Legislature(2007 - 2008)
03/24/2008 04:36 PM Senate RES
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SB 303-SANITATION AND WATER GRANTS
4:36:35 PM
CHAIR HUGGINS announced SB 303 to be up for consideration.
GINGER BLAISDELL, staff to Senator Green, explained SB 303 for
the sponsor, Senator Gary Stevens. She said it changes the
population requirements for the different match rates for
municipalities as they are reimbursed money from the state for
doing water and sewer projects. She said the top three
municipalities - Anchorage, Juneau and Fairbanks - have a
population of 30,000 or higher; eight cities have a population
of 5,000 to 30,000; and every other city in the state is below
5,000. Changing the lower end of the population criteria for
receiving a 50/50 state match from a population of 5,000 to
10,000 will allow eight communities to finance water and sewer
projects.
4:39:45 PM
MS. BLAISDELL said she asked Legislative Legal Services if any
other programs would be impacted by changing the population
criteria and they couldn't find any. She also asked the
Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) staff if they
would need any regulation or statutory change to accommodate the
change. The only thing they came up with is that different
cities would be allowed different match rates, but it would not
change their program overall. DEC also provided a list of 2007 -
09 water and sewer projects to show how much money the state is
spending on them. She pointed out that not being able to do
these projects is also a deterrent to economic growth for the
state.
4:40:12 PM
SENATOR GREEN said the main change is that the participation
rate for some municipalities would drop from 50/50 to 70/30
percent with the state paying 70 percent.
CHAIR HUGGINS asked if Ms. Blaisdell found any aberrations of
demographic changes they should be aware of.
MS. BLAISDELL replied that no communities were shrinking in
size. She explained that these criteria were established in 1994
and the 5,000 cutoff seemed to meet most of the smaller cities.
As the medium-sized cities in Alaska have grown, it's more
difficult for them to afford the water and sewer infrastructure.
Once a population of 20,000 to 25,000 is reached, people can
afford to be taxed for these projects.
CHAIR HUGGINS asked where the cutoff by community is for 70
percent state participation.
MS. BLAISDELL answered currently the cutoff is between Homer and
Valdez. Right now Homer would be paying a 50/50 match. If the
population range was changed to 10,000 the cutoff would be
between Sitka and Fairbanks resulting in the eight cities
between Sitka and Homer having a 70/30 match rather than a
50/50.
4:43:10 PM
CHAIR HUGGINS asked what happens to an organization like Delta
Junction that bounces bounce up and down on each side of the
minimum number (1,000).
MS. BLAISDELL replied someone from DEC could better answer that.
4:43:54 PM
KATHY WASSERMAN, Alaska Municipal League (AML), said a couple of
communities are on the cusp of being over 5,000 and eligible for
the 70/30 match - Valdez, Unalaska and Barrow. She said the AML
supported SB 303.
4:46:04 PM
SENATOR WAGONER said the Kenai Peninsula Borough is a second
class borough, but it does have home rule and first class
cities. Some areas in the borough have already received water
and sewer grants and he asked how that would be handled.
MS. WASSERMAN answered that the borough would be eligible for
the 50/50 amount and the cities within the borough would fall
under the amount of the grant that pertained to its population
as well - unless the borough could somehow exclude the cities.
Bethel, Kodiak, Wasilla, North Slope Borough and Northwest
Arctic Boroughs would be included. They are municipalities even
though they are unorganized.
MS. WASSERMAN said the borough would be eligible for the 50/50
match.
BILL GRIFFITH, Facilities Programs Manager, Division of Water,
Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC), explained that
normally local municipalities such as cities would all come in
for grant requests on their own because they qualify for the
least possible match requirement. In other words, communities of
less than 1,000 request a grant on their own rather than coming
in through the borough because they will be able to qualify for
a lesser percentage local match requirement. He generally
doesn't see requests from boroughs for water and sewer grants
because for the most part they don't own and operate those
systems; they are owned by the local municipalities.
4:48:40 PM
SENATOR WAGONER asked how Nikolai got a grant.
4:49:32 PM
MR. GRIFFITH answered that Nikolai was eligible to receive money
as an unincorporated community through the Village Safe Water
Program, which does not require a local match. In cases like
that, some entity has to agree to own and operate that system;
in the case of Nikolai that was the local homeowner's
association.
SENATOR WAGONER asked if Port Graham or Nanavalik applied for a
grant through Village Safe Water, would one of the tribal
councils be able to operate and maintain it.
MR. GRIFFITH replied yes; if there is no municipal government, a
tribal council can own and operate water and sewer facilities.
4:51:08 PM
SENATOR STEVENS said this list didn't have any boroughs on it
and asked if they wouldn't have access to these grants.
MR. GRIFFITH answered he didn't think about boroughs when he saw
the bill, but he would check to see what it does for boroughs.
His division was looking at the eight cities and hadn't gotten
into water and sewer grants for boroughs. He doesn't receive
grant requests from them even though they may be eligible to
apply.
4:52:14 PM
SENATOR WAGONER said they should check that out. Where he comes
from, counties operate as many municipal water systems as cities
do. If Sterling gets a bigger population, it could generate a
request for a water and sewer system; it is unincorporated and
could do it through the borough.
SENATOR STEVENS said he didn't think many boroughs have that
power under their charter.
4:53:30 PM
SENATOR WAGONER said the Kenai Peninsula Borough is a second
class borough and it doesn't have that power in its charter, but
the people could vote to give to provide it. Service districts
could also be formed.
4:53:55 PM
JOHN STEIN, Interim Administrator for James Didley, City and
Borough of Sitka, said he is also representing Mayor Dapcevich.
He said the DEC grants have been used by the City and Borough of
Sitka, a unified municipality, on a number of occasions. He said
they supported SB 303. He said these are great programs and have
a long term benefit to communities and impact health issues.
4:55:45 PM
BILL ALLEN, City of Palmer, said SB 303 is an extremely
important piece of legislation for Palmer, a community of over
5,000 people, because it would change its local contribution of
50 percent down to 30. He said that Palmer has a growing
population, however he sometimes feel like they are being
penalized because of their successful economic development plan.
As the population increased, their local contribution increased
by 20 percent. In addition to the growing population, he said,
Palmer is getting in-migration from rural communities, because
people have no jobs and heating fuel costs $6-$7 there. That
adds to the cost of the infrastructure as well.
4:58:56 PM
MR. ALLEN explained that Palmer has a very extensive water and
sewer system, but it is made of thin-walled steel water pipes
that are failing. Some are 50 years old; they have a 30 percent
water leakage rate. Palmer has 1,700 rate payers and asking them
to approve bonds for a water and sewer project, especially at 50
percent local contribution, is a stretch.
He also said that Palmer is 5 square miles and it is running out
of room; so they are under considerable annexation at this
point. People who are getting annexed ask what they get by
joining their city and he wants to say they will be provided a
clean and safe water and sewer system. Palmer also has to come
into compliance with the EPA's discharge rules, which it
currently can't meet. The price tag for that is about $50
million. This is a desperately needed economic development and
public health issue.
5:01:24 PM
SENATOR STEVENS said this measure would save citizens of Palmer
over $2 million.
SENATOR WAGONER asked what the charge for water and sewer is in
Palmer.
MR. ALLEN replied $53/mo including $17 for garbage pick up.
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked what the cost would be if they had to
pay the $2 million.
MR. ALLEN didn't know. If that were the only cost they had to be
concerned about, he wouldn't be that worried. They have to do
something about the leakage rate.
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said his water and sewer bill in Anchorage
is $66/mo without garbage pickup.
5:03:13 PM
MAYOR JOHN COMBS, City of Palmer, supported Mr. Allen's comments
except he clarified that the increase is not 20 percent, but
more like 67 percent. Palmer doesn't have a large enough rate
payer base to sustain the 50/50 match. These eight cities have
outgrown the statute and they will continue to grow.
5:06:50 PM
DON (WALLY) BAIRD, City of Bethel, supported SB 303. He said
while Bethel has the Village Safe Water Program available to it,
significant costs are "looming" before it for a waste water
treatment facility that is needed since the landfill closed. It
also has to contend with the fact that only about a third of the
population is served by piped water. To expand piped water to
more of the city, an estimated $26 million, they would have to
use this program, because a match of 50 percent is "completely
out of the realm of possibilities." He said piped water and
sewer costs residents pay about $98/mo; a haul system costs
$230/mo for 1,000 gallons.
5:08:56 PM
WAYNE OGLE, Director, Public Works, City of Bethel, supported SB
303. He supported the statement that the 50 percent match would
be hard for Bethel residents to deal with.
5:10:02 PM
CHAIR HUGGINS asked Mr. Griffith who determines the population
of an area.
MR. GRIFFITH replied that that number comes from the annual
number developed by the Department of Commerce, Community &
Economic Development (DCCED).
5:11:49 PM
MS. BLAISDELL added that SB 303is not retroactive and doesn't
change or correct funding for FY'07 and '08 projects.
SENATOR GREEN moved to report SB 303 from committee with
individual recommendations and attached fiscal note(s). There
were no objections and it was so ordered. There being no further
business to come before the committee, Chair Huggins adjourned
the meeting at 5:12:55 PM.
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