Legislature(2005 - 2006)BUTROVICH 205
04/25/2005 02:00 PM Senate HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES
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| HB16 | |
| HB156 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| + | HB 16 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | HB 156 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | HB 120 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | TELECONFERENCED |
CSHB 16(RLS)-SCHOOL FUNDS RELATED TO BOARDING SCHOOLS
CHAIR FRED DYSON announced CSHB 16(RLS) to be up for
consideration.
RYNNIEVA MOSS, legislative aide to Representative John Coghill,
sponsor, explained that HB 16 puts into statute the current
practice that is used by the Department of Education and Early
Development (DEED), but existing statute has a stipulation
saying in order for the state to pay a stipend for a grades 9-12
student in a boarding school environment, that student must not
have a school available to attend in his area. CSHB 16(RLS)
would offer students more choice in their education by providing
a per-student stipend that would help pay for room and board
costs and one round trip ticket between the student's community
and the boarding school through the year. It wouldn't pay 100
percent of the boarding costs, but about a third to 50 percent.
Nenana parents are required to pay $1,000 each year for their
child's schooling, but that fee could be waived if it proved to
be onerous. A hold-harmless provision also says if a student in
a school with an attendance of 10 decides to go to a boarding
school, that school would not lose its funding at the 10-student
level.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COGHILL, sponsor of HB 16, added that with
the stipend, there would still be district and parental input
depending on the district's policy and boarding schools allow
students to excel in academics and vocational tech areas. The
larger policy question is if the state should continue with
boarding schools and the House decided to address that with a
five-year report.
He didn't want to create a stipend that created a whole new
market. He supported educational alternatives in the state such
as schools within schools and charter schools. He explained that
most students in boarding schools are from rural areas and while
he is not interested in free rides, he wanted opportunities for
them to excel and they have proven that they are doing that.
2:11:49 PM
CHAIR DYSON asked if the state is currently paying stipends that
are comparable to the ones provided in this bill.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied yes.
CHAIR DYSON said that as he reads the bill, students from Galena
are currently receiving about $500 per month.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied that is correct.
CHAIR DYSON asked if the state has any limits on the number of
students for which it provides stipends.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied that there are no limits except
that the students must come from areas without their required
daily attendance and HB 16 is knocking that barrier down some.
2:15:19 PM
CHAIR DYSON asked how much more the state would spend on this
bill beyond what it currently spends on stipends and does it
have a different funding source.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL answered that the fiscal note shows a
cost of about $1.2 million dollars.
SENATOR ELTON asked if the selection process for the dormitory
program in Nenana is different from the one in Galena.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied that students have an application
process and agree to a certain level of study and conduct and
both Galena and Nenana have a waiting list.
2:17:13 PM
SENATOR OLSON asked if this bill has a work-study program
related to this so that students could defray some of their
education costs.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied that the Rasmussen Foundation
contributes some funds to the program and suggested to him that
the school in Nenana develop a business plan for additional
funding, which they have been working on. He thought the
developing a business plan would benefit all boarding schools.
2:19:13 PM
SENATOR WILKEN said he is concerned that while the sponsor's
intentions are good, the state would be cart-blanche funding
three schools without a statewide policy. He warned:
If we don't keep pressure on the administration and
the state school board to develop a plan, develop a
system of boarding schools, then we're doomed for
failure. I personally think, Mr. Chairman, that we are
going to be driven to boarding schools and the first
things we ought to do is quit calling them boarding
schools, because it conjures up the old Chemawa model
and the thought that kids leave home and go off to
some place and never come back - at least don't come
back until springtime - and that's not the case. We
have the opportunity with existing facilities around
the state - Kotzebue, Fairbanks, King Center in
Anchorage, Av Tech, King Salmon, Galena - we have the
opportunity with existing facilities - Nenana - to put
in something that may be best called a prep school.
2:23:00 PM
SENATOR WILKEN asked what it means that the 67 students at
Nenana don't have access to grades 9-12 in their local schools.
It seems that only six of them don't have access to a local
school. He asked how this list was compiled and why the students
on the list are said to not have had such an opportunity.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL explained that the confusion is perhaps
due to a poorly drafted sponsor statement. Many students in
Nenana do have access to a local education, but many of them
want to attend boarding schools out of social and academic
concerns. It has a very positive impact on their lives and he
would like the state to assist those students. He said this
bill would help the state establish a boarding school policy.
2:29:24 PM
SENATOR WILKEN commented that the fiscal note is based on a
capacity of 100 students in Galena and 96 in Nenana, but they
are not at that capacity today. He asked what the current head
counts are and if it's possible that they will expand in the
future.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL answered that there really isn't much
room for expansion for the Nenana students.
SENATOR WILKEN said that the fiscal note might be off by as much
as 40 percent and it should be adjusted.
2:32:30 PM
SENATOR WILKEN asked how districts would measure the
effectiveness of the district secondary school boarding programs
discussed on page 2, lines 21 - 23.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL answered that benchmark testing and high
school exit exams will be a major means of assessing progress
and he would continue to help districts work towards having a
business plan. He said that the principle measures would be
academic achievement and economic soundness.
2:35:36 PM
SENATOR WILKEN said he assumed the sponsor had talked to the
department to see if it could follow through on those issues.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL responded that he had and that the
department had helped craft the language.
SENATOR WILKEN asked if he would consider using benchmarks
rather than waiting for the five-year report on progress.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL answered that he was open to that.
2:38:07 PM
CHAIR DYSON asked if the state is currently paying a stipend for
children to go to boarding schools when there is a grades 9-12
school is available in their village.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied that it is not.
CHAIR DYSON questioned why only six students in Nenana were from
schools that didn't have grades 9-12.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL responded that is the case and that this
bill would allow children other than those without grades 9-12
in their local area to receive a state stipend for boarding
school expenses.
CHAIR DYSON commented that the state would go from providing
education where there is no option to subsidizing students who
choose a residential program.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL recognized that as being correct. He
added that he wanted to limit the subsidy, because the state
needs to establish policy.
2:41:04 PM
SENATOR ELTON asked if the stipend and travel cost
reimbursements are dependent upon the student being counted in a
district's average daily membership (ADM).
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied:
My immediate understanding is no; if they have been
counted in one school, then, if they move to Nenana
mid-year or after the count, then my understanding of
that is - and Eddy can maybe straighten me out - that
the Nenana boarding school just picks up the cost of
that and that would probably be no different than any
other school....
2:43:08 PM
SENATOR OLSON commented that he is a product of the boarding
school system and that the state really has only four years to
influence people. If it now waits four years to make a policy
call, many good students would be lost. The boarding school
student is someone with the ability and ambition to leave the
village and often because their parents placed a high value on
education. He said that consequently those students are some of
the best.
JIM SMITH, Superintendent Of Schools, Galena City School
District, supported CSHB 16(RLS). He related that the parent
program for this issue allowed children from the Interior the
opportunity to pursue vocational education options, but was very
difficult for them to travel to larger towns and have success
because their propensity was to be grounded in smaller
communities. In Galena, the School District felt that the unused
Air Force facilities could be used for students and that now
provides opportunity and safety for many of the best students in
rural areas.
ROB LINDQUIST, Nenana, testified that Nenana has struggled with
supporting its facility and expected to have 88 students
enrolled for the next year. He didn't see that number going up
in the foreseeable future unless it started using their four
handicapped-designed rooms. Currently there are 61 students. He
said HB 16 would allow the state to get ahead of the ball in
developing its boarding school policy by discovering what does
and what does not work ahead of time.
2:48:31 PM
CHAIR DYSON asked if a needs-based test were administered to
prevent stipends from going to students from relatively wealthy
homes, would many in his area be precluded from the stipends.
MR. LINDQUIST replied that the majority of students in his area
would fit into that category. This year they have already
instituted a $1,000 annual registration fee and the Rasmussen
Foundation was concerned, because only about 50 percent of their
kids actually pay that fee. The comment was made that they have
to pay for their food at home and they should be expected to pay
for it at school, but he has found in going through a waiver
process with their parents, that a lot of them don't pay for
housing or food at home. They either have public assistance or
subsistence. A small percentage of the parents in his area could
pay for such a service, but many could not.
2:50:58 PM
BRUCE JOHNSON, Alaska State School Board Association, said that
many rural high schools do not have the ability to meet the
needs of their students and this bill would assist children in
those areas.
CHAIR DYSON asked if the State School Board Association is in
favor of boarding schools in general as well as the stipends to
subsidize the students attending them.
MR. JOHNSON replied, "Yes, we believe that without that it's
going to be hard to sustain the boarding programs that are now
in operation, because of the high cost of the residential
piece."
CHAIR DYSON asked if the Board wants the state to pay the
stipend even when there is a 9-12 program in the village where
the student was attending school.
MR. JOHNSON answered that the Board did not distinguish between
those students who did not have a high school available and
those who just wanted to go there. The first part of its
resolution in favor of this issue supports expanding the
boarding home program to provide adequate funding for locally
controlled and operated regional boarding high schools
throughout the state.
2:53:44 PM
SENATOR OLSON said this program had been going on for seven
years and asked how many students had gone on to some kind of
formal higher education.
MR. JOHNSON replied that he didn't know.
SENATOR WILKEN asked:
Can I infer from your testimony that if we could get a
head of steam together to come up with a boarding
school policy, the Alaska Association of School Boards
would be there to help in that effort?
MR. JOHNSON replied:
Absolutely. We think that would be good public policy.
It's probably long overdue. It's much-talked-about, so
any assistance that we could lend, we would be more
than willing.
2:54:25 PM
EDDY JEANS, Director, School Finance, Department of Education
and Early Development (DEED), said that the State Board adopted
a resolution in support of the five-year pilot program currently
operating for boarding schools in Nenana, Kuskokwim and Galena.
He has also struggled with developing a statewide policy.
It's the old 'which comes first - the cart or the
horse?' Do we develop the policy and see if we get
funding or do we ask for some funding to support a
pilot program and develop policy based on information
we gathered from that?
With respect to an earlier question about funding through the
Foundation program, which is separate from the funding they are
talking about here. He explained:
This bill deals with the residential component to
house students in a residential facility. The
Foundation program - the funding goes to the district
where the kid is being served during the Foundation
count period. So, if the child is in Nenana, Nenana
generates the dollars. If the child is in Fairbanks or
Eagle River, they generate the dollars. After the
Foundation count is over, if a child moves between
communities, the money does not follow the child.
The one thing I wanted to make clear with the
residential component, under the current program for
those kids that do not have daily access, the stipend
is paid on a monthly basis. So, if for some reason the
child was in a correspondence program at home and then
started attending the residential program after the
count period, we'd pick up the monthly stipends from
that point forward. Or vice versa, if they are in the
program and they discontinue, the monthly stipend
stops from the point they leave to the end of the
school year.
2:56:58 PM
SENATOR ELTON said it's easy to see how that would work with the
home schooled child, but the rest of the question is the West
Valley student who is counted as a student there and then
transfers.
MR. JEANS explained that right now the West Valley child who
moves to Galena after the Foundation count isn't eligible for
the stipend because he has daily access to a secondary program
in his community. "It's those other students that have elected
to go to that program by choice that the department cannot
provide any financial support for the operations of the
residential component...."
CHAIR DYSON said, "But you would if this bill passed."
SENATOR ELTON said it seems like they are paying a school for a
student that isn't there and also paying a stipend for that same
student when he arrives at the new school.
MR. JEANS responded that the Foundation count period is done
statewide in the month of October. Students come and go after
that count period and the districts are not compensated for
that.
CHAIR DYSON remarked that lots of districts suffer inequities
because of in migration of students after the count period.
MR. JEANS admitted, "That very well could be true, Mr.
Chairman."
2:59:58 PM
SENATOR WILKEN asked him to explain how the amount of the
stipend is justified.
MR. JEANS replied that the department developed the monthly
stipends in 1990 based on a number of studies on food costs
established by a University of Alaska Extension Service survey,
housing cost updates from the Alaska Geographic Differential
Study in 1985 and other factors. The amount has been increased
on an annual basis according to the Anchorage CPI.
SENATOR WILKEN asked him who makes that decision.
MR. JEANS indicated the commissioner of the DEED.
SENATOR WILKEN asked if the commissioner has some discretion in
making that determination.
MR. JEANS replied that he does have such discretion.
3:03:54 PM
SENATOR ELTON asked why the stipend amount is not being put in
statute and if the legislature is able to prorate the funding
for it - instead of appropriating the full amount as it does
with other programs.
MR. JEANS answered that the current boarding home program has
been around for a long time and this bill attempts to provide
some state support for the boarding component of the program,
but not fully reimburse that cost. He reasoned:
Without trying to recreate the wheel, I said we have
this program on the books right now and it's on a
regional basis - we have five regions. I said you
could really kind of piggyback on that and that's why
we're here today with this concept. I think that if at
the end of the five-year pilot, the report that comes
back from the department will probably include some
statutory language. We would want it in statute at
that point what the policy is for these programs.
SENATOR ELTON asked since there have been several references to
the fiscal note, if a future legislature, given the current
language of the bill, would be able to under-fund the stipend
program or prorate it.
MR. JEANS answered said that the legislature has that ability.
SENATOR WILKEN asked Mr. Smith [Galena School District] what his
plans are because his capacity is 100 students and he now has
only 62.
MR. SMITH replied that he plans to enroll 100 students if he has
the support provided in this bill.
SENATOR WILKEN asked if he had a waiting list that long.
MR. SMITH replied yes.
CHAIR DYSON asked if he wouldn't be able to get up to 100
students enrolled without this bill.
MR. SMITH replied that he would probably enroll 85 because that
fits the school-side of the facility better.
SENATOR ELTON said that he had prepared an amendment on page 2,
line 10, to address the phrase "in which domiciliary services
are provided" which referenced a district rather than a school
and he asked the sponsor to consider it.
CHAIR DYSON encouraged everyone to look at the amendment and
held the bill for a future meeting.
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