Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

04/26/2005 01:30 PM FINANCE


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Heard & Held
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Moved CSHB 275(FIN) Out of Committee
HOUSE BILL NO. 53                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     An  Act relating  to  child-in-need-of-aid  proceedings;                                                                   
     amending  the  construction  of statutes  pertaining  to                                                                   
     children  in  need  of  aid;  relating  to  a  duty  and                                                                   
     standard of care for services  to children and families;                                                                   
     amending  court  hearing   procedures  to  allow  public                                                                   
     attendance    at    child-in-need-of-aid    proceedings;                                                                   
     establishing a  right to a trial by jury  in termination                                                                   
     of  parental  rights  proceedings;   reestablishing  and                                                                   
     relating to state and local  citizens' review panels for                                                                   
     certain  child custody  matters;  amending  the duty  to                                                                   
     disclose information  pertaining to  a child in  need of                                                                   
     aid; establishing a distribution  age for permanent fund                                                                   
     dividends  held in trust  for a  child committed  to the                                                                   
     custody   of  the  Department   of  Health   and  Social                                                                   
     Services;  mandating  reporting  of  the  medication  of                                                                   
     children  in state  custody; prescribing  the rights  of                                                                   
     grandparents related to child-in-  need-of-aid cases and                                                                   
     establishing  a  grandparent  priority for  adoption  in                                                                   
     certain child- in-need-of-aid  cases; modifying adoption                                                                   
     and placement  procedures in certain  child-in- need-of-                                                                   
     aid cases;  amending treatment service  requirements for                                                                   
     parents  involved in  child-in-need-of-aid  proceedings;                                                                   
     amending  Rules 3 and  18, Alaska Child  in Need  of Aid                                                                   
     Rules  of  Procedure;  and providing  for  an  effective                                                                   
     date.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  MOVED  to ADOPT  Amendment  #1,  which                                                                   
would insert  "court records"  on Page 1,  Line 3.   (Copy on                                                                   
File).  Co-Chair Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
RYNNIEVA  MOSS,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  JOHN  COGHILL,  noted                                                                   
that  the amendment  added language  to  the title.   It  was                                                                   
important that the  title states concise.  The  court records                                                                   
were modified in Sections 18 & 19.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:45:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #1 was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:45:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  MOVED to ADOPT Amendment  #2.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft explained  the  amendment would  insert                                                                   
language on  Page 5, "to  the fullest extent  consistent with                                                                   
the  child's best  interests".   (Copy  on File).   Ms.  Moss                                                                   
concurred, pointed  out that also had been a  concern for the                                                                   
Department of Law.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #2 was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:47:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  MOVED to ADOPT Amendment  #3.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moss explained  that the amendment would  add language on                                                                   
Page  7,  Line  7,  "or  whose   safety  or  welfare  may  be                                                                   
endangered by public release of  such information".  (Copy on                                                                   
File).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #3 was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:47:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  MOVED to  ADOPT  Amendment #4,  which                                                                   
would delete all  material on Page 7, Lines 14-20.   (Copy on                                                                   
File).  Co-Chair Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JULIE  LUCKY,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER,  explained  the                                                                   
amendment,  recommending a  policy call  by the Committee  to                                                                   
determine  whether  child-in-need-of-aid hearings  should  be                                                                   
open to  the public.  She  resisted sharing that  information                                                                   
and recommended an opinion from Department of Law.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:51:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  questioned whether  public  disclosure                                                                   
could  be  better.   He  asked  if  confidentiality  protects                                                                   
children.   Ms.  Lucky shared  her opinion  regarding how  it                                                                   
affects children at risk.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:52:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker noted that  the crux of  the amendment                                                                   
addresses  the  language  of  the  bill,  making  the  public                                                                   
hearing   process   open   to   the   public   and   limiting                                                                   
confidentiality.    The  proposed  language  provides  strong                                                                   
"affirmative"  duty  that the  public  may not  disclose  any                                                                   
information from  a hearing by making it a  misdemeanor crime                                                                   
to violate that.  He thought that  could be a bright line for                                                                   
an innocent child.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:54:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Moss  noted  that  the  Sponsor  was  in  opposition  to                                                                   
Amendment #4.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:55:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAN  RUTHERDALE, ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY  GENERAL, DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
LAW, related her  experience in drafting the  bill during the                                                                   
task  force.   A  lot  of time  was  spent on  balancing  the                                                                   
privacy rights of the child with  the benefits of opening the                                                                   
hearings.     It  was  determined   that  the   provision  of                                                                   
Subsection (F),  Section 10 was  important and  the amendment                                                                   
proposes  to modify  that section.   The  protections of  not                                                                   
disclosing  the child's  name,  plus requiring  the court  to                                                                   
notify  everyone.   Subject to  the  court's sanctions,  that                                                                   
would violate the order.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rutherdale  addressed questions  about the studies.   She                                                                   
said the system  is broken with so little funding  going into                                                                   
that system and by opening the  hearings, would be one way to                                                                   
obtain  necessary changes.   Several  states  have opened  up                                                                   
hearings without  problems.   There are already  restrictions                                                                   
in place.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:00:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSH FINK,  (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE),  PUBLIC ADVOCATE,                                                                   
OFFICE OF  PUBLIC ADVOCACY  (OPA), ANCHORAGE, concurred  with                                                                   
comments  made by  Ms.  Moss that  they  support the  current                                                                   
language  in  the  bill.    He   related  history  of  public                                                                   
disclosure  and the importance  of that.   He voiced  concern                                                                   
with  Amendment  #4,  indicating that  public  discussion  is                                                                   
important with the need for "side boards".                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:02:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  referred  to  the last  line  of  that                                                                   
section.  He asked  if a judge had experience  in a case with                                                                   
a reporter  who disclosed information  they should  not have,                                                                   
then  shouldn't  they  retain   the  power  to  exclude  that                                                                   
reporter from subsequent hearings.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:03:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Rutherdale    agreed   with   Representative    Croft's                                                                   
interpretation  that  the court  has  the  power to  close  a                                                                   
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Moss inquired  if Representative  Croft had  recommended                                                                   
any language.  Representative  Croft recommended deleting "in                                                                   
the case".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker WITHDREW Amendment #4.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:04:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  MOVED to  ADOPT  Amendment #5,  which                                                                   
would add  a conceptual amendment  on Page 11 to  Section 16.                                                                   
Co-Chair  Meyer  OBJECTED.    Ms.  Moss  indicated  that  the                                                                   
sponsor would have no problem with that language.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:05:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lucky spoke  to the  duty  of the  Department to  notify                                                                   
adult family members  while termination is happening.   There                                                                   
are  many families  where there  is a  cycle of  abuse.   The                                                                   
amendment would  not preclude the Department  from looking at                                                                   
a family member that might have had trouble in the past.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #5 was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:06:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  MOVED to ADOPT Amendment  #6.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:06:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rutherdale explained that  she had proposed the language.                                                                   
The  language  clarifies  that   the  parties  including  the                                                                   
parents have access  to agency records.  Currently,  a person                                                                   
would  have to  obtain  a court  order.   She  spoke to  that                                                                   
limitation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  asked if that had fallen  out of favor.                                                                   
Ms. Rutherdale  replied that the  language has fallen  out of                                                                   
favor, but the amendment has not.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #6 was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:07:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment #7.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rutherdale noted that she  had recommended the amendment,                                                                   
which would delete language on  Page 5, Line 24, "Guardian ad                                                                   
litem  appointed by  the  Court" and  insert  "a guardian  ad                                                                   
litem appointed by the court".                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft pointed out the need for renumbering.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #7 was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:09:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  MOVED to ADOPT Amendment  #8.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.    Rutherdale    explained   the    amendment    provides                                                                   
clarification  that caregivers include  a parent  or guardian                                                                   
of the  child.  The language  covers situations in  which the                                                                   
caregiver  should be  warned  regarding  information.   Often                                                                   
they  have no  connection with  OCS.   The proposed  language                                                                   
covers licensing and day care agencies.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault asked about  warning day care providers and                                                                   
if  the  language  would  apply to  only  licensed  day  care                                                                   
centers.   Ms.  Rutherdale replied  it  applies to  licensing                                                                   
agencies and to any caregiver  of a child.  If the person has                                                                   
control, they need to be warned to protect that child.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  mentioned a  felon doing  day care  in his                                                                   
area and  inquired  if the law  would apply  to that  person.                                                                   
Ms. Rutherdale advised  that OCS would need to  know about it                                                                   
in order  to provide  the warning  and would affect  anything                                                                   
regarding the child's safety.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  explained that  the  man  was accused  of                                                                   
kidnapping 15-years  ago and currently,  he is  providing day                                                                   
care out  of his home.     He  cares for only  four children,                                                                   
under  the  number to  require  a  license.   Ms.  Rutherdale                                                                   
responded it would cover that situation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #8 was adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:14:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  MOVED to ADOPT Amendment  #9.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moss  indicated that  the amendment  addresses a  concern                                                                   
regarding  multiple  children  with multiple  fathers.    She                                                                   
added that  grammatically  the sentence  needs to delete  the                                                                   
second comma.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker MOVED a  friendly amendment  to delete                                                                   
the second  comma.   There being  NO OBJECTION, Amendment  #9                                                                   
was amended.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, amended Amendment #9 was adopted.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:15:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment #10.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Moss  explained   that  the   amendment  addresses   an                                                                   
oversight.   Additionally, the  word "member" was left out in                                                                   
the insert of Section ©.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  MOVED to AMEND Amendment  #10 with the                                                                   
addition of that language.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
amended.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, amended Amendment #10 was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:16:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment #11.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rutherdale explained  that  the amendment  would  insert                                                                   
language on  Page 20, Line  29, following "child",  "under AS                                                                   
47.10.088(i) or  under (e) of  this section".    The language                                                                   
clarifies  that  the  paragraph   refers  to  both  sections,                                                                   
identifying adoptive placement homes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #11 was adopted.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:18:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment #12.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moss advised that Amendment  #12 would delete language on                                                                   
Page  21, Line  23:  "and shall  be  closed  to the  public",                                                                   
because the  purpose of  the bill is  to open proceedings  to                                                                   
the public.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft asked if  they were closed to the public                                                                   
before.   Ms. Moss  said no  and that  the language  had been                                                                   
taken from other federal statutes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.   There  being  NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #12 was adopted.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:19:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment #13.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moss explained that the original  language mandated audio                                                                   
and videotaping.   That could create  a burden for OCS  and a                                                                   
fiscal  note   if  for  some   reason  the  federal   dollars                                                                   
disappear.  The requested language  would be more permissive.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY  SANDOVAL,   (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),   ACTING                                                                   
DIRECTOR,  OFFICES OF CHILDREN'S  SERVICES (OCS),  DEPARTMENT                                                                   
OF HEALTH  & SOCIAL SERVICES,  ANCHORAGE, stated that  it was                                                                   
best  practice  to  have  children   audio  and  video  taped                                                                   
whenever possible,  but she  realized that  they do  not hold                                                                   
the purse strings to mandate that.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:20:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  said that  under  current  law, it  is                                                                   
permissive.   Amendment #13 establishes  a tiered  system for                                                                   
physical abuse.   Ms. Moss stated  that they did not  add the                                                                   
"shall" on Line 8.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft asked why  that was the best practice in                                                                   
certain cases  not severe  or sexual.   He asked why,  in the                                                                   
sexual  abuse  cases would  they  want  to create  a  "shall"                                                                   
standard.  Ms. Moss concurred  and agreed that would create a                                                                   
check and balance.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  asked if  an implication  was  created                                                                   
when using  "may" for severe  physical abuse and  "shall" for                                                                   
sexual abuse.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STACY KRALY,  ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT  OF LAW,                                                                   
agreed with the premise, however,  understood that "shall" on                                                                   
Line 8,  creates a  large fiscal impact  on OCS,  because the                                                                   
mandatory nature creates an obligation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sandoval  added that  adding "shall"  on Line 8  relieved                                                                   
their office.   She agreed,  however, it was  determined that                                                                   
having the  burden of that language  to transport a  child or                                                                   
interviewer would create difficult  costs.  She mentioned the                                                                   
best practice issue could be dealt with internally.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:25:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Croft  pointed   out   that  the   mentioned                                                                   
situation  could not be  feasible and  thought that  it could                                                                   
result in  trauma to the  child.  He  maintained that  it was                                                                   
"best   practices"   to   audio    and   videotape   victims,                                                                   
particularly sexually violated  victims and that it should be                                                                   
required.    He  suggested  that  on  Lines  5  &  6  of  the                                                                   
amendment, deleting language "alleging  severe physical abuse                                                                   
by a parent or caregiver".  He  preferred that all reports of                                                                   
harm  be  taped  but was  comfortable  with  it  being  those                                                                   
involved with sexual abuse.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kraly  agreed with the  "unless" phrase.   She reiterated                                                                   
that best  practice requires  a fiscal  note.  She  requested                                                                   
time  to determine  if  the change  would  work  with a  1985                                                                   
Supreme Court  case decision,  regarding requirements  that a                                                                   
police officer tape interviews with suspects.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft MOVED to  AMEND Amendment #13, Lines 5 &                                                                   
6, deleting  language  "alleging severe  physical abuse  by a                                                                   
parent or  caregiver".  Additionally,  Lines 8 &  9, deleting                                                                   
the phrase, "except  that an interview of a child  may not be                                                                   
videotaped  if"   and  insert  "unless".     There  being  NO                                                                   
OBJECTION to the amended language,  it was incorporated.  Ms.                                                                   
Moss indicated that the sponsor would support that change.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION,  to the  amendment.                                                                   
There being NO further OBJECTIONS,  amended Amendment #13 was                                                                   
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:30:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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Representative  Foster mentioned  that 15  years ago,  the 9                                                                    
Circuit Court made a judgment,  which was recently overturned                                                                   
because the right of the accused  was unable to cross-examine                                                                   
the tape.  He did not know the value of the amendment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rutherdale  explained that the  purpose of the  taping is                                                                   
to guarantee that  there is accurate information  coming from                                                                   
the child.  Generally, it is not used in court.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:32:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment #14.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Chenault OBJECTED.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moss  stated that  Amendment #14  defines child  advocacy                                                                   
centers and that  the State directs OCS to  utilize them when                                                                   
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault WITHDREW  his OBJECTION.   There  being NO                                                                   
further OBJECTION, Amendment #14 was adopted.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  pointed out an extra common  on Line 8.                                                                   
He MOVED  to AMEND Amendment #8  by deleting the  comma after                                                                   
"neglect".  There being NO OBJECTION, it was amended.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being  NO further OBJECTION,  amended Amendment  #8 was                                                                   
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:34:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer inquired the change to the fiscal note.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moss  responded that  she could  not provide an  accurate                                                                   
number  at this  time, noting  possible  lost federal  funds.                                                                   
OPA and the Public Defenders Office  have reduced their notes                                                                   
by approximately  66%.  Ms. Moss pointed out  the substantial                                                                   
increase for budgeting of front line workers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:36:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker voiced concern  passing a bill  out of                                                                   
the  House Finance  Committee  that  does not  indicate  true                                                                   
fiscal costs.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:37:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  referenced Section  38,  Page 21,  the                                                                   
panel  open  to the  public.    He voiced  concern  with  the                                                                   
confidentiality in Section 41  that the members and staff may                                                                   
not disclose.   He  thought that they  ought to have  similar                                                                   
obligations  as  those  listed  in  Section  10.    Ms.  Moss                                                                   
understood that was already covered.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Kraly  pointed   out  that   Section   41  contains   a                                                                   
confidentiality  provision that  has a restriction  regarding                                                                   
what can be divulged.  Representative  Croft read Section 41,                                                                   
"The members  and staff of the  State panel do  not discuss".                                                                   
Ms. Kraly  agreed with Representative Croft's  interpretation                                                                   
that if the meetings  were going to be open,  there should be                                                                   
a similar limitation to the individuals that attend.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:40:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Moss  said   she   was   under  the   understood   that                                                                   
confidentiality  would be created  for any  child-in-need-of-                                                                   
aid    proceedings.       Representative   Croft    requested                                                                   
reconsideration  on Page  7, regarding  a person attending  a                                                                   
hearing.  Ms.  Rutherdale advised that Page 7  does not apply                                                                   
to the Citizen's Review Panel.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment #15a  on Page                                                                   
22,  Line 15,  "a person  attending  a hearing  of the  State                                                                   
panel and" before "members".    Ms. Moss indicated that would                                                                   
be okay.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment #15a was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:42:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sandoval  reported on the  reworking of the  fiscal notes                                                                   
and removing  the jury trial.   The Division has  reduced the                                                                   
notes to just over $200 thousand dollars.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer stated  that HB 53 would be  HELD in Committee                                                                   
for further consideration of the fiscal notes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE:        3:44:10 PM                                                                                                    
RECONVENE:      3:52:31 PM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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