miles   offshore  to  two   hundred  miles,  with   a  few                                                               
exceptions, he said.   Later that same year,  Congress passed the                                                               
Outer  Continental   Shelf  Lands   Act  outlining   the  federal                                                               
responsibilities over  these lands and authorizing  the Secretary                                                               
of  Interior  to  lease those  lands  for  resource  development.                                                               
Environmental  activism  in  the  1960s  and  1970s  resulted  in                                                               
passage of  the National Environmental  Policy Act and  the Clean                                                               
Air  Act, and  creation of  the Environmental  Protection Agency.                                                               
He said these and other regulatory  bills created the core of the                                                               
regulatory  framework  currently  applicable  to  all  extractive                                                               
industries.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BITTNER noted  that  in the  1980s  Congress passed  various                                                               
area-specific moratoriums  on OCS  drilling and during  this time                                                               
petroleum  revenues dropped  markedly for  a variety  of reasons.                                                               
By 1990 the bans on drilling  had encompassed so much of the U.S.                                                               
Exclusive Economic Zone  that a blanket moratorium  on most areas                                                               
was enacted by the president.   In 2008, President Bush rescinded                                                               
this moratorium and Congress followed  suit by rescinding the ban                                                               
on  OCS  leasing.   This  allowed  the U.S.  Minerals  Management                                                               
Service  (MMS) to  start the  process of  offering OCS  lands for                                                               
lease.  He related that the  MMS estimates that 574 million acres                                                               
of the U.S.  OCS are currently off limits and  these banned areas                                                               
contain  an  estimated  17.8  billion barrels  of  oil  and  76.5                                                               
trillion cubic feet (TCF) of natural gas.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BITTNER stated  that a  recently  released economic  report,                                                               
commissioned  by  Shell  Oil  on  the  economic  impacts  of  OCS                                                               
development in Alaska, projects that  roughly 35,000 jobs will be                                                               
created in the  state over the 50-year period  of OCS development                                                               
and exploration, with those jobs  representing a combined payroll                                                               
of  $72  billion.   Direct  petroleum  revenue  to the  state  is                                                               
estimated at  $5.8 billion, the  majority of which  will directly                                                               
impact local governments through property taxes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITTNER said  President Obama is delaying the  lifting of the                                                               
OCS  drilling  moratorium  and   Interior  Secretary  Salazar  is                                                               
expressing  interest   in  closing   or  severely   limiting  OCS                                                               
exploration and  drilling in the Lower  48 in favor of  an as yet                                                               
uncrafted comprehensive energy plan.   He noted that this kind of                                                               
uncertainty   adversely   affects   potential   exploration   and                                                               
development  in these  areas because  companies cannot  afford to                                                               
risk huge sums  of capital to develop a resource  unless there is                                                               
a reasonable guarantee that their  investment will be secure.  To                                                               
this  effect,  he said  HJR  28  sends  a  clear message  to  the                                                               
President, Secretary of  the Interior, and Congress  that no laws                                                               
or  administrative orders  should be  passed that  would restrict                                                               
OCS drilling  and exploration in  Alaska or the  continental U.S.                                                               
The  resolution  further  urges  that  offshore  exploration  and                                                               
drilling be encouraged.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:07:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  NEUMAN asked  whether other  states have  come up  with                                                               
resolutions similar to HJR 28.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITTNER answered  that there has been a  pretty broad support                                                               
among several states  for OCS drilling.  It took  hold during the                                                               
recent  energy  crisis  when  oil   and  gas  was  expensive  and                                                               
alternative sources of petroleum were  being looked for.  He said                                                               
he does not  have any specific resolutions from  states, but that                                                               
Congress  has  passed  a resolution  urging  President  Obama  to                                                               
support OCS drilling.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   inquired  why  HJR  28   only  addresses                                                               
submerged lands as  far out as 50 miles rather  than the 200-mile                                                               
OCS limit.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITTNER understood that this is  because HJR 28 only looks at                                                               
the  resources  in Alaska  and  most  of Alaska's  OCS  resources                                                               
currently  being considered  for development  are within  the 50-                                                               
mile range.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON agreed  with  Mr.  Bittner.   Alaska  is not  a                                                               
signator on the Law of the  Sea Treaty, he added, so the decision                                                               
was to keep the distance close.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   asked  whether   there  is   a  separate                                                               
designation of a 50-mile zone.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON said there is not,  but that 50 miles is what is                                                               
being looked  at by Shell Oil  in the Chukchi and  Beaufort seas;                                                               
thus,  this is  the  area  that he  would  like  to address  when                                                               
Interior Secretary Salazar visits Alaska in April 2009.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:10:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NEUMAN  related that  representatives from  the Aleutian                                                               
Chain  and  Bristol  Bay  offered  their  support  for  off-shore                                                               
development while visiting Juneau  earlier this year because such                                                               
development would create jobs and be safe.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK noted that beginning  on page 2, line 31, the                                                               
resolution reads:   "in federal  and state waters  around Alaska,                                                               
the  outer  continental  shelf  within 50  miles  of  shore,  and                                                               
elsewhere  in the  continental United  States...."   He  inquired                                                               
whether "elsewhere in the continental  United States" expands the                                                               
resolution beyond Alaska's interests.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITTNER replied  that HJR 28 specifically  focuses on Alaska,                                                               
but  does  include  provisions in  support  of  outer-continental                                                               
drilling off the rest of the continental United States.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  added  that  the hope  is  other  states  will                                                               
support and include Alaska when they pass their own resolutions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TUCK  expressed   his   concern  that   Alaska's                                                               
interests  not  be  tied  to  a  conglomerate  of  other  state's                                                               
interests and that Alaska speak for itself.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:12:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON noted  that the other states  might want to                                                               
address 200 miles  offshore rather than 50 miles,  given that 200                                                               
miles is what is included in the Law of the Sea Treaty.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  responded he would  not oppose amending  HJR 28                                                               
to  200  miles,  even  though  the  resolution  was  designed  to                                                               
encompass  the lease  sales that  are happening  in Alaska  right                                                               
now.  He  said he does not  want to have Canada  or Russia oppose                                                               
the resolution given that Alaska is  not a signator on the treaty                                                               
and technically does not have jurisdiction over the 200 miles.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG asked  whether there  are any  reasons                                                               
where it  might not be in  the state's best interest  to develop,                                                               
such as geoducks or specific places.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BITTNER said  he is  sure there  are, but  he does  not know                                                               
about any specific  sites since he does not  know the combination                                                               
of  biology and  potential petroleum  reserves.   He pointed  out                                                               
that before a  lease can be issued, and even  after it is issued,                                                               
significant environmental  and biological impact studies  must be                                                               
performed, which is taken into account.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:15:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  inquired whether  HJR 28 would  override the                                                               
wishes  of local  communities participating  in the  Coastal Zone                                                               
Management Plan.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BITTNER answered  that he  understands the  resolution would                                                               
not because it  deals only with the views on  OCS drilling of the                                                               
President, Secretary of the Interior, and Congress.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON interjected  that a  resolution only  indicates                                                               
the legislature's wishes; it has  no legal standing and would not                                                               
affect the Coastal Zone Management Plan.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON opened public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:16:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON BRUNE, Executive Director, Resource Development Council                                                                   
(RDC), supported HJR 28 on behalf of the RDC.  He testified from                                                                
the following written statement [original punctuation provided]:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     RDC  is  a   statewide,  non-profit,  membership-funded                                                                    
     organization founded  in 1975.   The RDC  membership is                                                                    
     comprised  of individuals  and companies  from Alaska's                                                                    
     oil  and gas,  mining, timber,  tourism, and  fisheries                                                                    
     industries,  as  well  as Alaska  Native  corporations,                                                                    
     local  communities,   organized  labor,   and  industry                                                                    
     support firms.  RDC's purpose  is to link these diverse                                                                    
     interests together  to encourage a  strong, diversified                                                                    
     private  sector  in  Alaska   and  expand  the  state's                                                                    
     economic  base through  the responsible  development of                                                                    
     our natural resources.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Oil and gas resources  located in the Outer Continental                                                                    
     Shelf  out  to 200  miles  are  vital to  the  economic                                                                    
     viability of  a gas  pipeline to the  Lower 48  and the                                                                    
     continued  operation  of   the  Trans  Alaska  Pipeline                                                                    
     System  [TAPS].    Indeed,  an  additional  15  TCF  of                                                                    
     natural gas  must be discovered  for either  the Trans-                                                                    
     Canada or  Denali pipeline projects to  be economically                                                                    
     viable over the long term.   In addition, throughput in                                                                    
     TAPS continues its decline from  2.1 million barrels of                                                                    
     oil  per day  in  the  late 80s  to  one-third of  that                                                                    
     today.   This  trend  can be  reversed with  production                                                                    
     from   the  OCS   where   we   should  be   encouraging                                                                    
     development, not hampering it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     No  one   has  more  care  for   the  environment  than                                                                    
     Alaskans,  and  OCS  development  has  a  strong  track                                                                    
     record.    It  has   coexisted  with  other  industries                                                                    
     including fishing,  in Cook Inlet,  the North  Sea, and                                                                    
     the Gulf  of Mexico.  Energy  exploration, development,                                                                    
     and  production  in  federal and  state  waters  around                                                                    
     Alaska will  occur in an  environmentally-sensitive and                                                                    
     responsible  manner   overseen  by  the   strongest  of                                                                    
     regulatory   regimes.      When   necessary,   seasonal                                                                    
     operating  restrictions  and   mitigation  measures  to                                                                    
     avoid  conflicts  with  other resource  users  will  be                                                                    
     employed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Given  the nation  will remain  heavily reliant  on oil                                                                    
     and gas  development for decades, America  must harness                                                                    
     the  significant  energy  resources  beneath  its  most                                                                    
     promising onshore and offshore oil  and gas basins.  It                                                                    
     is   important  to   take   into  consideration,   when                                                                    
     formulating  public policy,  that for  every barrel  of                                                                    
     oil America  refuses to  develop domestically,  it will                                                                    
     have little choice  but to import an  equal amount from                                                                    
     overseas  -  where   weaker  environmental  regulations                                                                    
     often apply.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     With the  impact high-energy  prices have  on Americans                                                                    
     and their economy,  the U.S. has a  moral obligation to                                                                    
     develop  domestic energy  sources, and  the OCS  is the                                                                    
     ideal location.  The resources  located in the OCS will                                                                    
     buy us the time we  need to develop the alternative and                                                                    
     renewable energy resources that  will someday break our                                                                    
     reliance on foreign oil.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUNE,  in regard to  earlier discussion, stated  that leases                                                               
currently held in the Chukchi Sea  are located between 60 and 120                                                               
miles offshore, in the Beaufort Sea  they are up to 25 miles, and                                                               
in the North  Aleutian Basin the prospective areas are  out to 25                                                               
miles.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  asked whether Mr. Brune  would support changing                                                               
the 50 miles to 200 miles.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUNE supported the 200 miles.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:21:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARILYN   CROCKETT,  Executive   Director,  Alaska   Oil  &   Gas                                                               
Association  (AOGA), stated  that AOGA  is the  trade association                                                               
for Alaska's  oil and gas industry  and it supports HJR  28.  She                                                               
testified as follows:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Passage  of  this  resolution will  send  an  important                                                                    
     message to the President  and lawmakers in the nation's                                                                    
     capital  that  Alaska  recognizes the  role  that  this                                                                    
     state  can play  in securing  critical domestic  energy                                                                    
     supplies.     An  energy  plan  for   the  nation  will                                                                    
     absolutely need to include Alaska  since this state has                                                                    
     over   30   percent   of   the   nation's   technically                                                                    
     recoverable resources.  In the  offshore alone, the MMS                                                                    
     estimates that  Alaska's OCS  contains an  estimated 27                                                                    
     billion barrels of  oil and 132 trillion  cubic feet of                                                                    
     natural gas  resources.   Furthermore, ...  the Chukchi                                                                    
     Sea  Basin  ...  has  been characterized  as  the  most                                                                    
     promising    and   materially    undeveloped   offshore                                                                    
     petroleum base  in the  U.S.   So, clearly,  Alaska can                                                                    
     play  a  very,  very  critical role  in  terms  of  the                                                                    
     nation's energy supply.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CROCKETT noted that in addition  to the jobs and payroll that                                                               
would result  within Alaska from  OCS development,  $1.3 trillion                                                               
would  be  generated by  OCS  development  in  the Lower  48  for                                                               
federal, state,  and local government,  as well as  160,000 jobs.                                                               
She said the  oil and gas industry has already  spent billions of                                                               
dollars  for  the  rights  to   explore  and  develop  these  OCS                                                               
resources offshore  of Alaska.   While  harsh climate  and remote                                                               
locations are  challenges to  OCS development, HJR  28 is  a step                                                               
toward  mitigating  other types  of  challenges,  such as  access                                                               
restriction.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:23:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM LAKOSH  stated that he  is a victim  of the Exxon  Valdez oil                                                               
spill and  while he  does not  have a  problem with  offshore gas                                                               
exploration and  development, he  does have grave  concerns about                                                               
Alaska's   inadequate   oil   spill  prevention   and   response,                                                               
particularly  in  Alaska's  ice-bearing waters  and  extreme  sea                                                               
states.   He  said he  has  researched oil  spill prevention  and                                                               
response technology  and when he  presented that technology  at a                                                               
2003  conference, experts  agreed  that the  technology would  be                                                               
effective in Alaska's  waters.  He related, however,  that a "BP"                                                               
representative told  him the  company did  not need  better spill                                                               
response  because the  Department  of Environmental  Conservation                                                               
gives  an   exemption  from  the  oil   spill  response  planning                                                               
standards when  there is more than  10 percent ice on  the water.                                                               
This seems very irresponsible, he said.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAKOSH contended  that  Alaska  is 10  years  behind in  the                                                               
standard  for evaluating  oil spill  response effectiveness.   He                                                               
said he must therefore oppose  HJR 28 if it promotes continuation                                                               
of this  ineffective oil spill  response.  He requested  that the                                                               
resolution's language  be amended  to exclude improved  oil spill                                                               
prevention and response  from any restrictions that  the state or                                                               
federal government may  impose on offshore development.   He said                                                               
he does  not like to  think that committee members  would violate                                                               
the  constitutional   right  to  reasonable  concurrent   use  of                                                               
Alaska's  resources,   of  which  subsistence  has   the  highest                                                               
priority  and would  be  adversely affected  by  the present  oil                                                               
spill  regulation  which  is totally  ineffective  at  preventing                                                               
damage to subsistence resources.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:27:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON said  that HJR 28 does say  safe and responsible                                                               
exploration.  He  explained that since it is a  resolution, not a                                                               
bill, it does not exempt anyone  from oil spill requirements.  He                                                               
said he will follow up on the 10 percent ice exemption.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON inquired  whether Mr.  Lakosh had  written                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAKOSH said he does not, but  that he would like to follow up                                                               
with Representative Seaton directly  to further explain the exact                                                               
impediments  to  effective  oil spill  recovery  in  both  arctic                                                               
conditions and  high seas that  are not being  properly addressed                                                               
by the Department of Environmental  Conservation, the MMS, or the                                                               
U.S. Coast Guard.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON urged  Mr. Lakosh  to  get with  Representative                                                               
Seaton or himself because if there  is technology to do it right,                                                               
then that should be implemented.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:29:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  whether eliminating  the  term  50                                                               
miles from page 2, line 21,  would satisfy Mr. Brune in regard to                                                               
not restricting OCS development.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUNE responded that it  would be the aforementioned location                                                               
as well  as on page 1,  line 4, and  that it could be  changed to                                                               
say up to  the 200 mile Exclusive  Economic Zone.  He  said it is                                                               
correct that there are areas  in which Alaska's jurisdiction does                                                               
not extend that far, given other nations that border the state.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  said the committee  will probably look  at some                                                               
kind of an  amendment on this.  He closed  public testimony after                                                               
ascertaining that no one else wished to testify.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  NEUMAN  moved  that   the  committee  adopt  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1 as follows:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 4, following "within":                                                                                        
          Delete "50"                                                                                                           
          Insert "200"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 21, following "within":                                                                                       
          Delete "50"                                                                                                           
          Insert "200"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 31, following "within":                                                                                       
          Delete "50"                                                                                                           
          Insert "200"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:32:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  objected  for discussion  purposes.    He                                                               
asked whether  the co-chair  wishes to  restrict the  distance to                                                               
200 miles  or would it  be better  to say "the  Outer Continental                                                               
Shelf controlled  by the U.S."   He noted there is  a bill before                                                               
Congress that would extend U.S. jurisdiction beyond 200 miles.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON said  it  is  not his  intention  to limit  the                                                               
distance  and perhaps  the  amendment could  state  200 miles  or                                                               
whichever  is greater.    He asked  whether the  Law  of the  Sea                                                               
Treaty  would   go  potentially   150  miles  beyond   the  Outer                                                               
Continental  Shelf or  if the  Outer  Continental Shelf  extended                                                               
more than 200 miles.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON answered  that  if  the Outer  Continental                                                               
Shelf extends  beyond 200 miles,  then under  the Law of  the Sea                                                               
Treaty the U.S.  could extend its jurisdiction  beyond 200 miles,                                                               
but only as far as the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  commented that  he would like  to have                                                               
someone   with  offshore   expertise  tell   the  committee   the                                                               
difference between  the jurisdictions  and what the  result would                                                               
be  if  the  language  is  changed to  that  being  suggested  by                                                               
Representative Seaton.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:34:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said he agrees  with the 200 miles  and is                                                               
only  bringing   this  up  because   of  discussions   about  the                                                               
jurisdiction possibly being extended beyond 200 miles.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON said the resolution  should not be based on what                                                               
may happen  in the future, given  that the Law of  the Sea Treaty                                                               
has not yet been ratified.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  NEUMAN said  the  committee should  deal  with the  way                                                               
things are today.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON concurred.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  pointed   out  that   he  objected   for                                                               
discussion  and  is  not  offering  an  amendment  to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1,  but he just  wanted the discussion  for legislative                                                               
history to show  that the intent is not to  restrict the distance                                                               
to 200 miles  should U.S. control of the  Outer Continental Shelf                                                               
be extended beyond that distance.  He withdrew his objection.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON,  after  ascertaining   there  was  no  further                                                               
objection, announced that Conceptual Amendment 1 has passed.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:37:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  NEUMAN moved  to  report  HJR 28,  as  amended, out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
zero fiscal note.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  objected and expressed his  concern with the                                                               
language "and  elsewhere in the  continental United  States" that                                                               
appears on  page 1, line  4, as well  as several other  places in                                                               
the  resolution.   He  said it  is not  in  Alaska's interest  to                                                               
impose something on  other states and trying  to exercise control                                                               
over other states  could create a backlash.  Because  he does not                                                               
like it when other states  pass resolutions about Alaskan issues,                                                               
he said it concerns him when Alaska does this to other states.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  said  the term  imposed  is  wishful  thinking                                                               
because  this is  only a  resolution and  a communication  to the                                                               
President and  others asking  them to  take Alaska's  wishes into                                                               
consideration.   He  said that  because  the resolution  supports                                                               
something rather than  opposes something, each state  can use the                                                               
resolution as it wishes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:39:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  withdrew his  objection and  reiterated that                                                               
he would not want another state doing this to Alaska.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON offered  his assurance that he would  not try to                                                               
impose the committee's will on any other state.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  stated that even if  the resolution is                                                               
successful in  prompting action,  that action might  be prevented                                                               
by  the current  policies  and regulations  such  that no  leases                                                               
could occur.  He urged caution in what is being asked for.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON said he is clear in what he is asking for.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NEUMAN again moved to report  HJR 28, as amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
zero fiscal  note.  There  being no objection, CSHJR  28(RES) was                                                               
reported from the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                              

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CSHCR 10(RES).pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HCR 10
CSHJR 27(RES).pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HJR 27
HJR 28 Packet.pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HJR 28
HCR 10 Packet.pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HCR 10
HJR 27 Packet.pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HJR 27
CSHJR 28(RES).pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HJR 28
HCR 10 NPS Water Regs.pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HCR 10
HCR 10 zero fiscal note.pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HCR 10
HJR 27 zero fiscal note.pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HJR 27
HJR 28 zero fiscal note.pdf HRES 3/30/2009 1:00:00 PM
HJR 28