Legislature(2011 - 2012)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
02/16/2012 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE
| Audio | Topic |
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| Start | |
| SB125 | |
| SB149 | |
| SB175 | |
| SB25 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
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| *+ | SB 125 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | SB 149 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SB 175 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SB 25 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SB 174 | TELECONFERENCED | |
SB 25-AIDEA SUSTAINABLE ENERGY PROGRAM
2:29:44 PM
CHAIR EGAN announced SB 25 to be up for consideration [SSSB 25,
labeled 27-LS0290\D was before the committee].
SENATOR MCGUIRE, sponsor of SB 25, said they initially
envisioned this as being part of their Senate's energy package
that it passed; it's a missing link.
She said they created the wildly successful weatherization and
home energy rebate program that focuses on individual Alaskans
and their residences; the feedback has been wonderful from
Alaskans who have become educated about energy conservation.
They have also created a renewable energy grant fund that
started helping particularly smaller communities transition to
cleaner sustainable energy that is non-diesel and hopefully will
help them survive into the next 100 or 200 years. They also
passed an energy omnibus bill that created an emerging energy
technology fund and a suite of programs that are now really
starting to take effect.
When they went over the energy package, she came at it from a
few angles: direct grants as in the emerging energy technology
fund, direct partnerships as in the weatherization program, and
a loan component with commercial loans in other areas. But SB 25
is really the missing piece in order to get more energy
infrastructure and projects going in the state.
SENATOR MCGUIRE said they had also rejuvenated the Cook Inlet
with new tax incentives and started work on an in-state gas
pipeline and the Susitna dam. But Alaskans know the energy
challenges are still as dire as ever and this year the average
price of oil is the highest it has been since 1860. While the
state enjoys its surpluses, Alaskans continue to be strangled by
these energy costs.
She said she introduced SB 25 because she believes they have an
opportunity to put some of the state's savings to work in Alaska
by making capital available for energy projects. Today utilities
and developers borrow money from out of state when they can get
the credit to build projects and they must pay interest to
investors which everyone ultimately pays in their rates. Then
they leave Alaska. SB 25 is not just about getting more energy
projects in Alaska, but it's also about getting Alaskans to
invest in Alaska. Currently those loan interest payments are
paid to out of state corporations, but why not leave them here
at home inside AIDEA which pays back dividends to the state that
go into the general fund?
SENATOR MCGUIRE said the state invests its surpluses and savings
in stocks, bonds, real estate and infrastructure outside of the
state in the Permanent Fund. Alaska is a big facilitator of a
lot of energy projects throughout the U.S. and the world, but
not right here in our own state. She noted that Territorial
Governor Ernest Gruening recognized this fundamental problem
with Alaska's economy when he said, "Too much is going out and
not enough is staying here in Alaska."
She said she introduced SB 25, Alaska's Sustainable Strategy for
Energy Transmission and Supply (ASSETS), to try to chip away at
this colonial model Alaska is still stuck in 52 years after
statehood. She said to her AIDEA has been the most successful of
all the state's investment programs. It has returned almost the
entire principle of $390 million. Last year alone it returned
almost $28 million. So she decided to put this energy program to
work under that rubric as opposed to AEA or some other agency,
because it has a credit worthy sustainable model.
2:35:04 PM
MICHAEL PAWLOWSKI, staff to Senator McGuire, said he would hit
the highlights of his power point presentation on SB 25 that was
also available in members' packets. He said the reports they
gave the committee are largely energy reports that identify a
lot of projects, but this bill does not endorse any particular
project. It is about how to finance all and any projects and to
let the best ones move forward.
He said the basic challenge is that a lot of money will have to
be spent in the next 10 years on energy in the state of Alaska.
The pathway document was prepared in 2010 and identified almost
$2 billion in capital spending in the next 10 years. The Greater
Railbelt Integrated Resource Plan (GRETC) identified between
$13.6 and $21 billion in spending over the term of that
document. The recently released Southeast Integrated Resource
Plan identified up to $1.4 billion in relative near term
spending that has to happen. The point of these reports is to
point out that a lot of investment will need to be made in
energy infrastructure, and the question before the legislature
is whether, given declining oil production, the available
revenue is enough to help these projects go forward.
MR. PAWLOWSKI said this became a larger issue because last year
this body included language in the capital budget that
explicitly expressed legislative intent that the state's capital
investment in energy generation projects not exceed 50 percent
of the total investment required to fully complete those
projects. That means 50 percent of the project will have to be
borrowed and financing has been identified as one of the
greatest challenges facing the energy system in the state.
There is a huge gap between what is needed and what can be
financed, the point being that with the small population and
with a limited rate base, the capital expenditures will exceed
the Railbelt's debt capacity. Financing is an important part of
the revenue stream in any energy project. For instance, the debt
service on a 100 percent debt financed Southeast hydro-project
is 78.1 percent of the revenues. All the rates the consumers pay
go to paying debt service and that money leaves the state.
ASSETS says this is a big problem and the legislature has said
tackle it and provide an upper limit on grants and go forward.
MR. PAWLOWSKI said the governor and the legislature tried to
deal with this a few times but were unsuccessful in a couple of
bills. SB 143 tried to get the Railbelt together and offer some
financing, but failed to pass in 2009/2010. The governor then
brought in SB 42 last year that had increased financing
authorities for AEA, but those were taken out in the Senate
Resources Committee and the bill ultimately passed the
legislature but was limited to a Susitna dam power project. SB
25 was introduced at the same time SB 42 was but was deferred
until SB 42 worked its way through the legislature.
Now that the financing gap still exists, he said a sponsor
substitute for SB 25 was introduced and brought forward. The
back three sections are probably the most important - 10, 11 and
12 - but the earlier sections are a lot of conforming language.
First, Mr. Pawlowski said, SB 25 creates the Sustainable Energy
Transmission and Supply Development Program and Fund (SETS)
within the Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority
(AIDEA) (Sections 10 and 11). The bill proposes that the SETS
fund be capitalized with $250 million (in section 2). This
becomes the core capital that becomes the money that AIDEA can
borrow against or lend out to energy projects. Then the larger
portion of the bill in section 3 is conforming language adding
the word "energy" into AIDEA's enabling statutes about their
mission to clarify that the legislature is asking AIDEA to take
an active role in energy as an economic development tool.
Section 6 makes changes to the loan participation program and
this section is intended to make sure that sections 10 and 11
don't unfairly compete with the private sector. AIDEA currently
offers a program where commercial lending institutions work with
the private sector but AIDEA comes behind them to participate in
the loans. The purpose of broadening "transmission" to "an
energy project" is to make sure if someone did want to work with
a commercial lending institution to develop a project that it's
not unfairly being competed with by the SETS program.
2:41:00 PM
MR. PAWLOWSKI said another important point within that section
is the inclusion of AIDEA's ability to participate in a loan
participation program to finance energy efficiency improvements.
Typically, AIDEA can buy up to 90 percent of a loan and section
6 proposes up to 100 percent for an energy efficiency project.
That is to try and get out of the problem the legislature has
poked at for three years: primarily that we have weatherization
for homes, the energy efficiency revolving loan fund for public
facilities, but we have very little for the commercial sector.
So if a local business wants to make their business more energy
efficient they could work with their local banks and AIDEA could
step in to help the banks reduce the risk of that loan.
2:41:48 PM
Finally renewable energy projects were added to the existing
incentive interest rate program that AIDEA has for its programs
that apply only to economic or rural development projects in
section 9.
MR. PAWLOWSKI said important powers were added in section 10, on
page 8, lines 3-28. Unlike AIDEA's existing program, the
separate fund has the power to finance projects, ensure project
obligation, guarantee loans or bonds or establish reserves, but
also to defer principal payments or capitalize interest on
project financing to finance projects of a term up to 30 or 50
years for hydroelectric or transmission. AIDEA can currently do
50 years on transmission, but hydro projects are long term
projects with long term payouts, and the longer you can stretch
the term out the better rates the customers ultimately will pay.
Senator McGuire wanted to be sure there was an appropriate
legislative role in the decisions to finance projects, so
limitations were placed on the power of AIDEA to engage in these
projects. If AIDEA wants to finance more than one-third of the
capital cost of an energy project or guarantee a loan that
exceeds $20 million that would have to come back to for
legislative approval. The $20 million is a number that exists in
current AIDEA programs; the one-third number is really because
50 percent would be 50 percent grant/50 percent loans and the
point was to insure that there was some other financing involved
in the decision process. So another third party group is doing
some due diligence here.
2:43:43 PM
MR. PAWLOWSKI reiterated that the reason the bill was put into
AIDEA was that unlike typical revolving loan funds, in theory,
the bill should actually generate revenues for the state as
AIDEA's earnings increase. That would return money to the
treasury that the legislature could decide to fund other
programs with. Since it has been capitalized, AIDEA has paid
$324,500,000 in dividends and in 2011 it was almost $20 million.
MR. PAWLOWSKI explained how SETS would work within AIDEA. First
the legislature would capitalize the SETS fund; AIDEA would use
the SETS fund to facilitate the financing of energy projects;
those projects through the rates would repay the loans or the
investments from AIDEA; AIDEA would then have the ability to
also reach out to the capital markets to backfill the fund by
using the loans as an asset. It's really setting up an
investment vehicle that can perpetuate itself and grow, so that
20 or 30 years from now the funding will exist to build the
infrastructure to replace the infrastructure built with this
fund.
He said it's important to note that SB 25 is not the answer to
Alaska's energy challenges. There will always be a role for the
legislature simply because of the small population, but it does
provide a tool that is missing from all the work the legislature
has done.
SENATOR DAVIS moved to the adopt CS, version D [SSSB 25, 27-
LS0290\D].
CHAIR EGAN objected for discussion.
2:46:11 PM
JOE GRIFFITH, General Manager, Matanuska Electric Association
(MEA) and President of Arctec Alaska, Inc., Palmer, said they
supported SB 25. He said Mr. Pawlowski was right on point and
this is a step that will contribute to a more sustainable energy
future for the state. He said the energy industry is the world's
biggest industry and the most capital intensive. In spite of a
lot of heroic efforts by a small number of people that run this
industry in the state, they do achieve high levels of
reliability, but the system is old and needs a lot of "tender
loving care." It never was completed properly because of the
lack of capital. It is only through astute balancing of the
costs of doing business that they are able to keep working as
well as they do. Electrical energy is the grease for the
economy, and SB 25 would help the state leverage several billion
dollars. The numbers are staggering, and utilities working
together do not have the fiscal strength to do what is
necessary.
2:48:49 PM
BOB GRIMM, CEO, Alaska Power and Telephone (AP&T), Port
Townsend, WA, said SB 25 is a good tool to assist getting the
stranded energy resources of Alaska to market and put them to
work for Alaskans. He asked that consideration be given to the
projects in the rural areas and wanted the amount to capitalize
the fund increased from what is being proposed. Further he
advised the sponsor to investigate the program to ensure the
AIDEA can cooperate with other federal loan guarantee programs
like the BIA to reduce the state's risk.
2:49:57 PM
MARK DAVIS, Economic Development Officer, AIDEA, supported SB 25
but said the administration has no position on it. It's much
better than the earlier draft, because it creates a new
financing program. That is important to ADIEA, because the new
program would separate these potential loans from the current
revolving loan fund and preserve its current financial ratings.
A technical issue is that the interest rate on a loan is not set
and there is no explicit authority to make a loan; neither is
there explicit authority to issue a bond and there is no
reference to revenue bonds. So a little more work needs to be
done to make it better.
SENATOR GIESSEL asked if he will be offering those amendments or
working with the sponsor.
MR. DAVIS replied that he has been authorized to make technical
assistance, but the administration has no position on this
measure.
2:51:11 PM
DUFF MITCHEL, Executive Director, Alaska Independent Power
Producers Association, supported SB 25. He added that this
allows private entrepreneurs to create jobs and a lot of them
would occur where the energy is created, which would be in a
rural area.
2:52:21 PM
PETER NAOROZ, President/General Manager, Kootznoowoo, Inc.,
supported SB 25. However, he said he wanted to see the initial
capitalization number higher. But for now $250 million can go a
long way. The point is to leverage state assets not only to do
good work but to bring private capital into the state, because
it can't fund everything it needs itself. He said Kootznoowoo is
the village corporation for Angoon and the recipient of the
state's largesse, and they really appreciate that, but big
projects in their area need to get done. Those are the ones that
will finally make the state mature. SB 25 will allow for
Kootznoowoo to invest in the state, as well as mining interests
in projects that aren't feasible right now and timber.
2:54:27 PM
BOB LOESHER, Alaska Technology Development Group, said he has
been involved in infrastructure development in Southeastern
Alaska for many years. He supported SB 25. He served on the
AIDEA board for six years and is familiar with the protocols and
even-handedness of investment decisions AIDEA makes. Adding this
fund would stimulate investment in energy and other economic
development that will create jobs. Adding this to ADIEA would
also strength its portfolio and make investment from the Alaska
participation greater; it is the best instrument to facilitate
this kind of investment.
CHAIR EGAN said that completed public testimony. [SB 25 was held
in committee.]
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| Sponsor Statement Senate Bill 25 Feb 2012.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| Sectional Analysis SB 25 version D.PDF |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| 101909_Draft_E_policies.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| 2010EnergyPathway8-12Press.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| 12-23-2011_Vol1_SoutheastAlaskaIRP.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| 2011AIDEAAnnualReport.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| RIRP Executive Summary.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| SB 25 Power Point Presentation S L&C.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 25 |
| SB 174 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 174 |
| SB174 Sectional Analysis.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 174 |
| SB 174 Excerpt Report McDowell.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 174 |
| SB 174 Excerpt DOL Report.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 174 |
| SB174-DOLWD-CO-2-13-12.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 174 |
| SB 174 Legal Opinion 090211.pdf |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 174 |
| SB 175 list of medications, CW Jasper 021612.PDF |
SL&C 2/16/2012 1:30:00 PM |
SB 175 |