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07/15/2019 11:00 AM FINANCE

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11:06:37 AM Start
11:07:53 AM HB2001
02:05:10 PM Public Testimony
08:29:59 PM Adjourn
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HOUSE BILL NO. 2001                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   making  a  special  appropriation   from  the                                                                   
     earnings  reserve account for  the payment  of permanent                                                                   
     fund dividends; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:07:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz MOVED to ADOPT the proposed committee                                                                          
substitute for HB 2001, Work Draft 31-LS1103\K (Caouette                                                                        
7/14/19).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster indicated his staff would be walking                                                                            
through the committee substitute.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:08:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ERIN SHINE, STAFF, JENNIFER JOHNSTON, read from a prepared                                                                      
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Today  before   you  for  consideration  is   the  House                                                                   
     Finance   Committee   Substitute   for  HB   2001   that                                                                   
     appropriates  a surplus  Permanent Fund  Dividend.   The                                                                   
     amount  available  to  pay   a  surplus  Permanent  Fund                                                                   
     Dividend  is  contingent  upon appropriating  funds  for                                                                   
     essential state services.                                                                                                  
     Therefore,   the  CS  before   you  also  includes   the                                                                   
     following items:                                                                                                           
   - For the Operating Budget the CS                                                                                          
        1) Restores the vetoed FY20 operating budget items                                                                      
          and                                                                                                                   
        2) the vetoed FY19 supplemental operating budget                                                                        
          items                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   - For the Capital Budget this CS                                                                                           
      1) Restores the FY20 projects that were vetoed                                                                            
        2) reintroduces projects that were removed from the                                                                     
          bill due to the failed Constitutional Budget                                                                          
          Reserve vote.                                                                                                         
        3) and Funds the FY20 capital budget items with UGF                                                                     
          dollars                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   - Finally, this CS includes language for                                                                                   
        1)  the use of the Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                        
        2) and authorizes the reverse sweep.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     To  reiterate,  a  surplus Permanent  Fund  Dividend  as                                                                   
     outlined  in  this  CS  requires  that  the  legislature                                                                   
     address the  funding of state services to  arrive at the                                                                   
     funding  available  to pay  a Permanent  Fund  Dividend.                                                                   
     This CS  restores funding  for the Governor's  vetoes to                                                                   
     the  operating   and  capital   budgets  and   uses  the                                                                   
     remainingor   surplusgeneral  funds  to pay this  year's                                                                   
     Permanent  Fund  Dividend.    And  it  does  so  without                                                                   
     exceeding  the total percent  of market value  draw from                                                                   
     the  Permanent  Fund  Earnings   Reserve  available  for                                                                   
     appropriation  set out by  laws in  AS 37.13.140  and AS                                                                   
     37.13.145.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Therefore,  this  CS appropriates  $641,151,000  to  the                                                                   
     dividend  fund, which would  equate to an  approximately                                                                   
     $929   Permanent  Fund  Dividend   for  each   qualified                                                                   
     Alaskan this year.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Mister Chairman,  if it is the will of  the committee, I                                                                   
     believe my  colleagues Mr. Anderson and Mr.  Labolle are                                                                   
     ready to walk through a sectional analysis.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:11:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRODIE ANDERSON, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE NEAL FOSTER,                                                                             
reviewed the sectional analysis:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Committee Substitute for House Bill 2001 (FIN)                                                                             
     Sectional Analysis                                                                                                         
     Version 31-LS1103\K                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     NUMBERS SECTIONS: 1  15                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 1    Page 2, Line 1  Page 12, Line 5                                                                                  
               Restores the vetoed FY20 Operating Budget                                                                        
              items passed by the legislature                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 2    Page 13, Line 1  Page 16, Line 20                                                                                
               Summary of appropriations by agency and                                                                          
              funding sources made in Sec. 1                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 3    Page 17, Line 1  Page 18, Line 20                                                                                
               Summary of statewide funding for the                                                                             
               appropriations made in Sec. 1                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 4    Page 19, Lines 1-19                                                                                              
               Restores   the    vetoed   FY19   Supplemental                                                                   
               Operating   Budget   items   passed   by   the                                                                   
               legislature                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 5    Page 20, Lines  1-11                                                                                             
               Summary   of  appropriations  by   agency  and                                                                   
              funding sources made in Sec. 4                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 6    Page 21, Lines  1-10                                                                                             
               Summary   of   statewide   funding   for   the                                                                   
               appropriations made in Sec. 4                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 7    Page 22, Lines  1-28                                                                                             
               Restores  the HB 40 vetoed FY20  Mental Health                                                                   
               Capital    Budget   items   passed    by   the                                                                   
               legislature                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 8    Page 23, Lines  1-15                                                                                             
               Summary   of  appropriations  by   agency  and                                                                   
              funding sources made in Sec. 7                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 9    Page 24, Lines 1-8                                                                                               
               Summary   of   statewide   funding   for   the                                                                   
               appropriations made in Sec. 7                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 10   Page 25, Line 1  Page 30, Line 27                                                                                
               Funds  FY20 Capital  Budget items removed  due                                                                   
               to  the failed  CBR vote  with an UGF  funding                                                                   
               source  and restores  the vetoed FY20  Capital                                                                   
               Budget items                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 11  Page 31, Line 1  Page 32, Line 14                                                                                 
               Summary   of  appropriations  by   agency  and                                                                   
               funding sources made in Sec. 10                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 12   Page 33, Lines  1-17                                                                                             
               Summary   of   statewide   funding   for   the                                                                   
              appropriations made in Sec. 10                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 13   Page 34, Lines  1-18                                                                                             
               Restores   the    vetoed   FY19   Supplemental                                                                   
               Capital    Budget   items   passed    by   the                                                                   
               legislature                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 14   Page 35, Lines  1-11                                                                                             
               Summary   of  appropriations  by   agency  and                                                                   
               funding sources made in Sec. 13                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 15  Page 36, Lines 1-8                                                                                                
               Summary of statewide funding for the                                                                             
              appropriations made in Sec. 13                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:14:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PAUL LABOLLE, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE NEAL FOSTER, reviewed                                                                       
the language sections of the bill:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     LANGUAGE SECTIONS: 16  34                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 16  Page 37, Lines 1-8                                                                                                
               Re-appropriates funds from the Alaska Higher                                                                     
               Education Investment Fund to the Department                                                                      
               of Education                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 17  Page 37, Line 9  Page 38, Line 7                                                                                  
               Outlines      Alaska       Permanent      Fund                                                                   
               appropriations as follows:                                                                                       
                    (a) and (b):    Satisfies the  payment of                                                                   
                    Post   1979   field  royalties   to   the                                                                   
                    Permanent Fund Corpus for FY18;                                                                             
                    (c) and (d):    satisfies the  payment of                                                                   
                    Post   1979   fiels  royalties   to   the                                                                   
                    Permanent Fund Corpus for FY19;                                                                             
                    (e): Reverses  the  veto  of  $1  billion                                                                   
                    deposit  from  the  Earnings  Reserve  to                                                                   
                    the General Fund;                                                                                           
                    (f): Appropriates  $641,151,000  from the                                                                   
                    General  Fund  to  the  Alaska  Permanent                                                                   
                    Fund Dividend Fund; and                                                                                     
                    (g): Reverses  the veto and  restores the                                                                   
                    full  $9.4   billion  transfer  from  the                                                                   
                    Earnings  Reserve  to  the  Principal  of                                                                   
                    the Permanent Fund Corpus                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 18  Page 38, Lines 8-12                                                                                               
               Restores the vetoed funding for the Alaska                                                                       
               Legal Services Corporation                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 19  Page 38, Line 13  Page 39 Line 15                                                                                 
               Restores the payment of Debt Service to:                                                                         
               (a):      municipalities or agencies; and                                                                        
               (b) and (c):    school bond reimbursement                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 20  Page 39, Lines 16-26                                                                                              
               Restores Fund Capitalization to the:                                                                             
               (a):      Community Assistance Fund;                                                                             
               (b) and (c):    Forward   funding    of   FY21                                                                   
               education      foundation     formula      and                                                                   
               transportation; and                                                                                              
               (d):      REAA school construction funding                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 21  Page 39, Line 27  Page 40, Line 2                                                                                 
               Restores funds transfers or vetoed from the                                                                      
               (a):  Civil Legal  Services  funds from  court                                                                   
               filing fees; and                                                                                                 
               (b): Power  Cost  Equalization Endowment  Fund                                                                   
               to the Renewal Energy Grant Fund                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 22  Page 40, Lines 3-23                                                                                               
               Ratifies  prior   year  funding  for  specific                                                                   
               projects                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 23  Page 40, Line 24  Page 41, Line 5                                                                                 
               Restores the vetoed:                                                                                             
                    (a): re-appropriation   made   from   the                                                                   
                    Exxon  Valdez oil spill  restoration fund                                                                   
                    to  the  Prince   William  Sound  Science                                                                   
                    Center; and                                                                                                 
                    (b): the  appropriation  from the  Alaska                                                                   
                    Industrial    Development   and    Export                                                                   
                    Authority   to   the   Northwest   Arctic                                                                   
                    Borough                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 24  Page 41, Lines 6-11                                                                                               
               Restores  the  vetoed  authorization  of  land                                                                   
               sale   receipts  to  Mt.  Edgecumbe   Boarding                                                                   
               School                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 25  Page 41, Lines 12-18                                                                                              
               Restores  the vetoed re-appropriation  for the                                                                   
               Flattop   Mountain   Trail   clean  up   pilot                                                                   
               project                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 26  Page 41, Line 19  Page 42, Line 6                                                                                 
               Restores  the vetoed  items to the  Department                                                                   
               of Transportation and Public Facilities for:                                                                     
                    (a): Marine   vessel  replacement   fund;                                                                   
                    and                                                                                                         
                    (b): Harbor Facility Grant Fund                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 27   Page 42, Lines 7-14                                                                                              
               Restores the veto to the Ketchikan Gateway                                                                       
               Borough                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 28  Page 42, Line 15  Page 47, Line 10                                                                                
               Restores the re-appropriations vetoed to the                                                                     
               Alaska Housing Capital Corporation account                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 29  Page 47, Line 11  Page 48, Line 18                                                                                
               Outlines the Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                       
               Fund authorization for the:                                                                                      
                    (a): reverse sweep language;                                                                                
                    (b): deficit filling language;                                                                              
                    (c): headroom authorization; and                                                                            
                    (d): conforming language.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 30  Page 48, Lines 19-24                                                                                              
               Addresses lapsing funds                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 31  Page 48, Lines 25-29                                                                                              
               Outlines the retroactivity clauses                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 32  Page 48, Line 30  Page 49, Line 1                                                                                 
               Applies contingency clauses related to Sec.                                                                      
               17 and Sec. 29                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 33  Page 49, Line 2-4                                                                                                 
     and 34    Effective date clauses                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:22:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster explained  that essentially  the veto  items                                                                   
were restored in  the new committee substitute.  He indicated                                                                   
that the  CS was  a starting  point from  which to  work. /He                                                                   
reported  that there  were  ways  to increase  the  Permanent                                                                   
Fund Dividend.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Labolle thought  Co-Chair  Foster  had encapsulated  the                                                                   
contents of the document.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sullivan-Leonard  had grave concerns  with the                                                                   
current  committee substitute.  She  challenged the  validity                                                                   
and legality  of the bill  before the committee.  She thought                                                                   
it was a "D?j? vu" of the budget bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster agreed  that it  was a  legal question  that                                                                   
had to be answered.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:27:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN WALLACE,  DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE LEGAL  SERVICES, ALASKA                                                                   
STATE LEGISLATURE,  agreed that  the governor's  proclamation                                                                   
was  not  a  general  subject,  rather  he  included  a  very                                                                   
specific appropriation  for the legislature to  consider. She                                                                   
stated that  legal question  as to whether  or not  the draft                                                                   
bill   complied   constitutionally    with   the   governor's                                                                   
proclamation was  a complicated  issue. The governor  had the                                                                   
constitutional  authority to  limit the  general subjects  of                                                                   
legislation considered  by the  legislature during  a special                                                                   
session.  She opined  that  there was  no  question that  the                                                                   
governor's  power to limit  the subjects  could not  infringe                                                                   
on the  legislature's power  of appropriation. She  explained                                                                   
that even if  the general subject of the special  session was                                                                   
determined  to  be  limited  to   an  appropriation  for  the                                                                   
Permanent Fund  Dividend (PFD),  it would be  the legislature                                                                   
who  decided   the  funding   source   and  amount  of   that                                                                   
appropriation. She  stated that the Alaska Supreme  Court had                                                                   
never construed  the governor's  power  to limit the  general                                                                   
subject of  a special session.  She shared that  other states                                                                   
whose  constitutions also  allowed  a governor  to limit  the                                                                   
special  session calls  had adopted certain  tests that  were                                                                   
employed  to  determine  whether   the  ultimate  legislation                                                                   
passed  by  the  legislature complied  with  the  subject  or                                                                   
whether it  was too broad in  light of the subject  listed by                                                                   
that governor.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:31:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sullivan-Leonard  asked if there  had been any                                                                   
other  special sessions  called  by previous  administrations                                                                   
where the legislature had changed the topic in midstream.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wallace  responded  that the  constitutionality  of  the                                                                   
legislature's action  was upon passage  of the bill.  She did                                                                   
not  know  whether  discussion  of  the  legislation  in  the                                                                   
committee  process presented any  constitutional issues.  She                                                                   
stressed  that it was  the final  version and  appropriations                                                                   
that were  passed by the  legislature that would  prevent the                                                                   
constitutional question.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard asked  if past  legislatures                                                                   
had altered the call of the governor.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Labolle  felt that  Ms.  Wallace  was stating  that  the                                                                   
committee  work  could  act  on   any  legislation,  but  the                                                                   
constitutional  question  occurred  in  the  passage  of  any                                                                   
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace responded, "Generally, yes."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster stressed  that the  bill was  a surplus  PFD                                                                   
bill. He  stressed that  in order  to determine the  surplus,                                                                   
the  inclusion  of  all  the items  in  the  budget  must  be                                                                   
considered to determine the PFD.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:34:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  relayed that the original  bill, HB
39,  had  been  drawn  from  a   larger  account.  Currently,                                                                   
because  of the  uncertainty of  the reverse  sweep vote,  he                                                                   
wondered whether  they would be  funded directly from  the GF                                                                   
rather than from capitalized accounts.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Labolle asked  Representative Josephson  to reference  a                                                                   
specific appropriation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson restated his question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Labolle responded  that  the Community  Assistance  Fund                                                                   
was originally  funded  with general funds  in the  operating                                                                   
budget. He  stated that,  globally, with  the portion  of the                                                                   
operating  budget, all  funds were the  original fund  source                                                                   
in  the  Conference  Committee  Report.  He  stated  that  he                                                                   
capital  budget  was  different, because  the  House  version                                                                   
used the  CBR as the  primary fund  source. The  current bill                                                                   
used general funds  and other funds. The specific  funds were                                                                   
those used  by the Senate's  capital budget, before  the fund                                                                   
source was changed to the CBR.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tilton agreed  with  her colleague  regarding                                                                   
the  validity of  the  bill  and the  constitutionality.  She                                                                   
asked  the  legislative  attorney  to  investigate  the  past                                                                   
legislatures.  She  requested  the validity  of  the  overall                                                                   
session.  She remarked  that she  was there  in a good  faith                                                                   
effort to attempt to move forward with the legislature.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wallace  responded  that   she  was  not  aware  of  any                                                                   
challenges. She would be happy to do the research.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:40:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  recalled a doctrine  that indicated                                                                   
that  more  recent   legislation  was  a  reflection   of  an                                                                   
acknowledgement of  previous legislation and  was controlling                                                                   
in  terms of  melding of  the two.  He stated  that he  would                                                                   
request  a legal  memorandum that  would  reflect that  those                                                                   
who voted for SB 26 were aware  of the existing PFD statute.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace agreed  that the doctrines existed,  but believed                                                                   
that  issue  did  not  need  to  be  addressed,  because  the                                                                   
statutes   were  explicitly   written   to  acknowledge   the                                                                   
existing dividend statute.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson thought  Ms.  Wallace had  answered                                                                   
his question. He  thought there was further  information that                                                                   
could be necessary.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston  noted some  vetoes were included  in the                                                                   
committee  substitute.  She wondered  whether  the staff  was                                                                   
able  to  mention the  vetoes  that  were  not backed  up  by                                                                   
statute or law.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Labolle    responded   that    the   Senior    Benefits                                                                   
appropriation was  a program in statute. He  also stated that                                                                   
the School Bond  Debt program was in statute.  He deferred to                                                                   
Mr. Anderson.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  relayed that  the Legislative Finance  Division                                                                   
had reviewed the  vetoes. There were 17 vetoes  were contrary                                                                   
to statute. He provided several examples.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:45:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard  was  still unclear  on  the                                                                   
PFD breakdown.  She wondered  whether  the bill followed  the                                                                   
statutory 5.25 percent.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Shine replied that the bill followed that percentage.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sullivan-Leonard  stated that the  last amount                                                                   
she  had  heard about  was  $2200,  and  wanted to  know  the                                                                   
breakdown.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Shine agreed to provide that information.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labolle added  that while the POMV established  by SB 26,                                                                   
but it  provided no guidance on  the amount of  the Permanent                                                                   
Fund Dividend.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:48:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston WITHDREW her OBJECTION.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tilton OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Knopp, LeBon, Ortiz,  Josephson, Johnston, Foster                                                                     
OPPOSED: Merrick, Sullivan-Leonard, Tilton                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION to ADOPT CSHB 2001(FIN) PASSED (6/3).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  indicated  that   the  committee  would  be                                                                   
recessing  until 2:00 PM  at which  time the committee  would                                                                   
be   taking   public  testimony.   He   provided   additional                                                                   
information as to the details of public testimony.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:52:15 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:04:22 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENNED                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  acknowledged  present committee members.  He                                                                   
noted   that    Representative    Knopp   was   online    and                                                                   
Representative Adam Wool would call in.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^PUBLIC TESTIMONY                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:05:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster provided  the  email address  and  committee                                                                   
schedule.  He  thanked  the  public  for  being  present  and                                                                   
online to testify.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:07:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VALERIE BROOKS,  SELF, KETCHIKAN (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
in  support  of a  PFD  that  did not  impact  programs.  She                                                                   
supported  pre-K, the  arts, court  system, senior  programs,                                                                   
and other.  She suggested saving  dollars on the  oil company                                                                   
credits. She thanked the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:09:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK BAUER,  SELF, HOMER  (via teleconference),  supported a                                                                   
full PFD of  $3,000. He Testified in opposition  to the bill.                                                                   
He  reminded  the  committee   that  the  dividend  had  been                                                                   
established to  protect the Permanent Fund  from encroachment                                                                   
by the legislature.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:10:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  updated the public  on the legislation.  The                                                                   
new version of  the bill included a restoration  of all items                                                                   
vetoed  by  the  governor  and   added  the  capital  budget.                                                                   
Anything  that  was  surplus  would  go to  pay  the  PFD  of                                                                   
approximately $900. He noted it was a starting point.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:12:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JACKIE CASON,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  supported a modest  PFD. She                                                                   
stated the  situation was  a divide  between individuals  who                                                                   
had  lost  faith  in the  government.  She  supported  public                                                                   
safety,  health,   and  other.   She  shared  that   she  had                                                                   
benefited  from the  generosity  of public  programs and  she                                                                   
had paid the  support back. She shared her  personal story in                                                                   
the state detailed  she had used public programs  to help her                                                                   
go to school.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:14:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRIS  EICHENLAUB, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  asked  the committee  to                                                                   
restore   honesty,   trust,  and   negotiating   skills.   He                                                                   
discussed  the reasons  the  governor  had been  elected.  He                                                                   
spoke against  the legislation. He  did not support  money to                                                                   
legislative per diems.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard   remarked  that   the  bill                                                                   
before the committee included a PFD of $900.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Eichenlaub replied that he did not support that.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:17:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOBY  WIDDICOMBE,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  spoke  in  favor of  the                                                                   
bill.  He did  not  support the  governor's  fixation with  a                                                                   
$3,000 PFD.  He spoke to the  problem with greed.  He thought                                                                   
the  governor   was  selling   snake  oil.  He   thought  the                                                                   
governor's  policies  would  create a  recession.  He  stated                                                                   
that the governor  and his OMB director reported  to the Koch                                                                   
brothers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:19:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATASHA GAMACHE,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  shared that she  had been                                                                   
at all of the  rallies recently. She supported  a budget that                                                                   
took  care of  the state's  citizens. She  stressed that  the                                                                   
governor's plan  would kill job  and create a  recession. She                                                                   
underscored  that crime  would increase.  She emphasized  the                                                                   
problem with  sexual assault  in the  state. She asked  where                                                                   
the  people  were  expected  to go  who  were  homeless.  She                                                                   
underscored  that  people  would  leave the  state  and  real                                                                   
estate values would crash.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:22:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEREMIAH  OKSOKTARUK,  SELF,   SEWARD  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
supported a  full PFD of $3,000.  He thought that  the former                                                                   
Governor  Walker had  stolen  money from  the  people in  the                                                                   
form of the PFD.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:23:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANTOINETTE COLLINS,  SELF, WASILLA (via  teleconference), she                                                                   
did not  feel she had  had any voice  in the past  four years                                                                   
in Alaska.  She stressed  that the PFD  had been  stolen from                                                                   
citizens. She  supported Governor  Dunleavy. She  supported a                                                                   
full PFD of $3,000.  She stated that money from  the PFD went                                                                   
to  funding  jobs.  She  asked the  committee  to  listen  to                                                                   
regular Alaskans.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:24:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA   CALDWELL,   SELF,   DOUGLAS    (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified in  support of HB  2001. She thought  the committee                                                                   
should be  proud of its  past operating budget.  She believed                                                                   
the governor's  vetoes and  backpay for  PFDs was  crazy. She                                                                   
believed  the cuts  would create  destruction  in the  state.                                                                   
She  supported  an income  tax  that  was based  on  people's                                                                   
ability  to contribute.  She thought  getting  a smaller  PFD                                                                   
was   a  stand-in   for   taxes   until   a  tax   could   be                                                                   
reestablished.  She thought asking  for a  large PFD  was not                                                                   
right.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:26:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATIE  BOTZ, SELF,  JUNEAU  (via teleconference),  asked  the                                                                   
committee  to  consider  how   devastating  it  would  be  to                                                                   
provide a  full PFD. She asked  the committee to  think about                                                                   
that  people could  not survive  without infrastructure.  She                                                                   
believed it  would be  devastating if  there was no  override                                                                   
of  the governor's  vetoes. She  stressed that  loss of  jobs                                                                   
and housing  would // She  understood that committee  members                                                                   
cared about Alaska.  She asked the committee  how they wanted                                                                   
their constituents  to remember  them when the  next election                                                                   
came up.  She wanted  to know how  Alaska would  stabilize in                                                                   
40 to  50 years.  She asked  the legislature  to meet  in one                                                                   
location to get the work done.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:29:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAGE HALL,  SELF, WASILLA,  supported a  full PFD  of $3,000.                                                                   
She  thought a  sales or  income  tax would  make more  sense                                                                   
than reducing  the PFD.  She shared that  she had  a homeless                                                                   
family member. She  stated that nothing had  been provided to                                                                   
him.  She  stressed that  people  could  die when  money  was                                                                   
taking away  from shelter. She  shared how she had  used PFDs                                                                   
for shelter,  school, food,  and other.  She shared  that the                                                                   
first  year the  PFD  had been  reduced  had  hit her  family                                                                   
hard.   She  believed   every  state   division  used   funds                                                                   
unnecessarily. She  asked the legislature to  reduce wasteful                                                                   
spending.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster provided the email address.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:33:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA  DYKSTRA, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  thanked  the committee  for                                                                   
its  time. She  stated  the question  was  about what  people                                                                   
wanted  Alaska  to  look  like.   She  strongly  opposed  the                                                                   
governor's  cuts to Head  Start and  early learning  programs                                                                   
and the  University. She stressed  that many would  leave the                                                                   
state  due  to  the  governor's   cuts.  She  discussed  that                                                                   
business activity  would decrease. She stressed  that cuts to                                                                   
the  University   would  result   in  campuses   closing  and                                                                   
individuals  in the state  would not have  the ability  to go                                                                   
to college.  She urged  the committee  to  do what was  right                                                                   
for Alaska's children and their future.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:35:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALAN  MITCHELL,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,   opposed  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes  and  supported  a PFD  of  approximately  $1,500.  He                                                                   
stated that  if cuts  went through  many professors  would be                                                                   
sent  out  of   state.  The  University  would   become  more                                                                   
expensive, less  accessible, and  would have fewer  programs.                                                                   
He pointed out  that many young individuals  would choose not                                                                   
to  go  to college  as  a  result. He  underscored  that  the                                                                   
homeless population  would increase.  He did not  believe the                                                                   
current  situation  was a  fiscal  crisis, but  a  leadership                                                                   
crisis. He noted  that the state had a $65  billion Permanent                                                                   
Fund.  He would gladly  pay taxes  to help  solve the  fiscal                                                                   
problem.  He  asked   the  committee  to  solve   the  fiscal                                                                   
situation in a balanced way.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:38:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANE  SUTHERLAND  NIEBERGALL,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  shared  that                                                                   
she  had  worked  in 80  villages  in  Alaska.  She  provided                                                                   
detail  on her  career in  Alaska.  She had  worked for  Head                                                                   
Start and  had given health  examinations. She  elaborated on                                                                   
her career history  in Alaska villages. She  spoke in support                                                                   
of  education   and  Head   Start.  There  were   individuals                                                                   
certified  as  early  childhood   teachers  in  the  villages                                                                   
currently. She stressed  that over the years,  Head Start had                                                                   
made  a  difference   in  the  villages.  She   stressed  the                                                                   
importance   of   keeping   track    with   early   childhood                                                                   
development. She  relayed that three  people had told  her in                                                                   
the past week they  would leave the state due  to the current                                                                   
fiscal situation. She wanted to make it work.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:42:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE  HUTCHISON, SELF, KENAI  (via teleconference),  was                                                                   
opposed  to the  bill.  She was  appalled  at the  University                                                                   
that  it could  not maintain  its  accreditation. She  stated                                                                   
that  the  University  was a  land  grant  organization.  She                                                                   
agreed   with  the   governor's   vetoes.   She  wanted   the                                                                   
legislature to get  the government back to  a balanced state.                                                                   
She thought there  were too many people getting  funding from                                                                   
the government.  She stated  that the  Permanent Fund  should                                                                   
was separate.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:44:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SOL NEELY, SELF,  JUNEAU (via teleconference),  supported the                                                                   
legislature's  original  budget  sent  to  the  governor  for                                                                   
approval.  He   supported  a  smaller  PFD   and  maintaining                                                                   
government  services.  He  did  not  believe  the  governor's                                                                   
budget  was for  Alaskans  and  that it  represented  outside                                                                   
interests  of  groups  like  the   Koch  brothers.  He  asked                                                                   
whether  the  state  could  continue  to  afford  using  $1.2                                                                   
billion on PFDs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:46:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN   VOSS,   TEACHER,   ANCHORAGE,   spoke   against   the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.  He  shared  that costs  in  Alaska  were                                                                   
higher  than in  the Lower  48.  He stressed  that the  state                                                                   
gave hundreds  of millions  of dollars  to oil companies.  He                                                                   
did not  support a $3,000 PFD.  He stated that  many Alaskans                                                                   
did just  fine financially and  should be viewing PFDs  as an                                                                   
added  bonus. He  thought  taking  away social  services  and                                                                   
education  funds  was  short-sighted.  He  congratulated  the                                                                   
committee on  its budget  sent to the  governor prior  to the                                                                   
vetoes.  He did  not  need  a $3,000  PFD  and  was happy  to                                                                   
contribute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:49:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROCK  DE  AUGUSTINE,  VETERANS  FOR A  FULL  PFD,  ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
supported  a full  PFD of  $3,000. He  discussed the  current                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.  He  discussed  that  increased  property                                                                   
taxes, sales  taxes, and  other would  bring in millions.  He                                                                   
stated the  taxes would bridge  the fiscal gap.  He supported                                                                   
allowing individuals  to donate  a portion  of their  PFDs to                                                                   
government if they  desired. He believed cutting  the PFD was                                                                   
the most regressive action possible.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:51:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIA SKALA,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  shared her history  in Alaska                                                                   
since  1977.  She discussed  per  capita  tax paid  in  1977,                                                                   
which was  approximately 11 percent.  She stated that  if the                                                                   
amount  was  paid now,  people  would  by paying  $17,000  in                                                                   
taxes. She  stated that  the cuts made  by the governor  were                                                                   
to  core   state  responsibilities.   She  opposed   cuts  to                                                                   
education  and  other. She  stressed  it  was far  more  cost                                                                   
effective  to  pay  for  pre-K   than  to  pay  for  remedial                                                                   
education later on.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:54:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GALEN SCHMIDT,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  testified in opposition  to                                                                   
the governor's cuts.  He understood there were  strongly held                                                                   
beliefs by everyone  in the room. He stressed  the importance                                                                   
of being  critical and pragmatic,  work with open  hearts and                                                                   
minds. He  supported services  for homeless, Medicaid  funds,                                                                   
and other. He  thought paying the services was  better than a                                                                   
$3,000 PFD.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:56:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRISTINA   CRANSTON,   SELF,  SITKA   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
thanked the committee  for its work. She shared  detail about                                                                   
her life  in Alaska. She shared  the helpfulness of  the PFD.                                                                   
She fully  opposed the  governor's vetoes.  Her family  would                                                                   
be  deeply impacted  immediately  and long-term.  She  stated                                                                   
PFDs would  be spent to  live if all  of the cuts  were made.                                                                   
She  thought  paying  a $6,000  PFD  was  short-sighted.  She                                                                   
thought a partisan game was being played.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:58:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEX KOPLIN,  SELF, HOMER  (via teleconference),  thanked the                                                                   
committee. He  applauded the committee's efforts  to override                                                                   
the governor's vetoes.  He was strongly in favor  of the bill                                                                   
or any  bill that  would overturn  the vetoes.  He cited  the                                                                   
Alaska  Constitution,  and  government  for  the  people.  He                                                                   
believed  most Alaskans  would  be in  favor  of funding  for                                                                   
government services.  He hoped the committee  would restore a                                                                   
functional budget for the people.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:01:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JUDITH     RITENBURGH,    SELF,     TRAPPER    CREEK     (via                                                                   
teleconference),  did not support  government stealing  money                                                                   
from private funds.  She supported a full PFD  of $3,000. She                                                                   
shared  her  family's  history  pertaining to  the  PFD.  She                                                                   
stated  that  taking  money  from   the  PFD  would  tax  all                                                                   
residents.  She did not  support the  governor's vetoes,  but                                                                   
she realized the  need for an equitable way to  tax and raise                                                                   
revenues.  She stressed they  could not  take money  from the                                                                   
private sector for  use to balance the budget.  She supported                                                                   
some sort of income  tax, but was opposed to  taking the PFD.                                                                   
She  understood  that  many  students  used  their  PFDs  for                                                                   
college  funds. She wanted  the legislature  to restore  past                                                                   
PFDs that had not been paid in full.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston provided  the  committee email  address.                                                                   
She acknowledged Co-Chair Wilson online.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:04:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAURA BONNER, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, supported HB 2001.  She spoke                                                                   
against  vetoes  made  by  the  governor.  She  believed  the                                                                   
vetoes would put  Alaska into a deep recession.  She stressed                                                                   
there would  be job  loss in the  public and private  sector.                                                                   
She  reported that  cuts to  the capital  budget had  already                                                                   
delayed construction  projects. She  supported a  revised PFD                                                                   
formula and a comprehensive fiscal plan.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:07:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BERT HOUGHTALING,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  supported a full  PFD of                                                                   
$3,000.  He  asked the  legislature  to  follow the  law.  He                                                                   
supported   the  governor.  He   thought  the   legislature's                                                                   
inability  to follow  the  law had  resulted  in the  current                                                                   
situation.  He   thought  legislators  had  been   hiding  in                                                                   
Juneau. He  thought the legislators  that had been  in Juneau                                                                   
were cowards and were acting illegally.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:10:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MOLLY HAYES,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  shared information  about her                                                                   
life and  career in  Alaska. She worked  as an educator.  She                                                                   
and her family  chose to remain in Alaska  because they loved                                                                   
the state.  She did not want a  full PFD and believed  it was                                                                   
like dirty  money  now. She did  not want  to jeopardize  the                                                                   
future  of  Alaska's  young people.  She  shared  that  young                                                                   
adults  would  be  forced  to  leave  the  state  to  receive                                                                   
education elsewhere.  She asked the committee  to restore the                                                                   
governor's vetoes.  She thanked legislators who  were already                                                                   
advocating for them.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:12:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA SPARROW,  SELF, ANCHORAGE, did  not support using  a PFD                                                                   
to hold  the government  hostage. She  spoke against  cuts to                                                                   
the mentally  ill and  others. She  stressed that  Alaska was                                                                   
throwing money at  the oil companies and the  PFD. She stated                                                                   
that  the state  still had  wealth  despite the  drop in  oil                                                                   
revenue.  She   stressed  that  Head  Start   and  University                                                                   
programs were being  eliminated. The pain was  happening now.                                                                   
She stated  the majority of Alaskans  had made it  clear they                                                                   
opposed the governor's vetoes.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:14:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JONATHON  SCHUMACHER JR.,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  shared that  he                                                                   
was  a  lifelong  resident.  He detailed  that  he  had  been                                                                   
diagnosed with  some issues that  prevented him  from working                                                                   
or interacting with  people. He stated that a  full PFD would                                                                   
help immensely.  He would  be a homeless  person //  He asked                                                                   
the committee to follow the full PFD calculation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:17:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM  TOPEL, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  supported a  full PFD  and                                                                   
back pay of  PFDs. He shared that  he had moved to  Alaska in                                                                   
1966. He  was a senior citizen  living on a fixed  income. He                                                                   
stated  that  the   PFD  belonged  to  the   people  not  the                                                                   
government. He elaborated  that the PFD helped  all Alaskans,                                                                   
not just  special interest groups.  He discussed  the history                                                                   
of the  PFD payouts. He elaborated  that PFDs had  to compete                                                                   
with  other state  services,  which he  did  not support.  He                                                                   
thought  legislators  who  had  met  in Juneau  had  done  so                                                                   
illegally. He supported the governor.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:21:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAROLINE  STORM, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  supported  an income  tax                                                                   
that  was  the fairest  way  to  tax  citizens. She  did  not                                                                   
support  cuts  to the  PFD.  She  stressed that  people  were                                                                   
hurting  and were  losing  their jobs.  Her  income would  be                                                                   
significantly  impacted   by  a  recession.  She   asked  the                                                                   
legislature to institute an income tax.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:23:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  OLSON,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  asked   if  Representative                                                                   
Sullivan-Leonard had left the meeting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston  replied she  had an interview  and would                                                                   
be back.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Olson  reported   that   physicians   could  not   care                                                                   
adequately for their  patients when the state  was constantly                                                                   
in  turmoil.  She  strongly  opposed  cuts  to  Medicaid  and                                                                   
reported some  patients would die.  She stressed the  duty to                                                                   
provide  services.  She discussed  critical  cancer  research                                                                   
that  would  stop if  the  cuts  went through.  She  stressed                                                                   
opposition  to cuts  to  education  and the  University.  She                                                                   
stressed  that  the  cuts  far   exceeded  the  value  of  an                                                                   
individual  PFD.  The PFD  had  never  been free  money.  The                                                                   
legislature needed  to reframe the fight. She  agreed another                                                                   
source of income was needed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:26:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICK BROCKETT, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, spoke in support  of liberty                                                                   
and justice.  He spoke against  cuts to the PFD.  He stressed                                                                   
the PFD  was the peoples'  money. He underscored  that taking                                                                   
the money took  individuals' freedom to spend  their money in                                                                   
the way  they needed.  He provided  examples. He stated  that                                                                   
the university system  in Alaska was bloated  and disgusting.                                                                   
He spoke to  the freedom to choose. He thought  people should                                                                   
be able to spend  their money anyway they wanted.  He did not                                                                   
want to take money from the children.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:29:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SANDY  TRAVIS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  spoke in  support of  fully                                                                   
funding the PFD.  She felt that an audit for  each department                                                                   
would  be  useful.  She  remarked   that  an  audit  must  be                                                                   
approved by  the Legislature.  She felt that  the legislature                                                                   
had refused to do its job.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:31:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANN RAPPOPORT,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  urged support for  HB 2001.                                                                   
She  felt it  should  reinstate funding.  She  felt that  the                                                                   
governor's vetoes  would destroy  the state and  the American                                                                   
system. She remarked  that her children may not  see a future                                                                   
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GAIL  LIMBAUGH-MOORE,  SELF, SOLDOTNA  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
felt that the PFD  should be paid as was written  in law. She                                                                   
felt that the $951 was unacceptable.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:35:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HERMAN MORGAN,  SELF, ANIAK  (via teleconference),  felt that                                                                   
the laws  were broken, because  the legislators should  be in                                                                   
Wasilla. He  expressed support  of a full  PFD. He  felt that                                                                   
the  legislature was  paying too  much  attention to  special                                                                   
interest groups.  He remarked that rural Alaskans  needed the                                                                   
PFD.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARRIE  HARRIS,  SELF,  ANCHOR  POINT  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
felt  that  the PFD  should  not  be  a  part of  the  budget                                                                   
conversation.   The  PFD   should   follow  the   traditional                                                                   
statutory  formula. She remarked  that the  PFD was  used for                                                                   
necessities  for the  poor people  in Alaska.  She felt  that                                                                   
using  the PFD  was the  laziest way  to form  a budget.  She                                                                   
stressed that the working poor used the PFD.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:41:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DALE  AUSTERMAUL, SELF,  NOME  (via teleconference),  queried                                                                   
the members present on the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston   named  the  members  present   in  the                                                                   
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:42:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Austermaul encouraged  the committee to do  their work in                                                                   
Wasilla. He  spoke in support of  the full PFD. He  felt that                                                                   
there  should  be  a  repeal  of  some  previous  bills  from                                                                   
previous  legislatures. He  spoke in  support of  a tax,  but                                                                   
wanted a  vote of the people  to determine the tax.  He noted                                                                   
that there  was a lawsuit against  the committee, so  he felt                                                                   
that  the   meeting  was  illegal.   He  remarked   that  the                                                                   
University of  Alaska Anchorage  had an 8 percent  graduation                                                                   
rate. He  remarked that the  University of Alaska  was second                                                                   
to  last in  the  nation  in graduation  behind  Arizona.  He                                                                   
spoke in support of the governor's vetoes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:45:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARRIE  HARRIS,  SELF,  ANCHOR  POINT  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke  against HB  2001. He  supported the  governor and  the                                                                   
legislators that were meeting in Wasilla.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REID BOWMAN,  SELF, JUNEAU  (via teleconference),  noted that                                                                   
the state  had budgetary  problems, and  remarked that  there                                                                   
were some  revenue problems. He  spoke in support of  the PFD                                                                   
to   ensure  that   the   peoples'   money  was   not   spent                                                                   
frivolously.  He  spoke on  the  subject of  overturning  the                                                                   
vetoes.  He  remarked  that  his  daughter  had  received  an                                                                   
Alaska Performance  Scholarship, but her scholarship  was now                                                                   
unavailable  for  an  unknown  plan  for  the  University  of                                                                   
Alaska. He  felt that the vetoes  were cruel, because  of the                                                                   
short amount of time.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston  noted  that  there  was  an  email  for                                                                   
public testimony: housefinance@akleg.gov.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:50:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINN  MCCABE,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  felt  that  the PFD  had  no                                                                   
place in  budget discussions.  She was embarrassed  about the                                                                   
emotional manipulation.  She felt that the bill  was illegal,                                                                   
because  there was  not a quorum  present  when the bill  was                                                                   
presented.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:52:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANA  KERR,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE,  spoke  in  support   of  the                                                                   
Washington,  Wyoming,  Alaska,  Montana,  and  Idaho  (WWAMI)                                                                   
program. She  noted that  the lack  of education was  related                                                                   
to  mass incarceration.  She  felt  that  there would  be  an                                                                   
increase in crime  with the budget vetoes.  She remarked that                                                                   
there  would   be  an  economic  recession.   She  encouraged                                                                   
negotiation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:55:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUZI PEARSON,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AWAIC, ANCHORAGE,  spoke in                                                                   
support of  overriding the vetoes  and funding  the operating                                                                   
budget. She  stressed she  was also in  support of  a reduced                                                                   
PFD that  would help  to fund  the programs  impacted  by the                                                                   
vetoes.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:58:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON   LESSARD,   EXECUTIVE    DIRECTOR   NAMI,   ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
encouraged the  legislature to  move forward with  the budget                                                                   
that  was  passed in  the  previous  session. He  noted  that                                                                   
there was  a discussion  about the  focus in community  based                                                                   
care,  but he  remarked  that there  was  no community  based                                                                   
care in  the vetoes.  He spoke  in support  of a  compromised                                                                   
PFD. He  noted that society should  be seen as  a collective,                                                                   
and there was compromise in a society.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:00:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE ALEXANDER,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  noted that the  University                                                                   
had lost its  accreditation. He wondered how  many nonprofits                                                                   
would  take  a pay  cut  in order  to  stay  on the  job.  He                                                                   
supported  the governor's  vetoes,  and felt  that he  should                                                                   
have cut further.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:04:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  VIRGIN, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  remarked  that  it was  the                                                                   
fourth  year in  a row  reducing  the budget.  He noted  that                                                                   
there was  also a private sector  recession. He felt  that it                                                                   
was a false  choice to choose between state  services and the                                                                   
PFD.  He  remarked that  the  PFD  was  a necessity  to  many                                                                   
people  in  the state.  He  noted  that state  services  were                                                                   
important to the  state. He stressed that there  was money to                                                                   
pay  for a  PFD  and state  services.  He  remarked that  the                                                                   
state was  within its means  to pay  for all of  the options.                                                                   
He did not want  people against each other in  what he saw as                                                                   
a false crisis.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:06:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAROL  WATERS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  spoke  against the  vetoes.                                                                   
She remarked that  she knew many people who  kept people safe                                                                   
and fed. She spoke in support of HB 2001.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:09:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARNIE  HARTILL,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,   thanked  Representative                                                                   
Merrick.  She appreciated  the  former governor  to keep  the                                                                   
PFD  intact.  She spoke  against  the  vetoes, and  spoke  in                                                                   
support  of HB  2001. She  remarked that  many people  worked                                                                   
hard in their  communities, and felt that there  should be an                                                                   
adjustment  in the PFD  formula. She  remarked that  children                                                                   
and  students  would  always be  her  special  interest.  She                                                                   
spoke  against   the  conduct   of  the   governor  and   the                                                                   
legislators  who were meeting  in Wasilla.  She felt  that it                                                                   
was the impact of Americans for Prosperity.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:12:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM  CASON,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  spoke  against  the  oil  tax                                                                   
credits. He  felt that  there should  be a realistic  budget,                                                                   
and a  reasonable compromise.  He remarked that  the governor                                                                   
was  attacking the  government. He  encouraged the  committee                                                                   
to stand  up for all three  branches of government.  He spoke                                                                   
in support of overriding the vetoes.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:14:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TONY  KALISS,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE,   agreed  with   the  false                                                                   
narrative of Alaskans  being against each other.  He remarked                                                                   
that  the current  budget  director did  not  care about  the                                                                   
impact of  the budget.  He suggested that  there should  be a                                                                   
discussion, and  have a difference  of opinion. He  felt that                                                                   
the  situation was  unnecessary, and  appreciated the  speech                                                                   
from Senator Von Imhof.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:16:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRONSON FRYE, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, urged support of  HB 2001. He                                                                   
stated  that the  federal  income  tax resulted  in  matching                                                                   
grants  to keep  the  Alaskan construction  industry  healthy                                                                   
and  robust. He  remarked  that the  state  received more  in                                                                   
federal  dollars than  what  was in  the  capital budget.  He                                                                   
felt that money was not a partisan issue.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRADLEY CRUZ,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  urged the reverse  sweep for                                                                   
the  WWAMI  program,  because  it  was  the  least  expensive                                                                   
medical school  per capita in  the country. He  remarked that                                                                   
61  percent of  the  graduates return  to  Alaska. He  stated                                                                   
that the  program was cheap,  because many of  his colleagues                                                                   
taught  for free.  He stressed  that the  cuts were  harmful,                                                                   
because  there  was a  desire  to  attend medical  school  in                                                                   
state.  He  felt  strongly  about  the  two  main  arguments,                                                                   
because the  state was  given a  false choice, because  there                                                                   
could be  other political solutions.  He felt there  could be                                                                   
other ways to raise revenues.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:21:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM  DEATON, SELF,  CORDOVA (via  teleconference),  was a                                                                   
high school  senior, and he did  not plan to stay  in Alaska.                                                                   
He was  recently a  page at  the U.S.  Senate, and  witnessed                                                                   
much debate during  the reopening of the  federal government.                                                                   
He shared  that the budget must  be cut, and approved  of the                                                                   
vetoes.  He felt that  the governor  did not  veto enough  in                                                                   
the budget. He  supported a full PFD, and was  opposed to new                                                                   
taxes.  He remarked  that the  governor  did not  cut the  UA                                                                   
budget,   but   only   the  state's   contribution   to   the                                                                   
university.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEANINE MORSE,  SELF, KENAI  (via teleconference),  felt that                                                                   
the legislature  needed  to provide good  leadership  for the                                                                   
state.  She encouraged  a  sensible  fiscal plan  that  would                                                                   
balance the  budget. She stated  that they should  not listen                                                                   
to  special  interest  groups,   and  listen  to  the  Alaska                                                                   
people.  She  spoke  in  support   of  the  original  PFD  as                                                                   
designed  by Governor  Hammond.  She  stated that  the  money                                                                   
belonged to the Alaska people.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATE  VEH,  SELF, SOLDOTNA  (via  teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
support of  cutting her  PFD to avoid  a recession.  She felt                                                                   
that the PFD could be used to  fund the government services.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:27:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  SWANSON,  SELF,  JUNEAU  (via  teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
against  cutting  the  PFD.  She  spoke  in  support  of  the                                                                   
governor's vetoes.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:29:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIMBERLY  THIRI,  SELF, ANCHOR  POINT  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
felt  that the  legislators  created the  situation,  because                                                                   
they  would not  work with  the governor.  She remarked  that                                                                   
the problems  had been around  for many years. She  felt that                                                                   
there was a false picture of "doom and gloom."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston  reminded  the committee  of  the  email                                                                   
address to send in public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:31:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANEL   WALTON,   SELF,   ANCHORAGE,    spoke   against   the                                                                   
elimination  of  the  Alaska   Performance  Scholarship.  She                                                                   
remarked that  he children and  other students  were choosing                                                                   
to stay  in Alaska  thanks to the  money offered  through the                                                                   
Alaska Performance Scholarship.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:33:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY  SCHALLERT, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  quoted  some portions  of                                                                   
the  Constitution,  which  stated that  the  legislature  was                                                                   
responsible  for  the  promotion  and  protection  of  public                                                                   
health. She supported HB 2001.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:35:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SURGE KULIKOV,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  encouraged the  legislature                                                                   
to invest in  other industries besides oil.  He elaborated on                                                                   
many ideas that the legislature should consider.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:39:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NIKOLE NELSON,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  stated  that she works  for                                                                   
Alaska  Legal   Services.  She   stated  that  Alaska   Legal                                                                   
Services'  offered  services,  because  it  was  the  state's                                                                   
legal obligation  to provide representation to  the residents                                                                   
of  the state.  She  noted  that  Alaska Legal  Services  was                                                                   
fully  reliant on  state dollars.  She  remarked that  people                                                                   
were  getting  turned  away, because  of  lack  of  financial                                                                   
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:42:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE UYDAI,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  stated that she  served the                                                                   
most vulnerable  people in  the state.  She spoke  in support                                                                   
of HB 2001,  and reinstating the vetoes. She  shared that she                                                                   
had worked  to install  fire alarms  for a  woman who  lacked                                                                   
the resources  to install  fire alarms.  She shared  that her                                                                   
house  burned down,  and  the smoke  alarms  saved her  life.                                                                   
That  woman  was in  a  better  place  now. She  thanked  the                                                                   
committee for their bipartisan approach to the problem.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:44:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAELA KOLEVOK,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  expressed concern  about                                                                   
the  direction  of  the  state  and  the  cost  to  the  most                                                                   
vulnerable in the state. She spoke in support of HB 2001.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:47:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEBORAH  ERICKSON, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  shared  stories of  her                                                                   
two sons. She testified against the governor's vetoes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:51:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK PHILLIPS,  SELF, ANCHORAGE, felt  that the cause  of the                                                                   
dilemma was  from the oil  tax credits.  He read from  a bill                                                                   
[SB  21], which  was  passed in  a previous  legislature.  He                                                                   
felt that  there could be a  balanced budget and a  full PFD,                                                                   
if the oil tax credits were revoked.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:53:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY   YOUNG,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE,   spoke   in  support   of                                                                   
overriding the vetoes.  She shared that she was  a teacher in                                                                   
the  WWAMI program.  She remarked  that the  cut to  Medicaid                                                                   
would  have a  negative impact  on the  most vulnerable.  She                                                                   
stated  that the  medical  system  relied on  the  university                                                                   
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:55:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VERNE  BOERNER,  ANHB,  ANCHORAGE,  spoke in  support  of  HB
2001.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:58:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAKE  METCALF, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, shared  that he  grew up  in                                                                   
the state, and  went out of state to law school.  He returned                                                                   
to the state in  1986. He shared that he had  worked since he                                                                   
was  five. He  stressed that  jobs  in Alaska  were the  most                                                                   
important  aspect  of the  state.  He  felt that  the  vetoes                                                                   
would  put  the state  back  to  1986  into a  recession.  He                                                                   
shared that  he had  four kids,  and wanted  them to  live in                                                                   
the state. He spoke in support of HB 2001.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:03:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BEVERLY  CROSS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  shared that  she was  born                                                                   
and  raised in  Alaska, and  was  66-years-old. She  remarked                                                                   
that her  mother was on  the list for  the Pioneer  Home, and                                                                   
had some friends  who received senior benefits.  She remarked                                                                   
that the governor  was spending more on his  aides and staff,                                                                   
but was  cutting the budget  for the vulnerable  residents of                                                                   
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:06:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAURA NORTON  CRUZ, SELF, ANCHORAGE,  spoke in support  of HB
2001.  She  stated  that  the   loss  of  funding  for  early                                                                   
childhood  education would result  in developmental  problems                                                                   
for children.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:09:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEANNA BECK, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, shared that she  was a mother.                                                                   
She spoke  in support of  funding for educational  employment                                                                   
and education programs.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:12:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   FENSTER,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE,   spoke  against   the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.  He  hoped  that  the  legislature  would                                                                   
stand up for Alaskans.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:14:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERNIA  VANDENHOERK,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,   spoke  against  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.  She  shared  that  she  was  a  formerly                                                                   
incarcerated person.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:18:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROCHENE  RAWANHELLEN, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, spoke  in support  of                                                                   
the original  budget, and urged  the consideration of  a tax.                                                                   
She asked  that the  most vulnerable people  in the  state be                                                                   
considered in  determining the cuts.  She shared that  it was                                                                   
a  direct  attack  on  Alaska's  values.  She  stressed  that                                                                   
people  turned  to  and  adopted the  values  of  the  Native                                                                   
people:  family   and  community.   She  remarked   that  her                                                                   
daughter  had  received an  Alaska  Performance  Scholarship.                                                                   
She also  shared that she  had personal experience  teaching,                                                                   
and  stressed that  children  could not  learn  if they  were                                                                   
hungry.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:22:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRAD OWENS,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  appreciated the  participation                                                                   
in  the  democracy.  He  noted   that  there  was  compelling                                                                   
testimony. He  hoped that there  could be a  sensible budget.                                                                   
He felt  that there  should be an  understanding of  all that                                                                   
the government provides.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:24:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHELLY  VENDETTI  VUCKOVICH,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  thanked  the                                                                   
committee  for  their  time, and  appreciated  the  alternate                                                                   
views  that she  had listened  to  in the  meeting. She  felt                                                                   
that  people needed  to come  together to  find a  bipartisan                                                                   
solution.  She spoke  in support  of HB  2001. She  disagreed                                                                   
with the disparaging  remarks about special  interest groups.                                                                   
She stressed  that children, family,  and elders  were sacred                                                                   
to the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:26:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STERLING  GALLAGHER,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  shared that  he  had                                                                   
worked to  personally write the  Permanent Fund.  He remarked                                                                   
that  the  Permanent  Fund  had   no  purpose.  The  PFD  was                                                                   
developed  after   the  Permanent  Fund  was   developed.  He                                                                   
stressed that  the economics of  the future were  unknown. He                                                                   
remarked  Alaska initially  adopted the  laws of Oregon,  but                                                                   
he worked  to rewrite  the laws  specifically for  Alaska. He                                                                   
remarked that  he also worked  to develop the  severance tax.                                                                   
He stated  that the 12 percent  today in severance  tax would                                                                   
be  approximately $8  billion.  He felt  that  the state  had                                                                   
come a  long way in  decreasing the  numbers. He  shared that                                                                   
he  had  given  the government  many  ideas,  such  as  using                                                                   
Alaska Industrial  Development  and Export Authority  (AIDEA)                                                                   
to  build lateral  pipelines.  He  felt that  Alaska  Housing                                                                   
Finance  Corporation  (AHFC) grants  could  be  given to  the                                                                   
pension fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:32:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KURT  SCHMIDT, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  spoke in  opposition to  HB
2001. He  thought the session  was a shell game.  He asserted                                                                   
that the PFD  should be distributed, and the  budget reserved                                                                   
for only the most important issues.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:35:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL D.  KENDALL, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, noted  that Trump  was an                                                                   
Archangel. He asserted  that the legislature  was not dealing                                                                   
with the  real problem  at hand.  He challenged  the body  to                                                                   
make a case for  Juneau. He spoke of the division  within the                                                                   
legislature.  He  asserted  that  legislators  hid  from  the                                                                   
public  in Juneau.  He  apologized  for being  so  emotional.                                                                   
Times were difficult.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:39:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT BORION,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  disclosed  that he worked  for                                                                   
the university  and was speaking  only on his own  behalf. He                                                                   
spoke  of   President  Johnson's   efforts  to   make  proper                                                                   
reductions  in  the  right  places.  He  suggested  that  the                                                                   
proposed veto  would rip the rug  out from under  the efforts                                                                   
that have already  been made in efficiencies.  He argued that                                                                   
there would be  collateral damage from the  proposed cuts. He                                                                   
noted that his  youngest child was the youngest  student that                                                                   
would be  attending the  university. He  thanked members  for                                                                   
their time.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:42:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATIE MORAN,  SELF, ANCHORAGE, moved  to Alaska in  1980. She                                                                   
testified in  support of HB 2001.   She talked about  how she                                                                   
and  her husband  worked  for the  fire  department. She  had                                                                   
been involved  in the health  industry for several  years and                                                                   
was concerned about  the people that needed  help. She talked                                                                   
about having been homeless. She thanked the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:44:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD MORAN, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, testified in support  of  HB
2001.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:46:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANICE PARK, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, recalled when Bill  Ray was in                                                                   
the  legislator.  She  thought  compromise  was  needed.  She                                                                   
urged  the  restoration  of  funds  to  the  University.  Her                                                                   
daughter was a  student in the university.  She urged members                                                                   
to stay in the  conversation rather than walking  away in the                                                                   
middle of the debate.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:49:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COREY  WHITMORE,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  opposed  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes and  supported compromise  on the  amount of  the PFD.                                                                   
She  supported   the  Alaska  Performance   Scholarship.  She                                                                   
thought  Alaska  should bring  in  more  money with  a  state                                                                   
income tax or an increase to the oil industry.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:51:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBYN HENRY,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  was a  faculty member  of the                                                                   
University. She talked  about the students that  came in from                                                                   
the   Bush  to   receive  their   education.  She   advocated                                                                   
supporting  students that  wanted  to bring  their  education                                                                   
back  to their  communities. She  had  come from  a Board  of                                                                   
Regents  meeting.  She urged  support  of the  University  of                                                                   
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:54:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GAIL HINEMAN,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  testified  in support  of HB
2001.  She spoke  against the  governor's veto  of the  Ocean                                                                   
Ranger  Program.  She  stressed  the  governor's  cuts  would                                                                   
result in  a recession.  She advocated  restoring all  of the                                                                   
funds  related  to  the vetoes.  She  thought  more  revenues                                                                   
should be  considered and that  the oil companies  should pay                                                                   
additional taxes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:56:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  KARL, SELF, ANCHORAGE,  spoke  in opposition  to the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.   She  supported  the  Arts   and  Public                                                                   
Broadcasting.  She supported  a state  income tax. She  lived                                                                   
in Alaska  in previous  years when there  was a  state income                                                                   
tax  and thought  it was  a good  idea.  She reminded  people                                                                   
that   legislative  hearing   could  be   attended  via   the                                                                   
internet.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:59:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DONNA STEINFORT,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE, had  been a resident  for                                                                   
over 25  years. She  encouraged all  legislator to  return to                                                                   
Juneau to  get their  job done. She  testified in  support of                                                                   
HB  2001. She  suggested the  capital budget  was being  held                                                                   
hostage for  a $3000  PFD. She thought  the governor  and the                                                                   
minority were acting foolishly.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM LAKOSH,  SELF, ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                   
favor of an increase  to the corporate income tax  as well as                                                                   
a  state income  tax.  He  suggested a  tax  on  the PFD.  He                                                                   
thought   additional   taxes   would   make   a   significant                                                                   
difference  in the economy.  He stated  that the  legislature                                                                   
needed  to tax  money  back to  the state.  He  spoke of  the                                                                   
possibility  of not  being able  to  use fossil  fuel in  the                                                                   
near  future -  it  was  an issue  that  needed  to be  fixed                                                                   
immediately.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:04:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AMBER  BARNEY, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, spoke  in support  of a  PFD                                                                   
but not at the  expense of services. She provided  a personal                                                                   
story about  her adopted son  affected by substance  abuse in                                                                   
the  womb.  She  talked  about  the  successes  her  son  had                                                                   
experienced thus  for. She and  her husband had  intended for                                                                   
their son  to attend  Head Start  and now  that would  not be                                                                   
possible.  She   urged  the   legislature  to  overturn   the                                                                   
governor's vetoes.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:06:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  HALL,  HOUSTON  CHAMBER  OF  COMMERCE,  HOUSTON  (via                                                                   
teleconference),  spoke in favor  of placing  the issue  of a                                                                   
new  PFD  formula on  an  advisory  vote  by the  people.  He                                                                   
thought it would  be proper that the people had  a say in the                                                                   
PFD formula. He urged a vote of the people.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:10:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADAM  HYKES,  SELF,  HOMER  (via  teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
opposition  to HB  2001. He argued  that the  state could  do                                                                   
without  the University.  He  was a  student  but could  take                                                                   
classes  online. He opposed  the legislature  taking  his PFD                                                                   
and using it for government services.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:12:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIM HAYS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, testified in support  of HB 2001.                                                                   
She  thought the  reductions would  damage  the economy.  She                                                                   
asked members to support the legislation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:14:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  KAT  MILLIGAN-MYHRE,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  had  a  PhD  in                                                                   
microbiology.  She had been  a student  of the University  of                                                                   
Alaska. She  thought education  was imperative. She  spoke of                                                                   
having  lost  her native  language.  She  advocated  training                                                                   
more Alaskan Natives  in the sciences. She  urged support for                                                                   
a reversal of  the governor's vetoes of the  University along                                                                   
with many  other programs. She  wanted Alaska to  remain what                                                                   
it was.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:17:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
YASMIN  LECHTENBERA, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  testified in  support                                                                   
of  HB  2001. She spoke of  the high costs within  the state.                                                                   
She spoke  of the disparity in  the cost for her  children to                                                                   
attend  college  in Alaska  versus  other states.  She  urged                                                                   
members to override the governor's vetoes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:19:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ESTELLE  THOMSON, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  testified in  opposition                                                                   
to the governor's  cuts. She thought it was nice  to have the                                                                   
PFD.  However,  she  thought  preserving  services  was  more                                                                   
important. She urged members to support HB 2001.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:21:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETH  WEIGEL, SELF,  JUNEAU  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
support of the  university. She had worked  at the University                                                                   
for  several  years.   She  spoke  against  cuts   to  public                                                                   
broadcasting. She  thought several  of the cuts  would affect                                                                   
everyone.  She encouraged  members  to limit  the PFD  rather                                                                   
than making the large reductions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:24:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SYLVIA  PANZARELLA,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
testified  in support  of  HB  2001 and  a  smaller PFD.  She                                                                   
supported additional  taxes to  the oil companies.  She spoke                                                                   
against  the governor's  vetoes of the  Ocean Ranger  Program                                                                   
and the Alaska  State Council on the Arts.  She urged members                                                                   
to overturn the governor's vetoes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:26:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARIN  DAHL,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),  was  a                                                                   
lifelong  Alaska. She  earned  two degrees  at  UAA. She  had                                                                   
worked in the  homeless program. She spoke in  favor of early                                                                   
education  and services  for the homeless.  She testified  in                                                                   
support  of the  governor's vetoes.  She opposed  all of  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes. She  was okay  with  receiving a  smaller                                                                   
PFD for the good of the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:27:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN  LAPLANTE, SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
in  opposition to  HB 2001.  He favored  oil subsidies  which                                                                   
supported  the government.  He opposed  additional taxes.  He                                                                   
spoke  of  the  high  per diem  costs.  He  argued  that  the                                                                   
legislature  should  not  be  in  Juneau.  He  supported  the                                                                   
governor's reductions.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:31:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELODY  MCCULLOUGH,   SELF,  WASILLA  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
opposed  HB 2001  and supported  the  governor's vetoes.  She                                                                   
expected  a full PFD  and the  back pay.  She spoke  of using                                                                   
her PFD  supporting her  grandchildren in  the form  of food,                                                                   
clothing,  and  heat.  She suggested  that  some  legislators                                                                   
were breaking  the law. She argued  that the PFD was  not for                                                                   
government use. She  talked about the negative  impact of not                                                                   
receiving a  full PFD. She  argued that legislators  were not                                                                   
listening  to Alaskans.  She talked  about the  expense of  a                                                                   
special  session in Juneau.  She reiterated  her support  for                                                                   
the governor and his vetoes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:32:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TODD  HUME, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke  in                                                                   
opposition  to  HB 2001  and  in  support of  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes. He  urged lawmakers to  follow the law.  He suggested                                                                   
that  the   legislature  was   not  following  the   law.  He                                                                   
explained that  the PFD formula  was in the  constitution for                                                                   
a reason. He  supported an income tax and  encouraged members                                                                   
to follow the law.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY SWANSON,  SELF, JUNEAU (via teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in  support  of   HB  2001  and the  governor's  vetoes.  She                                                                   
suggested  that what the  legislature was  doing was  akin to                                                                   
the definition  of insanity, as  it was doing the  same thing                                                                   
over and over again.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:36:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PETRA ILLIG,  SELF, ANCHORAGE, was  a recipient of  the WHAMI                                                                   
Program.  She  posed  the  question of  what  kind  of  state                                                                   
people  wanted to  live in.  She thought  most people  wanted                                                                   
good  educations  for their  children  and  a safe  place  to                                                                   
live. She spoke  of her children attending  the University of                                                                   
Alaska. She  thought people wanted  services over a  PFD. She                                                                   
asked  members to  do  what was  right  rather than  worrying                                                                   
about  their reelection.  She  asked members  to please  fund                                                                   
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:38:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINA SAMMONS,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  spoke in opposition  to                                                                   
HB 2001.  He children  would be  affected by the  reductions,                                                                   
as they  attended the  University of  Alaska. She  encouraged                                                                   
looking  for other  avenues  for  revenue including  a  state                                                                   
income tax. She would do with a smaller PFD.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:42:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRISTAN  SAMMONS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, testified  in support  of                                                                   
HB  2001.  He stressed  the  importance  of  maintaining  the                                                                   
integrity of  the University of  Alaska, particularly  of its                                                                   
research  department. He  supported  additional revenues.  He                                                                   
argued  that fossil  fuels  were  coming to  an  end. He  was                                                                   
disappointed about  the loyalty to oil companies.  He thought                                                                   
it was important to ensure the integrity of the state.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:45:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAMUEL OHANA,  SELF, ANCHORAGE, testified  in support of   HB
2001.  He urged  members to  restore the  funding slashed  by                                                                   
the governor's  vetoes. He relayed  a personal story  about a                                                                   
friend  who became  homeless.  He  indicated his  friend  was                                                                   
scared about the  closing of homeless shelters  and concerned                                                                   
about her safety. He urged members to restore funding.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:47:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE KESSLER, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, spoke in support  of HB 2001.                                                                   
She urged  the legislature to  find a compromise.  She opined                                                                   
that  people  needed  to be  realistic.  She  encouraged  the                                                                   
legislature to resolve  the PFD issue. She spoke  in favor of                                                                   
an income tax.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:50:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIRK  SCHUMAKER,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  opposed  the  governor's                                                                   
cuts to  early learning programs.  He discussed  the benefits                                                                   
of  the  Head  Start Program.  He  reported  that  about  500                                                                   
children  would be affected  across Alaska.  He relayed  that                                                                   
the cuts  to the programs  would be  damaging in the  end. He                                                                   
talked  about the  benefits  of  certain programs.  He  hoped                                                                   
everyone  supported the  welfare  of all  children. He  urged                                                                   
members  to restore  the budget  and  reverse the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster asked about how  much the state had to lose.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Schumaker responded  that  it  was different  for  every                                                                   
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:53:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYAN  WALSH, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  testified  in  support of  HB
2001 and encouraged the restoration of higher education.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:55:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHERRIE  HINSHAW, NPLA,  ANCHORAGE, testified  in support  of                                                                   
HB 2001. She  thought the proposed cuts would  be detrimental                                                                   
to Alaska's future.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NELTA EDWARDS,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  testified in support  of HB
2001. She  thanked the House  Finance Committee for  being at                                                                   
the LIO  in Anchorage. She was  a Sociology Professor  at the                                                                   
University  of   Alaska.  She  encouraged  support   for  the                                                                   
University system.  She spoke  about the negative  effects of                                                                   
the  drastic reductions  by the  governor.  She talked  about                                                                   
growing up in  Fairbanks and attending a small  public school                                                                   
that  offered  many opportunities.  She  talked  about  being                                                                   
involved with  RFVP, as  a young  person. She reiterated  her                                                                   
support for HB 2001.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:59:47                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SHANE CASTLE,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  was a writing  instructor at                                                                   
UAA. He  thanked members  for going  to Wasilla. He  provided                                                                   
information  about   his  position  at  the   University.  He                                                                   
supported the bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:02:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREE MCLEOD,  SELF, ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
against  the   governor's  cut   to  Medicaid  adult   dental                                                                   
services. The  administration's decision  to lose out  on $19                                                                   
million in federal  funds was a poor one - it  was 70 percent                                                                   
of the funding  for preventative dental. She  shared that the                                                                   
Alaska Dental  Society expressed  opposition to the  cut. She                                                                   
wondered whose interest  it was in for the  administration to                                                                   
make the cut when it had already been authorized.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:05:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  shared there  were zero  people left  in the                                                                   
LIOs. There were individuals in the room and online.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:05:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAURA  WRENN, SELF,  CHUGIAK (via  teleconference), spoke  in                                                                   
support  of  services,  education,  and  a  stable  PFD.  She                                                                   
shared she  had lived in  the state  since 1981. She  did not                                                                   
believe  the  state  had  a money  problem,  but  a  priority                                                                   
problem. She  believed the  state could  have services  and a                                                                   
sustainable  PFD.  She supported  overriding  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes and adding  funds back into the operating  budget. She                                                                   
reasoned  a  sustainable  PFD   was  possible  if  the  state                                                                   
considered changing  the oil  tax structure and  implementing                                                                   
an income  tax. She  wanted the  state to be  as great  as it                                                                   
should  be. She wanted  to see  the state  spending money  on                                                                   
its people.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:09:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILLIE  HAAN, SELF,  PALMER (via  teleconference),  supported                                                                   
the  committee's work.  She shared  that she  was a  lifelong                                                                   
Alaskan  and  her  children  were living  in  the  state  and                                                                   
attending  university.  She shared  that  her daughter's  lab                                                                   
could potentially  lose funding. She spoke in  support of the                                                                   
restoration   of   funds   for   libraries,   Medicaid,   the                                                                   
University,   and  other.  Her   children  were   all  Alaska                                                                   
Performance Scholarship  recipients. She shared  that she and                                                                   
her  husband  were  both  UAA  graduates.  She  implored  the                                                                   
committee to stick  to the budget the legislature  had worked                                                                   
hard  for and  compromised on.  Citizens were  willing to  do                                                                   
their part in the  form of a lower PFD or  an income tax. She                                                                   
implored the legislature to stand up against the governor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:12:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANE  HOLMES, SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  asked                                                                   
the  committee  how  to convince  the  other  legislators  to                                                                   
override. She  wondered what it  could promise that  was more                                                                   
than the  governor had. She stressed  the state did  not have                                                                   
a  budget  crisis,  but  a  priority  crisis.  She  supported                                                                   
government services  and a reduced  PFD. She opposed  cuts to                                                                   
public media and  the emergency communications  services. She                                                                   
wondered  where the  funds were  to  fund the  rehabilitation                                                                   
services.  She  spoke  against  the governor's  veto  of  the                                                                   
Ocean Ranger Program.  She supported a healthy  populace. She                                                                   
stressed that  services should come  first. She did  not want                                                                   
the PFD to put into the constitution.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:16:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAYLENE     PETERSON-NYREN,      SELF,     ANCHORAGE     (via                                                                   
teleconference),  spoke against  the  governor's vetoes.  She                                                                   
testified  against  the  administration's  cuts  to  Medicaid                                                                   
that would likely  result in further federal  reductions. She                                                                   
stressed that  a reduction of  $50 million in  Medicaid could                                                                   
result  in  a cut  of  $150 million.  The  governor's  vetoes                                                                   
would have a  lasting negative impact on the  state's economy                                                                   
and elders and children.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:19:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  SANDONAL, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  testified  in support  of                                                                   
the  committee's work.  He asked  legislators  in Wasilla  to                                                                   
please   return   to   Juneau.    He   was   represented   by                                                                   
Representative  Laddie Shaw.  He was  supportive of  limiting                                                                   
the  PFD, which  he believed  was responsible.  He asked  the                                                                   
legislature to stand up to the governor.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:21:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE  DENNIS,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE,   supported  the  bill.  She                                                                   
shared that she  had worked in the nonprofit  social services                                                                   
since  the  1980s.  She  spoke in  support  of  services  for                                                                   
children.  She shared  information about  the nonprofit  that                                                                   
worked with  at-risk children. Her  agency no longer  had any                                                                   
room to cut due  to past cuts in recent years.  She explained                                                                   
the cuts  would result in laying  off staff and  would reduce                                                                   
services provided  to youths. The organization  matched funds                                                                   
with fundraising  efforts in the community.  The organization                                                                   
had  been  told the  cuts  had  nothing  to do  with  program                                                                   
outcomes.  She  stressed  that   many  of  the  children  had                                                                   
suffered  trauma including  sexual  abuse.  She implored  the                                                                   
committee to not forget about Alaskan children.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:23:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON FIFER, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, testified in  support of the                                                                   
bill. He  supported a  compromised PFD  that would  allow for                                                                   
state services.  He stressed support for funding  the capital                                                                   
budget  in  order  to avoid  losing  $1  billion  in  federal                                                                   
matching  funds.  He opposed  the  oil  tax giveaway  and  an                                                                   
income  tax.  He  asked  the  committee  to  do  things  that                                                                   
benefitted  its voters.  He stressed the  problem was  giving                                                                   
to the rich and taking from the poor.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:25:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SKYLAR   QUIN,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE,  was   in  favor   of  the                                                                   
legislation. He  believed the  governor's cuts went  too far.                                                                   
He wondered  what individuals  were sacrificing who  wanted a                                                                   
$3,000 PFD. He was in favor of a reduced PFD.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:26:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT O'HARA, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, supported the bill.  She shared                                                                   
information about  her history  in Alaska. She  stressed that                                                                   
Alaska was  a wonderful place  to live. Her children  had all                                                                   
gone to  UAA. She opposed all  of the governor's  vetoes. She                                                                   
wanted  to leave  a legacy  for  her children  so they  could                                                                   
benefit and thrive.  She thought the cuts were  based on fear                                                                   
and ignorance.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:29:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANN-LILLIAN  SCHELL,  SELF,  KASILOF   (via  teleconference),                                                                   
testified in  support of the  legislation. She  spoke against                                                                   
the governor's  vetoes. She  was a  former state employee  of                                                                   
over  20  years.  She  supported  a  compromise  budget.  She                                                                   
stressed  that  the  state  could  lose  substantial  federal                                                                   
matching funds.  She supported  a reduced PFD.  She supported                                                                   
an income tax.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:31:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEITH  MONTGOMERY,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke in  favor of the bill.  He thought the cuts  would hurt                                                                   
everyday  Alaskans   and  thought  Alaskans  would   die.  He                                                                   
believed Alaskans  had legitimate  concerns about  the state.                                                                   
He had  attended UAA.  He wanted  to know  that senators  and                                                                   
representatives  needed to  look out  for everyday  Alaskans.                                                                   
He was  supportive of an  override of the governor's  vetoes.                                                                   
He  did  not understand  why  the  governor  would  sacrifice                                                                   
Alaskan jobs.  He pointed  to a  substantial loss  in federal                                                                   
funds. He  did not believe  the PFD should  be a part  of the                                                                   
conversation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:34:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOPE  FINKELSTEIN,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  thanked  the  committee                                                                   
members  for  being   present.  She  was  heartened   by  the                                                                   
legislation.  She  asked  the   legislature  to  restore  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.   She  thanked  the  committee   for  the                                                                   
opportunity to speak.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:36:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIZ SHINE,  SELF, ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in support  of the bill. She  opposed the governor's  cuts to                                                                   
the University and  K-12 education. She believed  stated that                                                                   
if oil  companies were  valued more  than residents  it would                                                                   
result in  devastating results.  She supported a  restoration                                                                   
of vetoed funds.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:38:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  SKORCZEWSKI, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  spoke  in support  of                                                                   
the bill.  He was  opposed to  the hatchet  cuts made  to the                                                                   
budget  by the  administration. He  wanted to  love the  PFD,                                                                   
but  did   not  want  to   eviscerate  public   services.  He                                                                   
suggested  rolling back oil  tax credits.  He was  opposed to                                                                   
the  elimination of  programs  that did  not  cost the  state                                                                   
money. He supported an income tax.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:41:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LESA HOLLEW,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  spoke in  favor of  the bill.                                                                   
She was  opposed to  the governor's  vetoes. She shared  that                                                                   
she was a scientist  doing research. She was  opposed to cuts                                                                   
to  Medicaid  preventative  dental   services.  She  provided                                                                   
information about mouth disease.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:44:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTI MEYN, SELF,  ANCHORAGE, shared that she  had attended                                                                   
the University  and that  cuts to  the University  would lead                                                                   
to youth  leaving the state.  She opposed cuts  to vulnerable                                                                   
populations  in  Alaska.  She  understood  that  PFDs  helped                                                                   
families,  but she  believed a  reduced  PFD needed  to be  a                                                                   
part of the solution. She supported an income tax.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TARA  DEVLIN, SELF,  ANCHORAGE,  testified  in  favor of  the                                                                   
bill. She  shared that  she worked  for the Anchorage  School                                                                   
District. She  provided information  about her education  she                                                                   
had received  out of  state -  she had  not wanted  to leave,                                                                   
but she  came back. She read  a poem about her  experience in                                                                   
the classroom and schools. She thanked the committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:48:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SANDY HARPER,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  opposed  cuts to the  Alaska                                                                   
State Council  on the  Arts. She  believed the proposed  cuts                                                                   
had a dire  impact on programs  that had been the  spirit and                                                                   
history of the  people of Alaska. She supported  investing in                                                                   
the potential  of individuals  and educational  opportunities                                                                   
for  all.  She  did not  think  the  governor's  vetoes  were                                                                   
rational   or   thoughtful.   She   reported   that   another                                                                   
individual  supported restoring  the  governor's vetoes.  She                                                                   
thanked the committee for doing its job.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:50:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JILL GRIFFIN, SELF,  WASILLA, opposed the bill.  She reported                                                                   
she  had  never had  an  opportunity  to  go to  Juneau.  She                                                                   
believed  there were 38  legislators who  were not  following                                                                   
the  state  laws.  She  stressed that  the  PFD  belonged  to                                                                   
Alaskans.  She spoke  in  support of  a  capital budget.  She                                                                   
stated  that  people   would  die  if  the   roads  were  not                                                                   
maintained.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:54:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIA  GREENFIELD, SELF,  EAGLE  RIVER,  supported the  bill.                                                                   
She reported she  was a graduate of UAF. She  and her husband                                                                   
had   returned  to   Alaska   because   of  the   educational                                                                   
opportunities.  She  enjoyed the  opportunities  afforded  by                                                                   
the state  including the outdoors  and the arts.  She opposed                                                                   
the  governor's  vetoes.  She believed  the  legislature  had                                                                   
worked hard  to come up with  a compromise budget.  She urged                                                                   
the legislature to meet in the same location.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:57:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL ZORB,  SELF, FAIRBANKS  (via teleconference),  Testified                                                                   
in  opposition  to the  bill.  He  supported  a full  PFD  of                                                                   
$3,000.  He  supported  the  governor   and  his  vetoes.  He                                                                   
reported the governor  had elected the governor  to bring the                                                                   
state's budget  in line.  He stated that  even if  the vetoes                                                                   
stood the  state would be facing  a $600 million  deficit. He                                                                   
believed  the  legislature  was  stealing from  the  PFD.  He                                                                   
elaborated  that  the  state   already  received  oil  taxes,                                                                   
corporate taxes, and other.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:00:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HELEN  NIENHUESER,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                   
supported  the legislation  and  at most  a  $1,600 PFD.  She                                                                   
emphatically  opposed a  $3,000 PFD.  She stressed the  state                                                                   
could not  afford a PFD of  that amount unless an  income tax                                                                   
was implemented.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:02:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL LORD, SELF,  HOMER (via teleconference),  testified in                                                                   
support of  the legislation.  She did  not believe  the words                                                                   
equated  to a  vision  for the  state.  She  did not  support                                                                   
massive cuts  to the budget. She  believed using the  PFD was                                                                   
responsible.  She  stressed  that   state  services  impacted                                                                   
hundreds of thousands  of people. She was in  full support of                                                                   
the bill  and a reduced  PFD. She  thanked the committee  for                                                                   
its  work. She  appreciated  the  transparency  in the  state                                                                   
capital that could be viewed on Gavel to Gavel.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:06:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROXANN   DAYTON,   SELF,   WASILLA    (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported the bill.  She shared that she had  moved to Alaska                                                                   
in  the  early  1980s.  She  had   graduated  from  UAF.  She                                                                   
supported  the   University  and  the  Washington,   Wyoming,                                                                   
Alaska,  Montana, and  Idaho  (WWAMI) program.  She  believed                                                                   
the governor was  working for outside interests  and reported                                                                   
that   the   OMB   director  had   a   history   of   cutting                                                                   
universities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:07:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON  GRAY,  SELF,  FAIRBANKS   (via  teleconference),  shared                                                                   
information   about   his   lifetime   in  Alaska   and   his                                                                   
affiliations.  He stated  the bill capitalized  the  fund and                                                                   
did not  lapse; it was also  a special appropriation  for the                                                                   
payment of  a PFD. He thought  it was generous.  He discussed                                                                   
that  former Governor  Hammond  had realized  saving for  the                                                                   
future. He spoke  to the importance of the  schools and court                                                                   
system.  He  pointed   out  that  property  taxes   paid  for                                                                   
services.  He discussed  that much  of the  work to  maintain                                                                   
roads and  aviation came from  federal money. The  cuts would                                                                   
mean  the  state   would  lose  out  on  federal   funds.  He                                                                   
highlighted  cuts to Medicaid.  He stressed  the state  had a                                                                   
representative   government.   He  thought   abolishing   the                                                                   
state's income  tax in the 1980s  was a mistake. He  would be                                                                   
happy to return  to an income tax. He believed  a penny saved                                                                   
was a  penny earned.  He asked  the legislature  to keep  the                                                                   
state open  for business. He  thought the legislature  should                                                                   
continue to  be responsible. The  legislative branch  was the                                                                   
authority in terms  of appropriating money. He  did not agree                                                                   
with the vetoes made by the governor.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:13:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHNATHON  GORDAOFF,  SELF,  WASILLA   (via  teleconference),                                                                   
shared that  he is Aleut  and provided information  about his                                                                   
family  in Alaska.  He  supported the  full  PFD. He  thought                                                                   
using the  PFD would  sell the future  of Alaskans  short. He                                                                   
thought the  legislature was  taking the  lazy way  to remove                                                                   
the  birthright  of  the  PFD  from children  to  pay  for  a                                                                   
bloated  budget.  He thought  the  legislature  did not  care                                                                   
about the  citizens of the  state. He stated  that government                                                                   
money brought  special  interests that  did not always  align                                                                   
with the  interests of  citizens. He  suggested changing  the                                                                   
oil tax.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:16:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBETA  RINEHART,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported the bill.  She shared that she lived  in Vice-Chair                                                                   
Johnston's and  Senator Cathy Giessel's district.  She worked                                                                   
for the  University and spent  time with students  that would                                                                   
be dramatically impacted  by the budget. She  stressed that a                                                                   
healthy  university  meant  a   lot.  She  had  sympathy  for                                                                   
Alaskans who had  testified on the importance of  the PFD for                                                                   
their  families.  She  would   support  an  income  tax.  She                                                                   
supported a reduced PFD and reducing oil tax credits.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:18:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS PEARSON,  SELF, JUNEAU (via teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in support  of the  legislation. He  stressed the  importance                                                                   
for  a  compromise for  the  good  of  the state.  He  shared                                                                   
information  about his  move  to Alaska  in  2011. He  shared                                                                   
that he had  made a social contract with the  state. Everyone                                                                   
who lived  in the state had  made a commitment to  Alaska. He                                                                   
had been  a public servant  in Juneau  since his move  to the                                                                   
state. He  worked to try  to make lives  better; many  of the                                                                   
jobs relied on  government funding. He thanked  the committee                                                                   
work its work  on the budget that represented  compromise. He                                                                   
was  opposed   to  the  governor's   line  item   vetoes.  He                                                                   
underscored that  every day that went by without  funding was                                                                   
tarnishing the state's reputation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:22:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ED  MARTIN,  SELF, ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),  opposed                                                                   
the  bill.  He  thought  there  were too  many  egos  in  the                                                                   
legislature and  perhaps the governor's office.  He asked the                                                                   
legislature to  get its act  together. He supported  the PFD.                                                                   
He stressed  that property  rights were extremely  important.                                                                   
He did  not believe  the people  would allow the  legislature                                                                   
to  take the  money from  the PFD  if there  was an  advisory                                                                   
vote.  He  suggested alternative  revenue  options  including                                                                   
land sales.  He wanted the committee  to meet in  Wasilla. He                                                                   
thought the legislature was a dismal failure.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:26:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAWN  WALSH, SELF,  DOUGLAS  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
strong  support of  the bill.  She shared  that her  business                                                                   
employed  10  individuals  in  Anchorage.  The  business  had                                                                   
experienced  the  impacts  of recession.  She  was  extremely                                                                   
concerned about  the possibility of another  recession. There                                                                   
were  numerous  things  that  were  out  of  the  control  of                                                                   
businesses,  but  restoring  the  cuts were  in  the  state's                                                                   
control. She  shared that she  and her children  had attended                                                                   
the University.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  reviewed the schedule for the  following day                                                                   
in  Wasilla.  He  RECESSED the  meeting  [note:  the  meeting                                                                   
never reconvened].                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                

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