Legislature(2013 - 2014)CAPITOL 106

03/22/2013 08:00 AM EDUCATION

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 22, 2013                                                                                         
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Representative Lynn Gattis, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Lora Reinbold, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
HOUSE BILL NO. 162                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to tenure of public school teachers; and                                                                       
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
HOUSE BILL NO. 151                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing a public  school and school district grading                                                               
system   for    purposes   of   improving    accountability   and                                                               
transparency; providing for Alaska  strategic educators in public                                                               
schools; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                  
     - BILL POSTPONED TO 3/25/13                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
BILL: HB 162                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: TEACHER TENURE                                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) T.WILSON                                                                                          
03/11/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/11/13       (H)       EDC                                                                                                    
03/22/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE TAMMIE WILSON                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 162, as sponsor.                                                                            
KATHERINE GARDNER, Director                                                                                                     
Human Resources and Labor Relations                                                                                             
Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District (MSBSD)                                                                               
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 162.                                                                          
DEENA PARAMO, Ed.D                                                                                                              
Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District (MSBSD)                                                                               
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified.                                                                                               
TAMMY SMITH, Director                                                                                                           
Fairbanks Education Association (FEA)                                                                                           
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 162.                                                                       
JOE BOYLE                                                                                                                       
Region VII Director                                                                                                             
Matanuska-Susitna Education Association (MSEA)                                                                                  
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 162.                                                                       
ANDY HOLLEMAN, President                                                                                                        
Anchorage Education Association (AEA)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 162.                                                                       
LADAWN DRUCE                                                                                                                    
Kenai Peninsula Education Association (KPEA)                                                                                    
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 162.                                                                       
DAVE JONES, Assistant Superintendent                                                                                            
Kenai Peninsula Borough School District (KPBSD)                                                                                 
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 162.                                                                          
DAVID NEES                                                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the discussion of HB 162.                                                               
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
8:04:08 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR LYNN  GATTIS called the House  Education Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order at 8:04  a.m.  Representatives LeDoux, Reinbold,                                                               
Seaton, Wilson,  and Gattis  were present at  the call  to order.                                                               
Representatives Saddler  and Drummond arrived as  the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                     HB 162-TEACHER TENURE                                                                                  
8:04:32 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GATTIS announced  that the  first only  order of  business                                                               
would  be HOUSE  BILL  NO. 162,  "An Act  relating  to tenure  of                                                               
public school teachers; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
8:04:41 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   TAMMIE   WILSON,   Alaska   State   Legislature,                                                               
presented HB  162.   She offered  to provide  a brief  history of                                                               
teacher tenure.  Years ago  universities hired faculty but when a                                                               
faculty member  grew in  his/her profession  and became  a valued                                                               
teacher with  a good income  the professor was terminated  so the                                                               
university could hire someone at  a lower salary.  The terminated                                                               
faculty member  would be back  in the job market  and essentially                                                               
need  to   start  over.     The  professional   organization  for                                                               
university  professors advocated  for  a new  process to  protect                                                               
professors.    If  professors  proved  to  be  good  teachers  or                                                               
researchers,  their works  were published  in journals,  and they                                                               
met certain other standards, these  professors could be evaluated                                                               
after  seven years.   If  these faculty  members met  all of  the                                                               
university's  standards   they  were  awarded  tenure   with  the                                                               
security  that tenure  provides;  however those  not meeting  the                                                               
standards were terminated and could seek employment elsewhere.                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON indicated  that today most universities,                                                               
including the University of Alaska  (UA), maintain teacher tenure                                                               
practices.     Thus  an   instructor,  an   assistant  professor,                                                               
associate professor,  or full professor  can obtain  tenure after                                                               
seven years  of employment.   A decision is subsequently  made to                                                               
either grant tenure or terminate  the professor.  However, tenure                                                               
has  evolved over  time  [to include  school  teachers, not  just                                                               
university professors].  While  tenure doesn't guarantee lifetime                                                               
employment, it does make firing  tenured teachers a difficult and                                                               
costly process:   one that involves the union,  school board, the                                                               
principal,  the  judicial system,  and  thousands  of dollars  in                                                               
legal fees.   She said in most states a  tenured teacher can't be                                                               
dismissed  unless   charges  have   been  filed  and   months  of                                                               
evaluations,  hearings, and  appeals have  occurred.   Meanwhile,                                                               
school districts  must pay  thousands of  dollars for  paid leave                                                               
and to  hire substitute  teachers.  She  offered her  belief that                                                               
the  current  system to  dismiss  tenured  teachers is  slow  and                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  T.  WILSON  reported   that  on  July  24,  2009,                                                               
President  Obama  announced as  part  of  [American Recovery  and                                                               
Reinvestment  Act  of   2009  (ARRA)],  the  "Race   to  the  Top                                                               
Assessment (RTTA)"  program, which  made available  $4.35 billion                                                               
in  grants  to states.    She  explained  that the  RTTA  program                                                               
includes requirements  to adopt  policies that take  into account                                                               
student  achievement  when  evaluating  teachers  and  developing                                                               
plans to  remove ineffective teachers -  tenured and non-tenured.                                                               
She  reported that  Alaska did  not receive  any funds,  but many                                                               
states made significant changes to the process.                                                                                 
8:07:14 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  T. WILSON  explained  that HB  162  does not  tie                                                               
evaluations to  teachers since  the state  Board of  Education is                                                               
currently  working  on that  part  of  the  system.   Across  the                                                               
country, people recognize the current  education structure is not                                                               
working and having  the sole basis for retaining  teachers on the                                                               
length of service  is not likely the best approach  to ensure the                                                               
best teachers are in the classrooms.   In fact, most states grant                                                               
tenure after three  years, which means teachers have  not had the                                                               
opportunities to demonstrate their skills or ineptness.                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE T.  WILSON referred to  a November 21,  2008 study                                                               
conducted  by  the  University   of  Washington  (UW)  Center  on                                                               
Reinventing Public Education, which found  the first two or three                                                               
years  of  teaching  does not  predict  post-tenure  performance.                                                               
Further,  teacher  tenure  may  benefit  teachers,  but  it  does                                                               
nothing  to promote  the education  of children.   The  result is                                                               
that teacher  tenure requires schools to  make long-term spending                                                               
commitments but prevents school districts from being flexible.                                                                  
8:08:17 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   T.  WILSON   advised  that   teacher  employment                                                               
contracts generally lack provisions  for declining enrollment and                                                               
economic turmoil.   In fact,  Alaska's statutes  provide numerous                                                               
steps  that   must  be  taken  to   terminate  tenured  teachers,                                                               
including  terminating non-tenured  teachers,  even  if the  non-                                                               
tenured teachers are  highly skilled.  This  legislation, HB 162,                                                               
addresses teacher tenure by increasing  the probation period from                                                               
three  to five  years  to  achieve tenure.    This  change is  in                                                               
response   to  the   importance   of  the   quality  of   teacher                                                               
instruction.  More specifically,  under the bill the probationary                                                               
period  for teacher  tenure would  require teachers  to work  for                                                               
five years in  the same school district.  This  would ensure that                                                               
a  new  teacher  has  the opportunity  to  realize  his/her  full                                                               
potential and  become an effective  teacher.  She  emphasized the                                                               
importance  of   having  the  most  effective   teachers  in  the                                                               
classrooms to  provide the best possible  education for students.                                                               
Successful teachers  help shape  and create  successful students.                                                               
Effective teachers  are what students  need and deserve  and this                                                               
bill will bring Alaska one step  further in achieving the goal to                                                               
assure a high-performing quality teacher in every classroom.                                                                    
8:09:38 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked for further  clarification on the                                                               
necessity  to retain  tenured teachers  for  a specific  position                                                               
over those categorized as highly-qualified teachers.                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE T.  WILSON related  a scenario  in which  the Base                                                               
Student  Allocation (BSA)  is not  increased.   School  districts                                                               
must make cuts by removing  all non-tenured teachers first unless                                                               
the school  district is able  to prove that  no one else  can fit                                                               
the  very  specific  instructor needed.    To  summarize,  school                                                               
districts  must base  their decisions  not on  retaining teachers                                                               
best qualified for the position, but  on the length of time these                                                               
teachers have taught in the school.                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON suggested that the  bill would probably                                                               
give  school districts  more flexibility  to move  teachers where                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON  answered that HB 162 is  limited to the                                                               
length of  time it takes for  teachers to achieve tenure,  but it                                                               
does not  address previously tenured teachers.   She acknowledged                                                               
that  most  states have  taken  this  one  step further  by  also                                                               
considering   teacher   evaluations  when   determining   whether                                                               
teachers can  retain tenure.   Again, this bill does  not address                                                               
previously  tenured teachers;  however,  the aforementioned  RTTA                                                               
program  seems to  be the  direction the  federal government  has                                                               
taken to ensure better qualified teachers are in the classrooms.                                                                
8:11:58 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked for the  reason that Alaska  did not                                                               
participate in the federal RTTA funding program.                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON answered  that Alaska does not currently                                                               
have in place a stringent  evaluation process to evaluate teacher                                                               
tenure that 11  other states adopted.  In  those states, teachers                                                               
are evaluated on the outcome of student achievement testing.                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  understood  HB   162  doesn't  cover  the                                                               
evaluation aspect.                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE T.  WILSON responded that  this bill would  be the                                                               
first step  [to improve the  quality of teaching  in classrooms.]                                                               
Currently, it would burden the  state Board of Education (BOE) to                                                               
make significant changes  at this time.  She  reiterated that the                                                               
BOE  is   currently  working   on  establishing   new  evaluation                                                               
processes  for  teachers.   For  this  reason,  HB 162  takes  an                                                               
incremental approach by  allowing the BOE to finish  its work and                                                               
to allow  school districts  time to  incorporate any  changes the                                                               
BOE makes.                                                                                                                      
8:13:08 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked whether teachers will  decide not to                                                               
apply  for  jobs  in states  with  longer  tenure  qualifications                                                               
versus  those  with three  year  limits.   Accordingly,  teachers                                                               
attending job fairs  could be affected by the  changes to tenure.                                                               
He asked whether any data is available on this.                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  T.  WILSON responded  that  the  majority of  the                                                               
changes occurred in 2011 and data is not readily available.                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  for  clarification  on whether  the                                                               
states opting for RTTA [found  improvements] as compared to those                                                               
not opting  for the RTTA funding.   He further asked  whether any                                                               
unintended  consequences  may  happen  under the  bill  with  the                                                               
proposed changes to teacher tenure.                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE T.  WILSON answered  that she introduced  the bill                                                               
at the  request of  many superintendents  who expressed  the need                                                               
for  more time  to evaluate  teachers in  order to  obtain better                                                               
results [in the classroom].  In  other words, the request for the                                                               
bill stems from  the school districts who  desire more evaluation                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  cautioned  that  the  state  already  has                                                               
difficulties  attracting  teachers to  relocate  to  Alaska.   He                                                               
expressed  concern  about  the  effect this  bill  will  have  on                                                               
teacher recruitment,  especially without  knowing the  effect the                                                               
increased time to obtain tenure will have on recruitment.                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  T. WILSON  offered  her  belief that  recruitment                                                               
decisions are  not based  solely on tenure.   She  emphasized her                                                               
belief that  teachers do  not decide whether  to teach  in Alaska                                                               
based solely  on one  reason, but base  their decisions  on other                                                               
factors,  including   salaries  and  working  conditions.     The                                                               
legislature  has   asked  school  districts  to   better  prepare                                                               
Alaska's students.  She has  solicited suggestions on how to make                                                               
those improvements and  introduced HB 162 based  on feedback from                                                               
superintendents.    She  surmised   that  having  an  ineffective                                                               
teacher  for one  year  could adversely  affect  students for  at                                                               
least  a year.    Perhaps students  who  experience poor  quality                                                               
teachers for several years may never catch up.                                                                                  
8:17:10 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked for  an estimate  on the  number of                                                               
teachers  in Alaska  who do  not qualify  for tenure  after their                                                               
three-year probationary period.                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON answered she didn't know.                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER suggested the  department might be able to                                                               
answer  that  question.    He asked  whether  there  any  records                                                               
identify the number  of tenured teachers in Alaska  who have been                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  T.  WILSON related  her  research  on this  topic                                                               
began with  the Juneau School  District (JSD).  However,  the JSD                                                               
could  not recall  any  instance of  having  dismissed a  tenured                                                               
teacher.    Other school  districts  reported  it was  easier  to                                                               
essentially [pay  the teacher's contract] rather  than to dismiss                                                               
the  teacher.   Additionally,  tenure  is  portable, which  means                                                               
tenured teachers  only need to  teach two years to  retain tenure                                                               
in their new  district.  She was unsure  whether accurate numbers                                                               
could  be compiled  on tenure  since teachers  make decisions  to                                                               
leave based  on a variety of  reasons.  She remarked  that the UA                                                               
graduates about  200 teachers, but  the districts hire  about 800                                                               
additional  teachers  each year.    In  any  event, it  might  be                                                               
difficult to ascertain  the number of tenured  teachers who leave                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked for  further clarification on tenure                                                               
portability.  He asked whether  teaching for two years to acquire                                                               
tenure in a new school district is a statewide provision.                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON acknowledged it is defined in statute.                                                                 
8:19:35 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND asked  for  the number  of teachers  who                                                               
left prior to obtaining tenure  status once the state changed its                                                               
retirement  system to  a 401  (k)  [defined contribution  pension                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON said she was unsure.                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND commented  it would  be helpful  to have                                                               
additional data.                                                                                                                
8:20:25 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked which  states require more than three                                                               
years to attain teacher tenure.                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE T.  WILSON directed attention to  members' packets                                                               
to the  state-by-state breakout  of tenure  information [entitled                                                               
"Teaching  Quality"].   She reported  that some  states have  not                                                               
changed the length  of time necessary to  achieve teacher tenure;                                                               
however, some  states have tied student  evaluations to achieving                                                               
8:21:32 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked whether  Alaska has had difficulty in                                                               
attracting and retaining teachers in both urban and rural areas.                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  T.  WILSON  responded  that  HB  162  focused  on                                                               
addressing  how to  retain the  best teachers  in the  classroom.                                                               
Granted, rural  communities have  experienced more  difficulty in                                                               
retaining teachers.    However, very few teachers  earn tenure in                                                               
the  Bush  since  many  relocate  to  urban  Alaska  communities,                                                               
probably due  to isolation  issues, she said.   Again,  this bill                                                               
was   initiated   to   address    concern   expressed   by   some                                                               
superintendents   who   indicated    they   must   evaluate   the                                                               
effectiveness  of teachers  for  tenure earlier  than they  would                                                               
like to do so.                                                                                                                  
8:23:46 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON theorized about being  a superintendent                                                               
evaluating  a teacher  and surmised  that  school districts  that                                                               
were  uncertain  about  teachers  would  likely  not  retain  the                                                               
teachers.    She asked  whether  any  other industry  has  tenure                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  T.  WILSON was  not  aware  of any;  however  she                                                               
offered  her belief  that many  union positions  have protections                                                               
for employees.                                                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  P.   WILSON  related  in  her   experience,  good                                                               
teachers are  not concerned  about tenure,  but teachers  who are                                                               
aware they are  not the best teachers may be  worried about being                                                               
retained.   Overall,  she thought  Alaskan teachers  are doing  a                                                               
good  job, but  some may  be using  outdated lesson  plans.   She                                                               
expressed support for HB 162.                                                                                                   
8:26:58 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON agreed with  the previous speaker that some                                                               
tenured teachers  may not  upgrade lesson  plans or  keep current                                                               
with technology.   He recalled some discussions  about opening up                                                               
tenure every five years to  ensure tenured teachers are effective                                                               
teachers.  He  asked whether the bill  incorporates measures such                                                               
as revisiting tenure every five years.                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON answered no.                                                                                           
8:28:11 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked how  this bill will  interface with                                                               
the scoring of student performance to teacher evaluations.                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE  T. WILSON  answered that  teachers are  evaluated                                                               
from the  time they are hired  and the evaluation process  is the                                                               
same for  tenured and non-tenured  teachers.   Currently teachers                                                               
can be offered tenure at the  beginning of the fourth year.  This                                                               
bill would  make teacher  tenure available the  first day  of the                                                               
sixth year.   She characterized this change as a  method to allow                                                               
teachers a greater learning curve,  which is especially important                                                               
given  that teachers  often receive  new students  to teach  each                                                               
year.   She  recalled her  own student  teaching evaluation.   In                                                               
summary,  this  bill will  allow  teachers  more time  to  become                                                               
effective and alleviate some "new  hire" pressures that beginning                                                               
teachers may feel.                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked   how  teacher's  salaries  affect                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON offered  her belief that teachers decide                                                               
to become  teachers because  they want to  teach, not  because of                                                               
competitive salaries.   She  said, "I'm a  firm believer  that we                                                               
pay too much for people up on  top - in the administration area -                                                               
and we put  the most pressure on  our teachers who at  the end of                                                               
the day - at  least the way I felt - had the  least freedom.  And                                                               
if  they had  let me  do what  I  felt I  had been  taught to  do                                                               
through my four  years at the university, I could  be a much more                                                               
effective  teacher."    She  maintained  most  teachers  are  not                                                               
motivated by salaries, but teach  because they want to change the                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked for  an estimate  on the  length of                                                               
the average teaching career in Alaska.                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON answered about five years.                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND remarked that answer surprises her.                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked for  clarification on how  long the                                                               
average teacher teaches in Alaska.                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE T. WILSON suggested the  five years is the average                                                               
length of  time a teacher  stays in a  school district.   She was                                                               
unsure of  the length of  time teachers  remain in Alaska  due to                                                               
tenure  portability.    She  offered her  belief  that  the  Bush                                                               
districts  skew the  length of  time teacher  remain in  a single                                                               
school district.   In  further response to  a question,  she said                                                               
she  was  unsure  of  the average  statewide  teacher  career  in                                                               
8:34:03 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  recalled that  the average  time employees                                                               
spent in the  Public Employees Retirement System (PERS)  is 9 1/2                                                               
years and  the average  for teachers  in the  Teachers Retirement                                                               
System (TRS)  is just  over 11  years.  He  then asked  about the                                                               
tenure duration  and evaluation processes.   He  understood every                                                               
principal in the  Anchorage school district is  required to spend                                                               
extended observation time  in the classroom each week  as part of                                                               
teachers'  evaluations.   He expressed  concern, under  the bill,                                                               
about lengthening  the time for  tenure expecting an  outcome and                                                               
result  of   better  teachers,  without  also   incorporating  an                                                               
evaluation  component   to  improve   classroom  teaching.     He                                                               
understood this bill doesn't address  teacher evaluations, but he                                                               
wondered if some consideration should be made.                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE T.  WILSON clarified that  the intent of  the bill                                                               
is to allow  more time for teachers to  become visibly effective.                                                               
She suggested that the evaluation  component will be addressed by                                                               
the committee  at a later date.   She surmised some  teachers are                                                               
not retained  by school  districts because they  did not  have an                                                               
opportunity  to demonstrate  their  potential effectiveness  over                                                               
time. Consequently, this  bill would allow teachers  more time to                                                               
[gain skills]  and become effective  teachers.  Many  states have                                                               
increased  the time  to  achieve teacher  tenure  and have  added                                                               
provisions  to  revisit  tenure  every five  years  in  order  to                                                               
reevaluate teacher effectiveness; however,  Alaska is not at that                                                               
point yet.                                                                                                                      
CHAIR GATTIS  interjected that some  school districts  would like                                                               
to testify  on the  bill and  may be able  to provide  answers to                                                               
some of the questions members have posed.                                                                                       
8:39:08 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   asked  whether  school   districts  that                                                               
currently  have  low-level  evaluations would  institute  ongoing                                                               
evaluations  [during  the  additional two-year  period  prior  to                                                               
tenure].    He  expressed  concern  that  some  school  districts                                                               
wouldn't worry about conducting  teacher evaluations for teachers                                                               
who have not  been very effective until the end  of the five-year                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  T. WILSON  pointed  out the  governor  is in  the                                                               
process of  implementing a new  evaluation system that  would tie                                                               
student  achievement  to  teacher evaluation.    Currently  these                                                               
issues are being handled by  individual school districts, but the                                                               
state [BOE] and  administration have been working  on a statewide                                                               
8:40:28 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER commented that  knowledge of an individual                                                               
teacher's  performance  will   percolate  [into  the  community].                                                               
Further, teachers might  appreciate the extra couple  of years to                                                               
[increase] the  narrow timeframe  in which  they will  be judged.                                                               
For instance,  he said he'd  rather be judged on  his performance                                                               
during his  fourth and fifth year  than on his first  three years                                                               
of teaching.                                                                                                                    
8:41:36 AM                                                                                                                    
KATHERINE   GARDNER,   Director,   Human  Resources   and   Labor                                                               
Relations,  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough School  District  (MSBSD),                                                               
spoke  in support  of  HB  162.   She  said  that teacher  tenure                                                               
provides certificated teachers with  significant increases in job                                                               
security.  Not  only are school districts limited  in the reasons                                                               
they can  limit or  not retain teachers  to three  narrow reasons                                                               
established  in statute,  but the  MSBSD's ability  to lay  off a                                                               
tenured  teacher is  relatively  impossible.   In  fact, the  two                                                               
criteria  that  must  be  met  to  consider  layoff  for  tenured                                                               
teachers are  tied to a reduction  in the level of  funding or an                                                               
overall  reduction in  enrollment.   She said  these restrictions                                                               
truly  inhibit the  MSBSD's ability  to  effectively balance  its                                                               
limited resources  to provide programs the  school district would                                                               
like to offer to ensure the best education for its students.                                                                    
MS.  GARDNER offered  her belief  the  three year  period is  not                                                               
sufficient  time  to  effectively evaluate  teacher  performance,                                                               
especially since at the end  of the period [when teachers achieve                                                               
tenure] they are  extended major protections.   She reported that                                                               
the MSBSD  has found that many  of their teachers have  been with                                                               
the district for 20 years or  longer.  Therefore, the MSBSD would                                                               
appreciate extending  the period by  two years, which  will allow                                                               
the district an  opportunity to ensure that the  teachers who are                                                               
retained are exhibiting the skills the district desires.                                                                        
MS.  GARDNER  suggested  the  purpose of  the  evaluation  is  to                                                               
determine that the teachers have  become good teachers and not to                                                               
conclude that they have the  "potential" to become good teachers.                                                               
She said  the MSBSD  wants to identify  specific teachers  as the                                                               
ones who  will work effectively  for the  MSBSD.  She  offered to                                                               
answer questions  she heard raised.   With respect to  waiting to                                                               
delay  timely evaluations,  she  responded that  the MSBSD  would                                                               
have  no  interest  in  doing so.    The  department's  potential                                                               
changes  regarding teacher  evaluations  will place  considerable                                                               
emphasis  on the  evaluation process  and the  review of  student                                                               
data.    Therefore,   the  school  district  will   not  have  an                                                               
opportunity to put off conducting  teacher evaluations.  Instead,                                                               
the MSBSD  will look  at evaluations  and teacher  performance at                                                               
each step  in the  process.  Extending  tenure to  teachers after                                                               
five years  will allow  the MSBSD to  evaluate teachers  on their                                                               
demonstrated skills  and examine  whether students  are achieving                                                               
at a level  the MSBSD expects.  Actually,  the initial three-year                                                               
teaching  period is  a  period during  which  teachers are  still                                                               
learning their craft and refining  their skills.  The MSBSD would                                                               
like to ensure  teachers have had the  opportunities refine their                                                               
skills before any decisions are made about future employment.                                                                   
MS.  GARDNER  reported that  the  MSBSD  has placed  considerable                                                               
emphasis  on having  principals  conduct classroom  visits.   She                                                               
agreed  it  is difficult  for  principals  since many  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna schools  are large  schools.   Hence, the  additional two                                                               
years  would allow  principals  sufficient  time to  sufficiently                                                               
observe  all classrooms.   When  the MSBSD  has concerns  about a                                                               
teacher's performance,  the district's  default is not  to retain                                                               
the  teacher who  is  not exhibiting  minimum  skills [since  the                                                               
district is far more likely to  let these teachers go].  Further,                                                               
the additional  two years  prior to  achieving tenure  would also                                                               
benefit teachers.  With respect  to the question of reconsidering                                                               
tenure every  five years, the  MSBSD would be willing  to comment                                                               
on revisiting tenure  if a specific provision to do  so was added                                                               
to the bill.  However, speaking  from her own experience, she has                                                               
not  found teacher  tenure  as a  topic  broached during  teacher                                                               
recruitment.    Therefore, she  did  not  think this  bill  would                                                               
adversely affect  the hiring process.   In conclusion,  the MSBSD                                                               
is very  supportive of increasing  the length of time  from three                                                               
to five years to attain teacher tenure.                                                                                         
8:47:41 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  whether  the change  from three  to                                                               
five  years to  obtain teacher  tenure  will have  the effect  of                                                               
allowing  a  non-effective teacher  to  remain  in the  classroom                                                               
longer.    He  recalled  earlier  testimony  that  the  state  is                                                               
currently implementing a new teacher evaluation program.                                                                        
MS.  GARDNER  responded  that the  proposed  changes  in  teacher                                                               
evaluations are  fully supported in  the MSBSD district  since it                                                               
will give the school district  an opportunity to consider student                                                               
data as  part of every  teacher's evaluation, which  is supported                                                               
at the state  level.  In fact, the MSBSD  is currently working to                                                               
fully  implement these  changes.   Further,  when  the MSBSD  has                                                               
concerns about teachers they don't  delay until the third year to                                                               
remove them; instead, the school  district attempts to do this as                                                               
soon as  possible.  Accordingly,  if a teacher is  not performing                                                               
after  the first  year  he/she  will not  be  offered a  contract                                                               
renewal.   In fact, the  changes from  three to five  years under                                                               
the  bill   will  not  affect  the   MSBSD's  current  practices.                                                               
Actually, the  MSBSD exceeds  the EED's  regulations in  terms of                                                               
frequency  of teacher  evaluations  and the  number of  principal                                                               
observations in  the classroom.   The  board adopted  this policy                                                               
when the  previous model was  implemented approximately  12 years                                                               
ago.   The  advantage  of  the additional  two  years to  observe                                                               
teachers'  performances is  to ensure  that the  skills exhibited                                                               
are sustainable ones.  Subsequently,  the MSBSD will evaluate not                                                               
only in the 6th  year, but in the 10th year and  the 20th year to                                                               
ensure  the  teacher's  skills   continue  to  be  exhibited  and                                                               
adequately  grow over  time.    In doing  so,  this ensures  that                                                               
teachers are  providing a  better education each  year to  all of                                                               
the school district's students.                                                                                                 
8:51:21 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  acknowledged  that   the  bill  does  not                                                               
abolish tenure.   However, she asked for an estimate  of how many                                                               
teachers the MSBSD would not retain absent teacher tenure.                                                                      
MS.  GARDNER  responded  that would  be  difficult  to  quantify.                                                               
Actually, without tenure wouldn't mean  the district would try to                                                               
dismiss  more  teachers;  instead,  it  would  simply  allow  the                                                               
district  to evaluate  the  staff levels  and  programs based  on                                                               
other criteria.   Thus it would  allow the MSBSD to  consider the                                                               
best teachers  to fill  positions in the  classrooms and  to hire                                                               
them.   Currently, the school  district must consider  tenure and                                                               
seniority  for   teacher  positions.     She   characterized  the                                                               
situation  of not  having to  consider tenure  as one  that would                                                               
give the school district infinite  flexibility to obtain the best                                                               
teachers.   Currently,  the MSBSD  has encountered  times when  a                                                               
teacher  has  difficulties  and  the  MSBSD  must  address  these                                                               
issues.  She acknowledged that  tenure makes solving these issues                                                               
more difficult,  although the district  will continue  to address                                                               
any issues  given the  legal constraints that  exist.   In short,                                                               
she  offered her  belief that  not having  tenure would  give the                                                               
MSBSD considerable flexibility on an annual basis.                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  noted  that  the bill  does  not  abolish                                                               
tenure, but  extends the  length of time  for teachers  to obtain                                                               
tenure.  She remarked she  has grappled to understand the overall                                                               
effect  this bill  will have  on teachers.   She  understood that                                                               
totally abolishing  tenure wouldn't  really affect the  number of                                                               
teachers  fired, but  would give  the district  more flexibility.                                                               
She  was unsure  whether  the MSBSD  could  really determine  the                                                               
effects of tenure.                                                                                                              
MS. GARDNER  agreed it is  a difficult  question to answer  or to                                                               
pin down.   Certainly, whether  teachers are tenured  versus non-                                                               
tenured  affects  decisions  on   whether  the  teachers  can  be                                                               
retained or dismissed.   The law provides  three specific reasons                                                               
to dismiss  tenured teachers.   First, teachers can  be dismissed                                                               
for  substantial  non-compliance with  rules  or  laws.   Second,                                                               
teachers can  be dismissed  for incompetence,  which can  only be                                                               
determined after  a lengthy and burdensome  plan for improvement.                                                               
Third,  teachers   can  be  dismissed  for   committing  a  crime                                                               
involving  moral  turpitude.   She  offered  her belief  that  if                                                               
tenure  did  not  exist  the  school  district  would  have  more                                                               
flexibility   to  identify   and  remove   ineffective  classroom                                                               
teachers.  Granted,  tenure is not just  about added flexibility;                                                               
however, given the current restrictions,  the MSBSD does the best                                                               
job possible.   Certainly some teachers might  not continue their                                                               
employment if teacher tenure did not exist.                                                                                     
MS. GARDNER  described the changes  under the bill as  being two-                                                               
fold.    First,  if  the  current tenured  teachers  had  had  an                                                               
additional  two year  review, they  may not  have earned  tenure.                                                               
Second,  as the  MSBSD faces  deficits,  the MSBSD  would have  a                                                               
larger  number  of  non-tenured   staff,  which  would  give  the                                                               
district  greater flexibility  in terms  of layoffs.   Currently,                                                               
the MSBSD cannot  issue notices of non-retention  "pink slips" to                                                               
tenured  teachers.    However,   if  the  number  of  non-tenured                                                               
teachers   increased,  it   would   give   the  MSBSD   increased                                                               
flexibility and help  to ensure the district  could "live within"                                                               
its means.                                                                                                                      
8:58:30 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked for the number  of tenured teachers                                                               
who were dismissed for any of the three aforementioned reasons.                                                                 
MS.  GARDNER  answered there  have  been  less than  10  teachers                                                               
dismissed in the 8 years she has been at the MSBSD.                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked how  many teachers the MSBSD employs                                                               
who are not offered tenure in their fourth year of teaching.                                                                    
MS. GARDNER  answered that approximately  15-20 teachers  are not                                                               
offered tenure  each year.   In further  response to  a question,                                                               
Ms.  Gardner  answered  that this  number  represents  about  one                                                               
percent of the MSBSD's teachers.                                                                                                
8:59:21 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  understood  about   one  percent  of  the                                                               
teachers are  not offered tenure.   She asked for an  estimate of                                                               
the number  of teachers that  might be offered tenure  [under the                                                               
MS. GARDNER  calculated that the 15  teachers annually represents                                                               
about 1 percent  of the teaching core, but about  6-10 percent of                                                               
the  non-tenured  teaching staff.    The  district currently  has                                                               
about  1,200  teachers of  which  about  200-300 are  non-tenured                                                               
teachers.   She  estimated  that  under the  bill,  it bring  the                                                               
number  of teachers  not offered  tenure to  2-5 percent,  but it                                                               
might  also  increase  the  number   of  layoffs  that  could  be                                                               
initiated.   She concluded  that it is  difficult to  predict the                                                               
overall effect of the bill.                                                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  offered her belief  that the bill  may not                                                               
result in better  teachers for the students in  the classroom but                                                               
it might result in more of an economic question.                                                                                
DEENA  PARAMO,  Ed.D, Superintendent,  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough                                                               
School  District  (MSBSD),  said she  has  previously  supervised                                                               
teachers on  a day-to-day basis  and conducted evaluations.   One                                                               
thing that  complicates teacher evaluations is  that new teachers                                                               
often move  to different [schools  within the district]  or teach                                                               
different  classes.   Certainly, she  agreed teacher  performance                                                               
and evaluations  are important.   Naturally, the  school district                                                               
cares about what  teacher performance in the  classroom and wants                                                               
better teachers  since better teachers  result in  better schools                                                               
with better  results.  However,  flux exists since  teachers move                                                               
between  schools, administrators  frequently change,  which makes                                                               
teacher evaluations  more difficult.   Consequently,  three years                                                               
prior to  tenure isn't enough  time to allow teachers  to improve                                                               
or  to  demonstrate  consistent  effectiveness.    In  fact,  she                                                               
doesn't  want  to observe  "spurts  of  excellent teaching"  that                                                               
correspond to times  when she is in the classroom.   Instead, she                                                               
wants  to observe  consistent effectiveness  over time,  when she                                                               
evaluates teachers.   She reported  that the MSBSD  publishes its                                                               
data before  the assembly.   She said,  "We're not afraid  of the                                                               
data.   We look at  the data.   We want  our teachers to  know we                                                               
want effective teachers, but sometimes  the way the system is set                                                               
up, by  law, we  can't do our  jobs effectively.   And so,  it is                                                               
about  flexibility, to  be able  to  pick the  best teachers  for                                                               
9:03:49 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  said  it  seems as  though  not  offering                                                               
teacher tenure  in years  four and five  might mean  the district                                                               
will  retain  ineffective  teachers  in  the  classroom  for  the                                                               
additional  probation time.   Although  it sounds  as though  the                                                               
MSBSD currently requires more supervision  in the classroom, this                                                               
hasn't  been the  case  statewide.   He  wanted  to  be sure  the                                                               
committee considers any potential downside to the bill.                                                                         
DR. PARAMO acknowledged the point as  being an excellent one.  In                                                               
actual practice,  teachers are more  likely to receive  tenure in                                                               
three years  and subsequently, the districts  cannot remove them.                                                               
The process  to remove tenured  teachers is difficult,  she said.                                                               
Thus,  the  effect  of  tenure   means  school  districts  retain                                                               
teachers longer than they ever  intended.  She offered her belief                                                               
that  more ineffective  teachers are  retained under  the current                                                               
teacher tenure  provisions.   It's even  more likely  Bush school                                                               
districts  will be  "stuck  with someone"  who  should have  been                                                               
dismissed since  travel for rural  administrators is  limited and                                                               
expensive,  often requiring  plane flights.   In  conclusion, she                                                               
guaranteed  that  most  of  the  complaints  about  poor  teacher                                                               
performance  stems   from  fellow  teachers  and   not  from  the                                                               
9:06:56 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  admitted she  is even more  confused after                                                               
hearing  this testimony.   On  the one  hand she  heard the  bill                                                               
would be  better for  teachers because  if school  districts have                                                               
doubts  about   teachers,  the   non-tenured  teachers   are  not                                                               
retained.  On  the other hand she heard the  bill would be better                                                               
for students  since school districts have  hired some ineffective                                                               
teachers after the three year  probationary period.  She wondered                                                               
whether some school districts  that retained ineffective teachers                                                               
have  done so  because they  don't  have the  "moxie" to  dismiss                                                               
them.   She had  difficulty understanding  why a  school district                                                               
would give  any teacher tenure  after three years if  the teacher                                                               
has shown signs of incompetence.                                                                                                
9:08:09 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  GARDNER offered  to  clarify  the circumstances  surrounding                                                               
teacher tenure.   First, she offered her belief  that three years                                                               
is not a very long review period  and while she did not find five                                                               
years to  be the "[be  all] end  all" that extending  the teacher                                                               
evaluation  by  two years  would  provide  school districts  with                                                               
additional  information  to base  their  decision  on whether  to                                                               
retain a teacher.   In instances in which a  teacher shows growth                                                               
or  improvement,  the  school  district  will  likely  grant  the                                                               
teacher tenure  after three years,  anticipating the  growth will                                                               
continue.     However,   if   the   anticipated  growth   doesn't                                                               
materialize  or continue  after the  fourth year  and tenure  has                                                               
been met, virtually  nothing can be done to  dismiss the teacher.                                                               
She  predicted   the  aforementioned  teacher,  once   tenure  is                                                               
achieved, will stay  in the district for a  considerable time, if                                                               
not  the rest  of  their  career.   Granted,  these teachers  may                                                               
perform at a minimum level;  however these teachers really aren't                                                               
providing  the best  teaching,  nor are  they  performing at  the                                                               
level  the school  district would  like to  see.   Unfortunately,                                                               
growth  and  competence  are  elusive   traits  to  prove.    She                                                               
questioned the  three year  threshold that must  be met  as being                                                               
inadequate in  her view.   Granted, any teacher who  is obviously                                                               
not effective in the first three  years will have been dealt with                                                               
early   on;   however,   it  is   teachers   exhibiting   "waxing                                                               
performance" that  cause problems.   Hence, having  an additional                                                               
two years to  review teacher performance would  give the district                                                               
more  time  to  evaluate  consistency in  the  teacher's  overall                                                               
growth and performance.  In  response to a question, she answered                                                               
that  the  MSBSD  has  54  lead  principals  and  some  assistant                                                               
9:10:24 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON acknowledged it takes  time to evaluate                                                               
teacher performance.  Additionally, it  takes a good principal to                                                               
ensure an effective, fair evaluation.   Further, she acknowledged                                                               
it's difficult to  give a bad evaluation and is  much simpler and                                                               
easier  to look  at the  positive  aspects of  the teacher  being                                                               
evaluated.    She commended  the  BOE's  efforts to  improve  the                                                               
evaluation  process.   While  each  school  district may  have  a                                                               
different   valuation   process,   it  is   the   also   school's                                                               
responsibility to  help teachers  improve their  performance even                                                               
though it isn't  a simple process.  She  expressed strong support                                                               
for the bill.  Further, she noted  the sponsor of HB 162 has been                                                               
a teacher  so she  better understands the  process.   She offered                                                               
her belief this  bill will help schools gain  better teachers and                                                               
better outcomes for students.                                                                                                   
9:13:40 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE T.  WILSON clarified  that the  teacher evaluation                                                               
includes standardized  test scores,  although the scores  may lag                                                               
up to  a year.   She agreed  with earlier testimony  that teacher                                                               
classrooms may  change or teachers may  transfer between schools,                                                               
which  can compound  what  the teacher  can  accomplish [and  the                                                               
evaluation process].   She concluded that this bill  is not about                                                               
keeping  ineffective teachers  longer,  but  will allow  teachers                                                               
more time to prove themselves.                                                                                                  
9:15:47 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND recalled  the  comment  that the  fellow                                                               
teachers are the  ones who most often are  aware of effectiveness                                                               
in  other teachers'  classrooms.   She  asked  whether the  MSBSD                                                               
currently has a mentoring program in place.                                                                                     
DR. PARAMO described the extensive  mentorship that exists in the                                                               
MSBSD  and  also participates  in  the  statewide mentorship  the                                                               
legislature sponsors.   Additionally,  the UA received  a federal                                                               
[RTTA] grant, which  will span five years.  She  pointed out some                                                               
administrator limitations.  Some  principals may briefly visit 75                                                               
classrooms in a  school building.  However it is  the teachers in                                                               
the adjacent  classrooms who have  daily access.   These teachers                                                               
may  observe  rowdy  behavior  or   may  observe  some  classroom                                                               
instruction,  which  is the  reason  that  other teachers  notice                                                               
teacher imperfections.  She concluded  that raising the standards                                                               
can help  and teachers  holding each  other accountable  can also                                                               
help since administrators can't be everywhere.                                                                                  
9:18:10 AM                                                                                                                    
TAMMY  SMITH, Director,  Fairbanks  Education Association  (FEA),                                                               
spoke in  opposition to HB  162.   She said she  represents 1,000                                                               
teachers  in Fairbanks.    First, teacher  tenure  does not  give                                                               
teachers the right to work  forever, but allows teachers to teach                                                               
without fear  of unjust attacks.   Second, teacher  tenure allows                                                               
teachers  to  be removed  if  they  don't meet  the  professional                                                               
standards set  out.  Third,  administrators should  be observing,                                                               
documenting, and  helping teachers develop.   This process should                                                               
allow  teachers to  improve or  be removed  if they  still cannot                                                               
meet  professional  standards.     In  fact,  some  teachers  are                                                               
dismissed, but it isn't necessarily  publicized.  She was glad to                                                               
hear that  principals have  been in  classrooms to  help teachers                                                               
develop  their  professionalism.   Finally,  processes  exist  to                                                               
remove ineffective teachers, she said.                                                                                          
MS. SMITH  commended the school system  in Alaska.    She offered                                                               
her  belief that  the state  has  worked to  improve the  teacher                                                               
evaluation system.   She  questioned increasing  the probationary                                                               
time  to qualify  for  tenure  to five  years,  since it  doesn't                                                               
necessarily  promote quality  teachers.   Instead, she  found the                                                               
bill to  be a  disincentive for  hiring new  teachers, especially                                                               
given shortages  of special education,  science, and  math (STEM)                                                               
teachers.    Mentoring  programs  are developing  and  support  a                                                               
strong teaching profession in the  state.  She questioned whether                                                               
school  districts   would  be  doing   their  jobs   by  allowing                                                               
ineffective  teachers to  remain in  a classroom  for up  to five                                                               
years [under the  bill].  She concurred  that administrators need                                                               
to ensure  that tenured teachers  are using current  lesson plans                                                               
and the latest technology.                                                                                                      
9:23:03 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  specifically on  what  grounds  a                                                               
tenured teacher should be dismissed.                                                                                            
MS. SMITH  responded that it's  difficult to identify  a specific                                                               
reason since there are a  variety of reasons to dismiss teachers,                                                               
especially  if  they  are  not  using  appropriate  instructional                                                               
practices or do not meet the standards and regulations.                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  how  many  tenured  teachers  have  been                                                               
dismissed during the  time she has served as the  director of the                                                               
MS. SMITH  declined to provide  a specific number, but  said that                                                               
in the past  two years "some" teachers have been  dismissed.  She                                                               
stated  some  new  teachers  have  expressed  concern  about  the                                                               
effective date of the bill and how the bill will affect them.                                                                   
9:25:41 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  to   confirm  that  some  tenured                                                               
teachers have been fired.                                                                                                       
MS. SMITH cautiously  agreed that between 1 and  10 teachers have                                                               
been dismissed.                                                                                                                 
9:26:41 AM                                                                                                                    
JOE  BOYLE,  Region  VII  Director,  Matanuska-Susitna  Education                                                               
Association  (MSEA), described  what  a teacher  can expect  when                                                               
working  in  Alaska.   He  read  from  a prepared  statement,  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
     Good  morning.    My  name  is  Joe  Boyle.    I'm  the                                                                    
     President  of  the   Mat-Su  Education  Association,  a                                                                    
     classroom teacher for almost  30 years, and I'm opposed                                                                    
     to HB 162.                                                                                                                 
     On  average  more  than 1,100  teachers  are  hired  in                                                                    
     Alaska every  year, 70 percent  of them from  the Lower                                                                    
     48.  If  HB 162 passes, then before  those new teachers                                                                    
     make the long  and expensive trip up  here, they should                                                                    
     be told of the Alaska three-strike rule for teachers:                                                                      
     Strike One:  There is  no defined benefit pension.  You                                                                    
     will not  earn Social Security benefits.   The benefits                                                                    
     you earned  in the Lower  48 will be reduced  each year                                                                    
     you work  in Alaska.   If you  are lucky and  the stock                                                                    
     market is  kind, you may  have enough money for  a very                                                                    
     modest retirement  after 40 years  or more, as  long as                                                                    
     you are 65 and Medicaid is still available.                                                                                
     Strike Two:   You can expect your  salary and benefits,                                                                    
     in real, inflation-corrected dollars,  to decrease on a                                                                    
     regular basis.   Twenty years  ago a  beginning teacher                                                                    
     in  the Mat-Su  Borough  School  District earned  about                                                                    
     $3,000 more  than you  will.  He  or she  also received                                                                    
     100 percent  paid health insurance, and  after 20 years                                                                    
     could retire at a modest 40  percent of his or her last                                                                    
     Strike  Three:   For  five years,  you'll  have no  job                                                                    
     protection.   If  an administrator  needs to  make room                                                                    
     for a  friend or  family member, you're  gone.   If you                                                                    
     ask  too  many questions  at  a  staff meeting,  you're                                                                    
     done.   If  you don't  donate to  the right  charity or                                                                    
     "volunteer" for enough extra duty work, see you later.                                                                     
     Without tenure,  a teacher can be  non-retained for any                                                                    
     reason deemed adequate.  That's  the law.  No questions                                                                    
     asked.   Tenure  for public  school teachers  is not  a                                                                    
     lifetime  job guarantee.   It  only grants  a teacher's                                                                    
     due process rights.  If  an administrator wants to fire                                                                    
     me, all  he or  she has  to prove  is that  I am  a bad                                                                    
     teacher or  a bad  person.   If an  administrator can't                                                                    
     recognize a  bad teacher or  a bad person in  the three                                                                    
     years it  takes to earn  tenure now, or prove  it after                                                                    
     the teacher earns tenure, then  it's not tenure problem                                                                    
     or a teacher problem you have.  It's something else.                                                                       
     Thank you for taking my testimony.                                                                                         
9:28:44 AM                                                                                                                    
ANDY HOLLEMAN, President,  Anchorage Education Association (AEA),                                                               
stated he  represents approximately 3,500  certificated teachers.                                                               
He said,  "I appreciate the opportunity  to sort of give  you the                                                               
view from  the other end of  the telescope on this  whole issue."                                                               
First,  comparing  K-12 tenure  to  university  tenure is  simply                                                               
inappropriate since  the protections and the  job description are                                                               
not  the same.    He characterized  the  difference between  K-12                                                               
teacher tenure and university tenure  as "two different animals."                                                               
He suggested it would be  helpful to rebrand K-12 teacher tenure.                                                               
Non-tenured   simply  means   these  teachers   are  probationary                                                               
employees.  He  offered his belief that a  probationary status of                                                               
three years is  a long time.  Non-tenured teachers  can simply be                                                               
told they will not be retained  for the following year.  The idea                                                               
that any  non-tenured teacher  would be  shifted out  of position                                                               
and be replaced with a  not highly-qualified teacher is not true.                                                               
It would not be allowed.   A tenured teacher conceivably could be                                                               
dismissed  while a  non-tenured teacher  with a  highly-qualified                                                               
status for  the position  would stay  in place.   He  related the                                                               
evaluation  process,  such that  teachers  can  be subject  to  a                                                               
focused evaluation  every year.   He said  the standard  used for                                                               
teachers who are  not considered proficient is  that the teachers                                                               
can be  placed on  a pathway  for termination.   In fact,  he has                                                               
frequently seen  this happen in  Anchorage.  He's seen  it happen                                                               
in  buildings where  he has  worked, as  a board  member, and  as                                                               
President of the AEA.  He  clarified he is not referring to gross                                                               
incompetence  or people  committing crimes,  but teachers  simply                                                               
not performing up to the standards in the classroom.                                                                            
MR. HOLLEMAN described the remedial  process for a teacher, under                                                               
a  competent principal,  which  is  to place  the  teacher on  an                                                               
improvement  plan.     If  the  teacher   does  not  subsequently                                                               
demonstrate he/she  is meeting the  standard, the teacher  can be                                                               
terminated.   Typically, the school district  will offer teachers                                                               
facing termination an opportunity to  resign.  He emphasized that                                                               
this is not a trivial process.   While he did not wish to suggest                                                               
that  school  districts have  an  easy  time terminating  tenured                                                               
teachers, it  is not as  onerous as  represented here today.   He                                                               
offered  his  belief   that  this  bill  would   be  punitive  to                                                               
employees.   Currently, increased  scrutiny happens in  the third                                                               
year since principals recognize this  as the final opportunity to                                                               
decide  to   fire  someone   without  necessitating   a  detailed                                                               
evaluation.    He  characterized the  three-year  evaluation  for                                                               
tenure as  fair and one  in which an administrator  considers the                                                               
arc the  teacher has been  on.   However, if the  teacher obtains                                                               
tenure and his/her  performance does not meet  the standards that                                                               
a  principal expects,  then the  teacher can  be terminated.   He                                                               
urged  members   to  consider  this   bill  from   an  employee's                                                               
standpoint  and  to consider  what  being  a non-tenured  teacher                                                               
means.    Granted,  some  teachers  move around  so  much  it  is                                                               
difficult for a principal to  adequately evaluate them.  However,                                                               
such practices  may be unfair  to the  teacher and may  suggest a                                                               
more  stable employment  is needed.   Naturally,  such situations                                                               
are not  likely good for  the students  either.  He  concluded by                                                               
stating that AEA  opposes HB 162 since the AEA  views the bill as                                                               
punitive  and he  does not  see an  "upside" for  employees.   He                                                               
hoped members will vote it down.                                                                                                
9:33:32 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND asked  how  many  tenured teachers  have                                                               
been dismissed in the Anchorage area in the last five years.                                                                    
MR. HOLLEMAN said  that as previously mentioned,  teachers can be                                                               
offered  an  opportunity  to  resign.   While  the  departure  is                                                               
clearly  a  termination,  due  to  the  resignation,  it  can  be                                                               
difficult to  assess the definitive  number of terminations.   He                                                               
acknowledged   that   in   terms  of   gross   negligence,   some                                                               
terminations  have   happened.     He  estimated  at   least  one                                                               
termination  happens  per year  with  two  to three  terminations                                                               
occurring in some years.                                                                                                        
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND asked  whether  these  figures refer  to                                                               
tenured teachers who are terminated.                                                                                            
MR. HOLLEMAN answered that is correct.                                                                                          
9:34:58 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON recalled from  his teaching experience that                                                               
some tenured  teachers do get to  a point of "marking  time."  He                                                               
recalled that  one consideration  has been  to reopen  the tenure                                                               
process every five  years to ensure that  teachers are responding                                                               
effectively to evaluations.   He asked for the  AEA's position on                                                               
reviewing teacher tenure every five years.                                                                                      
MR.  HOLLEMAN answered  that he  viewed reviewing  teacher tenure                                                               
every  five   years  as  a  gift   to  underperforming  teachers.                                                               
Currently, principals  can notify  tenured teachers  the district                                                               
has concerns  place the teachers under  evaluation processes that                                                               
involve interactions  between the principals and  the teachers on                                                               
lesson  plans and  direct  observations in  the  classroom.   The                                                               
principals can  document specifically the standards  that are not                                                               
being met.   Subsequently, the  principals allow the  teachers an                                                               
opportunity to  demonstrate that  they are meeting  the standards                                                               
or additional  training or course  work has been taken  to remedy                                                               
any shortcomings.   If these teachers are not able  to do so, the                                                               
teachers  can  be  terminated  at  the  end  of  the  year.    He                                                               
emphasized  underperforming teachers  should  not  be allowed  to                                                               
wait  five  years.    Instead,   the  principals  should  address                                                               
underperformers in the current year.   He offered his belief that                                                               
there is strong  support among the teachers  to usher ineffective                                                               
teachers out  of the  school districts.   He suggested  that some                                                               
life experiences  can affect teacher  performances at  some point                                                               
in  a 25-30  year career.   Unfortunately,  the school  districts                                                               
don't have a means to  sideline teachers who are experiencing any                                                               
major  life crisis,  such  as  divorces or  deaths.   After  all,                                                               
teachers  can't  just say  they  need  a  couple of  months  off.                                                               
Overall, he  agreed there  isn't any excuse  for teachers  to not                                                               
perform  their jobs  over  the  course of  a  year.   Instead  of                                                               
opening up teacher tenure every  five years, principals could opt                                                               
to conduct "focused evaluations" in any year.                                                                                   
9:38:42 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  asked for  written documentation  on the                                                               
percentage of tenured  teachers over the last ten  years who have                                                               
been  fired.   She clarified  she is  not interested  in specific                                                               
names,  but  just a  generic  accounting.    She surmised  it  is                                                               
probably less  than one percent  of the teachers.   She suggested                                                               
any instances  in which teachers  were allowed to resign  also be                                                               
MR.  HOLLEMAN   responded  that  the  list   of  resignations  he                                                               
previously  referred  to was  taken  from  his experiences.    In                                                               
instances in  which school districts  would offer  an opportunity                                                               
for teachers to resign, the  resignations would be categorized as                                                               
resignations  and  not  terminations.   He  acknowledged  he  has                                                               
previously tried  to quantify  terminations of  tenured teachers,                                                               
but  was not  able to  do so.   However,  certainly teachers  are                                                               
terminated for low  performance.  During the  three year "weeding                                                               
out  period," he  estimated the  number of  teachers is  likely a                                                               
steady figure ranging from 20-30  teachers not retained per year.                                                               
Again,  he indicated  he did  not believe  he could  document the                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  maintained her  request.   She expressed                                                               
an  interest   in  obtaining  "hard   data"  and   not  anecdotal                                                               
information.  She  offered her belief this  information should be                                                               
public information.   Granted, many  people in her  district love                                                               
the  schools; however,  some teachers  are not  meeting standards                                                               
and her constituents keep asking  her how low-performing teachers                                                               
can be  terminated  She suggested  that "weeding out" a  few more                                                               
teachers would  elevate the overall  system.  Naturally,  this is                                                               
not about pay  and benefits, but is about  meeting standards, she                                                               
CHAIR GATTIS stated Representative  Reinbold could share the data                                                               
with the committee.                                                                                                             
9:42:35 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  related a  scenario  in  which a  teacher                                                               
resigns instead  of being fired.   She asked whether  the teacher                                                               
could change districts without the  incoming community being made                                                               
aware of the problems the teacher encountered.                                                                                  
MR. HOLLEMAN said in the ASD a  box is on the form that indicates                                                               
whether someone is eligible to be  rehired.  He suggested that if                                                               
human  resources  had  fired someone  due  to  incompetence,  the                                                               
school  district would  check the  box.   He understood  that the                                                               
personnel office could not provide  confidential details, but the                                                               
box being  checked would certainly  be a red  flag.  At  the same                                                               
time,  he stated  that he  has seen  teachers resign  because the                                                               
position  was not  a  good fit  for them.    In those  instances,                                                               
teachers  may  move  to  different schools  or  might  leave  the                                                               
district.     Certainly,  he  supported  the   changes  in  those                                                               
instances.   A variety  of positions  exist yet  there is  a wide                                                               
range of  skills is necessary so  a teacher might not  do well in                                                               
one position, but could perform well in another position.                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX said  theoretically the  resignation could                                                               
be  part  of  a  settlement   agreement  and  a  means  to  avoid                                                               
litigation.  She surmised that the  box might not get checked and                                                               
the teacher might move to  another school district without anyone                                                               
knowing that the teacher resigned under pressure.                                                                               
MR. HOLLEMAN agreed it is possible.   While he has not personally                                                               
observed any cases  close to litigation; he  has experienced some                                                               
egregious  cases, in  which a  teacher has  been arrested  or did                                                               
something  outrageous.   Certainly,  those  teachers are  removed                                                               
quickly and decisively  and actions are also  taken against their                                                               
teaching certificates.   He agreed  these decisions  are judgment                                                               
calls made by the human resources  department.  By all means, the                                                               
school district feels a responsibility  not to recommend teachers                                                               
who  are not  up to  the  task.   However, sometimes  personality                                                               
conflicts  arise and  the teacher  moving on  doesn't necessarily                                                               
need to  be branded.   Again, school  districts need  to consider                                                               
cases  individually; however,  the idea  that some  districts are                                                               
paying people to  leave rather than go through  the process "kind                                                               
of boggles"  him.  He said  he would consider that  personally to                                                               
be a misuse of public funds,  although he has not seen this occur                                                               
in Anchorage.                                                                                                                   
9:47:20 AM                                                                                                                    
LADAWN  DRUCE, President,  Kenai Peninsula  Education Association                                                               
(KPEA),  spoke in  opposition  to  HB 162.    She  said the  KPEA                                                               
represents 670  certificated staff on  the Kenai Peninsula.   She                                                               
paraphrased  from  a  prepared statement,  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
     I agree with the bill's  sponsor that we need to ensure                                                                    
     our most  effective teachers  remain in  our classrooms                                                                    
     to  provide   the  best  possible  education   for  our                                                                    
     Having  said  this, I  would  like  to read  the  state                                                                    
     statute  which addresses  non-retention [AS]  14.20.175                                                                    
     "A  teacher  who  has not  acquired  tenure  rights  is                                                                    
     subject to non-retention for  the school year following                                                                    
     the expiration of the teacher's  contract for any cause                                                                    
     that the employer determines to be adequate."                                                                              
     Funding  issues  aside  the   statute  allows  for  the                                                                    
     dismissal of  a teacher even  if they are doing  a good                                                                    
     job.  It is  very subjective.  Teachers are  often non-                                                                    
     retained  simply because  they were  not "a  good fit."                                                                    
     They  may have  been  good teachers  and had  excellent                                                                    
     evaluations, but were still non-retained.                                                                                  
     When you combine this bill  with no defined benefits in                                                                    
     retirement for Tier III teachers  and 5 years of no job                                                                    
     security we will not be  able to attract and retain the                                                                    
     best and brightest to Alaska.                                                                                              
     Principals  doing their  jobs,  the district  following                                                                    
     the   process  and   appropriately  mentoring   new  or                                                                    
     struggling  teachers, ensures  high performing  quality                                                                    
     teachers in  every classroom. This  does take  time and                                                                    
     I have  been President  for five  years and  the Rights                                                                    
     Chair for twelve years. There  has not been a year that                                                                    
     our district has not asked  a tenured teacher to resign                                                                    
     in lieu of  non-retention and in some  years there have                                                                    
     been  several for  failure to  successfully complete  a                                                                    
     plan  for improvement.  No,  I do  not  know the  exact                                                                    
     numbers  to date.  To  address Representative  LeDoux's                                                                    
     question  earlier, it  is  my  understanding that  many                                                                    
     districts on  their application ask the  question, "Did                                                                    
     you  resign in  lieu  of being  non-retained?"   It  is                                                                    
     simply  untrue that  you cannot  remove an  ineffective                                                                    
     teacher. Tenure is not lifetime job security.                                                                              
     I  am  one of  nine  members  selected by  Commissioner                                                                    
     Hanley to  serve on the Advisory  Committee for Teacher                                                                    
     Evaluation.  This   committee  will  be   advising  the                                                                    
     department  on the  appropriate  implementation of  the                                                                    
     new  regulations. At  our  first  meeting earlier  this                                                                    
     month we  looked at the Measures  of Effective Teaching                                                                    
     study. The study  concludes that multiple observations,                                                                    
     multiple observers,  and student  surveys are  the best                                                                    
     measures of effective teachers.                                                                                            
MS.  DRUCE agreed  that  the  best teachers  need  to  be in  the                                                               
classrooms,  but she  did not  agree that  adding two  additional                                                               
years to obtain teacher tenure is the answer.                                                                                   
9:51:09 AM                                                                                                                    
DAVE  JONES, Assistant  Superintendent,  Kenai Peninsula  Borough                                                               
School District (KPBSD), spoke in support  of HB 162.  He offered                                                               
to  be brief  since many  points have  been covered.   First,  in                                                               
terms of budget reductions, many  of the district's cuts are made                                                               
from the  non-tenured teaching staff.   The change from  three to                                                               
five years to  reach tenure will mean the  non-tenured pool would                                                               
also  be increased.   In  doing so,  it will  allow the  KPBSD to                                                               
select better staff  to serve students - with  the right teachers                                                               
in the  right places.   Second, increasing the  probationary time                                                               
frame from three to five years  for teacher tenure would give the                                                               
school  district a  longer  period  of time  to  work to  improve                                                               
teacher  performance.    Actually,   the  KPBSD  has  experienced                                                               
challenges when  some teachers  approach the  end of  their three                                                               
year  period, prior  to obtaining  tenure.   While some  of these                                                               
teachers  have improved  and shown  promise, the  school district                                                               
knows that  once the teacher  receives tenure, they  will receive                                                               
additional  protections.     Thus,   the  school   district  must                                                               
carefully  view  this final  window.    Due to  the  restrictions                                                               
imposed by  tenure, it is more  likely the KPBSD will  not retain                                                               
some teachers.   One  reason the  KPBSD also  supports increasing                                                               
the probationary  period for teachers  to five years is  to allow                                                               
teachers  who have  demonstrated signs  of effective  teaching to                                                               
continue to teach.                                                                                                              
9:54:01 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  expressed   concern  about  delaying  any                                                               
decision to dismiss a teacher  beyond the three-year probationary                                                               
period.   He contemplated  that a  two-year extension  time seems                                                               
excessive, but one  year seems more plausible.   He asked whether                                                               
reviewing tenure every five years  should also be considered.  He                                                               
further  asked whether  one additional  year  of probation  would                                                               
MR. JONES  said he  preferred to have  the two-year  timeframe to                                                               
further evaluate  teachers prior  to them  receiving tenure.   In                                                               
terms of revisiting tenured teachers  every five years, the KPBSD                                                               
would be  interesting in  doing so, particularly  if it  gave the                                                               
school district another tool to address non-effective teaching.                                                                 
9:56:48 AM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  NEES  stated there  is  a  difference between  tenure  for                                                               
university professors and tenure for  public school teachers.  He                                                               
offered a brief history of  tenure, which was to protect academic                                                               
freedom  so  a  university  couldn't terminate  a  professor  for                                                               
speaking his/her  opinion.   However, tenure  came to  the public                                                               
education  system  and  in  his experience  one  of  the  biggest                                                               
problems he  recalled was  teacher turnover  in his  school since                                                               
the school district would not give  teachers tenure at the end of                                                               
three years.   In fact, this was since it  was less expensive for                                                               
them to hire new teachers.  Keep  in mind, the intent of the bill                                                               
is to  have better teachers  teaching students and to  retain the                                                               
best  ones.   One way  to do  so is  to make  tenure optional  by                                                               
removing "shall" and instead using  the language "may".  In doing                                                               
so,  teacher tenure  could be  offered to  excellent teachers  as                                                               
early as three years and as late as five.                                                                                       
MR. NEES also  suggested that a committee  should select teachers                                                               
for  tenure rather  than a  principal.   When  a principal  makes                                                               
these decisions, they lack input from  the rest of the staff.  In                                                               
fact, the university  system uses a similar  process.  Typically,                                                               
a committee grants  tenure, but the professor knows  he/she is on                                                               
a tenure track  with the ability to attain tenure.   He supported                                                               
the teacher tenure process being  closer to the college standard,                                                               
especially  since  teacher  tenure   is  not  guaranteed  at  the                                                               
university level.   In doing so, this will meet  the goals of the                                                               
bill since school districts could  retain the best teachers in as                                                               
early as  three years, but  teachers will know within  five years                                                               
whether they  attain tenure.   On the whole, it  should alleviate                                                               
the  basic problem  of  teacher tenure,  which  is that  teachers                                                               
automatically  receive tenure  on  the first  day  of the  fourth                                                               
year.   Thus  removing  the "shall",  "acquires", and  "receives"                                                               
makes  it  optional.    The   aforementioned  language  makes  it                                                               
difficult for  school districts [to make  beneficial decisions on                                                               
staff]  since  they  are  required   to  offer  teachers  tenure.                                                               
Instead, by incorporating  the changes, the bill  could be viewed                                                               
as an opportunity  for school districts to promote  teachers.  In                                                               
closing,  he offered  his belief  that teacher  tenure should  be                                                               
difficult to attain and be a reward for excellent performance.                                                                  
10:01:05 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  GATTIS, after  first  determining no  one  else wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 162.                                                                                     
10:01:15 AM                                                                                                                   
[HB 162 was held over.]                                                                                                         
10:01:40 AM                                                                                                                   
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:01 a.m.                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 HB 162 Bill Text.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
02 HB 162 Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
03 HB 162 Fiscal Note EED-TLS-3-14-13.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
04 HB 162 Support Doc - The Next American 10-23-2012.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
05 HB 162 Support Doc-Pro & Con ProCon.org-updated 02-05-2013.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
06 HB 162 Support Doc-Teacher Tenure ProCon.org-Updated 02-05-2013.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
07 HB 162 Support Doc-Teaching Quality Teacher Tenure 09-2011.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
08 HB 162 Support Doc-Time Mag. Artical Nov. 2008.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/27/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 162
01 HB 151 Sponsor Statement v. A.pdf HEDC 3/15/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/18/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/20/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
02 HB 151 v. A Bill Text.pdf HEDC 3/15/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/18/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/20/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
03 HB 151 Sectional v. A.pdf HEDC 3/15/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/18/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/20/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
04 HB 151 Fiscal Note v. A - EED-TLS-3-8-13.pdf HEDC 3/15/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/18/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/20/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
05 CS HB 151 ver. O.PDF HEDC 3/15/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/18/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/20/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
06 HB 151 Information Packet.pdf HEDC 3/15/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/18/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/20/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
07 CSHB 151 Fiscal Note - EED-TLS-3-14-13.pdf HEDC 3/18/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/20/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
08 HB 151 Letter Support - Alaska Policy Forum.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151
09 HB 151 Letter Support - Von Imhof ASD.pdf HEDC 3/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/25/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 151