Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/09/2001 01:41 PM FIN

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                   STATEWIDE TELECONFERENCE                                                                                   
               HB 103-APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET                                                                                
             HB 104-APPROP:  MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                             
                  Juneau, Mat-Su & Anchorage                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 22nd Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 22nd Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
 LOG SPEAKER                DISCUSSION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 00 - 40                                                                                                        
      SIDE A                                                                                                                  
 000 Co-Chair Mulder        Opened the House Finance Committee                                                                  
                            meeting on the statewide                                                                            
                            teleconferencing, noting that each                                                                  
                            testifier was requested to limit their                                                              
                            testimony to two minutes.  He added that                                                            
                            each person could direct their comments                                                             
                            in support or opposition to the proposed                                                            
                            changes to the operating budget bill.                                                             
 21   KEN DEAN - JUNEAU     Testified in support of the $90 thousand                                                            
                            dollar increment for the Independent                                                                
                            Living component.                                                                                 
 404 LARRY DUFFY, CHAIR, Testified in support of full funding for                                                               
      FACULTY ALLIANCE -    the University of Alaska.                                                                         
      JUNEAU                                                                                                                    
 510 MARLA LIPPARD,         Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      CLINICAL DIRECTOR,    request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
     GASTINEAU HUMAN       abuse programs. Jail does not work.                                                                
      SERVICES - JUNEAU                                                                                                         
 750 MIKE WENTZ - JUNEAU Testified in support of the Governor's                                                               
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            abuse programs.                                                                                   
1000 ELVA BONTRAGER,        Spoke in support of funding for historic                                                            
      CARETAKER, HOUSE OF buildings in the Division of Parks.                                                                 
      WICKERSHAM - JUNEAU                                                                                                       
1116 MARY LOU SPARTZ -      Testified in support of funding for the                                                             
      JUNEAU                deferred maintenance budget in the                                                                  
                            Division of Parks.                                                                                
1259 DANNY MARTIN -         Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      JUNEAU                request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            abuse programs.                                                                                   
1561 BILL LEGERE - JUNEAU Testified in support of full funding for                                                              
                            the public broadcasting satellite system.                                                         
1639 Representative         Questioned the affects of the proposed                                                              
      Hudson                funding cuts.                                                                                     
1689 Representative         Noted the $1 million dollars it would                                                               
      Hudson                cost to lease the transponder.  He asked                                                            
                            if without funding, would the services                                                              
                            could be discontinued.                                                                            
1697 VENIETIA SANTANA -     Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
1758 Vice-Chair Bunde       Suggested that students would still leave                                                           
                            the state.                                                                                        
1815 MS. SANTANA            Felt that the university would be more                                                              
                            competitive if programs were improved.                                                            
1871 JANET FORBES -         Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      JUNEAU                request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
2068 Representative         Clarified that the funding for alcohol                                                              
      Harris                treatment had not been reduced. He stated                                                           
                            that the Subcommittee had not approved                                                              
                            the requested increments.                                                                         
2132 Representative Croft  Observed that the speaker was referring                                                              
                            to the $2 million in alcohol and drug                                                               
                            abuse grants that were recommended by the                                                           
                            Governor and were not funded.                                                                     
2152 Co-Chair Mulder        Suggested that funds may be available                                                               
                            through a bill with a fiscal note.                                                                
2187 MS. SANTANA            Maintained that the program has been                                                                
                            reduced.                                                                                          
2204 Representative         Spoke in support of the program. He                                                                 
      Hudson                thought that the program has grown. He                                                              
                            suggested that Ms. Santana provide                                                                  
                            information on the program's successes.                                                           
2271 SUSAN BRYSON -         Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska. She responded                                                             
                            to comments regarding the loss of                                                                   
                            students in Alaska. She maintained that                                                             
                            the major reason for the loss of students                                                           
                            were the lack of classes in their field.                                                          
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 01 - 40,                                                                                                       
      SIDE B                                                                                                                  
 24   TIA ANDERSON -        Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 187 DEAN LUMMIS - JUNEAU Testified in support of the Governor's                                                                
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 420 BROWNE WILLARD -       Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      JUNEAU                request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 691 Representative         Pointed out that the State spends a great                                                           
      Harris                deal of funds on drug and alcohol                                                                   
                            programs ($37 million dollars).                                                                   
 741 JODIE RUMPH - JUNEAU Testified in support of the Infant                                                                    
                            Learning Program.                                                                                 
 1019 Representative Croft  Asked if the program had requested $700                                                             
                            thousand dollar.                                                                                  
 1038 Ms. Rumph             Advised that was correct and that the                                                               
                            therapy would educate the parents.                                                                
 1154 TOM BOUTIN - JUNEAU Voiced appreciation for the Committee                                                                 
                            "holding" the line over the previous                                                                
                            years.  He commented on the missions and                                                            
                            measures and suggested that perhaps it                                                              
                            was time for an independent review.  He                                                             
                            addressed debt service and the general                                                              
                            fund authorization.                                                                               
 1369 SOLVEIG PEDERSEN -    Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 1390 KIM PERRY - JUNEAU    Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
                            the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 1408 CINDY CASHEN -        Spoke in support of further funding for                                                             
     JUNEAU                addressing drunk driving offenders.                                                                  
                            She added the need for full funding for                                                             
                            all concerns dealing with alcohol abuse.                                                          
 1643 SHERRY THOMPSON -     Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 1689 LISSA ROBERTSON -     Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 1733 KATHRYN CURRIT -      Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 1764 CARL ROSE - JUNEAU    Testified in support of additional                                                                  
                            funding for education.  He addressed the                                                            
                            recommendations made by the Task Force.                                                             
                            Mr. Rose stated that the numbers                                                                    
                            determined by the task force were                                                                   
                            responsible numbers. He stressed that the                                                           
                            State has been at flat funding for 15                                                               
                            years.  Mr. Rose stressed that the                                                                  
                            standards based system needs extra                                                                  
                            funding.  He asked for full funding for                                                             
                            education as it does not currently meet                                                             
                            the adequacy standard.  In the budget                                                               
                            this year, the general fund is being                                                                
                            reduced.  In cutting the general fund                                                             
                            spending, the costs are being passed on                                                             
                            to the local communities.  The money will                                                           
                            come from responsible long-range fiscal                                                             
                            plan.  He concluded that responsibility                                                             
                            needs to happen in the Committee.                                                                 
1983 Representative Croft  Commented that this is the most important                                                            
                            issue that this legislature is facing.                                                              
                            He stated that the process achieved by                                                              
                            the task force should receive the dollars                                                           
                            requested.                                                                                        
2039 Mr. Rose               Replied that the study was based on areas                                                           
                            of needs.  He commented that school                                                                 
                            districts are struggling to buy                                                                     
                            textbooks.  The special needs students                                                              
                            are being ignored.  The largest number                                                              
                            amount is the teacher's salaries, which                                                             
                            need to be increased if the State is                                                                
                            going to meet the competitive edge.  Mr.                                                            
                            Rose addressed the need for student                                                                 
                            intervention.  He added that all of the                                                             
                            information is recorded in the study.                                                               
                            Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
                            pupil transportation rather than                                                                    
                            displacement.  He emphasized that these                                                             
                            are critical issues.                                                                              
2173 Representative         Asked why there has been no discussion to                                                           
      Lancaster             date.                                                                                             
2183 Mr. Rose               Understood that the bill was "dead on                                                               
                            arrival".  He stated that the principles                                                            
                            employed were quality including                                                                     
                            performance.  He added that the money                                                               
                            should come from the State.  If quality                                                             
                            is what the State is after, we will have                                                            
                            to provide for that.                                                                              
2228 KATHY HANSEN -         Requested further and enhanced funding                                                              
     JUNEAU                for the Department of Fish and Game.                                                               
2269 DARROLL HARGRAVES - Testified in support of additional                                                                     
     JUNEAU                funding for education.  He addressed                                                                 
                            foundation funding and the transportation                                                           
                            issues.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 01 - 41,                                                                                                       
      Side A                                                                                                                  
110 Mr. Hargraves           Continued discussion on the concerns with                                                           
                            full funding for education.                                                                       
198 TONIA KENSINGER -       Spoke in support for further and greater                                                            
      JUNEAU                funding for the Infant Learning service.                                                          
400 VERNUM MACDRELL -       Testified in support of additional                                                                  
      JUNEAU                funding for education. He commended the                                                             
                            Committee for the Learning Opportunity                                                              
                            Grants.  He requested Committee support                                                             
                            for the education bills.  He testified in                                                           
                            support of full funding for pupil                                                                   
                            transportation.  [Referenced the NEA                                                              
                            handout - Copy on File].                                                                          
 875 KEAN NUTTALL -         Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 925 LYNDA OLSEN - JUNEAU Testified in support of the Governor's                                                                
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.  She added the                                                             
                            need for recovery houses within the State                                                           
                            of Alaska.  Testified in support of full                                                            
                            funding for the University of Alaska.                                                             
 1012 MATT FELIX - JUNEAU Testified in support of the Governor's                                                                
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.  He commented                                                              
                            that alcohol is the greatest social                                                                 
                            service problem in the State.  Treatment                                                            
                            is the only thing that works for                                                                    
                            prevention of drunk driving.  He warned                                                             
                            that alcohol is cheaper than soda pop and                                                           
                            milk in this State.                                                                               
 1183 LOREN GERHARD -       Asked for full restoration to the Alaska                                                            
      JUNEAU                Marine Highway transportation proposed                                                              
                            cuts.  He noted that the Southeast Plan                                                             
                            would help the State's financial                                                                    
                            situation. He emphasized that the people                                                            
                            of Southeast Alaska depend on the system.                                                         
 1346 LISA VILLANO -        Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 1538 Representative        Asked about the improved morale amongst                                                             
      Whitaker              the student body and if it was related to                                                           
                            the "Alaskan can do spirit".                                                                      
 1595 PAMELA WATTS -        Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      JUNEAU                request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 1715 Representative        Asked if the board tried to get involved                                                            
      Hudson                in recommendations.                                                                               
 1728 Ms. Watts             Noted that they do get involved and the                                                             
                            development of community commitment.                                                                
                            Prevention is the target.                                                                         
 1754 GARY BADER - JUNEAU Testified in support of additional                                                                    
                            funding for education and testified in                                                              
                            support of full funding for pupil                                                                   
                            transportation.  He provided the figures                                                            
                            of State foundation funding since 1993.                                                             
                            He noted the decrease.  There has been a                                                            
                            reduction in the amount of $485 dollars                                                             
                            per student.                                                                                      
 1853 Co-Chair Mulder       Asked the pupil count in 1993.                                                                    
 1865 Mr. Bader             Replied that there were 5,112 students in                                                           
                            1993; in 2000, the number of students was                                                           
                            5,631.                                                                                            
 1897 SCOTT MCCREA -        Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      JUNEAU                the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 2004 JOYANNE BLOOM -       Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                 
      JUNEAU                cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                             
                            Recess:  3:55 p.m.                                                                                
2141                        Reconvened: 4:05                                                                                  
2175 ADENE AUTHUR - MATSU Testified in support of funding for                                                                   
                            avalanche prevention within the                                                                     
                            Department of Public Safety.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 01 - 41,                                                                                                       
      SIDE B                                                                                                                  
022 SALLY ELLIOTT -         Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                   
      MATSU                 cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                             
153 DON SAVAGE - MATSU      Expressed concern with diminishing funds                                                            
                            for local emergency planning committees.                                                          
409 MISTY JENSEN - MATSU Testified in support of full funding for                                                               
                            the Infant Learning Program. Testified in                                                           
                            support of additional funding for                                                                   
                            education.                                                                                        
608 Co-Chair Mulder         Noted that there had been no cuts to the                                                            
                            Head Start program. The increment for a                                                             
                            federal match was not included, but local                                                           
                            communities can opt to make up the match.                                                         
668   JAMES POSEY - MATSU   Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs in the amount of                                                            
                            $17 million dollars.                                                                              
786 DELISA CULPEPPER -      Testified in support of the public health                                                           
      ANCHORAGE             budget and disease control. Stressed the                                                            
                            need to fund tobacco cessation programs                                                             
                            and pointed to tobacco settlement funds                                                             
                            as a funding source.                                                                              
917 JENNY MURRAY -          Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                   
      ANCHORAGE             cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                             
1053 DAVID GEESIN -         Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      ANCHORAGE             the public broadcasting satellite system.                                                         
1235  ISABELLE GAYLE BORAN  Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      - ANCHORAGE           request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
1347 MICHELE BERNS          Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
1392  JOSEPH BURNS - MATSU  Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
1488  DENISE BOWEN - MATSU  Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
1548  LYLE OKINEKO - MATSU  Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
1614  THOMAS MCELWAIN -     Testified in support of the Governor's                                                            
      MATSU                 request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 1695 KELLY MCKITTRICK -    Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      MATSU                 request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 1788 KELIAN YOUNG -        Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      ANCHORAGE             request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 1842 GARY CURNEY -         Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      ANCHORAGE             request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 1906 JOHN MAYO -           Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      ANCHORAGE             request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
 1953 DEBBIE OSSIANDER -    Testified in support of additional                                                                  
     ANCHORAGE             funding for education. Testified in                                                                  
                            support of full funding for pupil                                                                   
                            transportation.                                                                                   
 2059 Representative Croft  Asked how much their pupil transportation                                                           
                            cost was reduced.                                                                                 
 2072 Ms. Ossiander         Noted that costs were not reduced but                                                               
                            were held to a minimum.                                                                           
 2096 Co-Chair Mulder       Observed that Anchorage's growth was only                                                           
                            2 percent, while other areas have                                                                   
                            increased up to 20 percent.                                                                       
 2115 PAUL STANKAVICH -     Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      ANCHORAGE             the public broadcasting satellite system.                                                         
 2214 PATRICIA COYNE -      Testified in support of funding for                                                                 
      MATSU                 avalanche prevention in the Department of                                                           
                            Public Safety.                                                                                    
 2262 BILL O'HARA - MATSU Expressed support for funding for state                                                               
                            troopers in the Department of Public                                                                
                            Safety.                                                                                           
 2356 STEVE KEPPEL - MATSU Testified in support of the governor's                                                               
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 01 - 42,                                                                                                       
      SIDE A                                                                                                                  
 100 Co-Chair Mulder        Suggested that additional funding will be                                                           
                            available for alcohol treatment.                                                                  
 182 TAMARA AHUMADA -       Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                   
      ANCHORAGE             cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                             
 360 RICH SEWELL -          Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      ANCHORAGE             the University of Alaska.                                                                         
 506 MORRY HOLLOWELL -      Expressed concern that there is not                                                                 
      ANCHORAGE             sufficient funding for juvenile justice                                                             
                            services.                                                                                         
 670 TOM WILLIAMS -         Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      ANCHORAGE             the public broadcasting satellite system.                                                         
 829 Co-Chair Mulder        Noted that the Committee would take a                                                               
                            look at the satellite funding.                                                                    
854 MARY ROSENZWEIG -       Testified in support of the governor's                                                              
      ANCHORAGE             request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
984 Representative Croft Noted that there are potential savings                                                                 
                            through treatment.                                                                                
1021 IRENE PERSSON GAMBLE Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                     
      - ANCHORAGE           cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                               
                            Testified in support for additional                                                                 
                            funding for Head Start programs.                                                                  
1187 SALLYE WERNER -        Expressed support for funding to the                                                                
      ANCHORAGE             child protection services - Office of                                                               
                            Public Advocacy, Division of Family and                                                             
                            Youth Services and Denali Kid Care.                                                                 
                            Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
                            request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs.                                                                          
1362 ROSALIE NADEAU -       Testified in support of the Governor's                                                              
      ANCHORAGE             request for increased funding for alcohol                                                           
                            and drug abuse programs. Akeela contracts                                                           
                            with the Department of Corrections                                                                  
                            (Inmate Substance Abuse Services).                                                                
1528 PAUL JANOWIE -         Testified in support of funding for                                                                 
      ANCHORAGE             juvenile justice programs.                                                                        
1674                        Dinner recess at 5:30 p.m.                                                                        
                            Resumed session at 6:45 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 01 - 42,                                                                                                       
      SIDE B                                                                                                                  
000 GREG WILSON -           Requested further funding for the                                                                   
      ANCHORAGE             Division of Oil and Gas and salary                                                                  
                            increases to the Department of                                                                      
                            Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                  
                            employees.                                                                                        
145 SALLY MEAD -            Spoke in support for further and greater                                                            
      ANCHORAGE             funding for Public Health services within                                                           
                            the Department of Health and Social                                                                 
                            Services budget.                                                                                  
321 SARAH PLOTNICK-Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                            
      EPSTEIN - ANCHORAGE   cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                             
412 BILL BOUWENS -          Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                   
      ANCHORAGE             cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                             
507 MARGARET LANIER -       Stressed the need to fund tobacco                                                                   
      ANCHORAGE             cessation programs and pointed to tobacco                                                           
                            settlement funds as a funding source.                                                             
617 Representative          Asked how the State could reach all the                                                             
     Hudson                people that need tobacco counseling.                                                               
660 Ms. Lanier              Replied that the State needs a                                                                      
                            comprehensive tobacco control program.                                                              
                            Counter marketing media and enforcement                                                             
                            and evaluation of current programs.  She                                                          
                            stated that youth would be specifically                                                             
                            targeted.                                                                                         
 730 KATHLEEN WALL -        Testified in support of the mental health                                                           
      ANCHORAGE             budget.                                                                                           
 801 GAIL IGO - ANCHORAGE Spoke in support of further funding for                                                               
                            Division of Family and Youth Services and                                                           
                            the Foster Care component.                                                                        
 925 Representative         Stated that front line social workers                                                               
      Hudson                would be receiving $1 million dollars                                                               
                            more this year.                                                                                   
 969 DAVID ALEXANDER -      Requested that the proposed cut to the                                                              
      ANCHORAGE             Ameri-Corp not be made.  He stated that                                                             
                            the federal match is approximately $2                                                               
                            million dollars for a small State match.                                                            
                            The services are for children between 2-8                                                           
                            years old.                                                                                        
 1088 CHRIS HUDSON -        Testified in support of the mental health                                                           
      ANCHORAGE             budget.                                                                                           
 1197 DEBBIE HUDSON -       Testified in support of the mental health                                                           
      ANCHORAGE             budget.  She added her support for                                                                  
                            Volunteers of America.                                                                            
 1256 JULIANNE DYE -        Testified in support of full funding for                                                            
      ANCHORAGE             the public broadcasting satellite system.                                                         
 1333 Co-Chair Mulder       Noted that there have been discussions                                                              
                            regarding the satellite system.  He noted                                                           
                            that Representative Lancaster was                                                                   
                            frustrated with where the State currently                                                           
                            is.  He noted that there is an amendment                                                            
                            forthcoming to address some of that                                                                 
                            frustration.  He stated that one                                                                    
                            consideration is that technology is                                                                 
                            changing so much; the State is hesitant                                                             
                            to make a commitment to AT&T.  He noted                                                             
                            that it is the intent to address services                                                           
                            as proposed.                                                                                      
 1452 Ms. Dye               Voiced appreciation for the work done to                                                            
                            date.  She agreed with the fast pace of                                                             
                            the technological changes.                                                                        
 1512 KIRK KAMLEEZ -        Asked about the increase for the front                                                              
      ANCHORAGE             line social workers.  He asked the number                                                           
                            of workers that would fund.                                                                       
 1557 Representative        Explained that budget has ballooned since                                                           
      Harris                last year.                                                                                        
 1579 Co-Chair Mulder       Understood that it would increase between                                                           
                            20-25 new positions including the bubble                                                            
                            positions.                                                                                        
 1631                       At ease: 7:15 p.m.                                                                                
                            Reconvene: 7:28 p.m.                                                                              
 1637 Mr. Kamleez           Asked if there was a projection regarding                                                           
                            the amount of federal money lost because                                                            
                            the State did not keep up with the                                                                  
                            mandate.                                                                                          
1690 Representative         Replied that the State has lost money                                                               
      Harris                because we have sold tobacco to minors.                                                             
                            That grant lost a few million dollars.                                                              
                            He did not know of any loss in the                                                                  
                            Division of Family and Youth Services                                                               
                            (DFYS).                                                                                           
1722 Representative Croft Added that there have been threats of                                                                 
                            loosing money in the Child Support                                                                  
                            Enforcement Division (CSED).                                                                      
1735 Vice-Chair Bunde       Noted that some years back, the State                                                               
                            lost money in bringing to trial, youth as                                                           
                            adults.                                                                                           
1792 Mr. Kamleez            Asked how to track that kind of                                                                     
                            information.                                                                                      
1801 Representative         Replied that he should call the                                                                     
      Harris                Department.  There has been every attempt                                                           
                            to secure Federal match money.                                                                    
1823 Co-Chair Mulder        Interjected that the numbers for new                                                                
                            social workers are speculative at this                                                              
                            time.                                                                                             
1876 Co-Chair Mulder        ADJOURNMENT                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                            The meeting was adjourned at  7:35 p.m.                                                           

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