Legislature(2017 - 2018)GRUENBERG 120

04/11/2018 01:00 PM JUDICIARY

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Recessed to 6:15 pm --
+ HB 230 TELECOMMUNICATIONS & INTERNET PRIVACY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ SB 205 TELECOMMUNICATIONS REGULATION/EXEMPTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 351 JUVENILES: JUSTICE,FACILITES,TREATMENT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 351(HSS) Out of Committee
+= HB 336 SUPPORTIVE DECISION-MAKING AGREEMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 336(JUD) Out of Committee
+= HB 387 AG SCHEDULE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 387(JUD) Out of Committee
          HB 230-TELECOMMUNICATIONS & INTERNET PRIVACY                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:21:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 230,  "An  Act  relating  to the  collection  of                                                               
customer information  by telecommunications and  Internet service                                                               
providers; and  establishing an unfair  trade practice  under the                                                               
Alaska Unfair Trade Practices and Consumer Protection Act."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:22:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HARRIET   DRUMMOND,  Alaska   State  Legislature,                                                               
advised that in  March 2017, the United States  Congress passed a                                                               
bill that  repealed an  FCC regulation  known as  "Protecting the                                                               
Privacy  of Customers  of Broadband  and Other  Telecommunication                                                               
Services."   She  explained that  this  regulation mandates  that                                                               
internet service  providers (ISPs)  must receive  permission from                                                               
users  before  harvesting personal  data.    The repeal  of  this                                                               
regulation  allowed an  opening  for  ISPs and  telecommunication                                                               
companies to  collect data  without the  consent of  the customer                                                               
whose  data was  being collected.   She  stressed that  there are                                                               
absolutely   no   accusations   here   that   any   of   Alaska's                                                               
telecommunication  companies or  ISPs  are doing  this, and  they                                                               
have been clear  in letting her office know that  they do not use                                                               
this type of  trade practice.  However, she remarked,  there is a                                                               
need  to protect  the  privacy of  Alaskans  by solidifying  into                                                               
statute a civil penalty that  can be used on a telecommunications                                                               
company or  ISP if  they are found  to have been  doing so  by an                                                               
Alaska court.   This legislation  implements a new  section under                                                               
AS 45.48.800  to establish  the collection  of personal  data and                                                               
information by an  ISP or telecommunication company  as an unfair                                                               
trade practice.   She further advised that  this legislation will                                                               
keep  Alaskans' information  safe  and will  allow  the state  to                                                               
bring action against violators of  the new section, and hopefully                                                               
it will never be used.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:24:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK  FITZGERALD,  Staff,   Representative  Harriet  Drummond,                                                               
Alaska State  Legislature, paraphrased the sectional  analysis as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  1.   Establishing  the  collecting   of  personal                                                                    
     information   by    Telecommunications   companies   or                                                                    
     Internet service  providers without the consent  of the                                                                    
     customer or  user of service  is considered  (1) Effect                                                                    
     on  public  interest (2)  Not  a  reasonable method  of                                                                    
     conducting  or preserving  business  (3)  is an  unfair                                                                    
     trade and deceptive practice of business operations.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 2    AS 45.48 is  amended by adding a  new section                                                                    
     to read:  Article 6A. Information Disclosure                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 45.48.800  Approval required  for Information                                                                    
     disclosure.  Telecommunications   Company  or  Internet                                                                    
     service providers  are not allowed to  collect personal                                                                    
     information without  the expressed written  approval of                                                                    
     the  customer. Telecommunications  Company or  Internet                                                                    
     service  providers   may  not  discriminate   a  paying                                                                    
     customer  solely because  a customer  denied the  right                                                                    
     for the Telecommunications  Company or Internet service                                                                    
     providers to collect information.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        Telecommunications Company is defined as Cable,                                                                         
     telegraph, telephone, or broadcasting.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  3     AS  45.50.471   Adds  a  new  paragraph  AS                                                                    
     45.48.800  explaining  violation of  credit/debit  card                                                                    
     information   sharing   now   includes   Internet   and                                                                    
     telecommunications providers.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Sec. 4 AS 45.48.800 Definition of "Telecommunication                                                                      
     service" and establishes an effective date.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:26:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX asked  the  type  of personal  information                                                               
being collected  because if she googles  Antarctica, for example,                                                               
and  the  next  thing  she   knows  is  that  advertisements  for                                                               
vacations in  that area  pop up  on her  screen.   She questioned                                                               
whether that is the type  of personal information being collected                                                               
that would no longer be available to harvest.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  opined   that  Representative  LeDoux's                                                               
example takes  place through  Facebook's or  Google's algorithms,                                                               
and  this is  not about  the  software companies  that run  those                                                               
programs on the  internet, but rather it is about  the people who                                                               
send that  information to our  homes and offices initially.   She                                                               
explained that  this legislation  is for those  service providers                                                               
to whom  consumers pay their  bills for internet access,  and she                                                               
is  trying to  keep sensitive  information  out of  the hands  of                                                               
those providers.   She said  she does not  know what can  be done                                                               
about issues  such as  Representative LeDoux's  example, although                                                               
the federal  government is trying  to deal with Facebook  and its                                                               
privacy issues.   This bill is  simply about the GCIs,  the ACSs,                                                               
the APTIs, and the other  service providers in Alaska because the                                                               
FCC   withdrew  this   rule  that   protects  consumer   privacy.                                                               
Therefore, she pointed out, the states  need to step in, and many                                                               
state  legislatures   have  stepped  up  to   help  ensure  their                                                               
constituents' privacy from "their ISPs prying fingers."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. FITZGERALD  added that the  sponsor's office  has information                                                               
from  the Council  of  State Governments  and  other states  with                                                               
legislation similar to  HB 230, which advised that  many areas in                                                               
the country have  only one internet service  provider for certain                                                               
areas.    Under  those  circumstances,  he  said,  a  person  has                                                               
relatively no option  as far as their information  being used and                                                               
shared, which is one of the reasons for this legislation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:29:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX requested  an example  of the  information                                                               
Mr. Fitzgerald was discussing, what  information is being shared,                                                               
and whether it includes her social security number.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FITZGERALD   answered  that   the  definition   of  personal                                                               
information varies,  and the sponsor requested  a memorandum from                                                               
Legislative Legal  and Research Services on  that definition, and                                                               
issues  such as  state  identification  numbers, social  security                                                               
numbers, billing information, and so forth.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:30:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  questioned  how  GCI or  ACS  would  even                                                               
receive her state identification number.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  responded that  all of  this information                                                               
travels from her keyboard through  the software, such as Facebook                                                               
or a shopping  website, and the hardware that is  provided by the                                                               
person's internet  service provider  to get  that signal  to her.                                                               
Those entities have  the ability to "grab  that information along                                                               
the way," never mind what Facebook  marketing is doing with it as                                                               
that is dealt with in a  different manner.  Many of these devices                                                               
have  the capability  to retain  the memory  of account  numbers,                                                               
social  security   numbers,  credit  card   information,  medical                                                               
information, and online  purchases, she advised.   The passage of                                                               
HB 230  would put into  law that the  telecommunication companies                                                               
and internet service providers must  be given consent by the user                                                               
of any  service or device  before they  can sell, trade,  or gift                                                               
the information entered  by a private citizen.   She offered that                                                               
the entity may already have  this information because all of this                                                               
information passes through its equipment  and at any point it can                                                               
reach  in and  grab the  information.   This legislation  directs                                                               
that   the  entities   cannot   grab   the  information   without                                                               
permission.  This  is something that can easily  take place since                                                               
the consumer  pays the  service provider  hundreds of  dollars in                                                               
fees every month,  and in exchange it needs to  get permission to                                                               
use any information that might be harvested.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:32:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX asked  whether it  was likely  the service                                                               
providers  have a  form  that is  similar to  form  she see  when                                                               
logging  onto  the state  internet  stating,  "You agree  to  the                                                               
terms."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND answered, "Probably yes."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:33:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD asked  whether  this  bill deals  solely                                                               
with internet  service providers  and it has  nothing to  do with                                                               
software or apps.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  replied that this legislation  is solely                                                               
about   telecommunication   companies    and   internet   service                                                               
providers,  "not  the  Microsoft, Facebook  Zuckerberg's  of  the                                                               
world," unless  Microsoft is an  internet service provider.   Her                                                               
only  concern, she  remarked, is  with Alaska's  internet service                                                               
providers and the  impacts of protecting the  privacy of Alaska's                                                               
citizens through this legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:35:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  asked whether there  is any way  to "get                                                               
them on the  hook," as she would look forward  to an amendment to                                                               
target these  people and in  dealing with the software  aspect as                                                               
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   DRUMMOND  commented   that   this   is  a   good                                                               
conversation to have and AT&T  and GCI are both telecommunication                                                               
companies that lease the use  of phones to Alaskans, for example.                                                               
In the  event the legislature  directs those entities  to protect                                                               
Alaskans' privacy,  they will need  to come  up with a  manner in                                                               
which to protect  that privacy or obtain  a customer's permission                                                               
before using any  of the data.  This legislation  is aimed at the                                                               
closest  people it  can impact,  and AT&T  and GCI  are close  at                                                               
hand, she  explained that those  are the people  this legislation                                                               
is talking to, not Microsoft or Facebook.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:36:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD noted that she  was unsure whether it was                                                               
real,  but there  were contracts  between AT&T  and NSA  all over                                                               
Facebook.  She offered that  could be a broader conversation that                                                               
"they are  working with or  whether they are  not.  I  think that                                                               
that may be another intriguing aspect of this conversation."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:37:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN suggested  that it  would probably  be in                                                               
the  best interests  of the  committee  to have  a definition  of                                                               
personal information somewhere in the  bill, or at least point to                                                               
a definition somewhere  else that will apply.   He commented that                                                               
"As I  look at  just personal  information, it  would seem  to me                                                               
from just reading the  bill that if I don't want  to give my full                                                               
name to an ISP, that I don't have  to.  And, if they want to bill                                                               
me  they are  going to  have to  find some  other way,  some non-                                                               
personal information  way, if  I refuse to  give consent  to give                                                               
that  kind of  information."   He  asked the  impact the  sponsor                                                               
foresees  as  to   the  passage  of  this  bill   having  on  law                                                               
enforcement.   For example, if  someone is committing  crimes and                                                               
the ISP is aware, except it is not allowed to keep any of ...                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  advised that Representative Eastman  had passed his                                                               
one-minute time  limit, and  said that the  question is,  what is                                                               
the impact on law enforcement.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FITZGERALD replied  that the  sponsor has  looked into  that                                                               
question  and  it  is  awaiting an  official  response  from  the                                                               
Legislative  Legal  and Research  Services  drafter  and a  legal                                                               
opinion.   However, he  said, it is  his informal  knowledge that                                                               
court  ordered warrants  are specific  and this  legislation does                                                               
not stop any  warrant from being issued if there  is suspicion of                                                               
illegal  activity taking  place through  any sort  of ISP  or any                                                               
individual using  their own personal  computer "for things."   He                                                               
said  he would  provide  the committee  with  any information  he                                                               
receives.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:39:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN commented  that that  did not  answer his                                                               
question, and said that the bill  read that it is illegal for the                                                               
telecommunications  service   provider  to  collect   a  person's                                                               
information.   In the event  he was  a member of  law enforcement                                                               
"and I  go with  that search warrant  to collect  the information                                                               
from  you,  you  would  have  first, as  the  ISP,  had  to  have                                                               
collected  that information  to begin  with.   And, if  you don't                                                               
hold onto  it in some  way, which is usually  called 'collecting'                                                               
then there may  be nothing for the search warrant  to go back to.                                                               
You may say,  hey, we'd like to  help you but we  just don't know                                                               
any information to help you out with your search warrant."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. FITZGERALD  clarified that this legislation  makes it illegal                                                               
to collect  information without the  user's consent.   That being                                                               
said,  he  opined that  (audio  difficulties)  reason to  suspect                                                               
illegal  activity taking  place  with  an individual's  computer,                                                               
then law  enforcement would  be able  to go  through the  ISP and                                                               
serve a warrant for a search.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  referred to  the violations "in  the memo                                                               
you provided,"  wherein it  spells out  that for  each violation,                                                               
the person must  be subject to a penalty of  not less than $1,000                                                               
fine or more  than $25,000 fine.  He asked  how that might impact                                                               
a willingness  for the companies to  stay in this market  if they                                                               
will now be  liable, especially if it is  an accidental technical                                                               
error that  results in  5,000 customers being  affected.   In the                                                               
event each one of those customers  is a violation, that could put                                                               
a company  out of business,  impact insurance rates,  or customer                                                               
service charges, he said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FITZGERALD  responded that the  sponsor does not  believe the                                                               
risk of a  company that does not handle  their customer's privacy                                                               
diligently should be exempt from penalties.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:42:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP asked whether  the intent of this legislation                                                               
is that  no information, such as  a phone number or  address, can                                                               
be   retained   by   an   internet    service   provider   or   a                                                               
telecommunication  provider  unless   they  have  the  consumer's                                                               
consent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND responded  that  obviously the  internet                                                               
service provider  requires some information from  the consumer in                                                               
order to provide  the service.  Information such  as a consumers'                                                               
telephone  number, address,  credit  card  numbers, bank  account                                                               
number with which the consumer  pays their invoices, and anything                                                               
else collected by  that service provider must stay  private.  She                                                               
said  that  she assumes  the  service  provider would  want  that                                                               
information and  that they should be  able to keep it  private in                                                               
order to  provide their  services.   Beyond that,  she explained,                                                               
service  providers do  not  get to  profit  from collecting  that                                                               
information, or share  it with marketing companies,  or any other                                                               
entity, without  the consumer's permission.   She stated  that in                                                               
her opinion it  should simply be that when a  person signs up for                                                               
service with GCI,  AT&T, or any other service  provider, there is                                                               
a  simple  "yes  or  no"  box to  check  indicating  whether  the                                                               
consumer's personal information can be shared.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:44:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP surmised that this  bill is not so much about                                                               
the  collection of  data, but  what  actions are  taken with  the                                                               
personal information data.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND answered in the affirmative.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:44:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP commented  that  he has  served many  search                                                               
warrants for  pagers and  cells phones,  and on  internet service                                                               
providers for  particular IP addresses which  shows associations,                                                               
dates  and times,  exactly when  the criminal  act occurred,  and                                                               
when all the  communication stopped because "the deed  is done so                                                               
these people do not need to  talk to each other anymore."  (Audio                                                               
difficulties) wanting to  make sure the bill  sponsor's intent is                                                               
more  about commercially  selling  a  consumer's information  and                                                               
being pulled into whatever marketing someone else offered.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND answered in the affirmative.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opened public testimony on HB 230.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  Jonathan Clement,  Department  of                                                               
Law, (audio difficulties) having on law enforcement.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:46:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JONATHAN  CLEMENT,  Assistant  Attorney General,  Commercial  and                                                               
Fair Business Section,  Department of Law (DOL),  advised that he                                                               
works  in  the area  of  consumer  protection and  Representative                                                               
Eastman's question would be better  directed to the Department of                                                               
Law,  Criminal  Division.   He  offered  to  work with  the  bill                                                               
sponsor to have  someone available to answer the  question at the                                                               
next hearing.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:47:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN,  after  ascertaining  no one  wished  to  testify,                                                               
closed public hearing on HB 230.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:47:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  referred  to the  Constitution  of  the                                                               
State of Alaska, Article 1, Sec. 22, which read as follows:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Right of Privacy.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The right of the people to privacy is recognized and                                                                       
     shall not be infringed. The legislature shall                                                                              
     implement this section. [Amended 1972]                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD commented  that she  believes this  is a                                                               
bill  that  could possibly  be  agreed  upon because  legislators                                                               
swore to defend the constitution.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:47:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN commented  that he  values the  intent of                                                               
this  legislation,  he  appreciates the  protection  for  privacy                                                               
being  pursued,  and that  his  questions  were  in the  form  of                                                               
devil's  advocate because  attorneys  do not  always catch  where                                                               
legislators are trying to go with legislation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[HB 230 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB230 ver D 4.11.18.PDF HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Sponsor Statement 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Sectional Analysis ver D 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Supporting Document-Existing Policies for Consumer Protection - AT&T 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Supporting Document-Explanation of Protections - AT&T 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Supporting Document-FCC Federal Regulations Internet Privacy Section 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Supporting Document-Internet Privacy BBC Article 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Supporting Document-ACLU 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Supporting Document-Internet Privacy BBC Article 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Supporting Document-Pioneer Press Minnesota News 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
HB230 Fiscal Note LAW-CIV 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
SB205 ver U 4.11.18.PDF HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Sponsor Statement 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Summary of Changes 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Sectional Summary 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-ATA Executive Summary 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-Modernization Act FAQ 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-ATA Letter to RCA 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-ATA Supplemental Information 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-ATA Response to RCA 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-Copper Valley Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-AP&T Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-AT&T Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-TelAlaska Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-MTA Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-ACS Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supprting Document-OTZ Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Supporting Document-ASTAC Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Fiscal Note DCCED-RCA 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
HB230 Supporting Document-Legal Memo - Explanation of Penalties 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 230
SB205 Supporting Document-RCA Staff Analysis 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 Opposing Document-Rep. Guttenberg Letter 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205
SB205 PowerPoint Presentation 4.11.18.pdf HJUD 4/11/2018 1:00:00 PM
SB 205