Legislature(2019 - 2020)GRUENBERG 120

03/18/2020 01:00 PM JUDICIARY

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01:11:25 PM Start
01:12:00 PM Alaska Police Standards Council
01:27:19 PM HB174
02:05:03 PM HB287
02:55:44 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Alaska Police Standards Council - Ed Mercer,
Daniel Weatherly, Joseph White, Jennifer
Winkelman
-- Public Testimony --
+= HB 174 MIN. AGE TO POSSESS NICOTINE/ECIG PRODUCT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 174(CRA) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+ HJR 31 CONST AM: PERMANENT FUND; POMV;EARNINGS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
<Pending Referral>
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 287 VILLAGE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER GRANTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                 
                HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                            
                          March 18, 2020                                                                                        
                            1:11 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Laddie Shaw                                                                                                      
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Daniel Weatherly - Anchor Point                                                                                            
     Joseph White - Ketchikan                                                                                                   
     Ed Mercer - Juneau                                                                                                         
     Jennifer Winkelman - Juneau                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 174                                                                                                              
"An Act raising the minimum age to purchase, sell, exchange, or                                                                 
possess a product containing nicotine or an electronic smoking                                                                  
product; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 174(CRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 287                                                                                                              
"An  Act requiring  background investigations  of village  public                                                               
safety  officer applicants  by the  Department of  Public Safety;                                                               
relating  to  the  village public  safety  officer  program;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 174                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MIN. AGE TO POSSESS NICOTINE/ECIG PRODUCT                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KNOPP                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
05/15/19       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
05/15/19       (H)       CRA, JUD                                                                                               
03/05/20       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/05/20       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/05/20       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/10/20       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/10/20       (H)       Moved CSHB 174(CRA) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/10/20       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/11/20       (H)       CRA RPT CS(CRA) NT 5DP                                                                                 
03/11/20       (H)       DP: CLAMAN, JACKSON, KREISS-TOMKINS,                                                                   
                        HANNAN, DRUMMOND                                                                                        
03/16/20       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/16/20       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/18/20       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 287                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: VILLAGE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER GRANTS                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KOPP                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
02/24/20       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/24/20       (H)       TRB, JUD, FIN                                                                                          
02/26/20       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
02/26/20       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
03/03/20       (H)       TRB AT 8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                               
03/03/20       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/03/20       (H)       MINUTE(TRB)                                                                                            
03/05/20       (H)       TRB AT 8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                               
03/05/20       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/05/20       (H)       MINUTE(TRB)                                                                                            
03/10/20       (H)       TRB AT 8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                               
03/10/20       (H)       Moved CSHB 287(TRB) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/10/20       (H)       MINUTE(TRB)                                                                                            
03/11/20       (H)       TRB RPT CS(TRB) 4DP 1NR                                                                                
03/11/20       (H)       DP: KOPP, LINCOLN, ORTIZ, ZULKOSKY                                                                     
03/11/20       (H)       NR: VANCE                                                                                              
03/11/20       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/11/20       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/11/20       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/13/20       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/13/20       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/13/20       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/16/20       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/16/20       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/18/20       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL WEATHERLY, Appointee                                                                                                     
Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                                 
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered testimony on his appointment to the                                                              
Alaska Police Standards Council.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH WHITE, Appointee                                                                                                         
Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                                 
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered testimony on his appointment to the                                                              
Alaska Police Standards Council.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ED MERCER, Appointee                                                                                                            
Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered testimony on his appointment to the                                                              
Alaska Police Standards Council.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARY KNOPP                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  As prime sponsor, introduced HB 174.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KERRY CROCKER, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 174 on behalf of                                                                            
Representative Gary Knopp, prime sponsor.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JON BERRIER, Senior Director                                                                                                    
Public Affairs                                                                                                                  
Juul Labs                                                                                                                       
Sacramento California                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 174.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ALEX MCDONALD                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 174.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SHAUN D'SYLVA, Business Owner                                                                                                   
Fat Boy Vapors                                                                                                                  
Seattle, Washington                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 174.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MARGE STONEKING, Executive Director                                                                                             
American Lung Association                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 174.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
EMILY NENON, Alaska Government Relations Director                                                                               
American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 174.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW MERRILL, Captain                                                                                                         
Division of Alaska State Troopers                                                                                               
Department of Public Safety                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions pertaining to CSHB
287(TRB).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KATHRYN MONFREDA, Director                                                                                                      
Division of Statewide Support                                                                                                   
Department of Public Safety                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions pertaining to HB 287.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL NEMETH, VPSO Program Coordinator                                                                                        
Aleutian Pribilof Islands Association                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions pertaining to HB 287.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KEN TRUITT, Staff                                                                                                               
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions pertaining to HB 287 on                                                               
behalf of Representative Kopp, prime sponsor.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:11:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MATT  CLAMAN called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting  to order  at 1:11  p.m.   Representatives Claman,  Kopp,                                                               
Drummond, Stutes, and LeDoux were present at the call to order.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                       
                     CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                               
^Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                                
                 Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
1:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
the  confirmation  hearings  for   the  Alaska  Police  Standards                                                               
Council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:12:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   opened  public  testimony  on   the  confirmation                                                               
hearings for the Alaska Police Standards Council.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:13:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL  WEATHERLY, Appointee,  Alaska  Police Standards  Council,                                                               
offered  testimony  on  his  appointment  to  the  Alaska  Police                                                               
Standards Council (APSC).  He stated  that he had sent his resume                                                               
via e-mail  to the committee  members [hard copy included  in the                                                               
committee packet],  and he did not  have anything to add  to that                                                               
but could go through it for the  committee.  He said that he grew                                                               
up throughout  most of the  United States with three  years spent                                                               
oversees  in Europe,  graduated  high school,  and then  attended                                                               
Briar Cliff  College in Iowa,  San Francisco University,  and the                                                               
University  of  Alaska  campuses  in  Ketchikan,  Anchorage,  and                                                               
Homer.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEATHERLY  stated that  he was  in the  U.S. Coast  Guard for                                                               
four years, the last two years  of which were spent in Ketchikan.                                                               
He said that  when he got out  of the U.S. Coast  Guard he served                                                               
as  the seasonal  state park  ranger  in Ketchikan,  and for  two                                                               
years  he was  a full-time  firefighter with  the Ketchikan  Fire                                                               
Department.  He stated that he  left Ketchikan to join the Alaska                                                               
State Troopers, and his assignments  were at the academy in Sitka                                                               
and   patrols   in   Anchorage   and   Valdez   during   pipeline                                                               
construction.    He said  that  he  returned to  Anchorage  doing                                                               
statewide  criminal,   and  after  three  years   transferred  to                                                               
Kotzebue as the post supervisor for  all the villages in the Nana                                                               
Region.   He stated that while  he was stationed in  Kotzebue the                                                               
original  Village  Public  Safety   Officer  (VPSO)  program  was                                                               
started,  and he  was  part  of the  original  group of  troopers                                                               
working   to  get   the  program   implemented,  organized,   and                                                               
functional.   He remarked that  during his last year  in Kotzebue                                                               
there were  10 VPSOs, 3 constables,  1 trooper, and himself.   He                                                               
said that  he was  involved in  the hiring,  selection, training,                                                               
supervision, and evaluation of individual VPSOs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WEATHERLY  stated  that  his next  assignment  was  as  post                                                               
supervisor to  several villages outside of  Seldovia city limits.                                                               
He  said that  while stationed  in  Homer, he  served on  several                                                               
nonprofit boards.   He remarked  that for  four years he  was the                                                               
only  enforcement representative  on  a  community mental  health                                                               
board in Homer, Alaska, and when  the city commissioned for a new                                                               
police  station he  retired from  the  State of  Alaska after  22                                                               
years and  worked for  the city of  Homer for 3  years.   He then                                                               
left the  area and worked on  the North Slope at  the alpine camp                                                               
for  14   years  and  8   months  as  a  contract   employee  for                                                               
International  Services at  ConocoPhillips.   He  stated that  he                                                               
retired  in 2015.   He  remarked that  his wife  and family  have                                                               
lived in Anchor Point since 1983.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEATHERLY expressed that his  interest in serving on the APSC                                                               
is fairly simple, as  most of his time in service  was as a state                                                               
trooper living in small communities  in villages and rural areas,                                                               
and  he  worked,  explored,  and  traveled  across  Alaska,  from                                                               
Ketchikan to  the North Slope  and "off-the-chain  through Adak."                                                               
He   said  that   while  with   the   troopers,  he   accumulated                                                               
approximately   2,000  hours   in   training   and  an   advanced                                                               
certificate as  a certified  instructor.   He expressed  that the                                                               
state  has   invested  considerable  time  and   expense  in  his                                                               
development as  a trooper, and  he would like the  opportunity to                                                               
"make a return on that investment."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:17:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked Mr. Weatherly  whether he had served any prior                                                               
terms on the APSC or this would be his first.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEATHERLY replied that this would be his first term.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:17:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP remarked  that  he was  pleased  to see  Mr.                                                               
Weatherly putting  his name forward  and remarked that  he didn't                                                               
realize he had  worked in the Coast Guard as  well.  He expressed                                                               
that  he  was  very  pleased  to support  Mr.  Weatherly  in  his                                                               
appointment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH  WHITE,   Appointee,  Alaska  Police   Standards  Council,                                                               
offered  testimony  on  his  appointment  to  the  Alaska  Police                                                               
Standards Council.   He stated that he is currently  the chief of                                                               
police in  Ketchikan and is  coming up on his  twenty-fourth year                                                               
with  the department.   He  said that  he has  been the  chief of                                                               
police for the  last three years and during that  time had worked                                                               
most  positions within  the police  department  and has  received                                                               
thousands of hours of training, some  of which was at the Federal                                                               
Bureau  of Investigation  (FBI)  National Academy  in  2013.   He                                                               
stated  that he  sits as  chair on  the local  Emergency Planning                                                               
Commission and sits on domestic  violence and sexual assault task                                                               
forces  in   Ketchikan,  which   work  unilaterally   with  other                                                               
agencies.  He said that he  currently serves on APSC and has done                                                               
so since  May 2018.  He  expressed that he brings  good judgement                                                               
to the board and likes to listen  to all sides of an issue before                                                               
making decisions.   He stated that the decisions  APSC makes have                                                               
grave  consequences for  many  people;  it is  a  serious job  to                                                               
maintain the standards  of law enforcement within the  state.  He                                                               
remarked that he enjoys serving with the current board members.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:20:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ED MERCER,  Appointee, Alaska  Police Standards  Council, offered                                                               
testimony  on  his appointment  to  the  Alaska Police  Standards                                                               
Council.  He  stated that he has served on  APSC since Fall 2019,                                                               
and he stated that this was  his first confirmation to the board.                                                               
He  explained that  he  is the  chief of  police  for the  Juneau                                                               
Police  Department.   He  said that  he was  born  and raised  in                                                               
Alaska,  grew up  in Sitka,  and appreciates  the opportunity  to                                                               
serve on  APSC.  He  stated that he  has been in  law enforcement                                                               
for 27 years, starting his  career at the Sitka Police Department                                                               
in  1992 and  transferring  to the  Juneau  Police Department  in                                                               
2000.    He expressed  that  he  has  had many  opportunities  to                                                               
advance his career  during his tenure in Juneau and  has made his                                                               
way through  the ranks from  officer to chief.   He said  that he                                                               
has  received thousands  of hours  of police  training throughout                                                               
his  career,  ranging  from  basic   police  procedures  to  more                                                               
advanced  supervision  management  and  executive  level  command                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF MERCER said  that he holds a Bachelor of  Science Degree in                                                               
Criminal Justice  from Herzing University, and  he graduated from                                                               
the FBI National Academy.  He  stated that he currently serves on                                                               
the  Alaska Association  of  Chiefs of  Police,  a working  group                                                               
known  as  FBI  Criminal  Justice   Information  System  for  the                                                               
Northwest  Working  Group, and  the  Alaska  High Intensity  Drug                                                               
Trafficking Areas Board.   He pointed out that  he has previously                                                               
served on several local boards,  task force committees, the local                                                               
Emergency Planning  Committee, and the local  Homeless Task Force                                                               
in Juneau.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  MERCER stated  that he  enjoys serving  on boards  and law                                                               
enforcement,  because he  has a  strong purpose  to serve,  has a                                                               
good understanding of  police professionalism and accountability,                                                               
and  can share  his  experiences  with the  board  as a  critical                                                               
thinker who is methodical in  decision making.  He explained that                                                               
some  of  the  decisions  APSC   makes  are  very  impactful  for                                                               
individuals, especially to livelihood.   He expressed that he has                                                               
a strong desire  to keep the law  enforcement profession credible                                                               
by having uniform  standards for all Alaska law  enforcement.  He                                                               
stressed   accountability  and   said  that   he  thinks   police                                                               
departments  need a  system of  internal checks  and balances  to                                                               
ensure that they uphold standards.   He summarized that these are                                                               
some of the reasons that he feels he is suited to serve on APSC.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:23:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  stated the final appointee  was Jennifer Winkelman,                                                               
but that  his office  had received a  communication that  she was                                                               
under  the  weather  and  would  not  be  able  to  offer  spoken                                                               
testimony  at  the meeting.    He  said  that there  was  written                                                               
testimony  from Jennifer  Winkelman for  the committee  to review                                                               
[hard copy included in the committee  packet.]  He noted that she                                                               
is a reappointment to APSC and  is currently serving on the board                                                               
through previous  approval.  He  stated that she is  someone that                                                               
is known for her work with  the Department of Corrections and she                                                               
is seen in the Capitol Building with some frequency.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:24:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN, after  ascertaining that there was no  one else who                                                               
wished to  testify, closed public  testimony on  the confirmation                                                               
hearings for the Alaska Police Standards Council.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:25:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND commented  that she  was impressed  with                                                               
the level of professionalism and  experience conveyed by all four                                                               
appointees.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:25:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KOPP   remarked   that   he   wanted   to   echo                                                               
Representative Drummond's  comments.  He noted  that Chief Mercer                                                               
is a  very dedicated  public servant  who has  spent all  his law                                                               
enforcement  time  in  Southeast  Alaska.   He  stated  that  Mr.                                                               
Truitt,  who  works  with  him,   provides  a  very  good  family                                                               
reference for Chief  Mercer, as his father went to  school at Mt.                                                               
Edgecumbe High School,  which is where Mr. Truitt's  father was a                                                               
long-time teacher.   He commented that  he has it on  good report                                                               
that Chief Mercer is not only a  good chief in Juneau, but a good                                                               
man in general, and he expressed  that he is proud to support all                                                               
the appointees.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:26:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  commented that he  would like to echo  the comments                                                               
that were  already spoken, and he  said that he thinks  these are                                                               
outstanding  appointees.   He expressed  he is  glad to  see that                                                               
some  who had  served previously  are willing  to continue  their                                                               
service, which he opined "speaks well."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:26:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP stated  that  the  House Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee  has  reviewed  the qualifications  of  the  governor's                                                               
appointees, and recommends that  the following names be forwarded                                                               
to   a  Joint   Session  of   the  Senate   and  the   House  for                                                               
consideration:   Ed Mercer, Daniel  Weatherly, Joseph  White, and                                                               
Jennifer Winkelman  to the Alaska  Police Standards Council.   He                                                               
stated that  this does not reflect  intent by any of  the members                                                               
to  vote for  or  against these  individuals  during any  further                                                               
sessions for the purposes of confirmation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   announced  that  the  confirmations   for  Daniel                                                               
Weatherly,  Joseph  White,  Ed  Mercer,  and  Jenifer  Winkelman,                                                               
appointees to the Alaska Police Standards Council were advanced.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
         HB 174-MIN. AGE TO POSSESS NICOTINE/ECIG PRODUCT                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:27:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 174, "An Act  raising the minimum age to purchase,                                                               
sell, exchange,  or possess a  product containing nicotine  or an                                                               
electronic  smoking  product;  and  providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."  [Before the committee was CSHB 174(CRA).]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:27:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARY KNOPP,  Alaska State  Legislature, as  prime                                                               
sponsor, introduced HB 174.  He  stated that in the past year the                                                               
federal   government  had   raised  [the   age  requirement   for                                                               
purchasing  tobacco  and  products  containing  nicotine]  to  21                                                               
years,  from  18 or  19  years  of age.    He  remarked that  the                                                               
proposed  legislation would  simply raise  the age  in Alaska  to                                                               
bring  Alaska's statute  into compliance  with  what the  federal                                                               
government has  done.  He explained  that the reason for  this is                                                               
because,  if  left as  is,  there  would  be discrepancies:    If                                                               
someone  sold to  individuals under  21 years  of age,  then only                                                               
federal penalties  would apply; but  if sold to someone  under 19                                                               
years of  age, then state  penalties would  apply.  He  said that                                                               
there is  an ambiguity between  the ages  as to which  laws would                                                               
apply, and  the state  penalties are  slightly harsher  than what                                                               
the  federal guidelines  are.   He summarized  that the  proposed                                                               
legislation  would bring  Alaska into  compliance by  raising the                                                               
age to 21; it would change nothing else.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:29:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked why  it  is  so important  to  have                                                               
Alaska's  tobacco laws  in compliance,  when there  are marijuana                                                               
laws that  are clearly not  in compliance with federal  laws, and                                                               
she said, "We seem to be living through that."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP answered that it  is "apples to oranges," as                                                               
the  federal  government does  not  regulate  or allow  marijuana                                                               
whatsoever.   He said  that age  limits for  the sale  of tobacco                                                               
products exist in  state and federal law, and it  is important to                                                               
avoid  a  conflict  between  law  enforcement  and  the  judicial                                                               
system,  as it  "keeps it  clean."   He  stated that  "important"                                                               
would be  a matter of opinion  for some people, and  he thinks it                                                               
is  important  in  the  judiciary process  penalty  phase  to  be                                                               
consistent in what is adopted.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX commented  that  this is  a difference  of                                                               
opinion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:30:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KERRY  CROCKER, Staff,  Representative Gary  Knopp, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, presented  HB 174 on  behalf of  Representative Gary                                                               
Knopp,  prime   sponsor.    He   stated  that  he   could  answer                                                               
Representative Ledoux's question more  extensively.  He said that                                                               
one of  the important parts  of the proposed legislation  is that                                                               
there is approximately $2.8 million  dollars of federal substance                                                               
abuse grant  money tied to  the age change.   He said that  it is                                                               
important for  the state  to realize  that down  the road,  if it                                                               
doesn't change  the age, there will  be a risk of  losing some of                                                               
those federal substance abuse grants.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROCKER stated  that HB 174 would change  Alaska's statute to                                                               
match  the recently  implemented federal  guidelines for  sale of                                                               
tobacco products,  would raise the legal  age from 19 to  21, and                                                               
would end discrepancies  in both statute and  enforcement in both                                                               
state  and  federal  laws.     He  said  that  according  to  the                                                               
Department of  Health and Social  Services (DHSS),  smoking costs                                                               
Alaska around $575  million in direct medical  expenses and kills                                                               
around  700  people annually.    He  stated  that the  deaths  of                                                               
Alaskans from smoking costs the  state approximately $261 million                                                               
annually in lost productivity, and  according to the Alaska Youth                                                               
Survey, 12  percent of male youth  and 9 percent of  female youth                                                               
use  tobacco products.   He  explained  that the  use of  tobacco                                                               
products  becomes  more prevalent  the  higher  the grade  level,                                                               
starting around 6  percent in Ninth Grade, and  getting to around                                                               
16 percent  in Twelfth Grade.   He  stated that this  increase in                                                               
the  number of  youth  tobacco users,  between  the freshmen  and                                                               
senior years, highlights how access  to tobacco products leads to                                                               
tobacco use, and by raising the  legal age of tobacco use from 19                                                               
to 21, access would be further  removed.  He said that 89 percent                                                               
of  students who  smoke get  tobacco products  from a  peer.   He                                                               
summarized  that  it  is  important  to  match  Alaska's  smoking                                                               
statutes with  federal guidelines,  in order  to allow  state law                                                               
enforcement personnel to prevent  sales to underage consumers and                                                               
enforce [penalties for noncompliance].   He indicated that is the                                                               
intent of CSHB 174(CRA).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:33:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES remarked that she  has heard that there are                                                               
a  lot of  hours  wasted  by employees  who  smoke during  office                                                               
hours, and  she asked  Mr. Crocker  whether he  had any  idea how                                                               
much time is expended by working smokers.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:34:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROCKER  replied that he  did not have that  information, but                                                               
he believes it exists.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES remarked  that it does, and  said, "You can                                                               
watch it here."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  asked  Representative Knopp  whether  there                                                               
would  be  any  change  to  the penalties  or  only  to  the  age                                                               
eligibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:34:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP replied that  he appreciated the question as                                                               
it  was a  point he  wanted to  make.   He said  that his  office                                                               
looked  hard at  the penalty  to see  whether there  was anything                                                               
that  should be  changed, and  it was  determined that  it should                                                               
stay  the same.   He  explained that  the penalties  were adopted                                                               
over many years, by many  legislators and lawmakers; they seem to                                                               
be appropriate and are that to  which the public and industry are                                                               
accustomed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:35:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  remarked that she had  heard Mr. Crocker                                                               
say that  smoking costs the  state $261 million annually  in lost                                                               
productivity, but that  information appears to be  related to the                                                               
deaths of  Alaskans, whom  she said  she assumes  were productive                                                               
people prior to their deaths, "even  though they may have spent a                                                               
lot of time  leaving the building to smoke."   She commented that                                                               
the states and  the federal government coordinated  the age level                                                               
for liquor consumption 40 or 50  years ago in relation to highway                                                               
safety maintenance and  construction funds.  She said  that it is                                                               
about  time for  that change  with tobacco  and thanked  the bill                                                               
sponsor for bringing the proposed legislation forward.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:36:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked  whether the  proposed  legislation                                                               
would prevent  someone under the  age of 21 from  selling tobacco                                                               
as well.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:36:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP confirmed that was correct.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether there  would be any  kind of                                                               
grandfather clause, as  there are a lot of "kids  who are working                                                               
in, you  know, one-person  quick-stops and  so forth,  so they're                                                               
all going to get fired?"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP  answered no, they would  retain their jobs,                                                               
and just like the restaurant  business where wait staff can bring                                                               
water and food  but there needs to be someone  over the legal age                                                               
to bring alcoholic beverages, the  same would apply where tobacco                                                               
products are sold.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  remarked that sometimes there  is only one                                                               
person working at  these stores and asked how  these people would                                                               
be taken care of if they lose their jobs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KNOPP replied  that no one would  lose their jobs,                                                               
but during that  period there would be no tobacco  sales by under                                                               
aged individuals.   He said that  store owners are aware  of this                                                               
and would need to make provisions accordingly.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:37:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  remarked that  the proposed  legislation has                                                               
an effective date  of January 1, 2021, and he  asked whether this                                                               
was to  provide time  for public  education regarding  the change                                                               
under the proposed legislation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:37:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROCKER  answered that  this would allow  the public  time to                                                               
deal with the question raised  by Representative LeDoux and allow                                                               
for time to adjust to the change under the new statute.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:38:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opened public testimony on HB 174.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:38:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JON  BERRIER,   Senior  Director,  Public  Affairs,   Juul  Labs,                                                               
testified in  support of HB  174.  He  stated that Juul  Labs had                                                               
submitted written testimony  for the record in  strong support of                                                               
the  proposed  legislation  to   increase  the  minimum  age  for                                                               
purchase of  tobacco and vapor products  to 21, in line  with the                                                               
recent  federal  law  passed  by   Congress  and  signed  by  the                                                               
President  [hard copy  included  in the  committee  packet.]   He                                                               
reiterated Juul Labs' support for  HB 174 and urged the committee                                                               
and legislature  to pass a  clean "tobacco  21 bill."   He stated                                                               
that Juul  Labs is a  leading manufacturer of vaping  products as                                                               
an alternative to combustible cigarettes.   He said that progress                                                               
in reducing  youth use  of these products  will depend  on states                                                               
ensuring that underage sales are  halted, and for the new federal                                                               
law to work  appropriately, states should still  pass and enforce                                                               
laws to  ensure that  retailers sell  only to  those aged  21 and                                                               
over.   He  opined this  is  the right  policy to  pass, and,  as                                                               
incentive, reminded the  committee that states that  do not adopt                                                               
strategies to  enforce retailers selling to  underage individuals                                                               
risk losing  a portion of  their federal block grant  funding for                                                               
substance abuse.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BERRIER  stated  that  the   mission  at  Juul  Labs  is  to                                                               
transition  the  world's  one billion  adult  smokers  away  from                                                               
combustible  cigarettes,  and  it   pursues  this  mission  while                                                               
actively combatting underage  use of its products.   He said that                                                               
Juul Labs  believes that  raising the minimum  age is  a critical                                                               
step  in combatting  underage use  of  cigarettes, other  tobacco                                                               
products,  and vapor  products.   He pointed  out that  nearly 94                                                               
percent  of   smokers  started   before  the   age  of   21,  and                                                               
approximately 80 percent of underage  users access vapor products                                                               
through  social sourcing,  which  is attaining  vapor or  tobacco                                                               
products from legal age adults, usually  a friend or sibling.  He                                                               
stated that underage  use is antithetical to  Juul Labs' mission,                                                               
and it has taken definitive  actions in restricting it, including                                                               
voluntarily  discontinuing some  of its  flavored products  other                                                               
than  tobacco and  menthol, restricting  sales on  its e-commerce                                                               
platform  through industry  leading age  verification technology,                                                               
suspending  all advertising  and  promotion  of products  through                                                               
broadcast media,  print, and digital channels,  and instituting a                                                               
three-strikes  policy as  part of  its secret-shopper  program to                                                               
prohibit  retailers from  selling Juul  products for  at least  a                                                               
year if they incur three violations.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BERRIER summarized  that he thinks Juul Labs  shares a common                                                               
goal with  everyone that is  in the policy maker,  regulator, and                                                               
parent realm,  in that it  wants to  prevent the underage  use of                                                               
these  products;  therefore,  Juul Labs  respectfully  urges  the                                                               
committee and the  Alaska State Legislature to pass HB  174, as a                                                               
clean tobacco 21 bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:41:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEX MCDONALD testified in opposition to  HB 174.  He stated that                                                               
young  adults are  currently taking  a huge  hit in  Alaska.   He                                                               
explained that college  students were ordered out  of their dorms                                                               
without an option of  a place to live and no  word on refunds for                                                               
meal plans  or housing, and  he said that  a lot of  the students                                                               
will be  without jobs with  the restaurant closures;  he remarked                                                               
that he  had worked as  a cook through  college.  He  stated that                                                               
half of  the troops  currently in Iraq  are from  Fort Wainwright                                                               
and questioned  whether their stay  over there might  be extended                                                               
due to the new travel bans.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCDONALD expressed  that these young adults  are fighting for                                                               
this country,  and the legislature should  be hearing legislation                                                               
on how  to help them,  instead of restricting their  freedoms and                                                               
job opportunities  during this time.   He asked what  store would                                                               
hire a  20-year-old that could  not perform  all the duties  at a                                                               
gas station.   He expressed that there are "bigger  fish to fry,"                                                               
and  said that  Idaho had  just voted  down similar  legislation,                                                               
stating that  there are many  dangerous things in life,  with war                                                               
being one of  them.  He said  that it is not  questioned when 18-                                                               
to 20-year-olds are sent to  war and asked to maintain aircrafts,                                                               
machinery, and weapons.   He expressed that these  are adults who                                                               
should  be allowed  to make  adult choices.   He  asked that  the                                                               
legislature  please stay  focused  on the  issues that  currently                                                               
face the state, and he said  that the proposed legislation is not                                                               
a major issue.   He pointed out that people would  soon be out of                                                               
jobs,  tourism would  be taking  a hit,  and ConocoPhillips  just                                                               
announced curtailing  activities on  the North  Slope.   He added                                                               
that businesses are  facing uncertainty as to  whether they would                                                               
be  able to  open tomorrow,  and Alaskans  need reassurance  that                                                               
things  are going  to continue  as  normal.   He summarized  that                                                               
restricting peoples' freedoms in a  time like this was backwards,                                                               
and he said that people should be able to live their lives.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHAUN  D'SYLVA,  Business Owner,  Fat  Boy  Vapors, testified  in                                                               
support of  HB 174.   He  stated that he  has adult  vapor stores                                                               
located in Fairbanks,  Anchorage, and Wasilla.  He  said that the                                                               
federal age was changed recently,  and many states are working on                                                               
legislation to  move that forward.   He remarked that  as someone                                                               
who has been on the frontlines  of helping adults stop smoking by                                                               
using  vapor products,  he is  concerned about  youth access  and                                                               
said that many underage users  have been getting products through                                                               
social  circles, including  friends and  family of  legal age  to                                                               
purchase, which  in Alaska  is 19  years old.   He said  that his                                                               
business  is very  supportive of  switching  that age  to 21,  to                                                               
ensure that youth do not have  easy access and to not create more                                                               
of a  problem in  the future.   He expressed  that as  a business                                                               
owner  in  Alaska,  who  has many  customers  that  have  stopped                                                               
smoking, who had begun  prior to the age of 21,  some as young as                                                               
12 or  13 years old,  he thinks that  this would be  a tremendous                                                               
step in ensuring that there are  not underage users.  He strongly                                                               
encouraged passage of HB 174.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:46:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARGE STONEKING,  Executive Director, American  Lung Association,                                                               
testified in  support of  HB 174.   She  expressed thanks  to the                                                               
committee  for   continuing  to  serve  Alaskans   while  keeping                                                               
themselves and  the public safe through  public health practices.                                                               
She  stated that  Alaska is  facing a  current youth  e-cigarette                                                               
epidemic,  as is  the nation,  which was  identified by  the U.S.                                                               
Surgeon General and the U.S.  Food and Drug Administration (FDA).                                                               
She said that raising the minimum  age for tobacco products to 21                                                               
can  help save  lives and  [prevent] economic  damages caused  by                                                               
tobacco use  in Alaska.   She stated  that youths  are especially                                                               
vulnerable  to   the  impacts   of  vaping,   including  nicotine                                                               
addiction,  dangers  to  developing  lungs  by  inhaling  harmful                                                               
ultra-fine particles,  heavy metals  and chemicals,  and negative                                                               
brain  development impacts  of nicotine.   She  said that  HB 174                                                               
offers one  strategy to safeguard  lung health by  increasing the                                                               
state's  tobacco use  age.   She  stated that  the American  Lung                                                               
Association urges support of HB 174.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  STONEKING  stated  that when  President  Trump  signed  "the                                                               
spending bill" on  December 20, 2019, which  included raising the                                                               
legal age of  purchase of tobacco products nationwide  from 18 to                                                               
21, this  was a major  accomplishment for public health,  and the                                                               
American Lung  Association and its  other public  health partners                                                               
cheered  this on.    She said  that  at that  time,  the FDA  had                                                               
announced  that  "tobacco  21" took  effect  when  the  President                                                               
signed the  bill.  She  said there were no  exemptions, including                                                               
for military personnel  anywhere in the U.S. or  on tribal lands.                                                               
She stated  that enforcement  is handled  primarily at  the state                                                               
level, particularly in  Alaska.  She said that in  2013 state law                                                               
was strengthened  and Alaska has  maintained compliance  with the                                                               
requirement  that  keeps  it  in  compliance  for  mental  health                                                               
funding; in  fact, it  has exceeded the  requirement with  only 5                                                               
percent  of endorsement  license holders  not passing  compliance                                                               
checks.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. STONEKING  summarized that  the underage  enforcement program                                                               
works effectively, and the age needs  to be updated from 19 to 21                                                               
to reflect the new federal law.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:48:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND remarked  that she  was unclear  on what                                                               
the Synar Amendment is.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. STONEKING replied that the  Synar Amendment was named after a                                                               
former member of Congress, and  it is the mandate for maintaining                                                               
a certain  level of compliance  with federal checks, in  order to                                                               
maintain  critical  federal  mental health  and  substance  abuse                                                               
grant funds, as mentioned previously.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:49:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  NENON,  Alaska  Government  Relations  Director,  American                                                               
Cancer Society Cancer Action Network,  testified in support of HB
174.   She expressed  gratitude to Chair  Claman, members  of the                                                               
committee,  and   colleagues  and   staff  for   maintaining  and                                                               
continuing the  work of  the state  during some  very challenging                                                               
times.    She stated  that  the  American Cancer  Society  Cancer                                                               
Action Network supports the regulatory  update, in order to match                                                               
the federal regulation.  She expressed  that Alaska is proud of a                                                               
very  successful  compliance   check  program,  including  vendor                                                               
education.  She said that Joe  Darnell, who heads up that program                                                               
was  on  the  line  if  anyone wanted  more  details  about  that                                                               
program, and  she said that there  is a model program  across the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN, after  ascertaining that there was no  one else who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony on CSHB 174(CRA).                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:50:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:51 p.m. to 1:52 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  stated that while  off record a  brief conversation                                                               
took place  among the members of  the committee to see  if anyone                                                               
had any  amendments they were planning  to offer, and it  did not                                                               
appear that  there were  any.   He stated that  as chair,  he was                                                               
exercising  his authority  to waive  the second  hearing of  CSHB
174(CRA), and he invited committee comment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:52:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  remarked that this  is a society  in which                                                               
18- and  19-year-olds can  go to war,  get married  and divorced,                                                               
can  probably take  flying lessons  and skydive,  be part  of the                                                               
commercial  fishing industry  - which  she said  is probably  the                                                               
most  dangerous industry  in the  world  - join  circuses on  the                                                               
trapeze, horseback ride, and all  sorts of things.  She expressed                                                               
that the  idea that  the laws  need to change  to conform  to the                                                               
federal regulation, with which she  disagrees, while the state is                                                               
not concerned with having laws  in sync to the federal government                                                               
regarding marijuana,  is hard  for her to  understand.   She said                                                               
she  thinks much  of the  testimony  on CSHB  174(CRA) came  from                                                               
individuals who would  really like to say that there  should be a                                                               
law that no one can smoke at all,  whether they be 19 or 91.  She                                                               
remarked, "As  I say,  I can  count, so you're  going to  do what                                                               
you're going to do."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:54:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  commented  that  he  appreciated  the  bill                                                               
sponsor bringing the proposed legislation  forward and noted that                                                               
"this body  unanimously passed  a joint  resolution in  2018 with                                                               
the  Senate,  calling on  Congress  to  align federal  and  state                                                               
penalties,  with respect  to marijuana  use."   He  said that  he                                                               
thinks this gets  at what the bill sponsor was  driving at, which                                                               
is that  enforcement is a  real issue.   He said that  a licensed                                                               
premise,  selling both  cigarettes  and alcohol,  could run  into                                                               
issues in  the enforcement of  checking licenses  for individuals                                                               
buying products, when the minimum age  for alcohol is 21, and the                                                               
minimum age for cigarettes is  19.  Sometimes staff make mistakes                                                               
when  checking  identification  all day,  and  uniformity  always                                                               
makes enforcement easier.  He expressed that he thinks an under-                                                                
21 general standard would be a good policy.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    KOPP,   referencing    a   comment    made   by                                                               
Representative  LeDoux, stated  that he  was very  sympathetic to                                                               
impingement on freedoms,  but the one thing  different from other                                                               
risk-taking  activities   that  is  addressed  by   the  proposed                                                               
legislation,  is the  public  health  crisis surrounding  tobacco                                                               
use.   He  explained that  over  700 Alaskans  die annually  from                                                               
smoking related deaths, which costs  the state over $500 million.                                                               
He said  that the data points  in the statewide smoking  ban bill                                                               
from a  few years prior  sound accurate to  him.  He  stated that                                                               
there are many behaviors of risktakers  where the risk is only to                                                               
them;  however,  smoking  is a  behavior  that  affects  everyone                                                               
around them.  He expressed that  no right or freedom is absolute,                                                               
and  this is  a right  that directly  impinges on  other people's                                                               
quality  of health,  and in  light of  the current  public health                                                               
crisis, he said  that he sees the proposed legislation  as an on-                                                               
point public  health bill that  the industry  supports, including                                                               
the people  selling vapes.   He  said that  overall he  thinks it                                                               
would be a  good policy, and he thanked  Representative Knopp for                                                               
bringing it forward.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:57:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  reiterated that  she thinks it  is about                                                               
time the  state got coordinated,  as liquor laws were  brought to                                                               
the same  age limits across the  nation decades ago.   She stated                                                               
that tobacco and vaping products  contain highly addictive drugs,                                                               
as well as  highly damaging components, which she  said she knows                                                               
will  contribute to  illness  in  many people  as  "this wave  of                                                               
Coronavirus hits  us."   She opined that  the earlier  the public                                                               
health  can  be  protected,  by  keeping  children  from  getting                                                               
addicted until they  are older and can make  these decisions with                                                               
a clear head, the better off everyone will be.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:58:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  commented that she found  it refreshing to                                                               
see the  letter from Juul  Labs, which is  a provider of  some of                                                               
the  "smoking paraphernalia,"  support the  proposed legislation,                                                               
as usually the providers and  manufacturers are "screaming bloody                                                               
murder, don't  do it, don't  do it!"   She said that  this really                                                               
speaks volumes to  her, and she is delighted to  see support from                                                               
the industry for the proposed legislation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:59:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   commented  that   he  appreciated   the  question                                                               
Representative  LeDoux raised  regarding  alcohol.   He  remarked                                                               
that when  he was in  college in Texas  many years ago,  beer and                                                               
liquor could be purchased  at the age of 18, and  when he went to                                                               
college in  Colorado "3.2 beer,"  which was 3.2  percent alcohol,                                                               
could  be  purchased  at  18,  but anything  else  could  not  be                                                               
purchased until 21.  He expressed that  he grew up in a time when                                                               
alcohol could be accessed  at the age of 18, and  he said that he                                                               
had friends and  colleagues who joined the military,  and the age                                                               
was raised  and people  could go  to war  but not  drink alcohol,                                                               
which he  expressed he always  thought was absurd at  some level;                                                               
however, he  said that he also  saw some of the  reasons that the                                                               
public liked the  change.  He stated that he  sees tobacco in the                                                               
same  light as  alcohol,  in  that they  are  both public  health                                                               
problems.   He  said  that  he thinks  a  good civil  Libertarian                                                               
argument  could be  made  that the  age should  be  the same  for                                                               
alcohol  and tobacco  sales, but  that  the damage  done by  both                                                               
products  as a  result of  not  restricting access  can be  seen;                                                               
therefore, he  said that he  leans more willingly  towards making                                                               
the limits than he  did when he was 18 or 19.   He expressed that                                                               
a  critical part  of the  issue  is that  Alaska has  significant                                                               
substance abuse  issues in its  communities, and by  changing the                                                               
age, it could allow for  accesses to additional federal funds for                                                               
rehabilitation  and treatment,  and he  said that  he has  a hard                                                               
time  not taking  steps that  would  support that,  which is  the                                                               
biggest factor in his support for the proposed legislation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:01:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  moved  to   report  CSHB  174(CRA)  out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection, CSHB  174(CRA)  was                                                               
reported from the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:02 p.m. to 2:05 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          HB 287-VILLAGE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER GRANTS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 287, "An Act  requiring background investigations                                                               
of village public safety officer  applicants by the Department of                                                               
Public  Safety; relating  to the  village  public safety  officer                                                               
program;  and providing  for  an effective  date."   [Before  the                                                               
committee was CSHB 287(TRB).]                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:05:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked  whether   this  was  the  proposed                                                               
legislation  which  would  be  "80  percent  for  government,  20                                                               
percent for the PFD," or whether that was a different bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN clarified  that this  is  the proposed  legislation                                                               
pertaining to  the Village Public Safety  Officer (VPSO) program.                                                               
He remarked  that the proposed legislation  Representative LeDoux                                                               
was referring  to had not passed  out of the House  State Affairs                                                               
Standing Committee and was not before the committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:07:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN remarked that the  Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                               
had  expressed  some  concerns   with  the  proposed  legislation                                                               
regarding  felonies,  and  if  those  were  addressed,  then  the                                                               
department would not have objections  to CSHB 287(TRB).  He asked                                                               
the bill  sponsor for more  information pertaining to  the felony                                                               
backgrounds and  asked whether there  was a fix for  the proposed                                                               
legislation that  has the  support of  DPS.   He then  noted that                                                               
there was a representative from DPS who could answer questions.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:08:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP,  as prime sponsor  of HB 287,  answered that                                                               
the  question came  up about  whether  there should  be the  same                                                               
qualification  standard eligibility  to serve  as a  VPSO as  any                                                               
other  law enforcement  job class,  which  currently requires  no                                                               
felonies.    He  said  that originally,  when  the  language  was                                                               
adopted, it came  out of a recognition that in  many of the rural                                                               
areas  with  the  highest incidents  of  violence,  assault,  and                                                               
substance abuse  in the state,  there are some  outstanding young                                                               
men and  women who did not  come out unscathed, but  who have the                                                               
trust of  their villages and  communities.   He said that  it was                                                               
asked whether  there should be  a standard that if  an individual                                                               
has no  prior sex  offense or  crime-against-a-person convictions                                                               
but had  a drug  or alcohol  possession felony  that was  over 10                                                               
years old,  should there be a  lifetime ban?  He  said that there                                                               
was  good discussion  around the  issue, and  the result  was the                                                               
determination that  it is difficult to  have different background                                                               
qualifiers   for   different   job   classes,   and   much   like                                                               
standardizing the age  of 21 as seen in  previous legislation, it                                                               
would  be easier  if there  was a  standard of  no felonies.   He                                                               
expressed that  this would  hit some people  harshly, as  not all                                                               
felonies are the same; for example,  he said that first time drug                                                               
possession convictions  are now  misdemeanors but would  still be                                                               
disqualifiers.   He said  that after  talking with  the grantees,                                                               
they feel comfortable leaving it as  a no felony standard, and he                                                               
said that he is amenable to that.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:10:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN remarked  that the existing version  of the proposed                                                               
legislation    allows   for    some   felonies    under   certain                                                               
circumstances,  and   he  asked  whether   Representative  Kopp's                                                               
suggestion was that the proposed  legislation would be amended to                                                               
make  it  so  that  the  only prior  convictions  that  would  be                                                               
permitted for employment would be misdemeanors.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP answered that is correct.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   asked  Captain  Merrill  what   the  department's                                                               
perspective  was  on  working  an  amendment  into  the  proposed                                                               
legislation  so that  the only  crimes an  individual could  have                                                               
convictions  for  and  still  get   hired  as  a  VPSO  would  be                                                               
misdemeanor crimes, and all felonies would be barriers.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:11:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW  MERRILL,  Captain,  Division of  Alaska  State  Troopers,                                                               
Department  of Public  Safety, responded  that this  change would                                                               
reinclude the current language in  the VPSO regulations of felony                                                               
convictions  being disqualifiers,  and  he said  that this  would                                                               
absolutely  be a  step in  the right  direction, which  DPS would                                                               
support.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked what  should be done  to address  someone who                                                               
has  a felony  conviction  over  10 years  old  that  would be  a                                                               
misdemeanor conviction  under current  laws.   As an  example, he                                                               
remarked  that someone  could have  a 15-year  old possession  of                                                               
cocaine conviction,  which would  be a misdemeanor  under current                                                               
law.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN MERILL answered that under  current regulation that would                                                               
be a disqualifier  and that individual would not  be eligible for                                                               
hire, regardless  of when  the conviction took  place.   He added                                                               
that if  someone is  convicted of  a felony  at any  time, he/she                                                               
would not be eligible.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked both Captain Merrill  and Representative Kopp                                                               
whether there  was a  reason to  try to  make provisions  for old                                                               
felonies that would  be misdemeanors under current  law, [for the                                                               
sake of] employment eligibility.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN MERRILL  replied that he is  not a lawyer and  might need                                                               
to ask "law" to weigh in, but on  his side of the issue he thinks                                                               
the  simplest  thing  for  consistency would  be  that  a  felony                                                               
conviction at any time would be a disqualifier.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:13:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP   answered  that  he  agrees   with  Captain                                                               
Merrill, and  that conduct  that was considered  a felony  at the                                                               
time  it  was done  should  be  viewed  as  a disqualifier.    He                                                               
expressed that this is a delicate  issue on which he has listened                                                               
to the perspective  of DPS and the grantees, and  they would like                                                               
to have the regulation maintained as a no-felony status.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN MERRILL  remarked that  he had not  answered the  part of                                                               
Chair  Claman's question  pertaining  to misdemeanors.   He  said                                                               
that  removing  the felonies  was  important,  but that  domestic                                                               
violence   misdemeanor  convictions   should  be   maintained  as                                                               
disqualifiers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:14:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 2:14 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:14:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  stated that  he recognizes that  the current                                                               
DPS  regulation  is  no domestic  violence  assault  misdemeanors                                                               
within 10 years, and the  proposed legislation is consistent with                                                               
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:15:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  whether  Captain  Merrill or  Representative                                                               
Kopp could  identify other  issues that  the state  troopers have                                                               
with the proposed legislation that  there has been some effort to                                                               
resolve over  the last few days.   He remarked that  he is trying                                                               
to take  the committee  down the  path of what  is being  done to                                                               
address  concerns  and  determine  whether  these  changes  would                                                               
satisfy the troopers.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP answered that they  may not ever get everyone                                                               
satisfied but were doing the best  they could to bring out a good                                                               
piece of  legislation.  He  stated that other concerns  were that                                                               
the language that  sets the standard for good  moral character as                                                               
a minimum  qualification for VPSOs  and probation  officers, also                                                               
be applied  to every job class  of police officer, as  this class                                                               
is   given  law   enforcement   duties.     He   stated  that   a                                                               
recommendation from  the Department of  Law (DOL), which  he said                                                               
that  he  agrees with  completely,  is  to insert  language  that                                                               
refers to a person being of  good moral character and someone who                                                               
has  not been  convicted of  a  crime of  moral turpitude,  which                                                               
includes bribery, deception, and fraud.   He stated that in light                                                               
of this recommendation, his office  had worked on a proposal that                                                               
it would bring before the committee at the right time.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:17:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  Representative  Kopp whether  he  has had  a                                                               
chance to  speak with  Captain Merrill or  others from  DPS about                                                               
the moral character language as described.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:18:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP answered  that the only person  he had spoken                                                               
with was Mr.  Skidmore at DOL, and he had  not spoken with anyone                                                               
at DPS about this.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:18:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN   MERRILL   remarked   that   this   was   one   of   the                                                               
recommendations DPS  had made,  and he  said that  it appreciates                                                               
that the bill  sponsor is considering amendments  that DPS thinks                                                               
are very  important to include  in the proposed legislation.   He                                                               
stated that domestic  violence is very complex  because there are                                                               
domestic violence convictions  allowed under current regulations,                                                               
which  was brought  up  as  part of  a  discussion  among the  10                                                               
grantees and DPS  over the last couple of  years regarding hiring                                                               
applicants  with prior  domestic violence  convictions.   He said                                                               
that DPS has  noticed over the past couple of  years that none of                                                               
the grantees have  hired any applicants with  a domestic violence                                                               
conviction, because  of challenges  it creates in  application in                                                               
the field.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN MERRILL  explained that it  is like what he  discussed at                                                               
the  previous  meeting  regarding   felonies  and  possession  of                                                               
firearms.   He said  that there are  certain classes  of domestic                                                               
violence  convictions   that  are  permanent   disqualifiers  for                                                               
someone to possess  a firearm or ammunition.  He  stated that the                                                               
challenge comes from  having to look closely at how  a person was                                                               
convicted and  what they were  convicted of;  was it a  person in                                                               
the household or a direct family  member?  He said that while the                                                               
state has  classifications for  domestic violence  convictions up                                                               
to  the fourth  degree  of consanguinity,  the challenge  becomes                                                               
that some  of those  are not permanent  disqualifiers, and  it is                                                               
difficult  to  separate  those.    He  said  that  while  current                                                               
regulation  allows  this, DPS  has  had  concerns over  the  last                                                               
several years  for that allowance,  because if VPSOs  move toward                                                               
being fully capable  of carrying firearms, or  if VPSOs convicted                                                               
of  a disqualifier  are sent  to the  academy and  participate in                                                               
firearms training, then they could be violating federal law.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN MERRILL said  that Kathryn Monfreda might be  on the line                                                               
to offer  more information on the  topic, and he said  that there                                                               
are some prohibitors  that DPS would like  to continue discussion                                                               
on to  ensure people,  who might have  those prohibitors  are not                                                               
being put  into a weird situation.   He expressed that  he is not                                                               
certain  that a  blanket  domestic violence  disqualifier is  the                                                               
right answer,  but that is something  that needs to be  looked at                                                               
more closely.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:20:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN remarked  that what he was hearing is  that there is                                                               
a  regulation that  suggests that  after 10  years an  individual                                                               
could still  get hired, but  in the field  in practice no  one is                                                               
getting hired,  in part  because of  the difficulty  which arises                                                               
that some  domestic violence convictions  create a  permanent ban                                                               
on weapons possession,  which makes it nearly  impossible to hire                                                               
someone  because  it is  almost  guaranteed  that there  will  be                                                               
situations in  which a VPSO  would need  to take possession  of a                                                               
weapon in the course of his/her  work.  He asked Kathryn Monfreda                                                               
whether she  could offer more  insight into the  issues regarding                                                               
domestic violence  convictions and how  easy it is to  navigate a                                                               
10-year period for eligibility.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:21:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHRYN  MONFREDA,  Director,   Division  of  Statewide  Support,                                                               
Department of Public  Safety, answered that there has  been a lot                                                               
of  case law  in  recent years  regarding  misdemeanor crimes  of                                                               
domestic violence,  and an early  U.S. Supreme Court  decision in                                                               
2006  led to  the conclusion  that none  of Alaska's  misdemeanor                                                               
crimes  of domestic  violence fit  the federal  prohibitor.   She                                                               
said that  a couple of years  ago that ruling was  overturned and                                                               
the U.S.  Supreme Court ruled differently,  determining that some                                                               
misdemeanor  crimes  of  domestic   violence,  depending  on  the                                                               
relationship between the  offender and the victim  and the degree                                                               
of force used,  could be misdemeanor crimes  of domestic violence                                                               
that are  prohibitors under  federal law.   She  said that  it is                                                               
probable that  the VPSO  regulations were  written under  the old                                                               
U.S. Supreme Court rulings, which is  why it could be put in that                                                               
after a  certain period  of time  had lapsed  someone could  be a                                                               
VPSO, but  under current law  and the U.S. Supreme  Court ruling,                                                               
there is no  relief from that prohibitor if  barred under federal                                                               
law.   She remarked that she  checked with the Federal  Bureau of                                                               
Investigation  (FBI) National  Instant Criminal  Background Check                                                               
System  (NICS),  which  is  the  expert  on  the  topic,  and  it                                                               
confirmed  that  there  is  no   way  to  get  relief  from  that                                                               
disability, regardless of time.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:23:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KOPP  asked   whether   the  domestic   violence                                                               
prohibitor was in respect to carrying  a firearm in the course of                                                               
duty, which  he said he thinks  it is, and asked  whether it also                                                               
plays  into  the  Criminal Justice  Information  Services  (CJIS)                                                               
access or was not an issue with domestic violence.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MONFREDA answered that the  prohibitor would deny CJIS access                                                               
for a misdemeanor crime of  domestic violence, but a waiver could                                                               
be requested  of that  denial by  providing the  circumstances of                                                               
why the  conviction should not  be considered a prohibitor.   She                                                               
added  that  this  does  not impact  the  federal  possession  or                                                               
transfer of firearms and ammunition.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:24:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked whether an  individual, even if  he/she could                                                               
have access to the CJIS database,  could not take possession of a                                                               
firearm during  his/her duties and  take it from  someone's house                                                               
back to the VPSO station.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MONFREDA answered that that is correct.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP remarked  that this  is an  issue, like  the                                                               
felonies,  in which  he wants  to find  the path  that suits  the                                                               
public safety process  the best.  He said that  Michael Nemeth, a                                                               
VPSO  coordinator with  a lot  of  experience in  this area,  was                                                               
online.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:25:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  Mr. Nemeth whether he had  been following the                                                               
current  discussion   regarding  misdemeanor   domestic  violence                                                               
convictions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:25:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  NEMETH,  VPSO  Program  Coordinator,  Aleutian  Pribilof                                                               
Islands  Association, answered  that  he had  been following  the                                                               
current discussion.  He remarked  that Ms. Monfreda had commented                                                               
earlier on  the domestic violence  prohibitor, and the  fact that                                                               
there are portions  depending upon family member  and severity of                                                               
the  domestic violence  conviction  that would  not be  addressed                                                               
under the federal  provision.  He said this could  be a situation                                                               
where two  college roommates get into  a "bit of a  scuffle," one                                                               
is arrested  and convicted,  and 15  years has  passed.   He said                                                               
this conviction might not be  covered under the federal provision                                                               
that would  prohibit the  possession or receipt  of a  firearm or                                                               
ammunition.   He  asked  Ms. Monfreda  for  clarification on  the                                                               
topic.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:27:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  Ms.  Monfreda whether  she  could draw  some                                                               
distinction  between  the  relationships that  create  a  federal                                                               
barrier and  the relationships that  do not, under which  the 10-                                                               
year provision would not make any difference.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:27:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MONFREDA answered that the  federal requirement is that there                                                               
must  be   an  intimate  relationship  between   the  victim  and                                                               
offender,  so  Mr. Nemeth  was  right;  if  it was  two  [college                                                               
roommates] that got into a fight,  then it would not be a federal                                                               
prohibitor.   She  explained that  there  is a  list of  specific                                                               
relationship  requirements  for  prohibitors under  federal  law,                                                               
which includes an  intimate partner, spouse, and  stepparent of a                                                               
child who is neglected or abused.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN commented that he  thinks the point Ms. Monfreda was                                                               
making  is  that there  are  four  or  five categories  that  are                                                               
prohibited and  several other categories  that are not,  but when                                                               
trying to  decide whether the  ban is a  lifetime ban, it  can be                                                               
complicated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MONFREDA  confirmed   that  was  correct.     She  said  the                                                               
relationship  of  the  victim  and   the  offender  needs  to  be                                                               
determined under federal law, not  state law.  She explained that                                                               
state law is much broader as far as domestic relationships go.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  Mr. Nemeth whether he had  been hiring anyone                                                               
with  domestic  violence  convictions  at  all,  or  whether  the                                                               
confusion and  challenges had put  up a barrier  that effectively                                                               
stops hiring anyone with domestic violence convictions.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:28:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NEMETH answered that  in the 18 years he has  been a VPSO for                                                               
his organization, and  the 8 years as a VPSO  coordinator, he has                                                               
not  hired someone  with a  domestic violence  conviction of  any                                                               
kind.  He  said that this has not affected  his organization, but                                                               
he sees how  a domestic violence conviction that did  not fit the                                                               
federal  guideline, like  two brothers  or  two roommates,  could                                                               
affect the ability  for an organization to hire  someone down the                                                               
road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  Representative Kopp what other  issues he was                                                               
seeking   to  address,   in  terms   of  amending   the  proposed                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:29:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP answered that there  were a few more items he                                                               
wanted to  address.   He stated  that in  CSHB 287(TRB),  page 6,                                                               
there is  reference to federally  recognized tribes, and  he said                                                               
that the  reason for that is  that this is what  all the grantees                                                               
are.    He commented  that  the  grantees have  formed  nonprofit                                                               
entities to  partner with the  state in delivering  public safety                                                               
services.    He said  that  there  are 229  federally  recognized                                                               
tribes and only 10 grantees, and  it was found that this language                                                               
had  the  unintended result  of  raising  the concern  among  the                                                               
grantees as  to whether they  had the  money for 229  entities to                                                               
form partnerships with the state VPSOs,  and the fact is that the                                                               
entities that want to deliver  public safety this way are already                                                               
doing so.   He stated that it  was not the intention  to open the                                                               
program up to  all 229 potential applicants, but to  have the ten                                                               
tribes  that  do  partner  with  the  state  stay  healthy.    He                                                               
expressed  that  there  are  limited  funds as  it  is,  and  the                                                               
recommendation  is to  delete that  reference  from the  proposed                                                               
legislation  to make  it  clear  that the  program  is not  being                                                               
opened to all  229 tribes.  He  said that if a  new entity wanted                                                               
to partner  with the program,  it would not be  disqualified from                                                               
doing so.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  whether Representative  Kopp  also wants  to                                                               
remove  the  reference to    "federally  recognized tribes"  that                                                               
occurs [in Section 3, subsection (b)], on page 4, [lines 5-6].                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP confirmed that is correct.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked Captain Merrill  or Ms. Monfreda whether those                                                               
changes to page 4 would resolve  one of the concerns that DPS has                                                               
raised.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:31:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN MERRILL answered  that from his perspective,  there is no                                                               
specific  issue with  the addition  of  the federally  recognized                                                               
tribe language; however,  he did note that it would  make all the                                                               
tribes eligible.   He stated that in his  experience in operating                                                               
the  VPSO  program   since  2014,  he  has   been  approached  by                                                               
individual tribes  that were interested in  operating the program                                                               
that were not  eligible because they were  not nonprofit, because                                                               
they were not  happy with the interaction  between their villages                                                               
or tribes and the nonprofits for  their regions.  He said that he                                                               
does  not know  that  DPS  has any  concerns  with that  specific                                                               
language  being   included,  or   excluded,  from   the  proposed                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  Representative Kopp what other  issues he had                                                               
looked at in terms of potential amendments.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:32:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP answered  that there  were two  other issues                                                               
that  he had  not yet  addressed, which  deal with  standardizing                                                               
regulations pertaining to the possession  of drugs.  He said that                                                               
the standard for police officers,  VPSOs, probation officers, and                                                               
parole  officers  is that  an  individual  cannot have  possessed                                                               
illegal drugs within ten years,  unless that individual was under                                                               
the age  of 21.   He said that  a drafting oversight  resulted in                                                               
the  portion  that  specifies  unless someone  is  under  21  not                                                               
appearing  in  the  proposed legislation,  which  would  make  it                                                               
stricter  than the  regulations for  the other  job classes.   In                                                               
response to  a follow up question,  he confirmed that this  was a                                                               
change he wanted to make through an amendment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  Captain Merrill  whether the  troopers would                                                               
have any problem with that change.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:33:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  MERRILL  answered that  the  more  closely the  proposed                                                               
legislation  resembles the  standards for  other police  officers                                                               
based on the  language used in previous hearings,  which said the                                                               
VPSOs should have  more authority and more  of a breadth-of-scope                                                               
of work,  the better.   He  added that the  troopers think  it is                                                               
appropriate that  it mirror very  closely what is  required under                                                               
the Alaska Police Standards Council (APSC) standards.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:34:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether there would  be "competitive                                                               
bidding" if a  tribe wanted to get involved in  the program.  She                                                               
asked whether that  was something done currently  and whether the                                                               
federally  recognized  tribe  language  being  removed  from  the                                                               
proposed legislation  would allow  for competitive bidding.   She                                                               
remarked she  knows that some of  the entities charge a  lot more                                                               
than  other   entities  when  it   comes  to   overhead  charges;                                                               
therefore, competition would not necessarily be a bad thing.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:35:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  replied that there  were a couple  of things                                                               
touched on by Representative LeDoux  that he wanted to address to                                                               
give  context.    In  terms   of  competitiveness,  he  said  the                                                               
legislature  funds a  finite  line  item in  the  DPS budget  for                                                               
approximately $11  million, approximately  $2.5 million  of which                                                               
goes  to administering  the program.   He  remarked that  what is                                                               
left  goes between  the ten  grantees who  develop their  budgets                                                               
based on their  differing needs.  He explained that  the money is                                                               
apportioned  based  on  need.    He expressed  that  one  of  the                                                               
challenges for  the current system  is a lack of  transparency in                                                               
how these decisions are made; the  grantees feel like there is no                                                               
objective standard  as to  why a fellow  grantee "got  this much,                                                               
and we got  this much, and we don't know  how those decisions are                                                               
made."  He  said that this was  one of the things  that drove the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP, regarding  whether someone  new wanting  to                                                               
get into the  program could get in,  said the answer is  yes.  As                                                               
of now they  would have to form a nonprofit  and partner with the                                                               
state.    He  said,  "If  the complaint  is  'I  don't  like  the                                                               
nonprofit  I was  thinking  of partnering  with  or a  particular                                                               
tribe,' well these ... are  all the entities that are necessarily                                                               
the partners,  so it may  not work out for  that area."   He said                                                               
that  not having  the three  words  "federally recognized  tribe"                                                               
would not  stop any tribe  that wants  to partner with  the state                                                               
from putting together a nonprofit vehicle to do so.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked  why they would have  to put together                                                               
a nonprofit vehicle.   She remarked that  Representative Kopp had                                                               
spoken eloquently on  the House floor recently about  the need to                                                               
recognize  tribes,  and   she  said  that  she   voted  for  that                                                               
legislation partially based  on what he had expressed.   She said                                                               
that  the proposed  legislation  is now  saying  that "you  don't                                                               
necessarily want to  deal with tribes, but we need  to go through                                                               
the nonprofits."  She expressed that she was confused by this.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  expressed appreciation  for  Representative                                                               
LeDoux's kind words and support  on that legislation, and he said                                                               
that he  thinks Mr.  Nemeth, who  runs a  VPSO program,  would be                                                               
well able to explain this topic.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:37:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked whether there  was legislation heard just this                                                               
year that addressed  the fact that Tlingit &  Haida Indian Tribes                                                               
("Tlingit & Haida") have a  slightly different qualification, and                                                               
he asked  whether this legislation  had passed through  the House                                                               
and the Senate already.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP answered that that  is correct, and it is law                                                               
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked for  a "refresher" on  what was  done earlier                                                               
with legislation,  specifically with  the VPSO program  and those                                                               
eligible to  be grantees.   He remarked  that it seemed  like the                                                               
class had been expanded by one,  but he said that he recalls some                                                               
testimony  that  there   "was  only  ten  and  no   one  else  is                                                               
interested, or something to that effect."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:38:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN  TRUITT,  Staff,  Representative  Chuck  Kopp,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of Representative Kopp,  prime sponsor of                                                               
HB 287,  stated that the  legislation Chair Claman  was referring                                                               
to was passed  in the last session  and is current law.   He said                                                               
that  it added  into statute  and is  included in  HB 287,  under                                                               
subsection (b)  of the  reenacted AS  18.65.670, on  page 4.   He                                                               
explained  that   it  is  the   same  section  of   the  proposed                                                               
legislation that was  previously cited in regard  to removing the                                                               
language "federally recognized tribes."   He said that the passed                                                               
legislation  added   into  statute  the  phrase   "Alaska  Native                                                               
organizations", which has a definition  under a different part of                                                               
the Alaska statutes, in which Tlingit  & Haida is referenced.  He                                                               
remarked   that  the   definition  of   what  an   Alaska  Native                                                               
organization is, is tightly crafted  somewhere else in the Alaska                                                               
statutes,  and this  is  what allowed  Tlingit &  Haida  to be  a                                                               
program  operator  as a  tribe  under  the phrase  Alaska  Native                                                               
organizations.  He expressed he  thinks that as the bill drafters                                                               
made this change, federally recognized  tribes were not added in,                                                               
precisely because of  the dynamic that it  could potentially open                                                               
the VPSO program to all 229  entities, and they were not prepared                                                               
for  that.    He  said he  thinks  that  Representative  Jonathan                                                               
Kreiss-Tomkins was the bill sponsor.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:40:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX   remarked  that   Representative  Kreiss-                                                               
Tomkins' legislation managed  to make an exception  for Tlingit &                                                               
Haida to continue  to operate, even though it is  not a nonprofit                                                               
corporation.  She  expressed that she has a hard  time seeing why                                                               
there  shouldn't be  an  amendment allowing  for  any tribe  that                                                               
wants to  apply to operate  a VPSO program to  be able to,  if it                                                               
feels it could do a better  job than that being done currently by                                                               
another  organization.    She  said   that  she  has  represented                                                               
villages in  the past, and  sometimes tribal entities  think they                                                               
could do a better job than  a regional association.  She remarked                                                               
that this  may or may  not be the case,  and she asked,  "Why not                                                               
let it be open and let the chips fall where they may?"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:41:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP answered that  there are short-term and long-                                                               
term goals,  and the proposed  legislation is a  "near-term view"                                                               
of allowing  the VPSO  program to  grow under  control.   He said                                                               
that another  near-term goal, over  the next couple of  years, is                                                               
to move  the VPSO program under  APSC, but under HB  287 it would                                                               
remain under  DPS regulation  as it is  currently.   He expressed                                                               
that this was mainly because  these are significant policy lifts,                                                               
and he said  that the VPSO work group focused  on issues that had                                                               
"the most  immediacy, to achieve  the most good in  a legislative                                                               
session that is now overrun  with Coronavirus."  He remarked that                                                               
time was short,  and Representative LeDoux had brought  up a good                                                               
policy discussion.   He  expressed that long  term, that  was the                                                               
direction that the work group wanted  things to go.  He said that                                                               
the  grantees who  the proposed  legislation was  for, for  rural                                                               
public safety  in rural Alaska,  are uncomfortable  with "opening                                                               
it  wide open  at  this  time," as  the  money  available to  the                                                               
program would  not be  increased, aside  from another  $1 million                                                               
that was appropriated, if it  "survives."  He reiterated that one                                                               
of  the grantees  should  be  allowed to  comment  on the  topic,                                                               
because it is just a policy call.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:43:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NEMETH explained  that his  organization, Aleutian  Pribilof                                                               
Islands  Association,  represents  13   tribes  in  the  Aleutian                                                               
Pribilof Islands Region.   He explained that a  board member from                                                               
each of those tribes sits  on his organization's board, and there                                                               
is a resolution  through the board which  allows his organization                                                               
to manage the VPSO program for  his region.  He expressed that he                                                               
is  not certain  how other  organizations work  but said  that he                                                               
thinks they  also have board  members representing  their tribes,                                                               
or the tribe members at least  have access to the board and could                                                               
bring  concerns if  they were  not happy  with the  management of                                                               
their  programs.    He  said   that  there  is  one  organization                                                               
representing  13 tribes,  with 6  VPSOs within  those 13  tribes,                                                               
because  3 of  the larger  communities have  their own  municipal                                                               
police departments.   He  remarked that  another 20  tribes being                                                               
allowed to  apply on their  own and  receive funds would  make it                                                               
much more different to manage the  program as 30 grantees than as                                                               
10 grantees.   He commented that he thinks  Captain Merrill could                                                               
speak to  his, as he  has worked so  closely with the  10 grantee                                                               
organizations over  approximately the past  five years.   He said                                                               
that  it seems  to  him like  it would  be  almost an  impossible                                                               
barrier to overcome, with that number of grantees.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:45:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  remarked that  she agreed with  Mr. Nemeth                                                               
that it  would be  impossible to  change from  one grantee  to an                                                               
additional  10 or  15 grantees.    She remarked  that perhaps  it                                                               
could  be structured  so that  there is  a grant  for running  an                                                               
entire program in  a specific region; as an  example, she pointed                                                               
out the  Aleutian Pribilof  area.   She said  that a  tribe might                                                               
think it  could run a  VPSO program  better and cheaper,  and the                                                               
grantor would need to analyze  the situation to determine if this                                                               
might   be  the   case.     She  stated   that  when   she  heard                                                               
Representative  Kopp say  that  the  grantees feel  uncomfortable                                                               
holding it open to anyone else,  she thinks that it is similar to                                                               
a business, such  as a bar, being uncomfortable  with having more                                                               
licenses, but this does not  necessarily mean that other licenses                                                               
could not be a good thing.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:47:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  reiterated  that there  are  near-term  and                                                               
long-term goals, and the work group  is looking at the best near-                                                               
term approach that  the grantees have identified  would allow for                                                               
the  program  to grow  in  a  healthy  way.   He  expressed  that                                                               
Representative LeDoux was identifying a  future that he thinks is                                                               
possible,  but he  reminded her  that  each grantee  acts like  a                                                               
local  public  safety  department,  and he  reiterated  that  the                                                               
tribes are represented on those boards.   He pointed out that his                                                               
staff,  Mr. Truitt,  was a  former VPSO  coordinator when  he was                                                               
general  counsel  to Tlingit  &  Haida  and  ran the  program  in                                                               
Southeast  Alaska.   He explained  that Tlingit  & Haida's  board                                                               
works the same  way as Mr. Nemeth had explained  his board works;                                                               
tribes   are  represented   on  the   boards.     He  said   that                                                               
Representative  LeDoux's   suggestion  was  like  asking   why  a                                                               
competitive  bid  wouldn't  that  be allowed  for  the  Anchorage                                                               
Police  Department, and  he  explained it  would  not be  allowed                                                               
because it is  a municipality police department.   He stated that                                                               
the  tribes have  long-standing public  safety partnerships  that                                                               
have gone on for  decades; it is not like there  are a few people                                                               
waiting  in  the  wings  to  bid  and  provide  a  service.    He                                                               
summarized that  a future  where more doors  are opened  could be                                                               
theorized, but  the reality  is that the  VPSO program  is stable                                                               
and is structured  like local public safety, and he  said that is                                                               
the best way he could explain it.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:48:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN remarked  that he thinks there are two  sides to the                                                               
question:  one side is that if  the goal were to make the program                                                               
more  competitive, then  those  changes should  be  put in  place                                                               
under  statute now;  and  the other  side is  that  there is  not                                                               
really a worry,  as there have been a limited  number of entities                                                               
applying for  the program over the  years.  He expressed  that it                                                               
seems unlikely  that someone would  apply for the program  in the                                                               
near-term,  even if  the proposed  legislation were  to open  the                                                               
program to  more entities.  He  said that he would  expect to see                                                               
the  same program  operators coming  back, as  getting dialed  up                                                               
with the  level of  resources needed  to run  a program  would be                                                               
problematic.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:50:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX remarked that she  would agree that she did                                                               
not envision many  people applying for the  program; however, she                                                               
said  the   program  has  so  many   problems  with  recruitment,                                                               
retention,  and  most everything  else,  that  it  is not  as  if                                                               
nothing needs to  be changed and everything is going  great.  She                                                               
commented that another entity may,  however unlikely, have a good                                                               
idea, and she asked, "Why would you want to preclude it?"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:51:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  replied that  the question has  already been                                                               
asked   and   answered,  and   he   expressed   that  he   thinks                                                               
Representative LeDoux is speaking to  a future that is desirable.                                                               
He  commented  that when  opening  the  door without  giving  the                                                               
grantees an  adequate understanding of what  that might currently                                                               
look like, the caution received  was that the grantees appreciate                                                               
the  direction  the  VPSO  work  group wanted  to  go,  but  that                                                               
currently they  do not know  what that  might look like  and need                                                               
time to process it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:51:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN noted  that his sense from DPS was  that it does not                                                               
have a  strong position  as to  whether the  language, "federally                                                               
recognized tribes", should remain in the proposed legislation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN noted  for the committee that this  discussion was a                                                               
lot of  background that  would help  when getting  to amendments.                                                               
He remarked  that it might  seem as if  this was a  more detailed                                                               
work-through  on  the proposed  legislation  than  might be  seen                                                               
usually in  this committee but said  that he thinks this  is part                                                               
of an effort  to move HB 287  forward with some of  the limits in                                                               
time.    He  remarked  that  Representative  Kopp  had  commented                                                               
briefly on a  conviction issue, and asked what  other issues were                                                               
on Representative Kopp's list.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:52:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  replied, "That  just about  covers it."   He                                                               
said DOL had asked for clarity  that the intent is to allow VPSOs                                                               
to cover multiple villages, and he confirmed that is the intent.                                                                
He pointed out one section  of the proposed legislation, under AS                                                               
18.65.670(e) and  (f), which  seemed to require  a VPSO  for each                                                               
village under  (e), while  (f) said a  VPSO could  cover multiple                                                               
villages.   He said [the  working group] was looking  at language                                                               
to clarify that while villages do  partner with the state in this                                                               
program, it is not the intent  of the proposed legislation that a                                                               
VPSO  would  not  be  allowed  to  go  out  of  a  village  to  a                                                               
neighboring village, if that is where the need is.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:53:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  remarked that he  knew Representative Kopp  had met                                                               
with  DOL, and  he  requested that  Representative Kopp's  office                                                               
also communicate directly with Captain  Merrill to share proposed                                                               
amendments.   He  said that  while he  acknowledges that  at some                                                               
level the  DOL should be speaking  on behalf of the  troopers, he                                                               
recognizes that it can be helpful  to have the perspective of the                                                               
troopers.   He shared  that he  had been  working on  a different                                                               
bill, and the DOL criminal  division seemed content, but a couple                                                               
of police  departments had  some questions, and  so he  had asked                                                               
that  they coordinate  with Captain  Merrill, so  Captain Merrill                                                               
had an opportunity to review proposed amendments.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:54:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that CSHB  287(TRB) would be held over for                                                               
further review.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:56 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Alaska Police Standards Council Appointment - Ed Mercer Application 3.18.2020.pdf HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
Alaska Police Standards Council Appointment - Daniel Weatherly Application 3.18.2020.pdf HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
Alaska Police Standards Council Appointment - Joseph White Resume 3.18.2020.pdf HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
Alaska Police Standards Council Appointment - Jennifer Winkelman Resume 3.18.2020.pdf HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287 v. O 3.11.2020.PDF HJUD 3/11/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 Sponsor Statement v. K 3.3.2020.pdf HJUD 3/11/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HTRB 3/3/2020 8:00:00 AM
HTRB 3/5/2020 8:00:00 AM
HB 287
HB 287 Sectional Analysis v. O 3.11.2020.pdf HJUD 3/11/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 PowerPoint Presentation HJUD (Updated) 3.13.2020.pdf HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 Additional Document - DPS Recommendations and Considerations 3.4.2020.pdf HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 Additional Document - VPSO Co-Chairs Response to DPS Recommendations and Considerations 3.12.2020.pdf HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 Fiscal Note DPS-ALET 3.2.2020.pdf HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 Fiscal Note DCCED-DCRA 3.6.2020.pdf HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 Fiscal Note DPS-CJISP 3.2.2020.pdf HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 287 Fiscal Note DPS-VPSO 3.1.2020.pdf HJUD 3/13/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/20/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 287
HB 174 v. K 3.11.2020.PDF HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Sponsor Statement 2.25.2020.pdf HCRA 3/5/2020 8:00:00 AM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Sectional Analysis v. K 3.4.2020.pdf HCRA 3/5/2020 8:00:00 AM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Explanation of Changes v. M to v. K 3.10.2020.pdf HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Supporting Document - States Should Enact Tobacco 21 to Reinforce New Federal Law 1.7.2020.pdf HCRA 3/5/2020 8:00:00 AM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Supporting Document - JUUL Labs letter 2.24.2020.pdf HCRA 3/5/2020 8:00:00 AM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Supporting Document - American Lung Association Letter 3.3.2020.pdf HCRA 3/5/2020 8:00:00 AM
HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Fiscal Note DCCED-CBPL 2.28.2020.pdf HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Fiscal Note DHSS-BHA 2.28.2020.pdf HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Fiscal Note LAW-CRIM 2.28.2020.pdf HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174
HB 174 Fiscal Note DOR-TAX 2.28.2020.pdf HJUD 3/16/2020 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2020 1:00:00 PM
HB 174