Legislature(2017 - 2018)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/13/2017 01:30 PM FINANCE

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01:49:57 PM Start
01:50:29 PM SB30
02:28:06 PM HB90 HOUSE BILL NO. 90
03:10:36 PM HB6
03:33:09 PM HB31
03:37:05 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Delayed to 1:45 PM --
+ HB 31 SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAMINATION KITS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 90 OCC. LICENSING FEES; INVESTIGATION COSTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 30 APPROVAL: ROYALTY OIL SALE TO PETRO STAR TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 6 JONESVILLE PUBLIC USE AREA TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 6                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act establishing the Jonesville Public Use Area."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:10:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL  BREESE,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  GEORGE  RAUSCHER,                                                                    
explained  the legislation.  He reported  that the  area was                                                                    
north  of Sutton  and was  historically a  coal mining  area                                                                    
from  1919  to  1977.  The   bill  would  establish  the  11                                                                    
thousand-acre Jonesville  Public Use  Area and  maintain its                                                                    
popular  recreational opportunities  for Alaskans.  The bill                                                                    
would  protect,   maintain,  enhance,  and   perpetuate  the                                                                    
present use  of the  area for year-round  public recreation,                                                                    
migratory waterfowl nesting areas  and habitats for fish and                                                                    
wildlife,  and other  uses.  He noted  that  along with  the                                                                    
popular  uses  negative  activities were  happening  in  the                                                                    
unmanaged area. Burning cars,  illegal activity, and gunfire                                                                    
causing  stray bullets  were reoccurring  events. He  shared                                                                    
that a death had taken place  in the area in the prior year.                                                                    
The  people  of  the  Sutton Community  Council  coined  the                                                                    
phrase "Mad Max  Theater" to describe the  activities in the                                                                    
area. The Sutton Community Council  and the Chickaloon Tribe                                                                    
had  worked to  remove thousands  of pounds  of garbage  and                                                                    
abandoned vehicles from  the area. The groups  had worked to                                                                    
develop  a  compromise for  the  land  use by  creating  the                                                                    
Public  Use Area  (PUA). The  area would  allow for  all the                                                                    
proper  uses  of  the area  that  included  hiking,  biking,                                                                    
camping,  ATV  use,  etc.  He  noted  that  a  petition  was                                                                    
included  in the  committee  member's  packets ["A  Petition                                                                    
Regarding  Jonesville\Slipper Lake  Area"  (copy on  file)].                                                                    
The goal  was to  move forward to  create a  safe recreation                                                                    
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  wondered why  an agreement  could not                                                                    
be made  between the Department  of Natural  Resources (DNR)                                                                    
and  Mat-Su.  Mr.  Breese  deferred   the  question  to  the                                                                    
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:15:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRENT  GOODRUM,  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  MINING,  LAND  AND                                                                    
WATER,    DEPARTMENT     OF    NATURAL     RESOURCES    (via                                                                    
teleconference),  replied  that   by  establishing  an  area                                                                    
merely  through an  agreement the  department  would not  be                                                                    
able to  adopt regulations for enforcement.  The legislation                                                                    
authorized  DNR  to  adopt  and  enforce  restrictions  that                                                                    
curtailed undesirable activities.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson referred to the  DNR fiscal note, FN 4                                                                    
(DNR). She read from the analysis:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The department would need to develop the management                                                                        
     plan with existing staff resources.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  noted   that  the  analysis  further                                                                    
stated  that  was  unlikely  to happen  due  to  costs.  She                                                                    
understood  that  the   Matanuska-Susitna  (Mat-Su)  Borough                                                                    
would undertake the obligation.  The fiscal notes were zero,                                                                    
consequently, DNR lacked funding  for writing the management                                                                    
plan   and  regulations,   enforcement,  or   policing.  She                                                                    
wondered what the  current benefits of the  bill was without                                                                    
funding attached. She surmised  that the Borough could write                                                                    
the  management plan.  Mr. Goodrum  answered the  department                                                                    
would  work  closely with  other  local  partners to  enlist                                                                    
help.  He indicated  that  DNR had  the  ability to  develop                                                                    
plans, but the current workload  and queue of projects ahead                                                                    
of Jonesville PUA was long.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  requested more  information regarding                                                                    
the Knik  River Public Use  Area. She cited the  fiscal note                                                                    
analysis  stating  that   enforcement  regulation  would  be                                                                    
similar to the Knik River  PUA. She believed that the Mat-Su                                                                    
did  not want  a lot  of government  regulation. Mr.  Breese                                                                    
answered that the  Knik River PUA was in  the Mat-Su Borough                                                                    
and the  regulations would be  similar. He related  that the                                                                    
community  would be  accepting  of  similar regulations.  He                                                                    
reiterated that  it was  necessary to  establish the  PUA to                                                                    
begin work on the management plan.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton pointed to a  document [unknown] in the bill                                                                    
packet that referred  to the ability of  the Commissioner of                                                                    
DNR to  appoint one of  the department's employees  or other                                                                    
individual as  a Peace  Officer for the  PUA. He  asked what                                                                    
was  envisioned  as  the  work of  the  Peace  Officer.  Mr.                                                                    
Goodrum answered  that DNR had  a rigorous  training program                                                                    
for  its   employees  that  resulted  in   a  Peace  Officer                                                                    
certification.  Many Peace  Officers were  operating in  the                                                                    
Knik  River  PUA.  In  addition,   state  troopers  had  the                                                                    
authority  to  enforce   DNR  regulations.  Co-Chair  Seaton                                                                    
remarked that currently the Department  of Revenue (DOR) and                                                                    
Department  of  Public Safety  (DPS)  entered  into a  joint                                                                    
agreement  and transferred  authority to  8 DOR  enforcement                                                                    
officers  to carry  firearms. He  asked whether  DNR program                                                                    
was  similar. Mr.  Goodrum replied  that the  department had                                                                    
certain park rangers who were  able to carry weapons. He was                                                                    
not  aware  of  public  use  area  peace  officers  carrying                                                                    
weapons. He  reported that the  peace officers  were trained                                                                    
to  interact  with  and educate  the  public  regarding  the                                                                    
regulations.  Co-Chair  Seaton  requested a  memo  from  the                                                                    
department  about its  intentions  related  to firearms  and                                                                    
peace officers for the PUA.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:23:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki  referred to the first  paragraph of                                                                    
DNR's fiscal note analysis that  mentioned the long queue of                                                                    
other projects  ahead of  the Jonesville  PUA. He  asked for                                                                    
clarification.  He  wanted  the  legislation  to  accomplish                                                                    
something. Mr.  Goodrum answered that the  challenge was the                                                                    
amount  of  work  and  the   number  of  current  staff.  He                                                                    
explained that the reason the  fiscal note was zero was that                                                                    
the project  was far  off in the  queue. He  reiterated that                                                                    
DNR  was  looking for  other  local  partners to  help  with                                                                    
development with the plan.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Seaton asked  whether  nothing  will happen  until                                                                    
2023. Mr. Goodrum replied in the affirmative.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki looked at  the fiscal notes from the                                                                    
establishment of  the Knik River  PUA in 2006. He  noted the                                                                    
initial  cost of  roughly $400  thousand.  He believed  that                                                                    
costs   would  be   associated  with   the  development   of                                                                    
Jonesville PUA.  He wondered about  the cost  of enforcement                                                                    
related to Knik River Public  Use Area and observed that the                                                                    
fiscal note  cited a  Reimbursable Services  Agreement (RSA)                                                                    
for  enforcement. Mr.  Goodrum answered  that in  the FY  17                                                                    
budget,  $125,000 had  been allocated  to  the troopers  for                                                                    
enforcement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Guttenberg  asked   about  the   difference                                                                    
between a  PUA and multi-use recreational  area. Mr. Goodrum                                                                    
replied that a PUA allowed  DNR to establish enforcement for                                                                    
the area. A multi-use area was general state land.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton  noted that Representatives  George Rauscher                                                                    
and Geran Tarr had joined the audience.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg asked  whether a  trooper or  law                                                                    
enforcement officer  was required and  who paid for  it. Mr.                                                                    
Goodrum  replied that  due  to  enforcement regulations  and                                                                    
associated bail fees for PUA  areas, and resources available                                                                    
to compensate  state troopers,  the troopers  enforced PUAs.                                                                    
He added  that on general state  land it was less  likely to                                                                    
obtain trooper support due to the size of the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:29:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  stated  that for  years  he  had                                                                    
tried to establish a recreational  area. He reported that he                                                                    
was  unable to  dissuade  the  State Parks  to  back off  on                                                                    
providing an armed  officer, even though the  public did not                                                                    
want one.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  inquired whether  the Mat-Su  and DNR                                                                    
could   enter  into   an  agreement   granting  Mat-Su   the                                                                    
responsibility  for   developing  the  management   plan  to                                                                    
eliminate DNR's funding needs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GEORGE  RAUSCHER, SPONSOR, answered  that the                                                                    
Mat-Su Borough  strongly supported the bill.  He referred to                                                                    
a letter  from the Mat-Su Borough  planning department (copy                                                                    
on file) that strongly supported  development of the PUA. He                                                                    
related that the  bill development lasted for  over one year                                                                    
and involved the  borough, public, and all  user groups. The                                                                    
borough was thoroughly committed  to the project through its                                                                    
completion. He  reiterated that the process  required that a                                                                    
PUA was  established to  develop the  plan, however  DNR did                                                                    
not have to write the plan; only approve it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Seaton noted  that public  testimony would  remain                                                                    
open.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB  6   was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee   for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 31 Support Documents PKT.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 31
HB31 - CSHB 31 Workdraft version J.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 31
HB31 Additional Document ADN Crimes & Reports 2.13.17.PDF HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 31
HB31 Additional Document Tracking Kit Software 2.13.17.PDF HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 31
HB 006 MSB Assembly Jim Sykes Draft Resolution.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB 006 Supporing Document MSB Support Resolution.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB 6 sponsor statement.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-ADN Article.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-DNR Petition.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Frontiersman Editorial.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Jonesville Action Plan.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-KTUU Article.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Lynne Woods letter.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Map of Area.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-MSB Letter.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Sutton Resolution.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
SB 30 Best Interest Finding.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 30
SB 30 PSI Letter of Support for RIK Bill.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 30
SB 30 Report from Royalty Board.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 30
SB 30 Royalty Board Resolution.PDF HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 30
SB 30 Transmittal Letter.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 30
SB30 PPT to HFIN - 03.13.2017.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
SB 30
HB090 Sectional Analysis 020817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Sponsor Statement 020817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Supporting Document - Board License Action Options 020817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Supporting Document - CBPL Investigative Process 020817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Supporting Document - CBPL Program Fees and Investigation Cost Comparison 022817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Supporting Document - Licensing Statistics 020817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Supporting Document - Summary of All Professional Licensing 020817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Supporting Documents - Letters of Opposition 022817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB090 Supporting Documents - Letters of Support 022817.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB31 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 31
HB31- Explaination of Changes.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 31
HB 6 Explanation of Changes.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6
HB90 Opposition Document - Letter 3.14.17.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 90
HB 6 - Administration Letter of Support-signed.pdf HFIN 3/13/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 6