Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 106

03/06/2008 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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*+ HB 332 PRE-ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PROGRAMS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HB 384 ELECTRONIC EDUCATION RECORDS/STUDENT PLAN TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB 384-ELECTRONIC EDUCATION RECORDS/STUDENT PLAN                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:21:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  384,  "An   Act  requiring  the  Department  of                                                               
Education  and  Early  Development  to  establish  an  electronic                                                               
education  records  system  and standards  and  requiring  school                                                               
districts to establish and  maintain electronic education records                                                               
systems; requiring learning plans  for students; establishing the                                                               
Merit  Scholarship Task  Force;  and providing  for an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:22:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER informed  the  committee that  HB 384  has                                                               
three requirements:  that the EED  sets standards  for electronic                                                               
education records  [(EDRs)]; that  the education  records include                                                               
learning  plans that  are implemented  and  maintained by  school                                                               
districts;  and  the  establishment  of  a  task  force  to  make                                                               
recommendations  on  a  merit  based  scholarship  program.    He                                                               
explained that the EED will  set software and technical standards                                                               
for the electronic  education records and define  the process for                                                               
making changes to  records by parents or students.   In addition,                                                               
the bill requires that education  records are the property of the                                                               
student and parents  as defined by the  Federal Education Records                                                               
Protection  Act  (FERPA).   Representative  Keller  continued  to                                                               
explain that the  electronic records must be a  secure system and                                                               
include the student learning plan.   The customized learning plan                                                               
will  allow for  prescriptive  and diagnostic  teaching, set  out                                                               
levels of  achievement, and  contain achievement  records similar                                                               
to a  portfolio of student  work.  He  stressed that the  bill is                                                               
intentionally  not specific  and depends  on the  school district                                                               
and the EED to define the  particulars of what is required from a                                                               
learning  plan,  and  to provide  the  accompanying  professional                                                               
development training.  Lastly, the  bill establishes a task force                                                               
that  will  "set the  bar"  for  student achievement  and  create                                                               
options for  a merit based  program.  Representative  Keller then                                                               
described scholarship programs  in other states.   He pointed out                                                               
that many  school districts are  creating electronic  records and                                                               
the bill will establish statewide  standards and a structure.  In                                                               
fact, the  National Conference of  State Legislatures  has passed                                                               
policy that  encourages advances  in technology to  customize and                                                               
monitor  each child's  educational  experience.   He referred  to                                                               
further  research  on  this  topic   that  was  provided  in  the                                                               
committee packet.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:30:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked whether the educational  records are required                                                               
to be  uniform throughout the  state.  She further  asked whether                                                               
school districts,  with this  system already  in place,  would be                                                               
required to conform.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:31:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER   stressed  that   this  bill   is  needed                                                               
immediately  so  that   new  systems  will  be   developed  in  a                                                               
compatible and consistent way.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:32:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  observed that  No Child  Left Behind  (NCLB) allows                                                               
for annual testing.   She asked for a further  description of the                                                               
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:33:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DICK   LUTHER,   Legislative  Liaison,   Commissioner's   Office,                                                               
Department  of  Education  and Early  Development,  informed  the                                                               
committee that there  are two components to the  fiscal note; the                                                               
task  force and  the electronic  recordkeeping.   The task  force                                                               
portion is  estimated to be  $15,000.  The  recordkeeping portion                                                               
is based on  the costs for compiling the  existing records system                                                               
and is estimated to be $1.5 million.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:35:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON asked  how  many schools  presently  have the  same                                                               
database.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:35:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LUTHER  answered  that  the   EED  presently  requires  each                                                               
district to have a system that  is compatible with the state. The                                                               
bill will require additions to the present recordkeeping system.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:36:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked  whether there will be federal  grant money to                                                               
fund the additional recordkeeping costs to schools.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:36:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LUTHER expressed  his understanding  that the  federal grant                                                               
money is  gone; in  fact, it  is likely that  the new  costs will                                                               
come  from  the  general  fund  (GF).    He  opined  that  school                                                               
districts will  expect state  funding to  pay for  the additional                                                               
recordkeeping.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:37:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  asked  whether   there  is  already  good                                                               
correspondence  between  schools  and   the  state,  and  whether                                                               
schools are using compatible software.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:37:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LUTHER  opined  that  some districts  will  have  to  expand                                                               
capacity  to   meet  the  requirements  of   electronic  records,                                                               
particularly with the increase of  information needed on students                                                               
under the merit scholarship program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:38:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER reminded that  committee that the bill does                                                               
not specify, except  that the merit scholarship  program will use                                                               
the electronic  educational record  system.   He asked  whether a                                                               
portion of  the $3.5  million grant was  used to  assign students                                                               
identification numbers and  create the beginning of  a data base,                                                               
at the direction of the legislature.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:39:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LUTHER expressed  his belief  that the  existing system  was                                                               
created  to comply  with the  requirements  of NCLB  legislation.                                                               
Adding  additional elements,  such  as  the individual  education                                                               
plan,  will  require  increasing  the capacity  of  the  computer                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  for an  estimate of  the cost,  per                                                               
child, to develop an individual  education plan (IEP) for special                                                               
education students.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:41:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LUTHER  advised that he  would get that information  from the                                                               
special education department.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:41:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON expressed his  concern that the fiscal note                                                               
does not  cover the time  needed for teachers  and administrators                                                               
to  prepare  individual  educational  plans.    Furthermore,  the                                                               
increase to the  base student allocation could be used  up by new                                                               
burdens to school districts.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:42:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LUTHER  confirmed that the  fiscal note does not  include the                                                               
cost that school districts would  bear to develop the educational                                                               
plans.  He said that he would  provide an estimate of the cost to                                                               
write one IEP.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:43:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  emphasized that HB 384  does not establish                                                               
an individual educational learning  plan comparable to those that                                                               
meet  special education  requirements.   Moreover, there  is room                                                               
for school districts to develop their own model.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:44:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES called the  committee's attention to page 3,                                                               
line 2, of the bill and  read, "A school district shall develop a                                                               
student  learning plan  for each  student enrolled  in a  school.                                                               
The  plan must  include:   diagnostic  assignments  and goals;  a                                                               
description of  optional supplemental or  tutorial recommendation                                                               
for implementation by  the parent or guardian of  the student for                                                               
advancement toward  high school  graduation."  He  then described                                                               
his  experience with  student identification  numbers that  began                                                               
with special  education students  and now includes  all students.                                                               
In Anchorage,  elementary school teachers are  using computers to                                                               
download state  assessment tests, track each  student's progress,                                                               
and craft lesson plans.   For a class of 27  to 32 students, this                                                               
level   of   individualization    is   impossible.   Furthermore,                                                               
implementation of the program, at  the elementary level only, has                                                               
taken seven years and cost $7 million dollars.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:48:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON added  that some  schools  have student  portfolios                                                               
that allow kids to know what work has yet to be learned.                                                                        
3:49:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  stated that the  intent of the bill  is to                                                               
establish a  statewide structure so if  students transfer between                                                               
the 53 school districts, their  educational history and plan will                                                               
transfer instantly.   He acknowledged  that the fiscal  note does                                                               
not include all  costs; however, by working  together, the school                                                               
districts, the EED, and the unions can keep costs down.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  further explained that the  language in the                                                               
bill  says "individual  instruction  plan."   There are  programs                                                               
available that allow for individual  instruction on a computer at                                                               
the high  school level.   These programs  require a  computer for                                                               
each  student.  In  addition, the  term  "individual  educational                                                               
plan" has  meaning in education  law.  Representative  Roses then                                                               
asked how  the scholarship program  in the bill differs  from the                                                               
existing University of Alaska (UA) Scholars program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:53:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER stated  that  the UA  Scholars program  is                                                               
limited.   He  opined that  the real  problem is  that the  state                                                               
educational model is out of  date.  One-third of Alaska's schools                                                               
have less  than 100  kids and the  placement of  highly qualified                                                               
teachers requires  a different model  today.    Likewise, putting                                                               
in  statute the  requirement of  an individual  educational plan,                                                               
without  details, will  lead teachers  and  schools districts  to                                                               
develop  a   new  model,  perhaps  using   correspondence  school                                                               
guidelines.   Representative   Keller   challenged   schools   to                                                               
customize learning for kids.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:56:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  expressed   his  concern  that  individual                                                               
education  plans are  often interpreted  by parents  in different                                                               
ways and can  lead to lawsuits and court-ordered  mediation.  For                                                               
example, special education  IEPs often end up in  court where the                                                               
court decides  the meaning  of a particular  IEP, no  matter what                                                               
has been defined  by the school district.   Representative Roses'                                                               
final  point  was  that  the UA  Scholars  program,  that  grants                                                               
scholarships to  those who are  in the  top ten percent  of their                                                               
high school  class, is a  four year, full tuition  scholarship to                                                               
any  UA campus.   He  opined  that this  is a  very flexible  and                                                               
successful program that may be expanded.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:58:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER noted  that on  page 2,  line 2,  the bill                                                               
allows  access to  the  educational plan  by  students and  their                                                               
parents  or legal  guardians.   He said  that he  felt this,  and                                                               
other  provisions   in  the  bill,   will  allow  a   process  of                                                               
corrections to  the plan that  will reduce parental  concerns and                                                               
confirm  goals  for  the  student.   Regarding  the  merit  based                                                               
scholarship, Representative Keller re-stated  that the task force                                                               
will be investigating options for Alaskan students.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:00:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA expressed  her belief  that an  electronic                                                               
report is a good  idea, but the time and cost  are high.  Similar                                                               
programs in other  states have had mixed success.   She suggested                                                               
that a  student learning plan could  also include a focus  on the                                                               
student's future career  potential, and could guide  a student to                                                               
their  strengths  as  they  are  revealed  during  the  years  of                                                               
schooling.  Representative Cissna pointed  out that the dates for                                                               
the  creation  of the  task  force  are confusing,  although  she                                                               
supported  the  idea  of  the   task  force  and  felt  that  its                                                               
responsibilities could  be expanded to work  on other educational                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:05:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER responded that the  time table for the task                                                               
force can  be adjusted.   He spoke  of his meeting  with national                                                               
education  officials and  the  beginning of  the  idea that  each                                                               
student should  have an  independent education plan.   Even  on a                                                               
national level, the process of  setting standards has just begun.                                                               
Alaska can keep  more local control by taking  these steps before                                                               
a federal  mandate is  issued. He  further explained  that future                                                               
software may be shareware; thus, there are many possibilities.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:08:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON observed that  there is individual tracking                                                               
of students,  and the growth  model of student  achievement, that                                                               
follows a  student throughout  the state.   He asked  whether the                                                               
only  piece  missing from  the  current  tracking system  is  the                                                               
individual education plan.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:09:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  stated that  he is  not familiar  with the                                                               
existing program; his goal is  to address the educational outcome                                                               
of  students.   He  concluded  that  the  EED plan  of  assigning                                                               
identification numbers  for the  purpose of  educational outcomes                                                               
needs  to  include  diagnosis,   prescription,  and  the  use  of                                                               
technology.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:11:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON reminded  the  committee  that the  Alaska                                                               
State Board  of Education and Early  Development adopts standards                                                               
and the  present tracking system  will reveal if kids  meet those                                                               
standards.  He  cautioned about the possibility  of the committee                                                               
making  changes  to  education standards.  Representative  Seaton                                                               
expressed  his satisfaction  that it  is now  possible to  follow                                                               
each student throughout the state,  so that relevant parties know                                                               
whether  a student  is meeting  their standards  for growth.   He                                                               
asked whether  parents of non  special educational  students will                                                               
expect individual  education plans  equal to  the scope  of those                                                               
written for special education students.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:13:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  answered that this  is not a  problem now;                                                               
IEPs are  very specific, and the  intent of the bill  is that the                                                               
district   will  keep   records  for   every  student,   but  not                                                               
necessarily an IEP.  The  current technology is available to make                                                               
improvements in education overall.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:16:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  stressed that  there  is  a problem  with                                                               
writing a  loose definition that  must be  settled in court.   He                                                               
strongly  recommended  that  the  bill would  be  improved  by  a                                                               
specific definition  that distinguishes the  educational learning                                                               
plan from a special education IEP.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:17:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  asked Mr.  Luther for  his position  on the                                                               
use of the language in this bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:18:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LUTHER opined  that  the bill  requires  that an  individual                                                               
learning plan will  be developed for each and every  student.  He                                                               
further  stated  that, once  a  plan  is  developed, it  must  be                                                               
followed, or there can be repercussions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:19:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  asked whether  Mr.  Luther  saw any  other                                                               
problems with the terminology in the bill.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:19:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LUTHER  stated that  the time  factor to  develop a  plan for                                                               
each student, including meeting  with parents to reach agreement,                                                               
is a  time consuming process.   He  assumed each plan  would also                                                               
need to be updated on a continual basis.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:20:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON suggested the need for year around school.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:20:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  re-stated his choice to  keep the language                                                               
loose so  that the  EED can  answer questions  through regulation                                                               
and keep the issue out of court.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:21:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON opined that the  courts look at the statute                                                               
that is written  by the legislature, not at  the EED regulations.                                                               
Regulations  that  are  not  as  broad as  the  statute  will  be                                                               
challenged.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:22:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON suggested  that there  should be  further testimony                                                               
from the EED on this topic.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LUTHER  offered  that   special  education  specialists  and                                                               
Director Les Morse may provide relevant testimony.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:23:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER noted that officials  from the EED have had                                                               
copies of the bill for two weeks.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:24:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON referred to the  task force and stated that                                                               
research  shows  that  a  merit   based  scholarship  program  is                                                               
targeted at upper and middle  income families; furthermore, there                                                               
is  already a  merit  based  scholarship program  in  place.   He                                                               
questioned the focus on another merit based program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:26:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  explained  that  HB 384  is  relevant  to                                                               
education outcomes  and the need  to raise the bar  for students.                                                               
He  listed statistics  of educational  indicators  in Alaska  and                                                               
stated the need for incentives to raise student achievement.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:28:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON stated that Alaska  spends more on education because                                                               
of the  high cost of  education in rural  areas.  She  stated her                                                               
support of the merit based scholarship program.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:29:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES emphasized  that  the  state currently  has                                                               
that program in place through  UA Scholars.  The scholarships are                                                               
available to  those in the top  ten percent of their  high school                                                               
senior class and  are for tuition.  He pointed  out that areas of                                                               
low economic status still have  ten percent of students that will                                                               
qualify.   He  stated  that  he also  felt  that  there would  be                                                               
confusion  with  the  National   Merit  Scholarship  Program  and                                                               
suggested  further consideration  of the  title.   Representative                                                               
Roses gave  an example to  illustrate that elimination of  the UA                                                               
program in  favor of the  program in HB  384 will stop  many kids                                                               
from qualifying for the scholarship.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:32:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON observed  that Wrangell  graduates about  30 to  40                                                               
kids and  the students are  aware of their academic  placement in                                                               
the class.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:33:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES warned  against the  creation of  a program                                                               
that will replace the existing  UA scholarship program.  He added                                                               
that  his  experience  is that  many  available  scholarships  go                                                               
unused  and  there is  a  need  to  develop a  clearinghouse  for                                                               
scholarships.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:35:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER surmised  that many  high school  students                                                               
feel  that graduating  from high  school is  a sufficiently  high                                                               
goal.   He expressed his  hope that today's technology  will keep                                                               
kids engaged more in learning.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:37:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  spoke of his  desire to explore  a variable                                                               
certificate of  graduation model.   This  would allow  schools to                                                               
issue different  type of diplomas  that represent  varying levels                                                               
of  scholastic  achievement.   He  observed,  however,  that  the                                                               
committee generally  does not  have time to  study issues  on the                                                               
substance of education.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER encouraged the committee  to send HB 384 to                                                               
the House Finance Committee so these issues can be addressed.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:39:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  reminded  the committee  that  the  House  Finance                                                               
Committee does not  make policy, and this is  the committee where                                                               
policy decisions should be made.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:40:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAKE  HAMBURG,  Student  Body  President,  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks (UAF), informed the committee  that many elementary and                                                               
middle school students  and their parents give up on  the idea of                                                               
college due to  the excessive costs.  As living  expenses and the                                                               
cost  of college  increases many  students must  work and  assume                                                               
loans;  in  fact,   many  students  work  full   time,  which  is                                                               
detrimental to  their academic achievements.   Mr.  Hamburg urged                                                               
the committee to support a  well researched and broadly supported                                                               
merit  aid scholarship  program, the  Alaska Achievers  Incentive                                                               
Program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:43:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANNY  RAY SWISHER,  Student Organizing  Director, University  of                                                               
Alaska Fairbanks (UAF), expressed his  pleasure that the scope of                                                               
the  bill  includes  a   systematic,  rather  than  programmatic,                                                               
approach.  However, his concern is  that the task force will only                                                               
be  investigating the  options for  merit based  scholarships and                                                               
will not consider  merit aid.  His research  indicates that other                                                               
states  have been  successful  in the  institution  of merit  aid                                                               
scholarships  that consider  the merits,  and the  needs, of  the                                                               
most worthy students.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:45:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  asked how  Mr. Swisher  was paying  for his                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:45:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWISHER stated that he is  currently working and is using the                                                               
GI bill; however,  he has decided to quit  school after obtaining                                                               
his associate degree.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  asked  what   percentage  of  his  college                                                               
expenses is being paid for by the GI bill.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:46:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWISHER  explained that the  GI bill  pays a set  amount; his                                                               
funding  sources are  not keeping  pace with  the rising  cost of                                                               
education at UAF.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:47:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked whether Mr. Swisher has a family.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:47:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWISHER said yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:47:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH   BLANCHARD,   Student  Government   Relations   Director,                                                               
University of Alaska  Fairbanks (UAF), opined that  there is more                                                               
of  a benefit  for students  entering and  continuing in  college                                                               
when  scholarships are  a partnership  of merit  and needs  based                                                               
components.    He  stated  that   needs  based  scholarships  are                                                               
financially   burdensome   for   the  state   and   merit   based                                                               
scholarships help those who have  other resources.  He noted that                                                               
student government  at UAF supports the  ideas of HB 384,  if not                                                               
all of the details.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:49:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  asked whether Mr. Blanchard  has an opinion                                                               
on the other components of the  bill, that are not related to the                                                               
scholarship task force.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:50:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BLANCHARD declined to give a further opinion of the bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:50:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES reminded  the  testifiers that  legislators                                                               
must look at all aspects of the bill.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:51:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL BJORK,  President, NEA-Alaska,  informed the  committee that                                                               
NEA-Alaska  represents  13,000  teachers  and  education  support                                                               
professionals  who  work  in  public  schools  in  Alaska.    His                                                               
organization  supports many  of  the  goals of  HB  384, and  the                                                               
statement that, "all students are  special."  However, he pointed                                                               
out that the fiscal note reflects  the fiscal impact of this bill                                                               
to the  EED, but does  not address  the cost to  the kindergarten                                                               
through  grade 12  public schools  that would  have to  implement                                                               
this plan.   Firstly,  the ability  to accomplish  the goal  of a                                                               
comprehensive data  management system, that allows  portfolios to                                                               
be  shared, is  far beyond  the capabilities  of existing  public                                                               
school  technology.   Secondly, the  first deadline  in the  bill                                                               
provides  for plans  to be  implemented, for  grades kindergarten                                                               
through  grade four,  in 2009.    Mr. Bjork  estimated that  this                                                               
would involve  writing plans for  49,000 students and  would take                                                               
about 35 full  time employees an entire school  year to complete.                                                               
He  agreed with  the need  to assess  each student  and instantly                                                               
transfer  data, but  cautioned that  this capability  can not  be                                                               
reached overnight.  Mr. Bjork  reminded the committee that in the                                                               
1970s,  when  the  Individuals with  Disabilities  Education  Act                                                               
became  law  and required  the  creation  of  IEPs, there  was  a                                                               
promise that the  federal government would pay 40  percent of the                                                               
cost.    In  reality,  federal  support  has  never  exceeded  17                                                               
percent.   He urged  the committee not  to burden  public schools                                                               
with  another unfunded  mandate that  is impossible  to meet  and                                                               
that will expose schools to litigation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:57:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER asked whether  Mr. Bjork anticipates that a                                                               
portion of  the increase in money  to schools will be  spent on a                                                               
system that will lead to  improvements in the transfer of student                                                               
records.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:58:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BJORK said no.  He explained  that the passage of HB 273 will                                                               
allocate money  back to regular  education students  from special                                                               
education  budgets.   In Alaska,  the impact  of intensive  needs                                                               
students  is centered  in the  metropolitan area  schools because                                                               
those  areas of  the state  have support  services available  for                                                               
special  needs kids.   After  those costs  are balanced  out, the                                                               
additional $100  per student mostly  will be taken  by inflation;                                                               
there will  not be  much left to  implement a  comprehensive data                                                               
management system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:00:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES noted that  NCLB mandates the institution of                                                               
policies and  procedures to deal  with deficiencies  in programs.                                                               
He  pointed   out  that  there   has  been  recent   funding  for                                                               
remediation,  and early  intervention for  reading programs,  and                                                               
reading scores  have been improving  over the last three  to five                                                               
years.  Representative Roses then remarked:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Are we having 100 percent success?   No.  Are we having                                                                    
     a better shot at it then we  did a few years ago?  Yes.                                                                    
     Can we do more?  Absolutely.   But does [HB 384] do it?                                                                    
     I don't think so.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:02:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BJORK pointed  out that  more students  are taking  advanced                                                               
placement  and  baccalaureate  classes   than  ever  before,  and                                                               
schools  are   working  diligently.     He  clarified   that  the                                                               
accomplishment of  the laudable goal of  HB 384 will take  a true                                                               
recognition of the cost of  personnel.  Mr. Bjork emphasized that                                                               
the  focus  should be  on  what  is  best for  Alaskan  students,                                                               
whether  they  are  striving  to  attend  college  or  not.    He                                                               
suggested  that  a scholarship  program  should  be flexible  and                                                               
should also  include funds for  students to attend  trade schools                                                               
to  train for  the highly  technical jobs  that are  available in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  said that public  testimony on HB 384  would remain                                                               
open.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES recommended  inviting two  expert witnesses                                                               
from  the  Anchorage  School  District to  testify  at  the  next                                                               
hearing on HB 384.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:05:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON requested additional testimony from the                                                                   
EED on the bill.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Although not formally stated, HB 384 was held over.]                                                                           

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